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Bush has taught the world.....
Get nukes, then bluff.

Bush taught me that sometimes, despite the hype, a pretzel is more dangerous to the US than all the terrorists in the world.

He's taught the world that "he who has enough power can do anything he pleases".

Bush taught me that sometimes, despite the hype, a pretzel is more dangerous to the US than all the terrorists in the world.

If only it had been a bit more dangerous...

If only it had been a bit more dangerous...

Stow that chatter, sailor! That there is treason.

Stow that chatter, sailor! That there is treason.

...And?

He's taught the world that "he who has enough power can do anything he pleases".
Actually the Greeks taught us that, the Athenians particularly when they were talking to various city-states and warning them to sign favorable trade agreements with them... Read the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, it's great.

Bush, he reminded us of a few patriotic things in our history, like, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" and "I have not yet begun to fight."

Bush taught me that sometimes, despite the hype, a pretzel is more dangerous to the US than all the terrorists in the world.

Dangerous? That pretzel had a chance at saving the world!

He has taught the world that people are dumb. He has taught us that a leader can lie, cheat and bribe his way into office, can fake and falsify intelligence reports, can take apart the whole democratic system of government, can declare war on other countries for spurious reasons changed several times after the attack, and still get into office for another term.

"This hour of idiocy! If I had said to the people, jump out the fourth floor of Columbushaus, they would have done that too."

Bush taught me that one can be an abject failure for the majority of one's life and still become the most powerful man in the world. :)

Bush proved the consequences of rebelling against Uncle Ben. He defied the saying 'With great power comes great responsibility' and screwed up his international image and the American economy.

Bush taught me that one can be an abject failure for the majority of one's life and still become the most powerful man in the world. :)

So long as you've got *close* friends and relatives in power.

President Bush has taught us one thing.

A very dangerous man can get into the position of arguably the most influential politician in the world and endanger the whole world by bullying people into his warped idea that freedom only achievable with his support and anything he doesnt agree with is terrorism.

Bush has taught the world nothing that it didn't already know.

Bush has taught the world how screwed up they are, and didn't even pause to look at his own goddamn country.

Bush has taught the world how screwed up they are, and didn't even pause to look at his own goddamn country.

Or himself, for that matter.

bush taught me that cheating and lying works better than being honest and working hard. and i thought i was being a good citizen. damn. :(

Bush has taught the world how screwed up they are, and didn't even pause to look at his own goddamn country.

lol. true. but please, its not our fault our country sucks right now. dont blame all of america because our president is an idiot. blame the half of america that voted for him :D

lol. true. but please, its not our fault our country sucks right now. dont blame all of america because our president is an idiot. blame the half of america that voted for him :D

What he said.

lol. true. but please, its not our fault our country sucks right now. dont blame all of america because our president is an idiot. blame the half of america that voted for him :D
*blames the half that voted for Bush for the fact that all of America currently sucks* :p

Bush proved the consequences of rebelling against Uncle Ben.

wait, uncle ben? like this? http://www.almostvegan.com/archives/images/unclebenricepudding.gif

wait, uncle ben? like this? http://www.almostvegan.com/archives/images/unclebenricepudding.gif

Heh. Uncle Ben makes some damn good rice ;).

What did Bush teach the world? I can think of two things:

1. How crazy the American people can be!

2. How disdainful of the UN the US government can be when they don't get their way with the institution they helped create.

He's taught the world that "he who has enough power can do anything he pleases".
The world has been taught that too many times already. In theory that's why we have the UN that Bush wants to dismantle.

He has taught the world that people are dumb.

He has taught us that a leader can lie, cheat and bribe his way into office,

can fake and falsify intelligence reports

can take apart the whole democratic system of government,

can declare war on other countries for spurious reasons changed several times after the attack, and still get into office for another term.
1. Everyone already knew that people are dumb.

2. Bush wasn't the first to do this. He didn't teach it to us. He learned it.

3. Has been done before

4. To be fair, he didn't really do this. he was legitimately re-elected last year and he's going to leave office in 4 years.

5. yeah, sad isn't it?

The world has been taught that too many times already.

Sad, but true.

Bush taught the world that even a coke-head and a drunk can get into the white house with enough friends.

Please don't blame us! We tried!!! I would have voted, but I was underage!

*Cries.*

Bush has taught the world just what a disturbingly bloated military budget can do, and proved once again that war in the modern era is becoming to expensive to justify.
He's shown the world how a resistance can sucessfully frustrate a more technologically advanced and powerful invader and their plans to spread "McDemocracy" at the barrel of a gun.
Bush has provided a shining example to the rest of the world of exactly what not to allow into one's government.
He's given hope to millions around the world with stupidity or coke habits who thought they could NEVER be president. I say Tron '08!!!!
Oh yea, he's also taught the poor of this nation that their tax burden is far less important then that poor, suffering top 1%.
AND he's taught the world that there is no one better to serve in the UN than an individual who doesn't believe it exists. Lets find that guy in Ward 8 who doesn't beleive in Napoleon I, and make him a history professor :rolleyes: . He'll show that corrupt and arrogant history.

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Bush has taught the world.....
Get nukes, then bluff.
Off the tip of my gray matter ....
he's taught me that his mangling of english is about as catchy as the ubiquitous dipf*cks who can't seem to figure out how to wear a simple hat.
Case in point - last night's "24" episode where NO ONE pronounced the term "nuclear" as such. It was "nukyaler" this and "nukyaler" that. Bleah.
I'm sure i've got more but someone else is probably just a bit more miffed than myself at that prick.

Stow that chatter, sailor! That there is treason.
Wishes and pining aren't treasonous ... lest you want to go over the public statements of "rationale" regarding this whole goddamned Iraq debacle.
Speaking of Valerie Plame ...

Bush has taught the world.....


strategery.

Bush, he reminded us of a few patriotic things in our history, like, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" and "I have not yet begun to fight."
Don't you mean, "Damn the taxpayers, full deficit ahead!"?
And as for the last one, yeah, that quote came around back in that itchy 72-73 period where he couldn't make two of his flight physicals and thus got on down to Alabama and blew a congressman or two. For donuts.
Yeah, he hasn't begun to fight. He just yells and pouts and spends and has everyone else take it in the shorts for him. That's a good example of not fighting.

