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Hi there, I've recently bought a copy of DarkBASIC, and I have a few questions:

1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

2. As a BASIC programmer (in training, if you will),would you say I was a nerd, a geek or something else? If something else, what?

3. I was thinking of writing an RPG. Most RPGs I've played have a general plot like this:
"You start out doing something small, [plot twist here that is only explained near the end if ever], usually do a quest, this quest leads to you somehow saving the world [add another twist near the end]"

My idea is this:
"You work as a guard in King Somethingorothers' castle, his daughter has taken ill and is in an unwakeable sleep (coma, but they don't know that), so the King asks the people of the kingdom to find a cure for her. For some reason (don't know why yet) you decide to find the cure."

Obviously, I would think you find the cure, then save the world, but my creative juices have ran dry. Please, give me ideas (full credit will be given if I use them). Any suggestions are appreciated!

Thank you. I love you all. (Well, I can make an exception for Gaston Glock, after yesterdays' mess)

2) No. Not yet.
3) In your search for the cure (which you'll have to follow a number of leads for, since obviously the first place you look won't be the location, and going to certain places will help you gain abilities that let you access other places) you are jumped upon by a bandit who's been hired to take from you a necklace that's a memento of your mother/fiancee/childhood friend/ex-wife. He follows you around, battling you a couple of times before eventually taking it to his master (just after having found the cure for the princess) who it transpires is collecting a set of 5 (or any single-digit figure) magical gems that grant untold magical power and now has 2 (or any other single digit figure at least 1 less than the total). So, your objective changes to stopping the villian. You're unsuccessful stopping him getting the gems, and the last gem turns out to belong to the princess who you manage to cure but who gets kidnapped. Big showdown against the now supercharged evil villian (helped by the thief who left his master's cause after an epithany and several other minor characters you bump into along the way, each with their own quirky personality trait), the world is saved from near destruction and all ends happily ever after.

Booya! Square Enix'll have me yet. ^^

For the final cure, the most beautiful woman in the kingdom should kiss the princess. What a great ending FMV that would be, eh?

1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

Because basic is viewed as being.. well.. basic ;) Not suited to make serious applications. Primarily used by people that do not really know what they are doing (yet). Using horrible constructs like the goto and producing unnessary bloated programs when compiled.
Most of these points are not really valid anymore - though the actual comprehending of what you are doing on machinelevel, or even when viewed as an object oriented construction, is still not ideal in basic. However, if you just want to make something that works quickly, and do not care it is not as fast as it could have been since it is run on a 3 Ghz machine anyway - the modern basics do fine. But many will not see that as 'real' programming.

1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

Well, I went to Computer Camp last summer, and I learned QBasic there. Quite simply, it's useless for programming, and only good as a learning tool. We have to get a certain amount through QBasic at National Computer Camp before you can do other (better) programming languages like C++.

Basic is easy to learn, and it teaches you certain logic skills you need for higher level programming. It is, essentially, like learning how to add and subtract. Once calculators were created, they no longer were necessary (or even have much of a use), but help you out on more abstract mathematical concepts.

3) In your search for the cure (which you'll have to follow a number of leads for, since obviously the first place you look won't be the location, and going to certain places will help you gain abilities that let you access other places) you are jumped upon by a bandit who's been hired to take from you a necklace that's a memento of your mother/fiancee/childhood friend/ex-wife. He follows you around, battling you a couple of times before eventually taking it to his master (just after having found the cure for the princess) who it transpires is collecting a set of 5 (or any single-digit figure) magical gems that grant untold magical power and now has 2 (or any other single digit figure at least 1 less than the total). So, your objective changes to stopping the villian. You're unsuccessful stopping him getting the gems, and the last gem turns out to belong to the princess who you manage to cure but who gets kidnapped. Big showdown against the now supercharged evil villian (helped by the thief who left his master's cause after an epithany and several other minor characters you bump into along the way, each with their own quirky personality trait), the world is saved from near destruction and all ends happily ever after.

