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Is anyone else looking forward to the third x-men movie? Yes, I know they've fucked up the plot lines terribly, but they're damn good movies nonetheless.

If this isn't enough material for discussion, I'm adding the question: Who is your favourite X-Men?

I liked both movies, and I wanna see the third one.

Favorite X-Man? It's a tie between Gambit and Cyclops.

I liked both movies, and I wanna see the third one.

Favorite X-Man? It's a tie between Gambit and Cyclops.
I think you're the only person I've come accross who likes cyclops.

He always comes accross as a dick.

I think you're the only person I've come accross who likes cyclops.

He always comes accross as a dick.

Well, I like the comic/cartoon version of him a lot more than the movie version. I'll say that much!

Well, I like the comic/cartoon version of him a lot more than the movie version. I'll say that much!
I haven't had the opportunity to read the comics (my bf has been telling me he'll dig them up for me but hasn't got around to it) but he annoyed me in the cartoon too.

I haven't had the opportunity to read the comics (my bf has been telling me he'll dig them up for me but hasn't got around to it) but he annoyed me in the cartoon too.

Was it his voice? It was his voice, wasn't it...

I liked both movies, and I wanna see the third one.

Favorite X-Man? It's a tie between Gambit and Cyclops.

My favorites are Gambit and Psylocke. They better have Gambit!

I personally hope that they wait on the Phoenix arc; save it for the fourth movie (which they'll likely make). Maybe get a new bad guy in for the third one.

Was it his voice? It was his voice, wasn't it...
No, it was his attitude and mannerisms.

I didn't like Jean much from the cartoon either, she was pretty useless most of the time.

My favorites are Gambit and Psylocke. They better have Gambit!

I personally hope that they wait on the Phoenix arc; save it for the fourth movie (which they'll likely make). Maybe get a new bad guy in for the third one.
I heard rumours about Gambit being in it, but none recently. When the rumours about Gambit were floating about, it was rumoured that Johnny Depp would play him, a role I think he could pull off.

Kelsey Grammer is going to be the Beast and Juggernaut is going to be in it.

I don't think they're doing any Phoenix stuff at all yet.

I heard rumours about Gambit being in it, but none recently. When the rumours about Gambit were floating about, it was rumoured that Johnny Depp would play him, a role I think he could pull off.

Kelsey Grammer is going to be the Beast and Juggernaut is going to be in it.

I don't think they're doing any Phoenix stuff at all yet.

Johnny Depp would be perfect. I can't think of anyone better.

I did hear about Juggernaut, and I like the casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

I think it's better that they hold off on the Phoenix stuff for now. Let them use the next movie to help cover the X-Men dealing with Jean Grey's death. It would feel really rushed if they jumped right into the Phoenix stuff right away.

I remember the X-Men cartoon.

that was so awesome it hurt

I remember the X-Men cartoon.

that was so awesome it hurt
I have all but two episodes on my computer.

:D

I even have the Pryde of the X-Men, which has Wolverine with an Australian accent. (If I knew how to do the emoticon with the big eyes and shocked expression it woudl go here)

X-Men evolution was crappy though. I didn't like the animation at all, it was too dark most of the time.

I have all but two episodes on my computer.

:D

I even have the Pryde of the X-Men, which has Wolverine with an Australian accent. (If I knew how to do the emoticon with the big eyes and shocked expression it woudl go here)

X-Men evolution was crappy though. I didn't like the animation at all, it was too dark most of the time.

:eek:

Johnny Depp would be perfect. I can't think of anyone better.
I know, not only is he great at doing accents (though they are apparantly phasing out all the accents) he really seems to get into his characters really well.

I did hear about Juggernaut, and I like the casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

I think it's better that they hold off on the Phoenix stuff for now. Let them use the next movie to help cover the X-Men dealing with Jean Grey's death. It would feel really rushed if they jumped right into the Phoenix stuff right away.
Agreed. I don't know what they'd do with the phoenix saga actually... like would they end up bringing in the Shiar and all that for the movies? I know that bit kinda got a little weird for me when I was first getting into things, so it could end up being one of those things that only obsessive fans would like.

Oh, and also, I think the next movie's supposed to have Kitty Pryde.

:eek:
Well, there we go.

I miss the little emoticon box that used to be next to the text box.

My favorite is Professor Charles Xavier. Of course, the fact that he's played by Patrick Stewart, a.k.a. Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the U.S.S. Enterprise is double-plus-good. :D Setting the movie aside and considering just the cartoon, my favorite is still Professor-X.I have all but two episodes on my computer.

:DI should look into getting the cartoons on DVD or something.I even have the Pryde of the X-Men, which has Wolverine with an Australian accent. (If I knew how to do the emoticon with the big eyes and shocked expression it woudl go here)The word "eek" surrounded by : colons :. Like this: :eek:

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

I have all but two episodes on my computer.

:D

I even have the Pryde of the X-Men, which has Wolverine with an Australian accent. (If I knew how to do the emoticon with the big eyes and shocked expression it woudl go here)

X-Men evolution was crappy though. I didn't like the animation at all, it was too dark most of the time.
i must have been about 10 or 12 when they were showing it here, and it was just so good.

I should look into getting the cartoons on DVD or something.
Believe me, if they had the cartoons on DVD, I would own them. However, they don't. They have little bits, the Phoenix Saga, the Dark Phoenix Saga and a couple of cartoons that feature Wolverine.

I really wish they would release some box sets so I wouldn't have to deal with missing parts of episodes and having the fox kids logo in the corner and occasionally crappy quality.

I know, not only is he great at doing accents (though they are apparantly phasing out all the accents) he really seems to get into his characters really well.