Bush taught me that one can be an abject failure for the majority of one's life and still become the most powerful man in the world. :)
Well said, again, Goofballs - a round of 95% Pain for everyone here?

Oh no, Bush choked on a pretzel? Wait, he's human? Oh my god, no! It's impossible!

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world. He has taught us that Americans don't want the twisted ideas of the left.

You guys are just immature Bush-bashers that listen to what your parents say. Go ask your mommy and daddy for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world.
Oh that's so cute. And pulled directly from one of Bush's own speeches. Back to reality, alright?

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world.

Actually, we learned that after WWII.

He has taught us that Americans don't want the twisted ideas of the left.

Well ... half of Americans anyway. Amazing how you people still seem to think that we live in a country where 51% can control 49%. Sad. Just sad. Maybe a civics lesson is in order for you, son. Go ask mommy and daddy who the "Founding Fathers" were and what they stood for. Extremely leftist/progressive ideals, you know. Scary things like "all men created equal" and "no tyrrany of the majority" and "civil disobedience" and all of those other things that the Wrong want to sweep under the carpet and hide from history.

strategery.
Oh, definately :D

Bush has taught me the value system of America. Lying about an affair? IMPEACH THE BASTARD! Lying about WMD's, getting out nation into a war that we had no buisness engaging in - FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Why is it 'cute'? Iraqis have been liberated from the oppression of the tyrant Saddam Hussein. They are no longer tortured and gassed. They are now free to choose their own leaders. Now come up with an intelligent response, or you can continue being immature.

Well ... half of Americans anyway. Amazing how you people still seem to think that we live in a country where 51% can control 49%. Sad. Just sad. Maybe a civics lesson is in order for you, son. Go ask mommy and daddy who the "Founding Fathers" were and what they stood for. Extremely leftist/progressive ideals, you know. Scary things like "all men created equal" and "no tyrrany of the majority" and "civil disobedience" and all of those other things that the Wrong want to sweep under the carpet and hide from history.
I doubt the founding fathers supported baby-killing.

Oh no, Bush choked on a pretzel? Wait, he's human? Oh my god, no! It's impossible!

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world. He has taught us that Americans don't want the twisted ideas of the left.

You guys are just immature Bush-bashers that listen to what your parents say. Go ask your mommy and daddy for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.

Yes, bush choked on his pretzel. And this is my theory. Bush's dog was right next to him. Now usually when someone chokes on something, the dog barks alot, and runs to get someone. However, in Bush's case, he choked on a pretzel like five times.

Therefore, the dog did try to get someone and bark like maybe....3 times and around the fifth, the dogs like, "Not worth the energy anymore. Fucking retard."

And quite frankly, you are on the conservative side. Where the slogan is, "Today, fuck tomorrow."

Bush has taught me the value system of America. Lying about an affair? IMPEACH THE BASTARD! Lying about WMD's, getting out nation into a war that we had no buisness engaging in - FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Makes you wanna stand up and salute the flag with a big, rock-hard, red white and blue boner, don't it?

God bless America. *sniff*

You guys are really making fools of yourselves. Can you not debate intelligently for 2 seconds?

yes. That no matter what the United Nations says if you believe different you can do whatever you want. Someday the world will pay for that when India in the best interests of their own nation launch nukes on Pakistan or vice versa, or China in the best interests of their own nation invade Taiwan despite that it is NOT best for humanity

When we think of humans as only being from our own nation instead of the world at large than we all lose. (and yes before people rip me for being a bleeding heart I do realize that Osama and Zarqawi are monsters however the US by their actions in the Gulf Wars et created them - not that that means that they are excused from their actions)

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I doubt the founding fathers supported baby-killing.

The Founding Fathers were smart enough not to tell people what the definition of a "baby" is, but rather decided to let people make up their own minds.

Those Commie/Leftist Founding Fathers just crawl under your skin, don't they?

You guys are really making fools of yourselves. Can you not debate intelligently for 2 seconds?

I gave my 2 seconds 7,000 posts ago.

I respect the founding fathers, and I am actually considered a liberal myself, but I do not support abortion.

I gave my 2 seconds 7,000 posts ago.
Post count doesn't mean anything.

You guys are really making fools of yourselves. Can you not debate intelligently for 2 seconds?
This is an example of your "version" of debate:

You guys are just immature Bush-bashers that listen to what your parents say. Go ask your mommy and daddy for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.

So expect what you give, else go back to your mommy and daddy and have them read to you again. "My Pet Goat" would do nicely.

I respect the founding fathers, and I am actually considered a liberal myself, but I do not support abortion.

Fine. Then don't have one. However, you have no right to tell anyone else what to do or how to choose. And, if you have a penis, you have no right to even have an opinion on this matter.

Post count doesn't mean anything.

I'm not saying it does. All I'm saying is you missed my 2 seconds. Deal.

The founding fathers said I have the right to an opinion, its called freedom of speech. I guess the fetus doesn't have an opinion either, even if that fetus would grow up and cure cancer.

Oh no, Bush choked on a pretzel? Wait, he's human? Oh my god, no! It's impossible!

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world. He has taught us that Americans don't want the twisted ideas of the left.

You guys are just immature Bush-bashers that listen to what your parents say. Go ask your mommy and daddy for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.
That's hilarious, given that my parents don't like discussing politics with me. I've taken a course in Geopolitics (which was college level) in the summer BEFORE my Freshman year in high school, and am a debator who therefore keeps up with political tides and platforms. I've learned almost nothing about world politics from my parents, only economics (my Dad is a wizard at economics, so most of my political discussions with him tend to revolve around that). I read, use the web, and watch the news; I am capable of forumlating my own opinions and understanding what is going on, and do so.

You are just a mentalli-immature Bush-touter who listens to what your propgandists say. Go ask Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Rielly for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.
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The founding fathers said I have the right to an opinion, its called freedom of speech. I guess the fetus doesn't have an opinion either, even if that fetus would grow up and cure cancer.

