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well yes or no.

well yes or no.
Ixnay noay ewjay. Axmay Arrybay siay ewjay.

Lord, I hope so. I'd hate to think what would happen if people like YOU inherited the nation. :p

yes, and the jews are the best ones to do it!

Ixnay noay ewjay. Axmay Arrybay siay ewjay.HAhahhahahaaahaha

Actually, everybody knows the 'jew' thing is just a decoy. A carefully calculated ruse.

The dragons run everything. *nod*

No, no its the Grand Majestic Order of the Illuminati...oh and PETA.

No, no its the Grand Majestic Order of the Illuminati...oh and PETA.

The Illuminati ARE dragons! :p

The Illuminati ARE dragons! :p
You know too much...I suggest you run, they will be here in 24 hou..ahhh!!
*gun shot* Run...

I would say at least, some Jews control America.

You know too much...I suggest you run, they will be here in 24 hou..ahhh!!
*gun shot* Run...

Bah. They know that nobody believes the goofball. Besides, I make them laugh. Don't I, Myrth? ;)

No.

But apparently they have installed internet access in some of our fine mental health institutions. ;)









psst. click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8855091&postcount=24) for the truth. (Be sure you aren't followed).

No.

But apparently they have installed internet access in some of our fine mental health institutions. ;)

We have High-speed access. :D

...good old trolls. Go back to your homepage (http://www.chick.com), little man, we're trying to debate.

No.

But apparently they have installed internet access in some of our fine mental health institutions. ;)









psst. click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8855091&postcount=24) for the truth. (Be sure you aren't followed).

i am not in a mental institutian you tard

We have High-speed access. :D

You too?!!

Yay!

I'm getting better at typing with the my toes now that I'm used to this shiny new jacket. I love buckles!!!

...good old trolls. Go back to your homepage (http://www.chick.com), little man, we're trying to debate.

Given the uneducated nonsense he's spouting, I'm thinking that his home turf looks more like this. (www.stormfront.org/)

well yes or no.

As a Jewish Freemason, I probably shouldn't answer that.

As a Jewish Freemason, I probably shouldn't answer that.

Good answer.

You too?!!

Yay!

I'm getting better at typing with the my toes now that I'm used to this shiny new jacket. I love buckles!!!

No straitjacket can hold me. :D

((Note: Actually, some of the high-security straitjackets can hold me. But I try to avoid them when possible))

So, this guy really rules the world?
http://www.entu.cas.cz/fyziol/freetime/eternity/jew.jpg
I thought it was this guy http://img21.photobucket.com/albums/v62/superfungoodness/lj_entries/jesus-mentos3.jpg and the good people at Mentos?

We used to be free masons, but we can't afford it anymore. Now were Low-Monthly-Fee Masons.

Given the uneducated nonsense he's spouting, I'm thinking that his home turf looks more like this. (www.stormfront.org/)

Heh. His post consisted of "yes or no." What's uneducated about that? Simplicity doesn't equal lack of education. I don't think asking a question qualifies as "spouting nonsense" either. Apparently I'm the only one posting on-topic AND not flaming... man that doesn't happen a lot around here.

Jew who wants to rule the world. (http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00121/Michael_Howard__ny__121737c.JPG) Well, Britain, at least, but really, which other bits of it matter?

As a Jewish Freemason, I probably shouldn't answer that.
Ooh!
I never thought I'd get to meet an instrument of the Illuminati personally!
Well, that is, while actually knowing that they were an instrument of the Illuminati...

:D

Curiousity killed the cat.

Someone know what "those b*g n***ed" is supposed to mean?

Don't say it.

What does "n***ed" rhyme with? (Other than "z***ed".)

(I know I probably don't want to know, but I want to know. You know?)

So, this guy really rules the world?
http://www.entu.cas.cz/fyziol/freetime/eternity/jew.jpg
Can't you tell? With the long beard and all, it's blatantly obvious that it's just a mask to hide his reptilian countenance...

Ooh!
I never thought I'd get to meet an instrument of the Illuminati personally!
Well, that is, while actually knowing that they were an instrument of the Illuminati...

:D

Yeah, well, I wouldn't go to sleep tonight, mate, you won't wake up now you know who one of them is. It's my job to make sure of it... :D

Heh. His post consisted of "yes or no." What's uneducated about that? Simplicity doesn't equal lack of education. I don't think asking a question qualifies as "spouting nonsense" either. Apparently I'm the only one posting on-topic AND not flaming... man that doesn't happen a lot around here.

hee hee, defending the troll! :D

Ooh!
I never thought I'd get to meet an instrument of the Illuminati personally!
Well, that is, while actually knowing that they were an instrument of the Illuminati...

:D


...there are no such things as orbital mind control lasers.

Jew who wants to rule the world. (http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00121/Michael_Howard__ny__121737c.JPG) Well, Britain, at least, but really, which other bits of it matter?
For a minute I thought you were serious...

All praise be to the Illuminati and their most power tool of destruction, GOOGLE!

i am not in a mental institutian you tard

You should try it!

You might like it. Mine is tres suave cool!





(except for the jewish free masons that steal my pudding)





(and the underwear gnomes)

yes those b*g n***ed


Can't get the last word. Original poster, mind telling me?