That's too bad. Gambit really wouldn't be the same without the Cajun accent, don't you agree, mon cheri?


Agreed. I don't know what they'd do with the phoenix saga actually... like would they end up bringing in the Shiar and all that for the movies? I know that bit kinda got a little weird for me when I was first getting into things, so it could end up being one of those things that only obsessive fans would like.

Oh, and also, I think the next movie's supposed to have Kitty Pryde.

I don't know what they would do with Phoenix. If they brought in the Shi'ar, they'd have to go into the whole Shi'ar war with the Kree and such, and that would be a movie or more in it's own right. They'd probably have to stick strictly to her rise as the Phoenix and leave the Shi'ar out, making stuff up to fill in the gaps. Thankfully they work with Marvel when they come up with the screenplays, so they might be able to work on some alternative story.

My favorite is Professor Charles Xavier. Of course, the fact that he's played by Patrick Stewart, a.k.a. Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the U.S.S. Enterprise is double-plus-good.

Yeah. Patrick Stewart is the man.

Agreed. I don't know what they'd do with the phoenix saga actually... like would they end up bringing in the Shiar and all that for the movies? I know that bit kinda got a little weird for me when I was first getting into things, so it could end up being one of those things that only obsessive fans would like.


They could tone down the Phoenix's abilities like they've down with the rest of the characters' powers and simply make them a natural evolution of Jean's powers. It is the simpilest way to avoid bringing aliens and cosmic beings into the movies.

From the movies Wolverine is my favorite (gotta love Hugh Jackman).... Jubilee is my favorite otherwise. :)

I never read the comics when I was younger, but collected the Fleer Ultra cards
(I still have the entire collections from 1994 and 1995 around here somewhere)

That's too bad. Gambit really wouldn't be the same without the Cajun accent, don't you agree, mon cheri?
Well, the comment about phasing out the accents was in refrence to what they've done so far. Rogue is supposed to have a southern accent, Pyro is supposed to be australian... they don't really have the accents...

But I do agree, they need to have Gambit with the accent.

I don't know what they would do with Phoenix. If they brought in the Shi'ar, they'd have to go into the whole Shi'ar war with the Kree and such, and that would be a movie or more in it's own right. They'd probably have to stick strictly to her rise as the Phoenix and leave the Shi'ar out, making stuff up to fill in the gaps. Thankfully they work with Marvel when they come up with the screenplays, so they might be able to work on some alternative story.
They could always release some movies to deal with the phoenix as kind of an aside... I dunno.

They could tone down the Phoenix's abilities like they've down with the rest of the characters' powers and simply make them a natural evolution of Jean's powers. It is the simpilest way to avoid bringing aliens and cosmic beings into the movies.
Well, they've been making it a natural evolution as it is. The phoenix was developping in Jean the entire second movie, really. So that could be the direction they take.

Well, the comment about phasing out the accents was in refrence to what they've done so far. Rogue is supposed to have a southern accent, Pyro is supposed to be australian... they don't really have the accents...

But I do agree, they need to have Gambit with the accent.

Well they seemed to change a fair bit of Rogue's background; I get why she doesn't have the southern accent anymore. And they made Pyro an American for some reason, it seems. I just hope they don't change Gambit's accent.


They could always release some movies to deal with the phoenix as kind of an aside... I dunno.

They could, but think of the amount of movies that might take. The actors probably wouldn't want to get stuck into doing that many movies as the same character.

You can't expect a story as mosaic as X-Men to cleave to the comic book's story lines perfectly. Any time a great or long-running story jumps storytelling media, there's going to be gaps and concessions made to the new medium and its audience. Case in point is Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker stories. Radio, book, tape based on book, TV, second radio and now movie, and each are different because A) Adams always wanted the story to change in each incarnation and B) the need to get new blood into experiencing the stories.

As such, I go with either Nightcrawler or Colossus (whose tantalizing mini-appearance in the 2nd film's abduction scene at the school was most encouraging). Mostly 'cause it I say Kitty Pryde and her pet dragon Lockheed (most appropriate pet name ever), folks will think I'm some kind of ephebophiliac pervert.

You can't expect a story as mosaic as X-Men to cleave to the comic book's story lines perfectly. Any time a great or long-running story jumps storytelling media, there's going to be gaps and concessions made to the new medium and its audience. Case in point is Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker stories. Radio, book, tape based on book, TV, second radio and now movie, and each are different because A) Adams always wanted the story to change in each incarnation and B) the need to get new blood into experiencing the stories.

As such, I go with either Nightcrawler or Colossus (whose tantalizing mini-appearance in the 2nd film's abduction scene at the school was most encouraging). Mostly 'cause it I say Kitty Pryde and her pet dragon Lockheed (most appropriate pet name ever), folks will think I'm some kind of ephebophiliac pervert.

Well the guy who played Colossus is listed as one of the cast members already signed up to the project, so that's also encouraging.

Cyclops is SUPPOSED to be hard to swallow. He's got all these weird control issues because of having to deal with his eyes. He's actually a very tragic figure, especially in that so few sympathize with him, even the readers. It's just that he's so damned IRRITATING about it. He doesn't cope very well.

Cyclops is SUPPOSED to be hard to swallow. He's got all these weird control issues because of having to deal with his eyes. He's actually a very tragic figure, especially in that so few sympathize with him, even the readers. It's just that he's so damned IRRITATING about it. He doesn't cope very well.
I don't like irritating. It's very annoying.