The Founding Fathers said that White Male land owners had the right to an opinion. A fetus is none of the above. Hence, no, a fetus does not have the right to an opinion.

Tell you what, though, go ask a fetus. I'll wait.

I'm not calling all of you immature, I'm calling most of the others immature. When the only way you can bash Bush is by saying he choked on a pretzel, you got some growing up to do.

I'll ask a fetus 10 years later when he's enjoying his right to life.

I'm not calling all of you immature, I'm calling most of the others immature. When the only way you can bash Bush is by saying he choked on a pretzel, you got some growing up to do.

I'll ask a fetus 10 years later when he's enjoying his right to life.

Uh, we're joking?

It's not funny.

I'll ask a fetus 10 years later when he's enjoying his right to life.

Ask the average 10 year old their opinion and they'll just ask for more Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

But that's not the point. You can't ask a 10 year old if they want to die any more than you can ask a fetus. There is no such thing as a "right to life". If there was, death itself would not exist.

Umm, why do you think murder is illegal? It's called the right to life.

I'm not calling all of you immature, I'm calling most of the others immature. When the only way you can bash Bush is by saying he choked on a pretzel, you got some growing up to do.

I'll ask a fetus 10 years later when he's enjoying his right to life.
I recommend that if you want to see what the more experienced posters on this forum have to say about Bush (note: 7000 posts ago) try punching up the archives and read what they've already had to say about what kind of schmendrick Bush is. THAT certainly isn't a new topic. Sometimes though, people don't want to repost, sometimes brevity is the soul of wit. Sometimes it's as succinct as that, someone painting "My Pet Goat" on an overpass before an election.

Why is it 'cute'? Iraqis have been liberated from the oppression of the tyrant Saddam Hussein.
It's cute because it's taken so directly from Bush's mouth. You don't even pretend to have your own opinions.

Seriously, I don't want to help a bunch of people who are blowing the shit out of our soldiers and or shouting death to america.

Like, fuck that.

It's cute because it's taken so directly from Bush's mouth. You don't even pretend to have your own opinions.
So I guess you're not going to respond to my argument?

I recommend that if you want to see what the more experienced posters on this forum have to say about Bush (note: 7000 posts ago) try punching up the archives and read what they've already had to say about what kind of schmendrick Bush is. THAT certainly isn't a new topic. Sometimes though, people don't want to repost, sometimes brevity is the soul of wit. Sometimes it's as succinct as that, someone painting "My Pet Goat" on an overpass before an election.
If they've said something already then that doesn't mean they should laugh at Bush for being human.

Seriously, I don't want to help a bunch of people who are blowing the shit out of our soldiers and or shouting death to america.

Like, fuck that.
That's only about 1% of them.

Why is it 'cute'? Iraqis have been liberated from the oppression of the tyrant Saddam Hussein. They are no longer tortured and gassed. They are now free to choose their own leaders. Now come up with an intelligent response, or you can continue being immature.

"No longer tortured and gassed."

Let me jog your memory: Abu Ghraib for the torture.
Dupleted Uranium Rounds which vaporise on impact.
MK-77 Firebombs, which aren't actually called napalm but behave in exactly the same way.

Where the hell have you been?

Umm, why do you think murder is illegal? It's called the right to life.

Because it is taking away something someone already had and possibly destroying other lives in the process - for example, the wife of the victim who must now find work and take care of three kids on her own.

A fetus is a parasite, dependent on the body of the mother. It is the mother's choice, and nobody else's, whether or not this parasite will come into the world fully formed, or removed prior to birth.

Only the mother may choose. Abortion has been legal in the United States for quite some time, you know, and the population continues to grow regardless of all the Wrong's slippery slope arguments to the contrary.

Now, lemme ask you ... do you appreciate your tax money going to feed the homeless and hungry? Do you like programs such as Food Stamps, AFDC, and other government gimmes?

If not, you're a hypocrite of the highest order and I'll thank you to turn in your liberal card.

It's not funny.
Actually, it is. Someone nearly choking on a pretzel requires quite a bit of ineptness, or just bad luck. Either way, so long as no one was seriously hurt, it's funny.

Abu Ghraib for the torture.
Hmm, 10 prisoners? Try thousands for Saddam.

Dupleted Uranium Rounds which vaporise on impact.
Which are fired at terrorists shooting at US soldiers.

MK-77 Firebombs, which aren't actually called napalm but behave in exactly the same way.
Same thing.

"No longer tortured and gassed."

Let me jog your memory: Abu Ghraib for the torture.
Dupleted Uranium Rounds which vaporise on impact.
MK-77 Firebombs, which aren't actually called napalm but behave in exactly the same way.

Where the hell have you been?
Have you forgotten about the Uzbekistan thing? Where we send people to avoid them being noticed, since Abu Grahib has been leaked? Now we keep them even more secret, in a plce known for TORTURING IT'S PEOPLE WITH BOILING. Yeah, they do that. So we send people who haven't even been properly charged with anything there. Of course, since *we* didn't do the torture, it gets a blind eye. And the 'liberal media' really jumped on that, right?

Now, lemme ask you ... do you appreciate your tax money going to feed the homeless and hungry? Do you like programs such as Food Stamps, AFDC, and other government gimmes?

In some cases, but in a lot of cases its lazy people who don't deserve our money.


A fetus is a parasite, dependent on the body of the mother.
We are parasties dependent on the earth.

Actually, it is. Someone nearly choking on a pretzel requires quite a bit of ineptness, or just bad luck. Either way, so long as no one was seriously hurt, it's funny.

True. Even the Shrub laughs about it. Dunno why Urusia can't.

Hmm, 10 prisoners? Try thousands for Saddam.


Which are fired at terrorists shooting at US soldiers.


Same thing.
Napalm doesn't really have a great control radius, especially since the terrorists tend to engage in urban warfare. Napalm isn't really that good in those instances.

And where's your proof of this? If Iraqi buildings were being demolished then trust me, the UN and media would be all over it.

In some cases, but in a lot of cases its lazy people who don't deserve our money.