Booya! Square Enix'll have me yet. ^^

Brilliant! It's detailed yet simple! Anyone could build on this! Square Enix should sign you up right away!

For the final cure, the most beautiful woman in the kingdom should kiss the princess. What a great ending FMV that would be, eh?

Not sure if I could do such a complex animation. Not without it looking stupid at any rate!

Because basic is viewed as being.. well.. basic ;) Not suited to make serious applications. Primarily used by people that do not really know what they are doing (yet). Using horrible constructs like the goto and producing unnessary bloated programs when compiled.
Most of these points are not really valid anymore - though the actual comprehending of what you are doing on machinelevel, or even when viewed as an object oriented construction, is still not ideal in basic. However, if you just want to make something that works quickly, and do not care it is not as fast as it could have been since it is run on a 3 Ghz machine anyway - the modern basics do fine. But many will not see that as 'real' programming.

Okay, so I don't like to perform the arcane art of assembly programming! What's wrong with that?

I was thinking of doing something similar to the GFs in Final Fantasy which I would call "Familiars". Like in FF8, you join the familar to the character and that affects your stats. However, you can only have one familar "joined" to a character (I say joined but I'm sure there's a better word). The familiar can be summoned in battle, just like Final Fantasy. Comments, please.

By the way, Kamsaki, what's your name in RL? It looks better it in the credits. If you don't want people to know for any reason, just send a TG to me. Yes, I'm going for that story. It's very good. I mmay make the odd tweak as to the number of sacred gems.

N.B You can still make suggestions i.e should it be turn-based or real-time combat, what stats, spells, weapons should there be et cetera.

One thing that a great story needs is motivations for the characters. "Just because" doesn't work.

You could do something simple, like the reason the protagonist (the lowly guard) decides to try to find the cure is that he's secretly been in love with her for (insert ammount of time here). If the ammount of time is (childhood), then it could be that they were secret childhood friends (the protagonist was the son of a castle employee and he and the "princess" were secret childhood friends and played together, etc.).

Also, most good RPG stories have some element of the "good vs evil" conflict. Maybe the cure could be in the posession of the king of an enemy country. This could lead to elements of diplomacy (to avoid full scale war once it's found out that the enemy holds the cure and doesn't want to give it up) or just adds the element of more quests (given to you by the enemy king in order to gain the cure), and even betrayal (by the king who refuses to give up the cure even after you have completed the quests, leading to the big boss fight at the end that is required for nearly all RPG games).

Remember, good story can lead to good game design, but incredible game design will not save a game from a bad story.

Basic? Why would you use Basic?

One thing that a great story needs is motivations for the characters. "Just because" doesn't work.

You could do something simple, like the reason the protagonist (the lowly guard) decides to try to find the cure is that he's secretly been in love with her for (insert ammount of time here). If the ammount of time is (childhood), then it could be that they were secret childhood friends (the protagonist was the son of a castle employee and he and the "princess" were secret childhood friends and played together, etc.).

Also, most good RPG stories have some element of the "good vs evil" conflict. Maybe the cure could be in the posession of the king of an enemy country. This could lead to elements of diplomacy (to avoid full scale war once it's found out that the enemy holds the cure and doesn't want to give it up) or just adds the element of more quests (given to you by the enemy king in order to gain the cure), and even betrayal (by the king who refuses to give up the cure even after you have completed the quests, leading to the big boss fight at the end that is required for nearly all RPG games).

Remember, good story can lead to good game design, but incredible game design will not save a game from a bad story.

Brilliant. This RPG just gets better. Truly, its designed by the people, for the people. Or something anyway.

Basic? Why would you use Basic?