Is anyone else looking forward to the third x-men movie? Yes, I know they've fucked up the plot lines terribly, but they're damn good movies nonetheless.
It doesn't have wolverine right? I think they need more of the other x-men especially classic characters like angel and beast.
If this isn't enough material for discussion, I'm adding the question: Who is your favourite X-Men?
Gambit. He is totally the man. Makes french people actually seem cool. Yes he is cajun not french but still, thats pretty close. His power is cool and he always is doing cool shit.

It doesn't have wolverine right? I think they need more of the other x-men especially classic characters like angel and beast.
They've already got an actor for Beast, I heard they were looking for someone to play angel. Geez, they're bringing in a lot of different mutants this one, aren't they?

They've already got an actor for Beast, I heard they were looking for someone to play angel. Geez, they're bringing in a lot of different mutants this one, aren't they?
Thats good news! Wolverine is cool but the second movie was like the "wolverine show". I am all for some new faces besides Wolverine, Jean and Cycops. Beast is so smart and sophisticated and brings a lot of class; Angel used to be my favorite but I guess he doesn't have his metal wings anymore so he is about as menacing now as a common pigeon. I hope gambit comes in eventually but if not oh well.

Thats good news! Wolverine is cool but the second movie was like the "wolverine show". I am all for some new faces besides Wolverine, Jean and Cycops. Beast is so smart and sophisticated and brings a lot of class; Angel used to be my favorite but I guess he doesn't have his metal wings anymore so he is about as menacing now as a common pigeon. I hope gambit comes in eventually but if not oh well.
Well, if they were to bring in angel with metal wings, they'd at least have to make mention of the morlock massacre (where he lost his original wings) and bring up Apocolypse, who gave him the metal wings.

Well, if they were to bring in angel with metal wings, they'd at least have to make mention of the morlock massacre (where he lost his original wings) and bring up Apocolypse, who gave him the metal wings.
I think they need to get away from all these movies being about Magneto sooner or later anyway. Apocolaypse is pretty much the X-men's #2 villian, would be the logical next villian for them to face although the whole morlock massacre might be a little R rated.

I think they need to get away from all these movies being about Magneto sooner or later anyway. Apocolaypse is pretty much the X-men's #2 villian, would be the logical next villian for them to face although the whole morlock massacre might be a little R rated.

Bah. Apocalypse has had since the dawn of time to take over the world, and he hasn't been able to. Mr. Sinister is where it's at. :D

Bah. Apocalypse has had since the dawn of time to take over the world, and he hasn't been able to. Mr. Sinister is where it's at. :D
Didn't you ever read those age of apocolypse comics? He eventually takes over the world, he is just taking his sweet time about it.

Didn't you ever read those age of apocolypse comics? He eventually takes over the world, he is just taking his sweet time about it.

Yeah, I guess. But it was all alternate timeline-y and stuff. And he was eventually defeated, too.

I think they need to get away from all these movies being about Magneto sooner or later anyway. Apocolaypse is pretty much the X-men's #2 villian, would be the logical next villian for them to face although the whole morlock massacre might be a little R rated.
Wasn't Sinister behind the morlock massacre?

Wasn't Sinister behind the morlock massacre?

Indeed he was.

Indeed he was.
That's what I thought, it's how Gambit got involved with them too.

That's what I thought, it's how Gambit got involved with them too.

Yes ma'am. You know your Marvel. :)

Yes ma'am. You know your Marvel. :)
I guess.

I don't get to read the comics, so I read the plotlines. :(

Oh, and also, I think the next movie's supposed to have Kitty Pryde.

Kitty Pryde already had a small cameo in the first movie, and I believe the second movie as well. Shadowcat, right?

Didn't you ever read those age of apocolypse comics? He eventually takes over the world, he is just taking his sweet time about it.

The Age of Apocolypse was the best thing to ever happen to the X-Men, hell even Marvel Comics in general. It was just so sweet. Not only that, but there were two AoA only characters that were two of the coolest character ever in Marvel. Blink and Nathan Summers. No not Cable, I'm talking about X-Man. He was one powerful mutant. He beat down Apocolypse's son Holocaust pretty bad. Then he got transported to the real reality after they fixed the mistake of Xavier's son along with Holocaust (He had a shard of the one crystal stuck inside of him. M'Kron is it?) and Dark Beast. Then after the Onslaught mess, they got rid of Nathan because he was just too damn powerful.

Oh man, the Onslaught story was nothing compared to the AoA storyline.

I guess.

I don't get to read the comics, so I read the plotlines. :(

I do the same thing. :D

Kitty Pryde already had a small cameo in the first movie, and I believe the second movie as well. Shadowcat, right?
Yep. She ran through a wall to escape the darts that those guys were shooting at them.

Yep. She ran through a wall to escape the darts that those guys were shooting at them.

She was in the first one as well?

She was in the first one as well?
Possibly. I can't remember, it's been a while since I've seen the first one (it's at my parents' house)

She was in the first one as well?

Yeah. When Wolvie is first talking to Xavier after the class, she walks through the door.

Wasn't Sinister behind the morlock massacre?
Sinister was yes, but Apocolaypse gives warren his cool metal wings. The way he could shoot out posion tipped razor sharp feathers was just downright awesome. They should also make iceman and rogue better in the next movie, instead of making them just helpless useless school children.

First X men- good.
Second X men- shit!
Fav character wolverine.

Cyclops is SUPPOSED to be hard to swallow. He's got all these weird control issues because of having to deal with his eyes. He's actually a very tragic figure, especially in that so few sympathize with him, even the readers. It's just that he's so damned IRRITATING about it. He doesn't cope very well.

That and his father running off to outerspace and being seperated from his brother.

And his girfriend dying and being replaced by a clone then not being dead then having to kill the clone he married and has a son with.