For every aborted fetus that could have grown up to cure cancer, 100,000 would have grown up to suck off the State Teat.


We are parasties dependent on the earth.

And guess what ... the earth aborts us every one. Some of us very late term.

True. Even the Shrub laughs about it. Dunno why Urusia can't.
Because I don't laugh at the suffering of others?

Because I don't laugh at the suffering of others?

He's not suffering. If he can joke about it, so can I.

For every aborted fetus that could have grown up to cure cancer, 100,000 would have grown up to suck off the State Teat.
That's not true, not every baby is going to grow up to be a bum with no hope in life. Just because a mother might have to, God forbid, cancel her cell phone and internet service doesn't mean the child won't have an okay life.


And guess what ... the earth aborts us every one. Some of us very late term.
Actually our bodies just get to old.

We are parasties dependent on the earth.

Should it so choose, the earth has every right to abort us. But wait, it CAN'T. A parasite on a living being vs. a parasite on a source of material that isn't even organic itself is hardly the same thing. Besides, isn't it the 'compassionate conservatives' that are fighting hard to kill the environment? Like Bush's latest bill?

Should it so choose, the earth has every right to abort us. But wait, it CAN'T. A parasite on a living being vs. a parasite on a source of material that isn't even organic itself is hardly the same thing. Besides, isn't it the 'compassionate conservatives' that are fighting hard to kill the environment? Like Bush's latest bill?
I don't support Bush in that area, he's horrible. Don't generalize.

And where's your proof of this? If Iraqi buildings were being demolished then trust me, the UN and media would be all over it.
Napalm doesn't demolish buildings. Have you seen the pictures? Of children with melted skin in some areas? Of people dying from 'collateral damage'?

From where, Fahrenheit 9/11 or the Kurds after Saddam was through with them?

Actually, it is. Someone nearly choking on a pretzel requires quite a bit of ineptness, or just bad luck. Either way, so long as no one was seriously hurt, it's funny.

I, for one, think it would've been a hell of a lot funnier if he died.

From where, Fahrenheit 9/11 or the Kurds after Saddam was through with them?
Run a google image search for Iraq "collateral damage". And those terms aren't exactly terms used to describe it; less rightwing-propoganda terms will likely find you even more pictures.

Okay, now prove to me that those are real.

Have you forgotten about the Uzbekistan thing? Where we send people to avoid them being noticed, since Abu Grahib has been leaked? Now we keep them even more secret, in a plce known for TORTURING IT'S PEOPLE WITH BOILING. Yeah, they do that. So we send people who haven't even been properly charged with anything there. Of course, since *we* didn't do the torture, it gets a blind eye. And the 'liberal media' really jumped on that, right?

Dude, I'm on your side on this matter. I've posted on Uzbekistan on previous threads. I was picking the undisputed cases. I've seen his response, the guys an idiot.

That's not true, not every baby is going to grow up to be a bum with no hope in life. Just because a mother might have to, God forbid, cancel her cell phone and internet service doesn't mean the child won't have an okay life.

Look at the statistics on who gets abortions. The vast majority of cases involve some danger to the life of the mother. I could not imagine making that illegal.

However, take away the cases of medical concern and what are you left with? Those who electively abort because of their own personal reasons. Who does that? How many of them were to be born into middle-class homes with good incomes and plenty of opportunities versus those to be born into large, poverty-stricken families?

What's the verdict here? Where is the line drawn?

Unilateral illegation means rape victims, incest victims, and those who would die if they carried the child to term would basically be SOL. Not very nice. I'm sure the Founding Fathers never intended for men to be able to make babies with their daughters.

However, giving women the choice, meaning unilateral legalization, will lend itself to some who use abortion as birth control - with the exception being that getting on "the pill" is a lot cheaper than a monthly abortion, so that's really a stupid argument to make.

There are things in this country that are legal that I would very much like it not to be. However, when it comes to taking away a person's choice as to what to do with their bodies and to make decisions for their bodies without pressure from legislation or possible criminal action, I will never get behind it. I will say the same thing I said on the steps of the Texas Capital at a pro-choice rally a couple of months ago: "Not while I'm alive."

I think abortion should be allowed in the cases of rape, incest, or harm to the mother. However, what exactly does economically unable mean? Does it mean unable to provide food and clothing, or does it just mean you'll have to cut back on some convienences?

I think abortion should be allowed in the cases of rape, incest, or harm to the mother. However, what exactly does economically unable mean? Does it mean unable to provide food and clothing, or does it just mean you'll have to cut back on some convienences?

Only supported until third stage, where the fetus actually has a chance of living.

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Agreed 100% on this. And, look at it this way --- If these idiots were really pro-life, they'd try to ban condoms, the pill, and all other forms of contraception.

The way I see it, abortion is just like contraception... Albeit at a later stage.

I think abortion should be allowed in the cases of rape, incest, or harm to the mother. However, what exactly does economically unable mean? Does it mean unable to provide food and clothing, or does it just mean you'll have to cut back on some convienences?

I think that's up to the individual to decide. People say it's easy enough to just let the electricity go so you can feed your kids, but how are they supposed to cook with no power?

No telephone? Okie ... so what if an emergency arises. How do they call 911?

No internet? Fine, maybe, but what if the mother's job requires internet? What if she makes her living selling crafts on eBay? Cut off her internet and, well, bye bye income.

It's just not a black and white issue, man. Sometimes what one considers a "convenience" another would consider a "necessity". Nobody has the right to tell me what constitutes a "necessity" for me and/or my family. Nobody.

Agreed 100% on this. And, look at it this way --- If these idiots were really pro-life, they'd try to ban condoms, the pill, and all other forms of contraception.

The way I see it, abortion is just like contraception... Albeit at a later stage.
That's why the Catholic Church is against contraception (I'm Catholic) ;). I hate Protestants who criticize abortion and homosexuality but allow contraception.

Keruvalia: I don't mean phone, I mean cell phone. I don't really know what economically unable means, and I will have to do more research on the topic before I can draw a solid conclusion.

He's taught the world that "he who has enough power can do anything he pleases".