Heh. His post consisted of "yes or no." What's uneducated about that? Simplicity doesn't equal lack of education. I don't think asking a question qualifies as "spouting nonsense" either. Apparently I'm the only one posting on-topic AND not flaming... man that doesn't happen a lot around here.

do free maison and jew contro the us

That's what I was referring to...unless of course English isn't his first language, or his hands are crippled, in which case I retract my statement.

Can't get the last word. Original poster, mind telling me?

My guess would be "big nosed," considering that's a common stereotype used regarding those of Jewish descent.

You should try it!

You might like it. Mine is tres suave cool!





(except for the jewish free masons that steal my pudding)





(and the underwear gnomes)
He hasn't been to a mental institution? Oh, what a dreadful shame. They have such nice, padded rooms. Just like what dear old mom put me in..what? Yes, coming mother!

(except for the jewish free masons that steal my pudding)

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The Lodge has never been a party to any pudding stealing. Not only would it be un-Christian, but...

oh damn. Gave myself away on that one. :D

Jebemvas - hmmm.
Convert the letters to numbers, multiply by 666 - the result is
511776
OR May 1, 1776!
The Birthday of the illuminati!

The Lodge has never been a party to any pudding stealing. Not only would it be un-Christian, but...

oh damn. Gave myself away on that one. :D
So you're the ones who steal my pudding?

As a Jewish Freemason, I probably shouldn't answer that.

Wow. How do you pick which secret agenda to follow?

My guess would be "big nosed," considering that's a common stereotype used regarding those of Jewish descent.

Yeah, but it wouldn't fit into a crossword, would it? One * too many in "b*g n***ed". Hey, that's an idea, someone put it into a crossword solver! "Anti-semitic slur (3,6)"

Wow. How do you pick which secret agenda to follow?

Why would you think there is more than one agenda? ;)

So you're the ones who steal my pudding?

Nope. Try those shifty Knights of Columbus down the street.

hee hee, defending the troll! :D

Heh. Better than feeding it. You people want to trash this thread so much that it doesn't get any real discussion, because people don't like real discussion about such anti-PC topics as Jewish influence on the US. Muslim influence? No problem. Black influence? Go for it. Mexican "illegals?" Talk talk talk! But when it comes to "anti-Semitism," it's a taboo discussion - even for such discussion-enthusiastic folks as the Cat Tribe, who can *usually* be counted on for better than off topic spam. By dismissing and indeed, silencing (by forcing the mods to classify a thread as trolling. If I spam and flame in a thread often enough, it will get closed even if it isn't trolling) any discussion you force issues like this to come out, instead of all the time in free public discussion, only in spurts - like, I don't know, for example, 1930's and 40's Germany.

But don't let me interrupt your chance to flame guilt-freely, I'm sure it's at least as worthwhile as thinking.

Heh. Better than feeding it. You people want to trash this thread so much that it doesn't get any real discussion, because people don't like real discussion about such anti-PC topics as Jewish influence on the US. Muslim influence? No problem. Black influence? Go for it. Mexican "illegals?" Talk talk talk! But when it comes to "anti-Semitism," it's a taboo discussion - even for such discussion-enthusiastic folks as the Cat Tribe, who can *usually* be counted on for better than off topic spam. By dismissing and indeed, silencing (by forcing the mods to classify a thread as trolling. If I spam and flame in a thread often enough, it will get closed even if it isn't trolling) any discussion you force issues like this to come out, instead of all the time in free public discussion, only in spurts - like, I don't know, for example, 1930's and 40's Germany.

But don't let me interrupt your chance to flame guilt-freely, I'm sure it's at least as worthwhile as thinking.

:D

Ridiculing anti-Semitism = Nazi Germany

ROTFLASTC.

Heh. Better than feeding it. You people want to trash this thread so much that it doesn't get any real discussion, because people don't like real discussion about such anti-PC topics as Jewish influence on the US. Muslim influence? No problem. Black influence? Go for it. Mexican "illegals?" Talk talk talk! But when it comes to "anti-Semitism," it's a taboo discussion - even for such discussion-enthusiastic folks as the Cat Tribe, who can *usually* be counted on for better than off topic spam. By dismissing and indeed, silencing (by forcing the mods to classify a thread as trolling. If I spam and flame in a thread often enough, it will get closed even if it isn't trolling) any discussion you force issues like this to come out, instead of all the time in free public discussion, only in spurts - like, I don't know, for example, 1930's and 40's Germany.

But don't let me interrupt your chance to flame guilt-freely, I'm sure it's at least as worthwhile as thinking.

Or, alternatively, we're having a go because of the way this bloke showed up and basically said "Do you think a conspiracy about as plausible as the X-Files is true?!" Except he did it with worse grammar and spelling, which reduces anyone's chances of being taken seriously, irrespective of subject. The Israeli lobby is, by numbers and finance, second only to the Pharmaceutical lobby in Washington. That is the influence Israel has on the US Government, and it's not racist to say that, because it's a fact; Israel has many, many lobbyists keeping politicians sweet in the capital of its all-powerful ally. It's not some evil, hidden, controlling conspiracy, it's just bribery under a different name. That's how politics works, okay? And there's fuck all you can do about it, unless you plan to stop the lobbyists being able to take their friends the politicians out to dinner?