Yes, Cyclops has a lot of issues. Not as many as Wolverine, though. Everyone likes Wolverine.
Probably because insted of being all controlling he just kills a lot. Everyone would like Cyclops if he was more free-spirited and savagly murderous.

I have to say that I haven't read one single comic, since there obviously not available here, but I love the movies. My favorite X-men are Wolverine (Hugh Jackman *sigh*), Nightcrawler and (yes I know, he's evil, but I don't care) Pyro.
I read somewhere that they changed a lot of the original Pyro; he should be much older, shouldn't he? But I think that he'll also be part of the next movie, since the x-men will have to deal with the fact that he deserted them. Maybe they'll let him fight Iceman?
By the way, does someone know if there was something going wrong with Pyro's family? Because after watching the 2nd movie, I'm pretty sure that there is something with his family that let to his being so weird. (the way he looks at photos in Bobby's home)

Cyclops and beast are my favourite characters on the good-guy side. Cyclops for the shallow reason that he has laser eyes, and beast because he's cultured, but can beat the hell out of people.
Apocalypse is my favourite bad-guy... but he has really fat lips. Which is silly. But he does have a certain element of malice about him.

Gambit all the way...

...Colossus is good too though.

Didn't Halle Berry already say she wouldn't do any more X-Men movies, or am I totally off base? :confused:

We could use 'The beast'. I think he's one of my favorite characters, incredibly intelligent and still witty. :)

He's one of the core members of X-men yet he's not around for the movies. He would be an excellent addition to the squad.

I've always liked Beast best.

Speaking of Phoenix, check out these cute litte Flash parodies:

X-Men: Death Becomes Them (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160)

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Rising (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/219810)

:D

I've always liked Beast best.

Speaking of Phoenix, check out these cute litte Flash parodies:

X-Men: Death Becomes Them (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160)

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Rising (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/219810)

:D


*rofl* :D

Possibly. I can't remember, it's been a while since I've seen the first one (it's at my parents' house)


Yes. She walked through Professor X's door when Wolverine was wandering around the school.

(OMG! X-Men Addict Alert!)

Kitty had small cameos in both movies, and also at the end of X-Men II, Prof X says to the US president that he knows a girl who can walk through walls.
Based on the cameo that iceman had in I, yet became quite major in II I'd say it's a good sign Kitty will be in III.
Hopefully Colossus will have a big role. They'd be dumb not to. I remember the audience reaction when he made his cameo. Talking to my students, him turning into metal was one of the main things they remembered from the movie. Shame they lost his accent. I always thought one of the bad guys in '15 minutes' would have played a great Colossus. He looked like him, was stocky and muscular and was Russian (or Ukranian I think). Perfect for him.
Hank McCoy had a cameo in II, so hopefully he'll be in III as well.

I don't think they'll make a IV, will they? I can't see them be able to get all the main stars back for a fourth movie. The only reason Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry are in III is because they were tied to a 3-movie deal before they became mega-famous. Would it be as popular and thus profitable without them? A movie studio might not think so.

I read somewhere that they changed a lot of the original Pyro; he should be much older, shouldn't he? But I think that he'll also be part of the next movie, since the x-men will have to deal with the fact that he deserted them. Maybe they'll let him fight Iceman?
By the way, does someone know if there was something going wrong with Pyro's family? Because after watching the 2nd movie, I'm pretty sure that there is something with his family that let to his being so weird. (the way he looks at photos in Bobby's home)
In the comics he was an Aussie who seemed to be in his early 30s. The same sort of arrogance and looking out for himself over everyone else though. It did lead him to appear to be a bit cowardly at times.
I think the bit in X-Men II where Pyro looks at Bobby's family photos was probably meant to imply that he hadn't had any such loving supportive family himself - hence his bitterness and dislike of normal people.

Favorite X-Men?
Comics :
Psylocke (both incarnations)
Collossus
Wolverine
Shadowcat
(not an X-man but favorite anyway)
Magma (New Mutants)
Pyche Aka. Daneille Moonstar
Wolfsbane Aka Rahne Sinclair
Magick aka Illyanna Rasputin


Who would I like to appear (more or first appearance) in the movies.
Kitty Pryde
Collossus
Dazzler

The thing is, the Actress who plays Jean Grey also mentioned that she wasn't interested in another X-Men movie. so the Phoenix Story may be shelved.

and the X-Men are large enough that if Halle Berry wanted to drop out, (can't blame her, she was woefully underused in the first movie and mis-used in the second.) they have others to draw upon. They can even bring in Psylocke to replace Jean's Telepathy abilities.

Who would I like to appear (more or first appearance) in the movies:
Dazzler

The thing is, the Actress who plays Jean Grey also mentioned that she wasn't interested in another X-Men movie. so the Phoenix Story may be shelved.

and the X-Men are large enough that if Halle Berry wanted to drop out, (can't blame her, she was woefully underused in the first movie and mis-used in the second.) they have others to draw upon. They can even bring in Psylocke to replace Jean's Telepathy abilities.
Dazzler? ewww...A movie with bad Disco music played throughout would not be much of a hit, methinks. Personally I think Havok would be cool. The Blob wouldn't. Probably the crappiest character ever.
"Hey! I'm a really fat guy and you can't push me over!"
Whoooo.
What a Mutation.

About the Phoenix plot - even if the actress left, they could easily get round it by using another actress and saying the transformation has changed her physically as well as pysically.