The world already knows that. That is why the world sucks ass.

The world already knows that. That is why the world sucks ass.

Yeah. Sad, isn't it?

Agreed 100% on this. And, look at it this way --- If these idiots were really pro-life, they'd try to ban condoms, the pill, and all other forms of contraception.


They'd also abolish the death penalty, war, repeal the 2nd amendment, the fur industry, the beef and poultry industries, completely illegalise cigarettes and alcohol, and take all the funding out of the military and put it in education and health care.

No ... these people are not "pro-life" ... they are anti-choice.

I think abortion should be allowed in the cases of rape, incest, or harm to the mother. However, what exactly does economically unable mean? Does it mean unable to provide food and clothing, or does it just mean you'll have to cut back on some convienences?

Abortions have always been performed and always will be. The only debate is where the abortions are to performed. In a safe, sterile, clinical setting or in a back alley with a knitting needle.

If you don't believe me, ask a nurse or surgeon from an emergency ward who was working before Roe vs. Wade. My mother, an operating room nurse personally witnessed dozens upon dozens of examples of the aftermath of back-alley abortions. She found the aftermaths so traumatic and disturbing that she accepted a job at a maximum security prison and found it less stressful than treating women with septisemic infections, perforated uterus and severed femoral arteries.

I'll reiterate. The debate isn't over whether abortions take place but where abortions take place.

They'd also abolish the death penalty, war, repeal the 2nd amendment, the fur industry, the beef and poultry industries, completely illegalise cigarettes and alcohol, and take all the funding out of the military and put it in education and health care.

No ... these people are not "pro-life" ... they are anti-choice.

Anti-choice is 100% correct. "Fuck you, we're going to try to force everyone to live the way WE want, regardless of public opinion!"

Keruvalia: I don't mean phone, I mean cell phone. I don't really know what economically unable means, and I will have to do more research on the topic before I can draw a solid conclusion.

Ah okie ... cell phone. Well, sometimes even that is a necessity. Where I live it certainly is. I can pay $60 a month for a landline or $30 a month and both me and my wife have a cell phone. Every circumstance is different, that's why choice must be left to the individual.

George W. Bush is the embodiment of the insane times we live in. He's a punchline. Clips of him talking are most at home in the monologues of late night comedy. He is unabashadly and unapologetically stupid, which mirrors the dumbing down of our Western intellectual life. He's a big, arrogant, American folly. Bush called our bluff. We'll never elect the president's idiot, cowboy hat-sporting son, will we? Turns out we did. Twice. America can't just invade some country for no reason! That's crazy! Well, that happened too; pray for the first and only time. We're a nation of contradictions, buying hummers when gas is $2.50/gallon (outrageous!) and dieting with McDonald's. The land of the evangelicals and the home of Hollywood degeneracy. George W. Bush is an American of his times.

George W. Bush is the embodiment of the insane times we live in. He's a punchline. Clips of him talking are most at home in the monologues of late night comedy. He is unabashadly and unapologetically stupid, which mirrors the dumbing down of our Western intellectual life. He's a big, arrogant, American folly. Bush called our bluff. We'll never elect the president's idiot, cowboy hat-sporting son, will we? Turns out we did. Twice. America can't just invade some country for no reason! That's crazy! Well, that happened too; pray for the first and only time. We're a nation of contradictions, buying hummers when gas is $2.50/gallon (outrageous!) and dieting with McDonald's. The land of the evangelicals and the home of Hollywood degeneracy. George W. Bush is an American of his times.

I was agreeing with you until I saw this! Way to contradict yourself.

I was agreeing with you until I saw this! Way to contradict yourself.

I was trying to explain that America, like Bush, is a contradiction. Are you disputing that America is both home to many evangelical Christians and the nation in which Hollywood, California is located?

I was trying to explain that America, like Bush, is a contradiction. Are you disputing that America is both home to many evangelical Christians and the nation in which Hollywood, California is located?

I just found it funny that you called it "degeneracy", when Evangelicals are the true degenerates. Does Hollywood want to force people to live by its own twisted "morals"? No.

They'd also abolish the death penalty, war, repeal the 2nd amendment, the fur industry, the beef and poultry industries, completely illegalise cigarettes and alcohol, and take all the funding out of the military and put it in education and health care.

No ... these people are not "pro-life" ... they are anti-choice.
The Catholic Church is also against the death-penalty. As for cigarretes and alchohol, it is undeniably their body, so they can do what they want with it. Everything else is animals, a better term for pro-life would be pro-human-life.

I was agreeing with you until I saw this! Way to contradict yourself.
I think he was highlighting the contradictions and extremes within American society, not contradicting his position. But you say potato....

The Catholic Church is also against the death-penalty. As for cigarretes and alchohol, it is undeniably their body, so they can do what they want with it. Everything else is animals, a better term for pro-life would be pro-human-life.
You only have 51 posts, so I'll excuse this on just not knowing these forums, but you just opened a can of worms. Because now we go into the debate on "is a fetus human yet or not?". Painful, and goes nowhere.

I just found it funny that you called it "degeneracy", when Evangelicals are the true degenerates. Does Hollywood want to force people to live by its own twisted "morals"? No.

Some evangelicals are definitely what I would call degenerate, but if the Simple Life , Fear Factor and Temptation Island aren't degenerate I don't know what is.

I think he was highlighting the contradictions and extremes within American society, not contradicting his position. But you say potato....

Well, if that's what he's doing, then I apologise. I just saw it differently.

Some evangelicals are definitely what I would call degenerate, but if the Simple Life , Fear Factor and Temptation Island aren't degenerate I don't know what is.

True, though that's a whole other kind of "degenerate" :p.

You only have 51 posts, so I'll excuse this on just not knowing these forums, but you just opened a can of worms. Because now we go into the debate on "is a fetus human yet or not?". Painful, and goes nowhere.
Post count doesn't make me an idiot. It might just be possible that I've been to other forums. :eek:

I seriously don't care about what he does anymore. That's all you hear about. He was peddling his bike in Maryland when a plane flew close to the white house and caused a panic for nothing. Odd, just odd.