As for your utterly bizarre Nazi comparison, please don't. It just reduces your credibility. This is not a public debate regulated by anyone, and the participants have no duty to maintain objectivity or respect anyone involved in it. It'd be nice if they did, but when someone shows up with a tired, hackneyed, unsubstantiated claim (had it had a link to an article it might have been taken more seriously) and types it like an indoctrinated ten-year-old or, as Cat's said (and as I thought at first), like someone having a laugh/trolling, rules of common politeness are no longer relevant.

-snip-
I thought this thread was a joke. I didn't take it seriously.
I must say in all truthfulness that the Israelis have a heavy influence on foreign policy.

:D

Ridiculing anti-Semitism = Nazi Germany

ROTFLASTC.

Ironic, isn't it? And yet.

By the way, you completely and totally ignored the point. Did someone else log in to your nation today, someone who unlike the real Cat Tribe, can't read?

Yeah, but it wouldn't fit into a crossword, would it? One * too many in "b*g n***ed". Hey, that's an idea, someone put it into a crossword solver! "Anti-semitic slur (3,6)"

Yes, but considering how many words he's managed to misspell thus far, it wouldn't surprise me if there are too many asterisks in his little puzzle.

I'm not ridiculing anti-semitism.

I'm ridiculing anti-semites. :D

Ironic, isn't it? And yet.

By the way, you completely and totally ignored the point. Did someone else log in to your nation today, someone who unlike the real Cat Tribe, can't read?

Nope.

Same Cat-Tribe.

Same lack of reading comprehension when I'm teared up from laughing so hard at anti-Semites.

Yes, but considering how many words he's managed to misspell thus far, it wouldn't surprise me if there are too many asterisks in his little puzzle.

You make a good point. Even so - and I hope you're listening carefully, Santa Barbara, because this is relevant to what I was saying earlier, "Yes those big nosed" is hardly, well... coherent. Gets it marked up to trolling.

Nope.

Same Cat-Tribe.

Same lack of reading comprehension when I'm teared up from laughing so hard at anti-Semites.

I see. So, anyone who asks a question about Jews controlling America is automatically anti-Semitic? How about me, am I anti-Semitic?

Or, alternatively, we're having a go because of the way this bloke showed up and basically said "Do you think a conspiracy about as plausible as the X-Files is true?!" Except he did it with worse grammar and spelling, which reduces anyone's chances of being taken seriously, irrespective of subject. The Israeli lobby is, by numbers and finance, second only to the Pharmaceutical lobby in Washington. That is the influence Israel has on the US Government, and it's not racist to say that, because it's a fact; Israel has many, many lobbyists keeping politicians sweet in the capital of its all-powerful ally. It's not some evil, hidden, controlling conspiracy, it's just bribery under a different name. That's how politics works, okay? And there's fuck all you can do about it, unless you plan to stop the lobbyists being able to take their friends the politicians out to dinner?

Alternatively? You're having a go because under normal site rules it's not allowed to flame someone for no reason, but its different when there is a "troll" to take all the heat, and now you get to do something without fear of any sort of punishment. Doubly so since no one defends those smeared with the label of "Anti-Semite." Admit that and we can be impressed with your honesty.

The post, as I recall, said nothing about an "evil, hidden, controlling conspiracy." You are arguing a strawman there.

As for your argument from futility (very common on these boards; apparently we're a government think tank only allowed to discuss plans to put into action and no one told me about it), maybe you're right. But I tell you what I CAN do, I can speak my mind and not be cowed into PC silence, or pressured into equally nauseating mob-mentality bashing of the minority viewpoints.

I see. So, anyone who asks a question about Jews controlling America is automatically anti-Semitic? How about me, am I anti-Semitic?


Why? Do you want to be?

Entrance exam question 1:

"do jews and free maisons controll america"? Yes or no?

Entrance exam question 2:

Fill in the blanks: those b*g n***ed.

If they control America: how and when did they obtain this massive power? And how is it affecting us now? Certainly the Israeli government has influence on America, but I find it very that ordinary Jewish families are secretly plotting to take over America in some massive conspiracy...

As a Freemason (note there is no i in that word) I consider control of the US as a low priority.

If we look at the minutes of the last meeting I attended.

Item
1 - Bought beer for lodge
2 - Bought new fridge for lodge (to keep beer cold)
3 - Paid rent on lodge rooms (so we have a place to drink beer)
4 - Ensured widows fund was cashed up (nice old ladies, they probably drink beer)
5 - Ladies dinner to be held in July (Beer may be consumed)
6 - Lecture on Charity and Freemasonry, some history added for padding (No beer mentioned, very disappointed)
7 - Morned the loss of a Brother (Drank a beer for him)
8 - Set next meeting date (Next time we will drink beer together)

Don't remember any US or global domination being mentioned at this or any other meeting. Oh well maybe next month!

Why? Do you want to be?

Entrance exam question 1:

"do jews and free maisons controll america"?

I'm asking. Apparently you know.

By the way, do you ever go around to the threads where Muslim bashing takes place, and call the bashers anti-Semites? Or do you have other names for them, or none at all?

Adam Sandler is the secret president

Alternatively? You're having a go because under normal site rules it's not allowed to flame someone for no reason, but its different when there is a "troll" to take all the heat, and now you get to do something without fear of any sort of punishment. Doubly so since no one defends those smeared with the label of "Anti-Semite." Admit that and we can be impressed with your honesty.