I agree with you with Halle Berry's role - though after that god-awful line she did in X-Men I she didn't deserve to have a bigger part.
"Do you know what happens when toads they get struck by lightning?" ...dramatic pause...
"The same as every thing else"
I mean WTF? Surely the lamest bon mot ever. Apparently it was meant to be "They croak" (which isn't too hot, but much better than the one used), but for some god-only-knows reason, Halle didn't like the line so changed it to that cruddy one.
Anyway, while they don't need her to make a good X-Men movie, I would wonder as to how a movie studio about to pump a couple of hundred million into a movie would feel if the film doesn't have any big name stars in it. Which is why I'd be (happily) surprised if there is a X-Men IV.

Dazzler? ewww...A movie with bad Disco music played throughout would not be much of a hit, methinks. Personally I think Havok would be cool. The Blob wouldn't. Probably the crappiest character ever.
"Hey! I'm a really fat guy and you can't push me over!"
Whoooo.
What a Mutation. Nah, the lastest Version of Dazzler (comics anyway) she's works for a rocker Lila Chaney. and considering her mutation, there wouldn't be any disco music playing.... she'll be absorbing the sound.

About the Phoenix plot - even if the actress left, they could easily get round it by using another actress and saying the transformation has changed her physically as well as pysically.Movie series where they change the actors/actresses but keep the character tend not to do so well IMHO.

I agree with you with Halle Berry's role - though after that god-awful line she did in X-Men I she didn't deserve to have a bigger part.
"Do you know what happens when toads they get struck by lightning?" ...dramatic pause...
"The same as every thing else"
I mean WTF? Surely the lamest bon mot ever. Apparently it was meant to be "They croak" (which isn't too hot, but much better than the one used), but for some god-only-knows reason, Halle didn't like the line so changed it to that cruddy one.
Anyway, while they don't need her to make a good X-Men movie, I would wonder as to how a movie studio about to pump a couple of hundred million into a movie would feel if the film doesn't have any big name stars in it. Which is why I'd be (happily) surprised if there is a X-Men IV.a waste of talent for that one... (sigh)

Hmmm...after reading all this thread I'm really starting to wish I spent my money on comics instead all the other crap I buy...and that I'd been old enough to appreciate the original cartoons when they were on. But oh well, there are the movies now :)
I do remember liking rogue in the cartoons, the was really cool with her southern accent and crazy hair. Then they went and made her all wimpy for the film :gundge:
Johnny Depp would be class as Gambit though. Though Johnny Depp would be class as anything :p

Favourite X-man, of all X-Men series:

The Beast. Hands down. If he's featured in the third film, it'd be nice to see him messing around with his DNA and inadvertently turning himself furry, blue and fang-toothed.

Favourite mutant, of all X-Men series:

Proteus, 'Mutant X' - the one who could restructure reality around him. There's a mutant begging to be realized on a big screen. Just think of the possibilities for top-knotch CG.

The X-men films would be immensely better if they had Gambit in them. He was the greatest character within the comics, and I was wondering where the hell he was throughout.

One reason I think they might not have chosen him, is that he can blow things up. He has his quarterstaff and all, but he just gets a card and throws it, a side of a house explodes. Perhaps not what they wanted.

But I don't care, Gambit was awesome. They could incorperate him in a small way.

so far the following actors have signed for x3 (according to imdb.com) :


Alan Cumming .... Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Vinnie Jones
Ian McKellen .... Eric Lensherr/Magneto
Patrick Stewart .... Charles Xavier/Prof. X

So I guess they'll go for the phoenix plot

so far the following actors have signed for x3 (according to imdb.com) :


Alan Cumming .... Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Vinnie Jones
Ian McKellen .... Eric Lensherr/Magneto
Patrick Stewart .... Charles Xavier/Prof. X

So I guess they'll go for the phoenix plot


I'd like to point out that IMDB once said that Mr. T was voicing Turel and Legacy of Kain: Defiance.

For those not familier with the Legacy of Kain series, that piece of information was not only incorrect it was so absurd that few fans believed it.

I've just watched X2 again, and I realised that the movie would be over after about 20 minutes, if the mutants wouldn't always forget about their powers!
For exemple, when they're being attacked by missiles in the jet, Pyro seems to ignore the fact that there is enough fire out there for him to blow these missiles up. I also can't understand why no one of these powerful mutants (except for Wolverine) tries to fight Stryker's soldiers when they enter the school... :confused:

Favourite mutant, of all X-Men series:

Proteus, 'Mutant X' - the one who could restructure reality around him. There's a mutant begging to be realized on a big screen. Just think of the possibilities for top-knotch CG.
Wasn't he sort of in X-Men II? He was the one in the wheelchair who was used to attack and manipulate Xavier into killing all the mutants.

so far the following actors have signed for x3 (according to imdb.com) :

Alan Cumming .... Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Vinnie Jones
Vinnie Jones!?!
Gotta wonder who/what he's going to play!
Got any ideas, anyone?

Vinnie Jones!?!
Gotta wonder who/what he's going to play!
Got any ideas, anyone?


Somesay that it's either Juggernaut or Mr. Sinister.
I have to say that I know none of them...

Somesay that it's either Juggernaut or Mr. Sinister.
I have to say that I know none of them...
Juggernaut? Hmmm...Don't know about that. Juggers is a huge man, so unless they put him in a big body suit he just wouldn't look the part. He could probably pull off the arrogant violent nature though.
I haven't read X-Men for years, so don't know who Mr. Sinister is.

I've just watched X2 again, and I realised that the movie would be over after about 20 minutes, if the mutants wouldn't always forget about their powers!
For exemple, when they're being attacked by missiles in the jet, Pyro seems to ignore the fact that there is enough fire out there for him to blow these missiles up. I also can't understand why no one of these powerful mutants (except for Wolverine) tries to fight Stryker's soldiers when they enter the school... :confused:well, except for the teachers, all of them were students. Syrin did use her powers as well as Collossus but a pitched battle in the school would probably force the Government to blow it up.