It's all I:
1. could afford. (20 pounds in P.C World)
2. could find
3. have any experience with (we used VisualBASIC in school, so I assumed that DarkBASIC would be similar)

Also, instead of basic, I suggest you look for open source solutions. Freshmeat.net is a great place to start, and this list has a TON of game creation software. I'm sure something in there is open source/relatively cheap.

http://www.ambrosine.com/resource.html

Also, here's another list:

http://www.gamediscovery.com/game-design/game-design-software.asp

Also, instead of basic, I suggest you look for open source solutions. Freshmeat.net is a great place to start, and this list has a TON of game creation software. I'm sure something in there is open source/relatively cheap.

http://www.ambrosine.com/resource.html

Thanks. Oh, and by the way:

Remember, good story can lead to good game design, but incredible game design will not save a game from a bad story.

I beg to differ. The story in FF8 (amongst others) was terrible, but it somehow worked.

I beg to differ. The story in FF8 (amongst others) was terrible, but it somehow worked.
I never understood the fascination with the FF series, so I wouldn't know. ;)

I never understood the fascination with the FF series, so I wouldn't know. ;)

When the series started out, it was something new. Here, at last, were characters who you cared about. I suppose it just caught on from there. Every game after the 9th has been so expensieve no-one played it. I can't see the series surviving too long, unless the do a game with a story like that of FF7, the price tag if FF8 and the graphics of the movie (which I never saw).

To get back on topic, has anyone out there got suggestions towards the game? Especially in the combat department, and my idea of familiars.

N.B I am aware that the "familiar" thing has been done before, but I decided to have 1 man: 1 familiar. Never seen that before.

Well, I went to Computer Camp last summer, and I learned QBasic there.

¿QBasic? ¿As in DOS3.3, 1988 QBasic? I hope not!

Anyway, you're right in that Basic is good to teach the rudiments of programming, but lacks power and structure for larger projects.

Modern Basics have incorporated a lot from other languages that make them very powerful and much better than your plain vanilla Basic, but many programmers still find it somewhat cumbersome and limited in the long run.

In the end, it's all down to your personal programming style and the project you have in mind.

In the end, it's all down to your personal programming style and the project you have in mind.

Since I'm only doing a 2D RPG right now, I don't want to spend hundreds of pounds on a code. DarkBASIC is adequate for what I plan to do (and probably anything I do in the future).

Basics the only language I even vaguely understand, but I admit I rarely have the patience to bother trying harder.

Still, it seems like it'd be useful for making simple programs, and as pointed out earlier, learning, and it has it's place in the world.

The only real problems with BASIC is that many flavours of it are expensieve and also that its seen as the programming equivalent of breastfeeding.

Since I'm only doing a 2D RPG right now, I don't want to spend hundreds of pounds on a code. DarkBASIC is adequate for what I plan to do (and probably anything I do in the future).
That's ok. But if you'd like to experiment in the future, there are very good free and open source alternatives for almost every language out there.

1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

2. As a BASIC programmer (in training, if you will),would you say I was a nerd, a geek or something else? If something else, what?

1. BASIC is, well, basic. The problem is that there are arrogant people among all communities, programmers or not. It does serve as a decent teaching language, but I would prefer and recommend Pascal to BASIC for education purposes, as the former teaches better programming practices.

That said, to this day I still use QBasic (MS QBASIC 4.5) to prototype code for C++/C#/Java. Before I started working with C family languages, I did quite a bit of BASICA, QBasic, and Turbo Pascal coding. :)

2. Just BASIC? Nah. ;) But you'll get there.

As for 3., I'm afraid I'm too sleep deprived to be coherent enough to be helpful. Having done a fair amount of coding and RPG related coding, though, I'll try to contribute sometime.

That's ok. But if you'd like to experiment in the future, there are very good free and open source alternatives for almost every language out there.

I shall keep an eye out for them in future if I want to create something that can rival Dungeon Siege in terms of visuals. Until then, I shall keep on sucking that nipple! :)

Having done a fair amount of coding and RPG related coding, though, I'll try to contribute sometime.

Please do. All contributions are welcome, and if I take them on board I will give a special "Thank You" in the credits, so all can appreciate your genius.

Ah well, got to leave soon. Please, if you want to contribute your ideas, send me a telegram. Thank you! :)

Hi there, I've recently bought a copy of DarkBASIC, and I have a few questions:

Why didn't you get DarkBASIC Pro? It's better.


