NationStates Jolt Archive

Seriously, this (http://www.bushfish.org/index.html) is just insane.

What the heck has become of us? I'm telling you, mankind is a despicable little species.

These people have always been this way. There's a reason England didn't want them any longer, you know.

"Bring me your tiring, your confused, your fundamentalist masses!"

Their opinion, and they are entitled to it.

Their opinion, and they are entitled to it.

Maybe so, but our constitution clearly states the separation of Church and State. These idiots are just trying to force everybody to live under their terms.

A Bushfish? Is that a fish from a poorly underdeveloped country? Like the Bushmen?

Maybe so, but our constitution clearly states the separation of Church and State. These idiots are just trying to force everybody to live under their terms.


Hmmmm...don't see anything reffering to making people conform to their thinking. They just believe that Bush is doing the "lords work". While many people do not agree with them, they have a right to hold an opinion.

BTW, I do think they are a little loony, but I'm playing devils advocate here.

Maybe so, but our constitution clearly states the separation of Church and State. These idiots are just trying to force everybody to live under their terms.

Actually it doesn't state it clearly, which is but one of the dreadful shortcomings of the American constitution which lie in its vague and poor language.

Hmmmm...don't see anything reffering to making people conform to their thinking. They just believe that Bush is doing the "lords work". While many people do not agree with them, they have a right to hold an opinion.

BTW, I do think they are a little loony, but I'm playing devils advocate here.

Don't you see that they're trying to ban any material that has homosexuals depicted in it? Do you find that even the least bit wrong?

Don't you see that they're trying to ban any material that has homosexuals depicted in it? Do you find that even the least bit wrong?

No, I really don't have any problem with them following their agenda. Both the right and the left have agendas. Why should one side of the political spectrum be restricted from persuing their's?

Actually it doesn't state it clearly, which is but one of the dreadful shortcomings of the American constitution which lie in its vague and poor language.

Yeah, that's true. We should have the whole thing re-written... Under extremely strict supervision, with no religious nuts to oversee it. You never know what might happen with those weirdos.

No, I really don't have any problem with them following their agenda. Both the right and the left have agendas. Why should one side of the political spectrum be restricted from persuing their's?

One has to realise that there is a right and a wrong side to things, and I believe that attempting to limit the personal rights and freedoms of people is very wrong.

You'd think we left the Dark Ages behind almost two thousand years ago...

Religion?!! Religious values in government!? Oh, God!!

"I'm telling you, mankind is a despicable little species." Those bastards, next thing you know they will say that killing unborn babies is wrong!


How dare anyone attempt to be patriotic and religious, did you see them, they even said "show your love for God and the USA." God and USA should never appear in the same sentence..

:rolleyes:

South Islands is correct, they are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are so don't resort to insulting them because of their values.

don't resort to insulting them because of their values.

Funny, because they're the ones who insult everyone who doesn't believe in what they do.

Yeah, that's true. We should have the whole thing re-written... Under extremely strict supervision, with no religious nuts to oversee it. You never know what might happen with those weirdos.

I'm sorry but in all honesty, are you stoned right now?

"One has to realise that there is a right and a wrong side to things, and I believe that attempting to limit the personal rights and freedoms of people is very wrong.

You'd think we left the Dark Ages behind almost two thousand years ago..."

Yep, that confirms it.

Their opinion, and they are entitled to it.

What's your point? It could be my opinion that the sky is fluorescent pink, but entitled to it or not, I'd still be a moron.

I'm sorry but in all honesty, are you stoned right now?

"One has to realise that there is a right and a wrong side to things, and I believe that attempting to limit the personal rights and freedoms of people is very wrong.

You'd think we left the Dark Ages behind almost two thousand years ago..."

Yep, that confirms it.

I don't think you got what I was saying about restricting the religious nuts from the re-writing of our constitution. Restricting their access to it isn't restricting the freedoms of the people, which is exactly what they want to do.

Maybe so, but our constitution clearly states the separation of Church and State. These idiots are just trying to force everybody to live under their terms.