Wasn't he sort of in X-Men II? He was the one in the wheelchair who was used to attack and manipulate Xavier into killing all the mutants. That was Mastermind in the wheelchair.

I read somewhere that they changed a lot of the original Pyro; he should be much older, shouldn't he? But I think that he'll also be part of the next movie, since the x-men will have to deal with the fact that he deserted them. Maybe they'll let him fight Iceman?
Pyro is also supposed to be australian, not american, he's supposed to have the accent and everything. I don't know if he was supposed to be part of the x-men ever, I always thought he was with Mystique and them.
I think they changed Rogue more. I wonder if they're even going to allow for her to get the super strength/ability to fly stuff if they do enough movies.

Pyro is also supposed to be australian, not american, he's supposed to have the accent and everything. I don't know if he was supposed to be part of the x-men ever, I always thought he was with Mystique and them. His first appearance was in Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

I think they changed Rogue more. I wonder if they're even going to allow for her to get the super strength/ability to fly stuff if they do enough movies.nope. Rogue hasn't changed, She got her strength, flight, and invulerability when she attacked Carol Danvers (A.K.A.) Marvel Girl. However, because Carol was half Kree (or something) instead of the transfer being temporary, it was permanment.

I've always liked Beast best.

Speaking of Phoenix, check out these cute litte Flash parodies:

X-Men: Death Becomes Them (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160)

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Rising (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/219810)

:D
I can't remember when I laughed so hard.

so far the following actors have signed for x3 (according to imdb.com) :


Alan Cumming .... Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Vinnie Jones
Ian McKellen .... Eric Lensherr/Magneto
Patrick Stewart .... Charles Xavier/Prof. X

So I guess they'll go for the phoenix plot
They're pretty our of date then, Kelsey Grammer signed up to play the Beast like last week.

I haven't read X-Men for years, so don't know who Mr. Sinister is.
Mr Sinister is the guy who was always obsessed with Cyclops and Jean.

This guy: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=964

nope. Rogue hasn't changed, She got her strength, flight, and invulerability when she attacked Carol Danvers (A.K.A.) Marvel Girl. However, because Carol was half Kree (or something) instead of the transfer being temporary, it was permanment.
I know how she gets her powers. Sucks that they can't have that situation come up though. Rogue sucks without the ability to do anything other than drain powers.

I liked the movies and I can't wait until the third one.

Mine has to be Jean Gray

Few questions about the X Kids.

Who was the one who says he doesn't sleep and changes the TV channels with his eyes?

Will Artie be getting a bigger role in X3? I dunno what his powers are. He seems just to have a blue tongue.



I hope Gambit is in the next one as he's always been my favorite. I honestly hope they don't try any comic book crossovers, although Dr. Doom is not only a Fantastic Four villain, right? I mean, he also fights the X-Men I think.

Perhaps if Gambit does well in future movies, he could have his own movie of "Gambit and the Xternals."

Few questions about the X Kids.

Who was the one who says he doesn't sleep and changes the TV channels with his eyes?

Will Artie be getting a bigger role in X3? I dunno what his powers are. He seems just to have a blue tongue.Artie... If I remember right, he cancells Mutant powers. Might be wrong tho... last time I saw Artie was after the Morlok Massacre


I hope Gambit is in the next one as he's always been my favorite. I honestly hope they don't try any comic book crossovers, although Dr. Doom is not only a Fantastic Four villain, right? I mean, he also fights the X-Men I think.A couple of times, but He's more FF Nemisis than Xmen.

Perhaps if Gambit does well in future movies, he could have his own movie of "Gambit and the Xternals."TV series mabe, but movies?

Wolverine is the most interesting, most profound, and alltime most "real" character of the X-Men. Along with Magneto (who lead the X-Men twice, once in the regular series, once in the Age of Apocalypse - which is a great series). I could go on and on and on about how great Wolverine is, but I won't... yet. ;)

Newest cast (according to imdb.com):


Alan Cumming .... Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Maggie Grace .... Kitty Pride
Kelsey Grammer .... Hank McCoy/Beast
Hugh Jackman .... Logan/Wolverine
Famke Janssen .... Jean Grey/Phoenix
Vinnie Jones .... Juggernaut
Ian McKellen .... Eric Lensherr/Magneto
Patrick Stewart .... Charles Xavier/Prof. X

Newest cast (according to imdb.com):
Vinnie Jones .... Juggernaut



what.... the.... hell....
There is no way he could play Juggernaut. NOBODY can play Juggernaut without a LOT of SFX. it can't be done.

what.... the.... hell....
There is no way he could play Juggernaut. NOBODY can play Juggernaut without a LOT of SFX. it can't be done.WWE wrestler BIG SHOW could pull it off.

he might be able to pull it off if they padded his limbs up to make him more out of proportion, like Juggernaut is. And he doesn't need to be able to act either, not as if Juggernaut is the most eloquent of villains... one of my favourites though.

he might be able to pull it off if they padded his limbs up to make him more out of proportion, like Juggernaut is. And he doesn't need to be able to act either, not as if Juggernaut is the most eloquent of villains... one of my favourites though.no... not that much... after all, you can't have the same look as the comic... just need a before (scrawny man) and after (Big Show) kinda like what they did for Bane in Batman and Robin.