Bush has effectively proven that by siding with a major religion, you can gain infinite power.

Bush taught me that anyone with a lot of money can become President, even a C student and a failed businessman.

The Lies that Kill
Why Isn't Bush in the Dock?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

George W. Bush and his gang of neocon warmongers have destroyed America's reputation. It is likely to stay destroyed, because at this point the only way to restore America's reputation would be to impeach and convict President Bush for intentionally deceiving Congress and the American people in order to start a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the US. America can redeem itself only by holding Bush accountable.

As intent as Republicans were to impeach President Clinton for lying about a sexual affair, they have a blind eye for President Bush's far more serious lies. Bush's lies have caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people, injured and maimed tens of thousands more, devastated a country, destroyed America's reputation, caused one billion Muslims to hate America, ruined our alliances with Europe, created a police state at home, and squandered $300 billion dollars and counting.

America's reputation is so damaged that not even our puppets can stand the heat. Anti-American riots, which have left Afghan cities and towns in flames and hospitals overflowing with casualties, have forced Bush's Afghan puppet, "president" Hamid Karzai, to assert his independence from his US overlords. In a belated act of sovereignty, Karzai asserted authority over heavy-handed US troops whose brutal and stupid ways sparked the devastating riots. Karzai demanded control of US military activities in Afghanistan and called for the return of the Afghan detainees who are being held at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Abundant evidence now exists in the public domain to convict George W. Bush of the crime of the century. The secret British government memo (dated July 23, 2002, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-15936), leaked to the Sunday Times (May 1, 2005), reports that Bush wanted:

"to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. . . . But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. . . . The [UK] Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorization. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult."

This memo is the mother of all smoking guns.

Why isn't Bush in the dock?

Has American democracy failed at home?

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

Source (http://counterpunch.com/roberts05172005.html)

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I'd like to see this happen, but it would've been so much sweeter if the pretzel killed him.

I'd like to see this happen, but it would've been so much sweeter if the pretzel killed him.

Naw, better for the world to see justice served. What I found astounding about the article is the person who wrote it. Reagans AS for the Treasury?
Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review? I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.

Naw, better for the world to see justice served. What I found astounding about the article is the person who wrote it. Reagans AS for the Treasury?
Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review? I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.

Yeah, I guess the justice thing would be sweeter. Pretzel death would be pure gold, though.

And yeah, I can't believe that people like that wrote something like this. Weird, isn't it?

That article is nothing but a heap of rhetoric.

That article is nothing but a heap of rhetoric.

And you sirrah are a heap of thread hijacking.

Yeah, I guess the justice thing would be sweeter. Pretzel death would be pure gold, though.

And yeah, I can't believe that people like that wrote something like this. Weird, isn't it?

If you go to the soure site and use the search engine you'll see he's been going on in this vein for quite a while now too.

If I can't get justice (which seems likely) then I'll go for the pretzel. I've been sending a bag a week to the White House since last November. If the Americans can't rid of dubya, a good neighbour from the north will.

If you go to the soure site and use the search engine you'll see he's been going on in this vein for quite a while now too.

If I can't get justice (which seems likely) then I'll go for the pretzel. I've been sending a bag a week to the White House since last November. If the Americans can't rid of dubya, a good neighbour from the north will.

Hmm...!

How about justice, THEN pretzel death?

He has taught me that even America can have a Caligula as a leader. Good grief.

Hmm...!

How about justice, THEN pretzel death?

Since the ICC doesn't do the death penalty pretzels would be the only way to get rid of him, either that or a 60 Jack and an Eightball of coke (his tolerance is probably low)

He has taught me that even America can have a Caligula as a leader. Good grief.

Nah, at least Caligula was intelligent before he went insane.

Since the ICC doesn't do the death penalty pretzels would be the only way to get rid of him, either that or a 60 Jack and an Eightball of coke (his tolerance is probably low)

Or send him some "sugar" and straws. You know what I mean.

And you sirrah are a heap of thread hijacking.
Oh, I didn't mean to disagree with you! :eek:

Oh, I didn't mean to disagree with you! :eek:

Yeah, you were just disagreeing. Yeeeeah.

That article is nothing but a heap of rhetoric.

You have a talent for stating the obvious. Are you saying that it is untrue? Or are you just dismissing it out of hand?

This tread is circling to a slow death. I am gonna state the obvious and say that neither of you are gonna convince each other, have you ever read that anybody would change their dogmatic views on a forum. Fat fuc*ing chance.
And I mean both sides.

Bush taught us all why his last name is just another word for pussy. Both stink by default.

Bush taught us all again that wars aren't won

Bush taught us all why his last name is just another word for pussy. Both stink by default.

Dude!!

Bush has taught America that if it does not do its own thinking, that some douchebag like him will do it for them.

Bush has taught the world that, I am, in fact, vastly superior to at least 51% of Americans.

Bush has taught the world what it is.

Oh no, Bush choked on a pretzel? Wait, he's human? Oh my god, no! It's impossible!

Bush has taught the world that justice and good can prevail in the darkest corners of the world. He has taught us that Americans don't want the twisted ideas of the left.

You guys are just immature Bush-bashers that listen to what your parents say. Go ask your mommy and daddy for a response now, or just come up with your own cheap ass response.

I have yet to see it prevail in Washington DC. And I have yet to see it prevail in Baghdad.

Go read some old Bush speeches to look for an adequate response now. Make sure not to copy the grammar mistakes.

Why is it 'cute'? Iraqis have been liberated from the oppression of the tyrant Saddam Hussein. They are no longer tortured and gassed.

They are no longer gassed by Iraqi oppressors.

They are now being shot by American liberators.

What a way to go!

Bush has taught us that electing crazy Texans into the position of most powerful man in the world is not a good idea...

Apologies if this is a repeat of a previous post, I can't be bothered to wallow through 9 pages...

Bush has taught the world.....

don't trust Americans.

don't trust Americans.
Bush has taught me that Orwell was right.
Pacifists really aren't pacifists - they're just people who hate the US unconditionally.