Show me which article says that. It states that senators and representatives are not required to a "religous Test" but please show me the article.

One has to realise that there is a right and a wrong side to things, and I believe that attempting to limit the personal rights and freedoms of people is very wrong.

You'd think we left the Dark Ages behind almost two thousand years ago...

Closer to thousand, if I remember history.

Show me which article says that. It states that senators and representatives are not required to a "religous Test" but please show me the article.

So... Banning certain books just because a few people are upset over them wouldn't be forcing ideals upon people? Hmm.

Closer to thousand, if I remember history.

Yeah, around 1,500 years, give or take.

What books are you talking about?

What books are you talking about?
Any books.

I'm interweaving this argument with the Lexington one, since you haven't noticed.

I'm interweaving this argument with the Lexington one, since you haven't noticed.

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm interweaving this argument with the Lexington one, since you haven't noticed.

Wouldn't that be a case of constructing your own opposing platform to argue against rather than arguing against the real one presented? "Straw man" is the term, I believe.

Wouldn't that be a case of constructing your own opposing platform to argue against rather than arguing against the real one presented? "Straw man" is the term, I believe.

Yeah. It certainly would be.

I got the threads mixed up. Hey, I haven't gotten much sleep in the past few days...

Yeah. It certainly would be.

I got the threads mixed up. Hey, I haven't gotten much sleep in the past few days...


Oh, it's ok; it shows.

Oh, it's ok; it shows.

One post, yes (the book one). The rest were all for this argument.

Bushfish? Them's good eatin' with a little lemon and butter...or a nice delicate beer batter

It's simple, really. The religious right wants to re-write the constitution with their ideals in mind, which would severely limit civil liberties (especially to homosexuals and the like). Do we *really* want our liberties taken away?

Oh yeah, they'd probably make protests and constitutional ammendments illegal, too.

I love the letters page:


From: J Park (New York, NY)
Date: May 15, 2005

Brilliant concept and design. Although I think it looks much better if you rotate it 90
degrees counter-clockwise. Because, frankly... it looks just like a bomb with our
beloved President's name on it. I think we'll adopt your wonderful symbol for our next
anti-war campaign. And remember, imitation is purest flattery. Thanks again!

I love the letters page:

Haha, nice.

I need to add this fish to my collection!!! I love those fish! I only have two so far but will build on that as soon as I get home. Right now I have the standard Christian one and I have the standard Darwin one. I want a Cthulhu fish and any others I can get my hands on! Gonna cover the back of my car with them.

It's simple, really. The religious right wants to re-write the constitution with their ideals in mind, which would severely limit civil liberties (especially to homosexuals and the like). Do we *really* want our liberties taken away?

Oh yeah, they'd probably make protests and constitutional ammendments illegal, too.


That statement is outragious and doesn't even deserve to be responded to, but just for shits and giggles...

What possessed you to think the religious right wants to re-write the constitution? The same constitution you seem to think offers civil liberties to homosexuals. You really need to re-read the document since you seem to think you are gaurented rights which DO NOT EXSIST! Your best shot for civil liberties you make up is the ninth amendment but no where does NOT give you those liberties, it simply says that they cannot be taken away.

If anyone would want to re-write the constitution it would be the fanatics on BOTH ends of the spectrum. As far as religion is conserned it's my opinion that religious ideals are already imprinted in the constitution.

rofl

That statement is outragious and doesn't even deserve to be responded to, but just for shits and giggles...

What possessed you to think the religious right wants to re-write the constitution? The same constitution you seem to think offers civil liberties to homosexuals. You really need to re-read the document since you seem to think you are gaurented rights which DO NOT EXSIST! Your best shot for civil liberties you make up is the ninth amendment but no where does NOT give you those liberties, it simply says that they cannot be taken away.

If anyone would want to re-write the constitution it would be the fanatics on BOTH ends of the spectrum. As far as religion is conserned it's my opinion that religious ideals are already imprinted in the constitution.

Hmm, seems to me that by saying you can't have those rights taken away, it would be giving you said rights at the same time. What's the use in saying you can't have those rights taken away, when they never existed in the first place? Pffft.