1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

The B in BASIC stands for "Beginner's" - it's not a very well structured language, and is something one uses because its easy, not because they want to do good things with it. By comparison, C++ is difficult, but you can do a lot more with it, and it's far more efficient.


2. As a BASIC programmer (in training, if you will),would you say I was a nerd, a geek or something else? If something else, what?

As a programmer myself, I think programming in anything makes you a geek.


3. I was thinking of writing an RPG. Most RPGs I've played have a general plot like this:
"You start out doing something small, [plot twist here that is only explained near the end if ever], usually do a quest, this quest leads to you somehow saving the world [add another twist near the end]"

RPG's are very difficult to make. Start with pong.

Why didn't you get DarkBASIC Pro? It's better

Two reasons:
1. Couldn't afford it.
2. Wasn't going to wait and save up for a bunch of 3D features I would never use.

RPG's are very difficult to make. Start with pong.

Well, actually, I've decided to write up the maps, draw interface screens et cetera before I start writing the code. Because of the length of time needed to make all the paperwork, I'n sure I can build a couple of simple games in the meantime.

Anyone uses BASIC anymore??? Wow, that's news to me. What ever for?

I don't get the idea of "teaching languages" that have no practical application outside a classroom. All you wind up doing is teach people to 'think' in a language they'll never use, and under-prepare them for the real challenges they'll face. Better to teach them C first; you'll ground them in a language and syntax that is widely used, give them a good understanding of how computers actually work at the machine level, and separate the wheat from the chaff (get rid of those who wouldn't really be up to the task of 'real' programming but might make it through a course in a really simplistic language). Plus it's easy to move from C to C++ or Java when it comes time to deal with more abstract constructs.

Anyone uses BASIC anymore??? Wow, that's news to me. What ever for?

Sure they do - Visual basic is quite popular for instance. Main reason is that it is extremely easy to make windows programs with that.

Sure they do - Visual basic is quite popular for instance. Main reason is that it is extremely easy to make windows programs with that.

I sometimes get the feeling Windows was written with BASIC.

Hi there, I've recently bought a copy of DarkBASIC, and I have a few questions:

1. Why do people laugh at BASIC programmers?

2. As a BASIC programmer (in training, if you will),would you say I was a nerd, a geek or something else? If something else, what?

3. I was thinking of writing an RPG. Most RPGs I've played have a general plot like this:
"You start out doing something small, [plot twist here that is only explained near the end if ever], usually do a quest, this quest leads to you somehow saving the world [add another twist near the end]"

My idea is this:
"You work as a guard in King Somethingorothers' castle, his daughter has taken ill and is in an unwakeable sleep (coma, but they don't know that), so the King asks the people of the kingdom to find a cure for her. For some reason (don't know why yet) you decide to find the cure."

Obviously, I would think you find the cure, then save the world, but my creative juices have ran dry. Please, give me ideas (full credit will be given if I use them). Any suggestions are appreciated!

Thank you. I love you all. (Well, I can make an exception for Gaston Glock, after yesterdays' mess)

Why are you choosing to do it in basic? There is a lot more options to play with in C++ or VB or any of the other mass of languages

(Now I have only done a couple different forms of basic if I remember there is nothing like true functions … rather you have to use a mass of those icky goto statements)

And without the correct functions that makes recursion a pain if not truly impossible


On top of that is it not interpreted rather then compiled? (at least the ones I used were … but it has been almost 5 years sense I have touched basic)

Anyways my recommendation is to learn C or c++ :)

That said, to this day I still use QBasic (MS QBASIC 4.5) to prototype code for C++/C#/Java. Before I started working with C family languages, I did quite a bit of BASICA, QBasic, and Turbo Pascal coding. :)
I started out on Commodore Basic.