Yeah, right. I just came on this late at night thinking "I know what'd really make my day! Let's flame someone! But oh no, what's this, nobody to fl- ah-hah! Look! A sensible poster who just happens to be unable to compose a phrase! I can flame him!"

The post, as I recall, said nothing about an "evil, hidden, controlling conspiracy." You are arguing a strawman there.

As for your argument from futility (very common on these boards; apparently we're a government think tank only allowed to discuss plans to put into action and no one told me about it), maybe you're right. But I tell you what I CAN do, I can speak my mind and not be cowed into PC silence, or pressured into equally nauseating mob-mentality bashing of the minority viewpoints.

The idea of a Jewish/Freemason conspiracy controlling the destiny of America (and thereby influence the fate of the world, with America as the only current superpower) is inherently white power hysteria; ever hear the ZOG claim? As for me, I couldn't care less who controls America, it's got nothing to do with me, and doesn't affect my life, so please don't try accusing me of being partisan on behalf of the US Government.

I can speak my mind too, and to me it looks an awful lot like you're just taking the opportunity to lash out at what you see as political correctness, irrespective of from what it arose. Considering the "issue" arose from an absurd post by someone who by their spelling and grammar alone could be reasonably be expected to be trolling, and whose subject matter and presentation of said subject matter was careless to the point of rudeness, I propose that it is you who are defending a retreating position here.

P.S. It wasn't an argument from futility, it was a statement of reality: That. Is. How. Politics. Works.

Santa Barbara, let it be known that I am not running from this debate, but I live in the UK where it is currently half past one in the morning, and I need sleep. If you wish, I shall be happy to take this up with you tomorrow by telegram or in this forum. If that's okay, please state your assent in your reply.

Adam Sandler is the secret president

YAY! :) :) :) :)

Okay, who gave the Dean voter a day pass?

Okay, who gave the Dean voter a day pass?

Harsh :)

I'm asking. Apparently you know.

By the way, do you ever go around to the threads where Muslim bashing takes place, and call the bashers anti-Semites? Or do you have other names for them, or none at all?

I o-so-humbly apologize.

I'll sit back and be quiet while you and Jebemvas have an intelligent conversation about how the jews and free maisons controll america.

This should be very educational. Proceed.

The Israeli lobbyist often play hand or two in shaping American foreign policy.

I o-so-humbly apologize.

I'll sit back and be quite while you and Jebemvas have an intelligent conversation about how the jews and free maisons controll america.

This should be very educational. Proceed.

People people please! Lets be civil.

And get rid of the F***ing i in Freemasons!!!!!

Thankyou.

Psst... Elsburytonia... I think he was taking the piss!

Well, ridiculous as the idea is, it seems sort of in tune with the mindset of many people in the US just now (and a good few in Britain too). The dominant voice nationally is strongly right-wing, there is panic about liberal conspiracies in the press and over the shadowy mass of foreigners who do nothing but cook up evil plots to destroy America because they just hate freedom so much. Fortunately, the Jews are spared the brunt of the attacks this time. Unfortunately, other ethnic/religious groups are pretty much seen as fair game.

John Pilger writes on America's recent foreign policy: "The Arabs being Semites, it is one of the west's greatest anti-Semitic crusades."

It's really great that everyone sees the original question is something completely stupid, but lets not kid ourselves that it's because we live in more enlightened times.

Curiousity killed the cat.

Someone know what "those b*g n***ed" is supposed to mean?

Don't say it.

What does "n***ed" rhyme with? (Other than "z***ed".)

(I know I probably don't want to know, but I want to know. You know?)
bag nacked
big necked
bog neared
beg nicked
bug noshed!!!!!!

Psst... Elsburytonia... I think he was taking the piss!

Taking a piss?! In public that's just wrong! I mean women and kiddies could be going past, besides its unhygenic and another thing...


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, taking the piss. Sorry, my fault, please carry on.

*sort of wanders away mumbling to himself*

Yeah, right. I just came on this late at night thinking "I know what'd really make my day! Let's flame someone! But oh no, what's this, nobody to fl- ah-hah! Look! A sensible poster who just happens to be unable to compose a phrase! I can flame him!"



Well, you said it.

One doesn't need to have had it all planned out (as you do in your delightfully humorous mockery) to have seen an opportunity and taken it, just like a half dozen or so others in this thread so far.

The idea of a Jewish/Freemason conspiracy controlling the destiny of America (and thereby influence the fate of the world, with America as the only current superpower) is inherently white power hysteria; ever hear the ZOG claim?

What's "inherent" about it? There doesn't have to be a 'conspiracy' anyway. There could just be an idea so unchallenged that one cannot challenge it without being ridiculed and dismissed.

As for me, I couldn't care less who controls America, it's got nothing to do with me, and doesn't affect my life, so please don't try accusing me of being partisan on behalf of the US Government.

Alright, you'll do the work of suppressing criticism, but its mostly because of your own personal behavior and not because you're a knowing pawn.

I can speak my mind too, and to me it looks an awful lot like you're just taking the opportunity to lash out at what you see as political correctness, irrespective of from what it arose.