Bush has taught me that Orwell was right.
Pacifists really aren't pacifists - they're just people who hate the US unconditionally.
Good thing then that I'm not a pacifist.

Good thing then that I'm not a pacifist.
Actually, if Queensnight/day is any indication, you're not a warmonger either.

You're living the life of a hedonist.

That humans and fishes could live in harmony! :fluffle:

I know one thing, he taught me that if you're a failure and you have a rich dad who was previously president, you can become president too.

Has Bush taught the world anything?

Absolutely!!!

He has taught the world that a liar, a cheat, and a thief can be elected to the Presidency of (arguably) the most powerful nation in the world.

Judge Judy for President !!!

Has Bush taught the world anything?

Absolutely!!!

He has taught the world that a liar, a cheat, and a thief can be elected to the Presidency of (arguably) the most powerful nation in the world.

Liar? Hmm. WMD I guess is what you're saying. Bush didn't write the intel reports, especially the UN and Russian ones.

Well, the UN agreed that 1800 gallons of anthrax was unaccounted for. The UK and US and even the Russians agreed on that. Saddam wouldn't allow anyone to look for it.

After we took the country over, the woman who ran Saddam's biological program, Taha, told us that she dumped it into a trench near one of Saddam's palaces - without telling Saddam - in 1993. So Saddam still thought he had some, we thought he had some, and only she knew they didn't.

So I guess you're calling her a liar as well. Even though they did dig up the trench and find inactivated anthrax. Even though the co-workers who helped her dump it validated her story.

Cheat?

The laws were observed during both elections. The butterfly ballot that caused the confusion in Florida was designed by a Democrat and approved by a panel of Democrats. Wow - I guess you're saying that Bush controls the Democratic grass roots.

Steal?

Steal what? Show me the evidence that Bush is personally profiting from anything he's doing as President - other than his government salary.

You guys are really making fools of yourselves. Can you not debate intelligently for 2 seconds?


Bitter fools with immature barbs and lies. President Bush won. Get over it. You'll have another chance in a few years. Then see how well you feel with Hillary mounting you and having her way with you.

Has Bush taught the world anything?

Absolutely!!!

He has taught the world that a liar, a cheat, and a thief can be elected to the Presidency of (arguably) the most powerful nation in the world.


Cheating? Yes-like when you lie about exit polls to try to influence the vote? Oh-no-that was the other guy.

Bush taught us all why his last name is just another word for pussy. Both stink by default.


I'm sorry thats your experience with that part of the female anotomy. But given your opinion, I'm hardly surprised.

Bush has taught America that if it does not do its own thinking, that some douchebag like him will do it for them.


No-President Bush taught America that if it doesnt do its own thinking, some douchebags in France and Germany will.

No-President Bush taught America that if it doesnt do its own thinking, some douchebags in France and Germany will.
Yes, John Kerry was trying to teach us that the President of France is the de facto leader of the United States. Good thing I missed that lesson.

Yes, John Kerry was trying to teach us that the President of France is the de facto leader of the United States. Good thing I missed that lesson.


Maybe thats why more people voted for President Bush and not John Kerry.

Bush taught us all why his last name is just another word for pussy. Both stink by default.
funniest answer yet!

Bitter fools with immature barbs and lies. President Bush won. Get over it. You'll have another chance in a few years. Then see how well you feel with Hillary mounting you and having her way with you.
Apparently you aren't paying attention to Newt Gingrich and her already getting together to mount YOU as well. *poke*

So I guess you're not going to respond to my argument?


If they've said something already then that doesn't mean they should laugh at Bush for being human.


That's only about 1% of them.
The name is "Straughn". Good thing it's so easy to see, what with being in bold and on the side of the screen and all ....
I don't think you're making a good case for not laughing at him. His hubris and pigheaded dangerous arrogance keep many rocked back in a painful position and frankly you should hope all anyone does is laugh at the smarmy prick.

Bush has shown me that this country is divided as ever by political extremism on both sides; whether it be liberals who are so self-righteous in their hate of a limited executive presidency that they can ignore the real progress that has been made in the last 8 years in a region still reeling from the nationalist uprisings from European imperialism from 50 years back. Not to forget the right wing conservativism that believes we are infalliable, much less ole Georgey, or our image in the world.

Jesus. Get over the man. Hes not perfect, but I ask you to find any leader who ever has been. You all sound like the Republicans that were bitching and whining over Billy C. Neither's policy has been better or worse then the presidencies we've had in the recent decades; and they certainly dont/didnt wield imperial presidencies.

They are no longer gassed by Iraqi oppressors.

They are now being shot by American liberators.

What a way to go!
Then why isn't the media been all over it? Why aren't France, Germany, Russia, and the rest of Europe all over it? Why not the whole UN? It's obviously not happening. To think that American soldiers are in there killing innocent people on purpose is the height of ignorance.


The name is "Straughn". Good thing it's so easy to see, what with being in bold and on the side of the screen and all ....
I don't think you're making a good case for not laughing at him. His hubris and pigheaded dangerous arrogance keep many rocked back in a painful position and frankly you should hope all anyone does is laugh at the smarmy prick.
I see you've started with the flaming. If you can't debate, then don't make a fool of yourself.

Bush has shown me that this country is divided as ever by political extremism on both sides; whether it be liberals who are so self-righteous in their hate of a limited executive presidency that they can ignore the real progress that has been made in the last 8 years in a region still reeling from the nationalist uprisings from European imperialism from 50 years back. Not to forget the right wing conservativism that believes we are infalliable, much less ole Georgey, or our image in the world.

Jesus. Get over the man. Hes not perfect, but I ask you to find any leader who ever has been. You all sound like the Republicans that were bitching and whining over Billy C. Neither's policy has been better or worse then the presidencies we've had in the recent decades; and they certainly dont/didnt wield imperial presidencies.
Best post yet.

Bush taught me arithmetic.

Cant believe Urusia is still spouting.

Yeah I've been at my comp for 24 hours responding to everyone.

Hmm... I still don't get why people bother to get mad over anything anymore; its not like anyone else cares what you have to say because, we all know that you, yourself, are always 100% right and no one else can possible be even alittle bit correct... no no no..