<-- geek :p

Why are you choosing to do it in basic? There is a lot more options to play with in C++ or VB or any of the other mass of languages

(Now I have only done a couple different forms of basic if I remember there is nothing like true functions … rather you have to use a mass of those icky goto statements)

And without the correct functions that makes recursion a pain if not truly impossible


On top of that is it not interpreted rather then compiled? (at least the ones I used were … but it has been almost 5 years sense I have touched basic)

Anyways my recommendation is to learn C or c++ :)

As I belive I have said before, I could not find anything else, especially on my budget!

And I do belive DarkBASIC uses a compiler, but I'm unsure.

As I belive I have said before, I could not find anything else, especially on my budget!

And I do belive DarkBASIC uses a compiler, but I'm unsure.
C and C++ Java … and a bunch of the others are free all you need is the compiler (which is free)

All this bitching about my choice of program (I say choice, but it was the best in a field of one) makes me feel rather redundant, especially when you consider that there has been more bitching about BASIC than there is suggestions about the game! :(

Sure they do - Visual basic is quite popular for instance. Main reason is that it is extremely easy to make windows programs with that.

I know. I was referring to non-Visual Basic Basics ;) I know VB remains popular, I've even used it myself a little (not by choice, though); but the other flavors I haven't heard of being used in... the entire 7 years I've been programming. My only explanation is that there must be some small remaining enclave of resistance out there somewhere trying to hold on to the old ways.

'Course, VB is doomed itself. VB.Net, I mean c'MON..

I know. I was referring to non-Visual Basic Basics ;) I know VB remains popular, I've even used it myself a little (not by choice, though); but the other flavors I haven't heard of being used in... the entire 7 years I've been programming. My only explanation is that there must be some small remaining enclave of resistance out there somewhere trying to hold on to the old ways.

'Course, VB is doomed itself. VB.Net, I mean c'MON..

I agree that VB is doomed. It's too bloody pricey!

All this bitching about my choice of program (I say choice, but it was the best in a field of one) makes me feel rather redundant, especially when you consider that there has been more bitching about BASIC than there is suggestions about the game! :(
Sorry we are geeks :)

Sorry we are geeks :)

Apology accepted. I myself could end up doing similar one day if anyone starts up a thread and mentions their TFT monitor.

Don't worry about the bitching. Programming languages are rather like car manufacturers.

"What do you mean you bought a Ford, they're crap etc."

So long as it does what you want it to do, then it is fine.

(I started programming in Fortran 66 and Cobol, I have also programmed in about 15 other languages including qbasic, c++, java, lisp, pascal, and some more obscure stuff such as prolog. No one language is the best, use what you like, know and does what you want.)

Combat:
How complex do you want this to be to program? What kind of interface controls do you intend to use? I personally like combat in a RPG to be simple easy and not impossible to win with. I prefer to concentrate on the story line and the overall action, rather than on whether I beat attack in sixte or I lunge in primo. I like the idea of having a basic list of attack/defence options depending on the weapon. (Stab, slash, parry with a short sword, for example) and there to be a matrix of interactions giving hit chances (Attack ability vs defence ability modified by the choices of the use of the wepon) and then damage calculation (weapon, skill, strength, option, armour, evasion as factors. Spells (if used) would be a weapon type to keep the programming clean.

Familiars: Control problems of simultaneous control by the player of the character and the familiar. Suggest how to overcome this before including the idea.

Apology accepted. I myself could end up doing similar one day if anyone starts up a thread and mentions their TFT monitor.
Oh hardware geek?

Oh hardware geek?

Yes, to a degree. I'm going on a course to improve my knowledge of hardware, as although I can make recomendations on hardware to a point, I can't actually wire in new hardware. Right now there is a 60 Gig Maxtor Hard Drive lying dead in my computer, and I don't know what's happened!

Remember, even Kevin Mitnick and Bill Gates had to start somewhere!