I was increasingly affected by the rampant PC-wanking going on after my first post here. My hatred of political correctness goes up, the more PC-ness is thrown at me in a vain attempt to silence and/or humiliate me.

Considering the "issue" arose from an absurd post by someone who by their spelling and grammar alone could be reasonably be expected to be trolling, and whose subject matter and presentation of said subject matter was careless to the point of rudeness, I propose that it is you who are defending a retreating position here.

Ok, so the fact that I'm outnumbered and on this subject unpopular means what?

P.S. It wasn't an argument from futility, it was a statement of reality: That. Is. How. Politics. Works.

Then why put it up? You think I'm what, ignorant of "how politics works" and could use a good refresher course? On what basis do you conclude my ignorance?


If they control America: how and when did they obtain this massive power? And how is it affecting us now? Certainly the Israeli government has influence on America, but I find it very that ordinary Jewish families are secretly plotting to take over America in some massive conspiracy...

Yes, well of course when you try to picture it in the terms of "conspiracy," it will look silly and unbelievable. But you know, the French thought it was equally silly and unlikely that the Germans would be breaking through anytime soon. Silly appearances aren't everything.

Is Israel's influence not enough? It's a nation almost wholly Jewish. How many billions of dollars go from the US to Israel? What does the US get in return? Alliance? How many OTHER nations that the US is allied with get quite so much funding, and indeed, weapons of mass destruction, in return for that alliance?

These are all good questions to discuss, but this doesn't have to be a thread made by a racist for any discussion of Israel to get silenced in righteous cries of "Anti-Semite." I'm rather inclined people are reading this and already reaching for the "u must be anti semitic" button, like dogs slobbering at the sound of a bell. What's NOT to hate about that? I made comparisons between that and nazi Germany, not because people who do that are Nazis, but because that is the same method used to get a society to accept an idealogy without question. Direct force for total, every day control is completely impractical and always has been; it's much more efficient to get the people to police their own thinking and the thoughts of others.

It makes discussion of Israel, Israeli-US, and Middle Eastern politics in general nearly impossible. You can hit practically any point of conversation, up to and including "let's nuke Iran" or "let's stop anyone who's a Muslim from getting on an airplane," but it seems even the mention of Judaism, Jewry, or Jews is getting to 'forbidden' territory.

I admit bringing freemasons into it doesn't help, and I'm sure the poster may be racist, but that doesn't make the question invalid. Pretty much all polls in this forum are biased anyway.

Anyway: New Watenho you can respond to this tomorrow or whenever. If the thread is closed by then my TG box is open and so am I to discussion. I don't mean to sound snippy here, really, either, so don't let that deterr you.

So just reading the tittle made me laugh hysterically, even as a Jew. While I hate to be the party pooper, someone has to be. If someone already posted something along these lines, I honestly couldnt be bothered to look at it.

Well first off we dont control all of America, granted there are many rich Jews who have many connections and are usually bankers and somehow in the media. But the Banking thing you can blame on your midevil predecessours.
Second there are countries that are truly by Jews for example Israel and other Eastern Europe Nations.
Third most of these rumours started during the late Twenties and Early to Mid Thirties. Anybody remember what happened around then, hmm for some reason I can't quite place the name of it, but I am sure you learned of it History.

I geuss I really cant be more of a downer so I will stop now.

Fox

But of course! Being a Jew, I would know if I controlled America, and I do! I decide public school lunch menus. It is great being Jewish!

Now Freemasons, no, sorry guys.

But of course! Being a Jew, I would know if I controlled America, and I do! I decide public school lunch menus. It is great being Jewish!

Now Freemasons, no, sorry guys.

But, but, but, we want to!

*throws himself on the floor, arms and legs flailing. Starts screaming at the top of lungs with face turning red*

Just realised world domination means beer domination!

All your base are belong to us*!
*us, being the Illuminati Jews from the centre of the earth

If they control America: how and when did they obtain this massive power? And how is it affecting us now? Certainly the Israeli government has influence on America, but I find it very that ordinary Jewish families are secretly plotting to take over America in some massive conspiracy...
If they're already in control why would they need to take over?

Yes, well of course when you try to picture it in the terms of "conspiracy," it will look silly and unbelievable. But you know, the French thought it was equally silly and unlikely that the Germans would be breaking through anytime soon. Silly appearances aren't everything.
It's difficult to treat the statement "The Jews and Freemasons control the world and are now plotting to dominate American politics," the essential thesis of the first post, as anything but a conspiracy theory.

The French thought the German advance through the Ardennes was scientifically impossible, not "silly." Just nitpicking, but there's a difference between military calculations and absurd alarmism.


Is Israel's influence not enough? It's a nation almost wholly Jewish. How many billions of dollars go from the US to Israel? What does the US get in return? Alliance? How many OTHER nations that the US is allied with get quite so much funding, and indeed, weapons of mass destruction, in return for that alliance?
Why, yes. The US does get alliance. It also gets trade. It also gets the only nation in the Middle East with a democratic, free system. It also prevents the murder of 6 million Jews...again...

An alliance of Arab nations has attempted three times to, and I quote, "drive the Jews into the sea." Only US military aid allowed the Israelis to defend themselves from nations with over 10 times the Israeli population, at the very least.