I dunno... Juggernaut is quite well known... and the whole point of him is that he is like a juggernaut. He can't be anything less than totally out of proportion with muscles. Big Show makes the height quite nicely. But he still needs padding. the more physical a character is, the more they need to resemble what they look like physically. Take prof X for example. As long as he's bald and in a wheelchair, he could look like anyone. However, Wolverine NEEDS to be rugged, and look like he does in the movie and comic and cartoon. Because he's tied in with what he looks like, like the beast. Magneto just needs a red suit and a cape and be a little bit older. Because he doesn't rely on his physical presence quite so much. That's why Juggernaut needs to look like Juggernaut.

There's no way they could get an actor to realistically portray Juggernaut physically. They would have had to rely on CGI no matter what.

There's no way they could get an actor to realistically portray Juggernaut physically. They would have had to rely on CGI no matter what.


Juggernaut (http://philippe.tromeur.free.fr/marvel/images/Juggernaut.jpg)

Vinnie (http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1071868684960_2003/12/20/300vinnie_jones,0.jpg)


That's pretty much my point. But I think with Show they could perhaps take it down to padding because in all honesty, it'll probably look more believable than CGI. And as this shows, there is NO WAY that Vinnie could play Juggernaut, padded or no. I tend to believe that if they can do it without using CGI *not because I dislike CGI, just because it's not really advanced enough yet, in my opinion*, then they should try.

Also, an English Juggernaut? eh?

one thought just occured to me. Since they changed Jason Wyngard (Mastermind) in the movie, they could very well change Juggernaut. perhaps he won't bulk up physically (since he was given his power by the Gem of whatever) but it will more likely be a mystical force... just making him Nigh unstoppable.

one thought just occured to me. Since they changed Jason Wyngard (Mastermind) in the movie, they could very well change Juggernaut. perhaps he won't bulk up physically (since he was given his power by the Gem of whatever) but it will more likely be a mystical force... just making him Nigh unstoppable.

This is true. The difference is, I won't like it. Not one bit. I think that was my point all along, to be honest. But it got lost somewhere. They'll ruin Juggernaut if they change him.

This is true. The difference is, I won't like it. Not one bit. I think that was my point all along, to be honest. But it got lost somewhere. They'll ruin Juggernaut if they change him.well... I'd rather wait and see how they do it. it could be like the Hulk... (god I hope not.)

My fav x-men are:

Apocalypse: His ability to travel through time. And his super powers are unlimitied. So long has his sarcophagus is around. Which reminds me. If he didnt have his sarcophagus until the ancient egyptian empire how did he survive?

Onslaught: He destroys most of the world in one of the many time lines. And he is uber cool.

Cable: His ability to destroy the universe with a thought is out of this world.


The Phoenix Saga was pretty cool. But the Dark Phoenix saga in the cartoon was sad when they battled the Shiar on the dark side of the moon.

My fav x-men are:

Apocalypse: His ability to travel through time. And his super powers are unlimitied. So long has his sarcophagus is around. Which reminds me. If he didnt have his sarcophagus until the ancient egyptian empire how did he survive?

Onslaught: He destroys most of the world in one of the many time lines. And he is uber cool.

Cable: His ability to destroy the universe with a thought is out of this world.


The Phoenix Saga was pretty cool. But the Dark Phoenix saga in the cartoon was sad when they battled the Shiar on the dark side of the moon.Didn't see the Cartoon verson. did she kill herself in the end?

Jean comes back though in the cartoon after words right? Because the Phoenix says that it needs to life of one to restore her. But instead they all offer part of themselves to it.

But the cartoon is one of the best I have seen for comic books. If I knew where to DL them with any accuracy I would.

I always liked the Colossus vs. Omega Red comics. The cartoon adaptation was decent as well.

But the cartoon is one of the best I have seen for comic books. If I knew where to DL them with any accuracy I would.
Try WinMx. That's where I got most of mine. I'm missing two episodes though, 308 and one from the 5th season... 503 I think.

Johnny Depp would be perfect. I can't think of anyone better.

I did hear about Juggernaut, and I like the casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

I think it's better that they hold off on the Phoenix stuff for now. Let them use the next movie to help cover the X-Men dealing with Jean Grey's death. It would feel really rushed if they jumped right into the Phoenix stuff right away.
You clearly missed the part, where when Jean kind of died, there was a phoenix sign on the ground.

You clearly missed the part, where when Jean kind of died, there was a phoenix sign on the ground.
Doesn't mean they can't have her stay dead for one movie and then come back.

I loved the first movie and was disappointed by the second. They completely ruined my favourite character, NIghtcrawler. They turned him into a bloody Bavarian Catholic with a guilt complex and a Jesus Freak streak a mile wide. He's a DEMON for crying out loud! Give me a break! His human "parents" are Donau Deutsche, not Munich beer chuggers. :mad: I did like they head to toe ritual scars they gave him though.

I'll be in line for the premier show of the 3rd movie though. Duh! Its X-MEN! :)

I loved the first movie and was disappointed by the second. They completely ruined my favourite character, NIghtcrawler. They turned him into a bloody Bavarian Catholic with a guilt complex and a Jesus Freak streak a mile wide. He's a DEMON for crying out loud! Give me a break! His human "parents" are Donau Deutsche, not Munich beer chuggers. :mad: I did like they head to toe ritual scars they gave him though.