Yes, to a degree. I'm going on a course to improve my knowledge of hardware, as although I can make recomendations on hardware to a point, I can't actually wire in new hardware. Right now there is a 60 Gig Maxtor Hard Drive lying dead in my computer, and I don't know what's happened!
Well then you will be interested in my new comp : (Ill post pictures when I get home to it) built it on Tuesday

Dual (2) Opterons (model 246)2/0 GHZ
2 GB corsair ECC and Registered 3200 (400 mhz) ram
160 GB Hitachi SATAII (3gbps!!!) HDD
Saphire Radion x700PRO card
Asus MOBO that supports up to 26 GB ram … 8 SATA2 ports (all with a built in promise raid card(5))… up to 16 USB2.0 ports
Dual Gigabit Ethernet

Hehehehe I love my new baby

Remember, even Kevin Mitnick and Bill Gates had to start somewhere!
Bah mitnick was a glorified con man :) (sorry true white hat here) He was good at social engineering but week on theory

Once you do your first tcp flag switching and response gauging you will see :)
hehehe

Well then you will be interested in my new comp : (Ill post pictures when I get home to it) built it on Tuesday

Dual (2) Opterons (model 246)2/0 GHZ
2 GB corsair ECC and Registered 3200 (400 mhz) ram
160 GB Hitachi SATAII (3gbps!!!) HDD
Saphire Radion x700PRO card
Asus MOBO that supports up to 26 GB ram … 8 SATA2 ports (all with a built in promise raid card(5))… up to 16 USB2.0 ports
Dual Gigabit Ethernet

Hehehehe I love my new baby

Excuse me whilst I change my underpants! :eek:

Excuse me whilst I change my underpants! :eek:
Hehehehe I am a hardware geek too ;) (that and networking) my experience in programming while extensive is not really my focus (I mean I have done C C++ VB Java Perl ASP PHP and a few other random languages)

Hehehehe I am a hardware geek too ;) (that and networking) my experience in programming while extensive is not really my focus (I mean I have done C C++ VB Java Perl ASP PHP and a few other random languages)

Programming isn't my cup of tea either (hint: BASIC), mainly because my chosen career path requires no prgramming. Said career path is computer security. Looks like I'll have to brush up on both hardware and software. (The main reason I prefer hardware is that it's easier to throw out the window!)

Programming isn't my cup of tea either (hint: BASIC), mainly because my chosen career path requires no prgramming. Said career path is computer security. Looks like I'll have to brush up on both hardware and software. (The main reason I prefer hardware is that it's easier to throw out the window!)
Hey security geek here as well (focus on networks security)
I got my masters in network modeling and simulation with another masters (just got it this last week) in Computer Information Security

Hey security geek here as well (focus on networks security)
I got my masters in network modeling and simulation with another masters (just got it this last week) in Computer Information Security

I prefer security for basic home users. If everyone had decent security, scum like script kiddies would be driven out! That's what I belive!

N.B Where did you go for your degree?

I prefer security for basic home users. If everyone had decent security, scum like script kiddies would be driven out! That's what I belive!

N.B Where did you go for your degree?
My bachlors for both of the St.Cloud State University the masters for network modeling same ... the security was a combination here (st cloud) and University of Minnesota

My bachlors for both of the St.Cloud State University the masters for network modeling same ... the security was a combination here (st cloud) and University of Minnesota

Ah, well, that rules me out. I never knew the American Universties had the masters degree, I thought it was called something else. Looks like I'm off to Paisley Uni after all...

Ah, well, that rules me out. I never knew the American Universties had the masters degree, I thought it was called something else. Looks like I'm off to Paisley Uni after all...
They do for certain fields … its called post grad studies (rather then undergrad)

You go to a university to get your bachelors (undergrad) and can get your masters if it offers the graduate program in that field
Not all universities have all under or graduate programs

(BTW my focus was on network security and system … I had my share of encryption but I deal with things more like IPSEC and such)
I moved into a full time networking position at the collage so I do a lot of work regarding system security and such now in the real world (that and network modeling and wireless security)

They do for certain fields … its called post grad studies (rather then undergrad)

You go to a university to get your bachelors (undergrad) and can get your masters if it offers the graduate program in that field
Not all universities have all under or graduate programs

(BTW my focus was on network security and system … I had my share of encryption but I deal with things more like IPSEC and such)
I moved into a full time networking position at the collage so I do a lot of work regarding system security and such now in the real world (that and network modeling and wireless security)

Thanks for that insight. I've a few years to go at high school, so I'm looing at universities now whilst I've got the chance.