And, what possessed me to think that the religious right wants to change our constitution to suit their ideals? Why, none other than my Christian Correspondence school books, straight from Lincoln, Illinois. Oh, and the countless televangelists and religious radio stations.

The same constitution you seem to think offers civil liberties to homosexuals....Your best shot for civil liberties you make up is the ninth amendment
...and the first, and the fourteenth.

The constitution grants civil liberties to American homosexuals because they Americans.

Did I ever say that we had complete civil rights in this shit country? Nope! And, what possessed me to think that the religious right wants to change our constitution to suit their ideals? Why, none other than my Christian Correspondence school books, straight from Lincoln, Illinois. Oh, and the countless televangelists and religious radio stations.

Okay lets think about this, 77% of the American poplation classifies themselves as christian (as of 2001). Of those what percentage do you really believe are televangelists that advocate the re-writing of the constitution? You know what, you're right, if one person does it their entire group must do that. I mean profiling like that has never gone wrong in the past, right?
Maybe it's just Lincoln, Illinois.

Time Cube!

Religion?!! Religious values in government!? Oh, God!!

"I'm telling you, mankind is a despicable little species." Those bastards, next thing you know they will say that killing unborn babies is wrong!


How dare anyone attempt to be patriotic and religious, did you see them, they even said "show your love for God and the USA." God and USA should never appear in the same sentence..

:rolleyes:

South Islands is correct, they are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are so don't resort to insulting them because of their values.

I wonder if this is all a joke. The website, everything. i feel that someday I may wake up from this nightmare...

First, "unborn baby" is an oxymoron, and "unborn fetus" is redundant.

Second, "God" and "US" appear too much in the same sentence. And these people aren't trying to "just be religious", they are trying to make all of us "godless heathens" conform to their stupidity and evil. They remember the good old days where you could just burn heretics at the stake, no questions asked :mp5:

Third, I don't recall anyone insulting "them". They merely said that the consitution (written by the Founding Fathers who are infinitely more wise than these zealots), said that there was to be a separation of church and state. This great thing is rapidly degrading. And, for once, we cannot blame it on a minority ("it's just them damn Hindus!!")

There was a time when people just kept their crazy superstitions to themselves. Now they tell me to keep my logic to myself while their "message" infects the Constitution.

:(

I can never understand why people become so dogmatic about ideas, any ideas. Be true to your convictions, remain flexible, listen to your opposition if only to better understand your foe.

He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak. Lao Tsu

(HA! How's that for monkish mumbo jumbo?) :D

Okay lets think about this, 77% of the American poplation classifies themselves as christian (as of 2001). Of those what percentage do you really believe are televangelists that advocate the re-writing of the constitution? You know what, you're right, if one person does it their entire group must do that. I mean profiling like that has never gone wrong in the past, right?
Maybe it's just Lincoln, Illinois.

Pulling things out of context has never been easier.

A bomb with Bush's name in it? I like it. I'll take a dozen.

I can never understand why people become so dogmatic about ideas, any ideas. Be true to your convictions, remain flexible, listen to your opposition if only to better understand your foe.

He who speaks does not know, he who knows does not speak. Lao Tsu

(HA! How's that for monkish mumbo jumbo?) :D

Wow. That is the one of the greatest things I have heard or read all day...

There are none so deaf as those that will not hear
-Lenin

I belive I have seen one of those on a parked car in town somewhere.....

A bomb with Bush's name in it? I like it. I'll take a dozen.

For every dozen you order, I shall order a dozen more.

i'll see your bet, and raise you a baker's dozen. :D

I believe in God, but I don't believe Bush represents my beliefs. I think the reason both the Bible and Constitution is deliberatly vague is to allow a degree of freedom, a bit of gray area is good. However there always will be people on the edge of it or have already jumped off and are rolling down the cliff, who try to push their ideals in my face. As long as they aren't going to violate the Constitution and force religion down people's throats I think it is best we just left them alone. Maybe if we ignore them they will lack attention and die.