Anyways, that was directed towards everyone, not just you conservatives.

To answer the question though
Bush has taught me that not admitting to any of your mistakes makes it so that those mistakes weren't actually mistakes.

BTW, I would much rather have Hilary riding me than some conservative hyprocrite pouring raw sewage down my throat. Idealy I would have neither but I will still go with Hilary over the sewage ANY day.

Bush taught the world that people are extremely biased. :rolleyes:

he's taught me that americans must be quite daft to vote him in twice . also he's taught me that where the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country really needs him?

Yeah I've been at my comp for 24 hours responding to everyone.
I would bet a few of those hours would be better spent researching the topics you spout off about ... like, for example, the Patriot Act.

The name is "Straughn". Good thing it's so easy to see, what with being in bold and on the side of the screen and all ....
I don't think you're making a good case for not laughing at him. His hubris and pigheaded dangerous arrogance keep many rocked back in a painful position and frankly you should hope all anyone does is laugh at the smarmy prick.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Straughn
The name is "Straughn". Good thing it's so easy to see, what with being in bold and on the side of the screen and all ....I don't think you're making a good case for not laughing at him. His hubris and pigheaded dangerous arrogance keep many rocked back in a painful position and frankly you should hope all anyone does is laugh at the smarmy prick.

[QUOTE=Urusia] I see you've started with the flaming. If you can’t debate, then don’t make a fool of yourself.[/QUOTE=Urusia]
Flaming? Correcting you is flaming? While you're doing research on topics you should get a dictionary as well. You can't debate something you obviously know little to nothing about - case in point.
Oh, and further on the topic (as from my quote above) ....

Grenade Near Bush in Tbilisi Now Found to Be Live
By STEVEN LEE MYERS
Published: May 19, 2005
MOSCOW, May 18 - A hand grenade found in the crowd 100 feet from President Bush as he gave a speech in Georgia last week posed a greater threat than officials first suggested, American and Georgian investigators announced Wednesday.
The grenade, initially described as a harmless dud or training device, was in fact a live explosive that someone threw while Mr. Bush addressed tens of thousands of Georgians in Tbilisi on May 10 with President Mikheil Saakashvili at his side, the American Embassy's legal attaché, Bryan Paarmann of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
Only a malfunction averted what could have been a deadly attack, Mr. Paarmann said.
"We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of both the president of the United States and the president of Georgia, as well as the multitude of Georgian people that had turned out at this event," Mr. Paarmann said in the statement, released by the embassy in Tbilisi. Georgian officials said previously that the grenade, at a distance of 100 feet and amid a teeming crowd, would not have harmed the men even if it had exploded.
It remains unclear whether the grenade was aimed at Mr. Bush or Mr. Saakashvili or was simply intended as a deadly disruption of what turned out to be an ebullient event. An estimated 150,000 people thronged the city's Freedom Square and greeted Mr. Bush rapturously.
Appearing with Georgia's deputy minister of internal affairs, Bidzina Bregadze, Mr. Paarmann said an investigation into the incident continued. They announced a reward of more than $11,000 for information leading to an arrest and appealed to any Georgians who might have seen the incident or taken photographs or video of it to come forward.
The announcement suggested an embarrassing - and potentially scandalous - lapse of security by Georgian officials and the Secret Service. Although spectators were funneled through metal detectors, the sheer numbers overwhelmed the security measures, and thousands flowed into the square with no more than visual checks.
Georgian officials, who announced the discovery of the grenade after Mr. Bush left Georgia, initially played down its import, saying it had not been thrown and was not live.
Mr. Paarmann, however, said the grenade had been "tossed in the general direction of the main stage" and fell within 100 feet of where Mr. Bush was speaking. The grenade was wrapped in a dark handkerchief.
He did not mention any suspects or motives. Georgia, however, is riven by two separatist regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, whose leaders are close to Russia and despise Georgia's leaders. Mr. Saakashvili, despite his popularity, has also stoked enmity with his aggressive policies since becoming president in 2004.
Mr. Bush is typically protected by rings of security that get more stringent the closer to him they are. On the stage in Tbilisi, he was at least partly protected by sheets of what seemed to be bulletproof glass, though they were not directly in front of him.
Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said Mr. Bush was informed Tuesday night of the findings of the investigation, and that he received more details on Wednesday morning in his intelligence briefing.
Asked to describe Mr. Bush's reaction, Mr. McClellan did not respond directly. "We want to see the results of the investigation and know more about what the facts are," he said. He said the Secret Service was "looking into" questions about whether security at the event was adequate. Mr. Bush has full trust in the Secret Service, he added.
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George W. Bush has taught me that the secret to attraction is to love yourself. Attractive people judge neither themselves nor others. They are open to gestures of love. They think about love, and express their love in every action. They know that love is not a mere sentiment, but the ultimate truth at the heart of the universe. No... wait. That was off my Starbuck's coffee cup. Nevermind.

Bush has taught me that I live in a blatant hypocrisy and that clearly no one who voted for him has any intelligence or chooses to ignore the world around them. He has taught me we can go to war on grounds of wmds, the public find out its false, and then try to change the reason behind the war to liberating a people and yet he is friends enough with a Saudi prince to hold his hand at his ranch. A Saudi prince where in their country the people are being oppressed, where the have no form of democracy, where men are killed or whipped for being gay, where women are second class citizens.......other than showing me how blind the country is.......he has shown me this hypocrisy. O yes

if bush has thaught us nothing else, and he hasn't, it can be summarized as 'Nothing good ever comes from texas'.

Bush has taught me to laugh. Mostly at Urusia (at least Lickers can argue).

he's taught me that americans must be quite daft to vote him in twice . also he's taught me that where the hell is Lee Harvey Oswald when his country really needs him?
If you knew anything, you would know that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it.

Well they never found a terribly convincing alternative. Really we want Booth back but since I'm not sure Bush does theatre (except when he's on stage)...

Yeah.

Actually, if Queensnight/day is any indication, you're not a warmonger either.

You're living the life of a hedonist.
What does queensnight/day have anything to with that?