I'll be in line for the premier show of the 3rd movie though. Duh! Its X-MEN! :)
You obviously haven't read any of the early X-Men comics. How Nightcrawler was protrayed in the movie was pretty spot-on.
He was an extremely devout Catholic and originally thought he must have been cursed by God, which is why he had the form of a Demon.
He grew up in a circus that toured mainly Bavaria until one day when someone was brutally murdered in a town where the circus had just turned up in. Nightcrawler found that it was his step-brother and (this is from memory so apologies if I got it wrong) fought with him, only to accidently kill him. 'Crawler fled but the townsfolk immediately thought he was the brutal killer on accounts of his appearance. They had cornered him and were about to kill him when Prof X turned up and saved him - and then told him of his true nature (that he was a Mutant). Even after this he still felt ashamed of his appearance and still thought that he was cursed by God.
Later he found out that his mother wasn't a Demon but an extremely powerful magician (can't remember her name - Magda I think). It was always hinted that 'Crawler and Mystique were related and possibly brother and sister but By the time I stopped reading it (around issue 280) they still hadn't cleared this up.


As for Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. No.no.no.no.
Only a wrestler (or a American football forward) could pull off his size and physique. If they cgi him, it would just look silly - much like how the Hulk looked. What's wrong with hiring a big guy to play a big guy?

Vinnie has the hard man thing down to a tee

Vinnie has the hard man thing down to a tee
Maybe, but he doesn't weigh 900lbs, nor is he 6'10".
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsj/juggernaut.gif
versus:
http://www.new-video.de/da/2109.jpg
Now really. Is this an unstoppable juggernaut? Be honest now.





On a different note, I just had to put this one in, cause it's one of the funniest pics ever:
http://www.fiveaside.no/rediger/images/vinnie_jones_01.jpg

I always liked the Colossus vs. Omega Red comics. The cartoon adaptation was decent as well.

Omega Red would be an amazing villain in the X-Men series, and I hope that he gets into it in a future X-Men movie.

I heard Ms. Berry won't be Storm in the next movie. Will they have it so it seems that Storm will be in Africa with her little brother (in Kenya, I think), or will they just get a new person to play Storm?

You clearly missed the part, where when Jean kind of died, there was a phoenix sign on the ground.

I clearly did not miss that part. It doesn't mean they have to rush right into her resurrection as the Phoenix. They can make this next movie about something else, and have the subplot be about the other X-Men dealing with the loss of Jean Grey.

I clearly did not miss that part. It doesn't mean they have to rush right into her resurrection as the Phoenix. They can make this next movie about something else, and have the subplot be about the other X-Men dealing with the loss of Jean Grey.

That would prove to be interesting, if it happened that way. Perhaps in the next movie, the X-Men will be dealing with Magneto, Juggernaut, and some other villains, and in the end of the movie, we get some sort of quick teaser on the fact that Jean may be alive.

That would prove to be interesting, if it happened that way. Perhaps in the next movie, the X-Men will be dealing with Magneto, Juggernaut, and some other villains, and in the end of the movie, we get some sort of quick teaser on the fact that Jean may be alive.

Obviously Magneto will be in the next one, but I sincerely hope that he isn't the main bad guy. Stryker was great and all, but the X-Men have so many more interesting enemies. Give me Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse!

Best shot of Juggernaut I've ever seen. Also a bit of reference on his size:
http://www.wiu.edu/users/mudjs1/VSjuggernaut.jpg

I really don't know whether Vinnie Jones is the right person to play him, but if he isn't, it's got nothing to do with his physique. CGI is the only way to make an actual human being look like the Juggernaut of the comic books, but of course they could just deviate a bit from the original character like they did with Wolverine. They already had the 6' 3'' Jackman playing the hero of every one of us short guys out there, which was simply a crime even though the movies were great.

Obviously Magneto will be in the next one, but I sincerely hope that he isn't the main bad guy. Stryker was great and all, but the X-Men have so many more interesting enemies. Give me Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse!

I love Magneto! he has flair. I just hope he's prominent in it. Good guy or bad, he just rocks the casbah. I don't think they should do the Phoenix storyline yet, purely from a narrative point. You need to have a whole movie without Jean to see precisely the effects on everyone. They could squeeze it into the first half, but it needs to be given time to mature, so that when the Phoenix storyline does come about, it's got the impact that it should have. Hopefully what they'll do is have Juggernaut as the most visible opponent, and someone like Apocalypse guiding it from behind the scenes. Hinted at, but not revealed.

EDIT: that shot of Juggernaut rules so much that I'm slightly aroused. :D

Obviously Magneto will be in the next one, but I sincerely hope that he isn't the main bad guy. Stryker was great and all, but the X-Men have so many more interesting enemies. Give me Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse!

Mr. Sinister was amazing, as well as Omega Red. Apocalypse and Mystique would be a fun addition to it, though obviously, we've seen Mystique in both of the previous movies. If they do elaborate on the Phoenix in this one, they need Empress Leilandra, and her whole team.

I know, not only is he great at doing accents (though they are apparantly phasing out all the accents) he really seems to get into his characters really well.


Agreed. I don't know what they'd do with the phoenix saga actually... like would they end up bringing in the Shiar and all that for the movies? I know that bit kinda got a little weird for me when I was first getting into things, so it could end up being one of those things that only obsessive fans would like.

Oh, and also, I think the next movie's supposed to have Kitty Pryde.

She was in the first two, just not an active X-man. Kelsey Grammer would be awesome as beast, altohugh CGI beast, the guy that voiced him in the comic would be cool

Storyline wise, I reckon have Friends of Humanity in X3, then (if made) phoenix as X4 and sentinels in X4-5
X3 should be F.O.H. as some of the coolest bits in the cartoons are with the Friends of Humanity, you could have Xmen trying to break up brotherhood - F.O.H. brawls, introduce beast, gambit (if used) and juggernaut, set up Phoenix storyline for X4, start on sentinels for X4/5, have more depth to the movies by setting up three ways battles between Xmen/Similar, Brotherhood/other mutants, and F.O.H.