Thanks for that insight. I've a few years to go at high school, so I'm looing at universities now whilst I've got the chance.
Know where ya are at :) I am only 22 myself so still close to the collage scene lol

Know where ya are at :) I am only 22 myself so still close to the collage scene lol

Will you ever leave?

Will you ever leave?
Not for awhile … I am done with the SCHOOL part but I got hired as a network administrator here (good paying job) so now instead of going to school here … I work here :)

Not for awhile … I am done with the SCHOOL part but I got hired as a network administrator here (good paying job) so now instead of going to school here … I work here :)

Must be kinda awkward: You go into the staff room and find your old professor there, the one that shouted at you and no-one really liked. (Just my thoughts on what would happen)

Must be kinda awkward: You go into the staff room and find your old professor there, the one that shouted at you and no-one really liked. (Just my thoughts on what would happen)
At times but I support residential hall side (student dormitories) we have 3.2 thousand students on campus through the school year… also do wireless stuff

BTW I am also one of those “professors” (I teach one security and two networking classes myself) :p

At times but I support residential hall side (student dormitories) we have 3.2 thousand students on campus through the school year… also do wireless stuff

BTW I am also one of those “professors” (I teach one security and two networking classes myself) :p

Sounds like a nice job to have. You seem satisfied with it and I usually feel that that's more important than the money. (one exception: when you are desperate for money any job is good, no matter how rubbish it is.)

Sounds like a nice job to have. You seem satisfied with it and I usually feel that that's more important than the money. (one exception: when you are desperate for money any job is good, no matter how rubbish it is.)
Yup great job and great pay :)

Yup great job and great pay :)

A nice job and a nice person doing it. There is some justice after all. If I'm ever in Minnesota I'll drop in and buy you a beer. :) Dunno why.

Just looking back through the forums, noticed you said something about Mitnick being a glorified con-man. That may be, but I'm glad he's come over to our side (it must have been 4 years without trial that did it)

A nice job and a nice person doing it. There is some justice after all. If I'm ever in Minnesota I'll drop in and buy you a beer. :) Dunno why.

Just looking back through the forums, noticed you said something about Mitnick being a glorified con-man. That may be, but I'm glad he's come over to our side (it must have been 4 years without trial that did it)
Ehhh even without most of us go white hat eventually (I was black hat myself for awhile but SSHHHH)
:)

Ehhh even without most of us go white hat eventually (I was black hat myself for awhile but SSHHHH)
:)

Okay, I wont tell anyone. It's between you, me and the 1,000,000 people who play NationStates!

N.B Do you also have to refresh the window before new posts appear on screen? :confused:

Okay, I wont tell anyone. It's between you, me and the 1,000,000 people who play NationStates!

N.B Do you also have to refresh the window before new posts appear on screen? :confused:
Yup it is PHP generate on request ... meaning that the page is generated at the time of your request and not activly changed untill you re request(refresh)

Yup it is PHP generate on request ... meaning that the page is generated at the time of your request and not activly changed untill you re request(refresh)

Thanks. I was worried that my computer was even worse than what I thought! No, I'm serious, geeks have nightmares about my computer! :)

Thanks. I was worried that my computer was even worse than what I thought! No, I'm serious, geeks have nightmares about my computer! :)
nope :)

That's reassuring.

You seem to know a lot about computers, so I trust your opinion. Tell me, do you think that I have a good chance of making the RPG described in previous posts. I would like your input. :)

That's reassuring.

You seem to know a lot about computers, so I trust your opinion. Tell me, do you think that I have a good chance of making the RPG described in previous posts. I would like your input. :)
The game seems good I made a few text based rpg’s myself back in the day … its actually pretty easy to program

… the prince some thing something
Do you choose a) or b)?