The Israeli military program was largely developed by (get this) Israelis, with some US support. The US never "gave" Israel nukes, or any other WMD.

These are all good questions to discuss, but this doesn't have to be a thread made by a racist for any discussion of Israel to get silenced in righteous cries of "Anti-Semite." I'm rather inclined people are reading this and already reaching for the "u must be anti semitic" button, like dogs slobbering at the sound of a bell. What's NOT to hate about that? I made comparisons between that and nazi Germany, not because people who do that are Nazis, but because that is the same method used to get a society to accept an idealogy without question. Direct force for total, every day control is completely impractical and always has been; it's much more efficient to get the people to police their own thinking and the thoughts of others.
The point of the "anti-Semite" comments are much more sophisticated than you give them credit for. Perhaps the greatest single justification for massacres of Jews since the 17th century has been the accusation that they control the world through international finance. Identifying with, or even coming close to supporting, that opinion in many people's mind (including my own) essentially provides credences to the reason Jews are still tortured and killed around the world today.
It makes discussion of Israel, Israeli-US, and Middle Eastern politics in general nearly impossible. You can hit practically any point of conversation, up to and including "let's nuke Iran" or "let's stop anyone who's a Muslim from getting on an airplane," but it seems even the mention of Judaism, Jewry, or Jews is getting to 'forbidden' territory.
Factually incorrect. I've accused and seen many accused of being anti-Muslim racists. I've also been in discussions about Middle Eastern politics in which many condemned the actions of the State of Israel. What is 'forbidden' is spewing slander that has been a justification for genocide. Not many Tutsis would appreciate being referred to as "cockroaches" on the internet.

I admit bringing freemasons into it doesn't help, and I'm sure the poster may be racist, but that doesn't make the question invalid. Pretty much all polls in this forum are biased anyway.
Answered above.

Polls definitionally cannot be biased if they give options to every viewpoint and count each vote equally.

*snip*

So ... are you going to discuss your opinion or just complain about how it has been censored?



(P.S. You haven't even voted on this valid question.)

So ... are you going to discuss your opinion or just complain about how it has been censored?



(P.S. You haven't even voted on this valid question.)

I usually don't bother voting in polls, as there's usually no point. But after all you've said so far, I don't think you're quite ready for my opinions yet. I mean hell your eyes are still tearing up and such, I don't want to strain them by making you read stuff you'll just *snip* anyway. ;)

I usually don't bother voting in polls, as there's usually no point. But after all you've said so far, I don't think you're quite ready for my opinions yet. I mean hell your eyes are still tearing up and such, I don't want to strain them by making you read stuff you'll just *snip* anyway. ;)

So, after all that .... you are censoring yourself.

Well played.

So, after all that .... you are censoring yourself.

Well played.

Censoring myself? If you want to put it that way. Way I see it is, some people are kinda open to discussion on some topics, and others aren't. You're one of the latter in this case, and me telling you my opinions will not be of use to anyone.

Besides, my very first post answered the question. I'm not exactly surprised you didn't read it. You had your chance to look superior and ultra-reasonable earlier, and you decided to partake in childishness instead, and that's that.

I would say at least, some Jews control America.


That was your treatise I overlooked.

How dare I not take that seriously?

Shame on me!

*shuffles away moaning and gnashing teeth*

That was your treatise I overlooked.

How dare I not take that seriously?

Shame on me!

*shuffles away moaning and gnashing teeth*

You wanted an opinion. Now you want a treatise? What's your "treatise" on this matter anyway - that I am anti-Semitic? I don't care, actually, I'm through humoring you for today. I got trolls of my own to feed!, and you're demanding far too much food.

Adam Sandler is the secret president

That would explain why Lieberman didn't win the nomination, then. :D

well yes or no.

Huh??? No. The Freemasons had a great deal of influence in the founding of the U.S., but they really haven't been in power since before the Kennedy assassination.
If they were, things would be better. Ditto for the religious minority you mention, as both groups tend to be Competent.

America is under the thumb of the Incompetent, that large tribe of humanity known as "IDIOTS", which god loves so much, since he made so many...

You wanted an opinion. Now you want a treatise? What's your "treatise" on this matter anyway - that I am anti-Semitic? I don't care, actually, I'm through humoring you for today. I got trolls of my own to feed!, and you're demanding far too much food.

1. You stated your opinion. It is ridiculous, so no one took you seriously. Tough cheese. You weren't censored. You were ignored. Then you threw a temper-tantrum. We weren't impressed. Again, tough cheese.

2. Your opinion rather dodges the question doesn't it? Nor was it intended to spark intelligent discussion. It is a vague, conclusory statement. If you want to convince anyone that this isn't simply a joke, devil's advocacy, or idiocy, you'll need to provide some substance.

3. You clearly were less interested in an "intelligent discussion" than you were in some feeble anti-PC protest. Sorry, but idiotic points of view like "jews and free maisons controll america" are .... idiotic. "PC" aside, they are worth little more than scorn and ridicule.

I hope you enjoyed your little performance-art protest. I certainly found it amusing.

no
i always find it humourous when people get all worked up over a mere 3% of the total US population, most of whom are not "wealthy" or in positions of power.

on the poll i had to vote "other"
the USA is a REPUBLIC not a true democracy. if it were a true democracy we wouldn't need representatives (elected officials) because we the people would vote on EVERYTHING large and small, and the majority would ALWAYS win
:cool:

woted yes, the only president not to be free maison was kennedy we all know what the CIA did to him :sniper:

And the jews, well they to have an unfair emount of power keeping in mind how few they are

thats dangerous thinking there son, here have a tin foil hat, it makes everything better

1. You stated your opinion. It is ridiculous, so no one took you seriously. Tough cheese. You weren't censored. You were ignored. Then you threw a temper-tantrum. We weren't impressed. Again, tough cheese.


What are you talking about, temper tantrum? Censorship? You were the one who first mentioned "censoring" here, not I, and now you're imagining that I'm having temper tantrums because I'm responding to your obvious proddings instead of merely ignoring you.

What's ridiculous about my opinion, anyway? You are saying that no Jews have any control in the US or on US policy or government? If not, then you really don't disagree with my "ridiculous" opinion.


2. Your opinion rather dodges the question doesn't it? Nor was it intended to spark intelligent discussion. It is a vague, conclusory statement. If you want to convince anyone that this isn't simply a joke, devil's advocacy, or idiocy, you'll need to provide some substance.

Who says I'm out to convince anyone? Certainly if I was, you'd be the last person on my list. You've kind of given me the impression that you're not taking any of this seriously, because you're of the opinion that your opinion is so obviously correct you can sit there laughing, offering sarcasm and insults.

Not much there worth convincing.


3. You clearly were less interested in an "intelligent discussion" than you were in some feeble anti-PC protest. Sorry, but idiotic points of view like "jews and free maisons controll america" are .... idiotic. "PC" aside, they are worth little more than scorn and ridicule.

Feeble? I don't know, I've gotten you to make a total ass of yourself. Or maybe that was all you. ;)

And whatever you say about me being interested in intelligent discussion - you started out with nothing but your lame humor and childish insults. Period. The only things you've said actually to me have been basically more of the same. Of course you'll say the point of view (and mine, and everything you respond to) DESERVES scorn and ridicule, but thats nothing more than an ego justification for your own inability to act in a mature manner.

I'm sure you'll type some sort of supposedly scathing reply. Maybe I'll remind myself to go read it, but probably not.

woted yes, the only president not to be free maison was kennedy we all know what the CIA did to him :sniper:

And the jews, well they to have an unfair emount of power keeping in mind how few they are
perhaps you mean a disproportionate amount of power

the having of power is not fair or unfair. (unless you are talking about the bush family, now THAT is unfair)

guess disproportionat is better word

guess disproportionat is better word
Guess you need to learn how to spell...and write...and probably take a few history lessons to boot. If you're suggesting that Kennedy was somehow less of a "secret society" type of guy, a la the Free MASONs (not maison, thats a house in french, and I don't think any houses control the U.S. except the House of Representatives...and if thats what you were implying with maison, well...touche), then you need to learn more about Kennedy, and specifically his father and the mafia.

If you're saying they are truly in control...you're crazy. If you're saying that their influence outweighs their numbers...that is likely true, as our constant support of Israel attends to. I would say the more pressing question is, does the religious right control the country, or at least the shaping of its new policies?

If you're saying they are truly in control...you're crazy. If you're saying that their influence outweighs their numbers...that is likely true, as our constant support of Israel attends to. I would say the more pressing question is, does the religious right control the country, or at least the shaping of its new policies?

Not just the new ones. Our historical support of Israel shows that as well.

Do the religious right control the country? Well, they definitely want to, unless they collectively defy human nature in that regard.

Is that a problem idealogically with anyone else? For a lot of people, it seems Christian fundamentalism is something we don't want, but supporting Jewish fundamentalism is O.K. And the latter is certainly a lot more taboo for discussion.

Not just the new ones. Our historical support of Israel shows that as well.

Do the religious right control the country? Well, they definitely want to, unless they collectively defy human nature in that regard.

Is that a problem idealogically with anyone else? For a lot of people, it seems Christian fundamentalism is something we don't want, but supporting Jewish fundamentalism is O.K. And the latter is certainly a lot more taboo for discussion.
interestingly enough supporting israel IS supporting christian fundamentalism.

Is that a problem idealogically with anyone else? For a lot of people, it seems Christian fundamentalism is something we don't want, but supporting Jewish fundamentalism is O.K. And the latter is certainly a lot more taboo for discussion.
That actually nailed the topic pretty well SB. I mean, just yesterday I saw a pro-Israel commercial talking about "true equality, true democracy, true freedom" etc in Israel, and as someone who has studied Israel and the Conflict quite heavily...all I could do was laugh. Jewish fundamentalism is a huge problem in the world, or rather, the Middle East. Why are there settlements? In many cases its because its cheap. However, the scarier reason is those Jewish elements that claim those areas are biblically promised to them, so the Palestinians must leave...no compensation, no nothing. The Jewish fundamentalists are a small group, about the size of the Christian right, but they are deadly in terms of their influence and their ability to kill the peace process. They killed Rabin in the 90s for the peace process, and Sharon killed it again a few years later when he climbed the Temple Mount with a thousand zealots and proclaimed "this is all ours, and nobody elses!". The Jewish fundamentalists are a scary lot, with no touch on reality, even more so than the Islamic fundamentalists, who at least have numbers to support their claims. In conclusion: Jewish Fundamentalism is perhaps the biggest stumbling block to Middle Eastern peace.