If choice = a then goto section choicea1
Else go to choiceb1

Actually a lot like a choose your own ending book
Easy as hell to program

The game seems good I made a few text based rpg’s myself back in the day … its actually pretty easy to program

… the prince some thing something
Do you choose a) or b)?

If choice = a then goto section choicea1
Else go to choiceb1

Actually a lot like a choose your own ending book
Easy as hell to program

Don't think it'll be text based, I tried one called "stranded" which I didn't like. I might try a text-based RPG, but this plot seems too complex for it. Sorry.

Don't think it'll be text based, I tried one called "stranded" which I didn't like. I might try a text-based RPG, but this plot seems too complex for it. Sorry.
You are planning to do a graphical RPG with BASIC? Unless it is not standard BASIC this will be rather complex making it

You are planning to do a graphical RPG with BASIC? Unless it is not standard BASIC this will be rather complex making it
That's why DarkBasic is not too bad a choice. It's not standard Basic and was created with game creation in mind.

I seem to remember this is a derivative from a language that originally came out for the Amiga years and years ago.

You are planning to do a graphical RPG with BASIC? Unless it is not standard BASIC this will be rather complex making it

Luckily for me it wont be too graphical. Play one of the first Final Fantasys or Chrono Trigger and you'll get the idea. BTW, it's DarkBASIC, which is designed for making games, some in 3D. I've played some games made with DarkBASIC, and they were quite good 3D ones, so a top-down 2D RPG should be quite simple in comparison. As I've said before, I plan to take my time about drawing up maps, writing plotlines et cetera, which will give me plenty of time to learn what I need to know in order to make an RPG.

On a similar note, one of the posts on the first page suggested a story which I hope to use. I had one idea: Instead of the gem merely belonging to the princess, how about the gem IS the princess? It makes sense why she would be abducted. A cliche, maybe, but it could work. What do you think?

For the final cure, the most beautiful woman in the kingdom should kiss the princess. What a great ending FMV that would be, eh?
fuck yeah
me likes some hott lezbian lovin' :fluffle:

fuck yeah
me likes some hott lezbian lovin' :fluffle:

I start a forum. People respond. Some of the responses are good, some are not. Then, interest dies down. After some shameless advertising of this thread, it is picked up again, and dies suddenly with a major question unanswered. I check my email. Someone has responded. Hope! Joy! These spread through me quickly. And this, this is the quality of answer I get, after all this waiting, after all this confusion as to why the thread was dropped!

Listen crackhead!
1. You start a sentence with a CAPITAL LETTER, and end with a full stop.
2. It is not "me likes", it is "I like".
3. "Hot" is spelled with 1 "t".
4. Likewise, "lesbian" is not spelled with a "z".

Well, from here on it's your story. I'd suggest that if you do make the princess the gem, she turns back following the final battle so you can return triumphantly to town with maiden in hand. Otherwise, it would make for a depressing climax. v_v

Good luck, then!

Oh, if you want to stick me in the credits, just use the greek letter Mu. Be sure to let us all know when it's done, too! ^^

DarkBasic is good, but doesn't work well for RPGs, even pnp style ones. Believe me, I've tried more than once.

Well, from here on it's your story. I'd suggest that if you do make the princess the gem, she turns back following the final battle so you can return triumphantly to town with maiden in hand. Otherwise, it would make for a depressing climax. v_v

Good luck, then!

Oh, if you want to stick me in the credits, just use the greek letter Mu. Be sure to let us all know when it's done, too! ^^

Thanks for all your advice. I'll try to take that brilliant story and do it justice. Naturally I shall inform everyone about it when it is finished, but it could take a while, it being a one-man project.

DarkBasic is good, but doesn't work well for RPGs, even pnp style ones. Believe me, I've tried more than once.

Really. Well, as you know, it's all I've got at the moment, so I wont start that again. But, I must ask, what are pnp RPG's?