Nonsense, A coalition of Microsoft, Seele, and possibly the diet industry controls America.

That actually nailed the topic pretty well SB. I mean, just yesterday I saw a pro-Israel commercial talking about "true equality, true democracy, true freedom" etc in Israel, and as someone who has studied Israel and the Conflict quite heavily...all I could do was laugh. Jewish fundamentalism is a huge problem in the world, or rather, the Middle East. Why are there settlements? In many cases its because its cheap. However, the scarier reason is those Jewish elements that claim those areas are biblically promised to them, so the Palestinians must leave...no compensation, no nothing. The Jewish fundamentalists are a small group, about the size of the Christian right, but they are deadly in terms of their influence and their ability to kill the peace process. They killed Rabin in the 90s for the peace process, and Sharon killed it again a few years later when he climbed the Temple Mount with a thousand zealots and proclaimed "this is all ours, and nobody elses!". The Jewish fundamentalists are a scary lot, with no touch on reality, even more so than the Islamic fundamentalists, who at least have numbers to support their claims. In conclusion: Jewish Fundamentalism is perhaps the biggest stumbling block to Middle Eastern peace.

So thats why all the Christians hate us normal Jews. :rolleyes:

No, no its the Grand Majestic Order of the Illuminati.

It's TEH EVOL UN!!! Commies and Terrorist Pacifists!!

On the serious side, no, I don't think "Jews" control the US. First, when politics are concerned, I think the term "Israelis" is more adequate; the time of equating religious/racial affinity with political motives has been over for - I should hope! - more than half a century. Second, "control" is a far too unilateral world. The US is controlled by a lot of powers, and first and foremost is the big business world. Money controls the US. A lot of that money then goes into financing Israel.

No, Israel does not fully control the US. Powerful men control the US, and they cater, among other things, to Israel.

So just reading the tittle made me laugh hysterically, even as a Jew. While I hate to be the party pooper, someone has to be. If someone already posted something along these lines, I honestly couldnt be bothered to look at it.

Well first off we dont control all of America, granted there are many rich Jews who have many connections and are usually bankers and somehow in the media. But the Banking thing you can blame on your midevil predecessours.
Second there are countries that are truly by Jews for example Israel and other Eastern Europe Nations.
Third most of these rumours started during the late Twenties and Early to Mid Thirties. Anybody remember what happened around then, hmm for some reason I can't quite place the name of it, but I am sure you learned of it History.

I geuss I really cant be more of a downer so I will stop now.

Fox


Good cover. Since they'll all believe that for now, we have the perfect chance to ATTACK! WE WILL GET CONTROL!!!! THIS IS OUR NATI...


oh, sorry. forgot my meds again. *runs into padded wall*


have a tin foil hat, it makes everything better



ohhhh....shinny :eek: . Can I have one toooooooooooooooo?!

Dude... they prescribe paxil for a reason.

Sheesh, quit believing conspiracy theory.

Whats the first optoon in/on the poll?

Is the Pope Cathoilc?!

No, no its the Grand Majestic Order of the Illuminati...oh and PETA.

The Illuminati I can believe, because they are just devious enough to have actually had a REASON for G.W. Bush to become President and enough power to keep the US a two-party system, blocking out the Libertarians who seek to dismantle their power.

As for PETA... they are a joke. Watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit! on Peta and you'll see what I mean.

That actually nailed the topic pretty well SB. I mean, just yesterday I saw a pro-Israel commercial talking about "true equality, true democracy, true freedom" etc in Israel, and as someone who has studied Israel and the Conflict quite heavily...all I could do was laugh. Jewish fundamentalism is a huge problem in the world, or rather, the Middle East. Why are there settlements? In many cases its because its cheap. However, the scarier reason is those Jewish elements that claim those areas are biblically promised to them, so the Palestinians must leave...no compensation, no nothing. The Jewish fundamentalists are a small group, about the size of the Christian right, but they are deadly in terms of their influence and their ability to kill the peace process. They killed Rabin in the 90s for the peace process, and Sharon killed it again a few years later when he climbed the Temple Mount with a thousand zealots and proclaimed "this is all ours, and nobody elses!". The Jewish fundamentalists are a scary lot, with no touch on reality, even more so than the Islamic fundamentalists, who at least have numbers to support their claims. In conclusion: Jewish Fundamentalism is perhaps the biggest stumbling block to Middle Eastern peace.

You know, I wanted to reply to this post, but it's just too ridiculous to merit a serious answer.

It seems to be the fashion of the day to downplay the never ending murders comitted by the Muslim fundamentalists by emphasising that Christians and Jews also have their "fundamentalists", suggesting that they are all the same- or that the non-Muslim fundamentalists are somehow even worse. Which, as illusrated recently by the "flushing Qur'an down the toilet" story, is total bullshit. Neither the Christian, nor the Jewish radicals go on a bloody rampage with dead and wounded when their religion is insulted.

Its true because its says so on The Simpson.

All the germs that appear on Smither's face during Mr.Burns' dellusion say jews and free maisons run the country... or is it just free maisons :confused: