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In honor of this, my 1,000th post, I'm starting a debate about music. Namely, what are your opinions on the future of music? What current bands/songs/academic works do you think will survive? Please, try to keep this civil. No flaming/trolling/flamebaiting/etc.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

The Future of Music is........................................................

The Killer Fairies (My own Band)

I wish though it's unlikely as we split last month for some time out!

The Future of Music is........................................................

The Killer Fairies (My own Band)

I wish though it's unlikely as we split last month for some time out!LOL. Maybe you should re-form. I always like some good music...

And, for others, it doesn't have to be about the most innovative, it can just be about your favorite and why, or...well...just about anything (to do with music, I mean).

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Hmm... that is tough one, i could just list my favourite bands but to decide the future of music? I really can't think at the moment. I think Rammstein have set the tone for bands to be successful using their own language.

LOL. Maybe you should re-form. I always like some good music...

And, for others, it doesn't have to be about the most innovative, it can just be about your favorite and why, or...well...just about anything (to do with music, I mean).

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

We might reform just to perform for you! lol. Thats if your into Punk/RockNRoll/Grunge/Garage/Blues/Metal!

Sooner or later, there's going to be another grunge-like movement of bands fed up with the increasing commercialism in rock music.

Rap won't last. Neither will emo and poser-punk. Neither will Nu-Metal.

Rock, true Metal, and true Punk will rise and take the airwaves!

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Rap won't last. Neither will emo and poser-punk. Neither will Nu-Metal.

Rock, true Metal, and true Punk will rise and take the airwaves!

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I agree Emo is overated. Long Live True Punk!

I could say that punk smells... but I'll be yelled at, so I won't. I hope that rap and r'n'b fade into obscurity (not likely, with a new flavour of the week all the bloody time). I think that Rock'n'Roll combined with other complimentary genres sounds the best, but then again, I love the White Stripes (they fuse punk, blues, garage and many other genres) so yeah...

I think we will be polluted with more enormous amounts of pop and rnb on radio and TV, and there's going to be a huge underground (as in: never on the radio) world of good music

Sooner or later, there's going to be another grunge-like movement of bands fed up with the increasing commercialism in rock music.

Yeah. It'll be good. :p

I agree with the "Long Live True Punk" sentiment here, but there is somethign to be said for the new "Poser Punk" scene (what I would call the Jersey Scene, as it origionated in New Jersey). While prehaps not sutable for everyone's pallate, bands like Coheed & Cambria, The Academy Is..., and Further Seems Forever (to name a few) are making waves with a fairly origional sound and a move back towards the less-abrasive, soft side of rock. The problem I see it is that, while these bands have been noteably influenced by Punk music, they are not Punk and needless confusion is caused when everyone calls them punk. So:

Long live true punk and all of its branches!

I'll take anything as long as it's not that crappy excuse for music known as hip-hop. I hope that genre dies just as its adherents often get shot in the streets so very often.

RAMMSTEIN UBER ALLES.

The future of music is something vastly different from what we have today. Piracy will eventually drive the major music labels out of business. The result will be that musicians will be forced to live off of their concert earnings. Prices of concerts will of course increase dramatically. Without labels there is no one filter out all the garbage bands from the ones worth signing. That job will have to be picked up by someone. Most likely that someone will be a mixture of commercial radio stations and large non-profit internet groups. Without the current industry machine driving things, the landscape will change considerably. The bands that make it big will be those who can successfully market themselves to the radio stations and internet groups who end up controlling things. The quality of studio albums will decrease as well, because without the backing of a major label it is not feasible for a band to rent a high quality studio and hire professional studio musicians. But as the quality of home studio equipment increases so will the quality of recordings.

There are about 1 million "artists" (combined TV actors, movie actors, singers, composors, lyricists *exaggerated fiture*) for 7 million Hong Kong people. With supply exceeding demand in such a severe state, the quality of Hong Kong's traditional Cantopop is dropping like crazy, and at the same time we're exporting these low quality rubbish to Mainland China, Taiwan and Southeast Asia.

And they're complaining about piracy.

Good lord, if your quality is good, then maybe people will find it worthwhile to pay. If you continue to create rubbish like that, people will choose to download the odd "good" song from the Net.

I don't think the local music industry is going to do any better in the near future.

Piracy is here to stay, for every new fix and lawsuit from the record labels a new method will come up. Therefore, I think that the big labels will foucs on a few atist that really will sell albums. Unfortunally, this will mean that the music that this artist produce will be less and less important in many cases. if you think that the exposure of Britney Separs and her like is bad, just wait. Also, records will have to come with something unique with the CD that can not be downloaded.

Hopefully, there will still be a few bands that can sell a lot of records, and still not sell the soul to companies.

As for musics that will fade away...it will take a long time for Rap and other "modern" kind of musics to disapear, but if the next generation doesn't get into this kind of music it will of cours start to get less and less attention from the masses. In the end it may only be some 85-year old people in the old folks home that listen to it :)

After seeing the reaction my class got when one of my teachers introduced them to the wonders of artists such as Jay Chow (Ni Ting De Dao) and BoA (No. 1), I predict a large movement of Asian music and JPOP, some of which will invariably make it onto the airwaves, and thus make many people more aware of Asia, which is currently viewed as just some place with a lot of people who make our cars and electronics and some weird 'an-eh-mae' cartoons that dorks watch. Of course, once people start listening to modern music from China, Japan, Taiwan, and Korea, they'll eventually come around and find that there's a lot more to be heard, and will hopefully stop butchering the pronunciations of Asian words. 'Main-guh'? Puh-lease...

Of course, what I would like to see happen is swing and Big Band make ANOTHER comeback, for oldies rock to be played on stations other than AM, and for Classical music to always be around. As long as people stop trying to tell me that classical music is 'boring' or 'stupid', then I'll be a happy camper.

German Techno unfortunatly! :(

In honor of this, my 1,000th post, I'm starting a debate about music. Namely, what are your opinions on the future of music? What current bands/songs/academic works do you think will survive? Please, try to keep this civil. No flaming/trolling/flamebaiting/etc.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
i hope people will get sick of the commercialism of it all and go back to actually liking music... not just what happens to be promoted by the record companies in order to steal people's money

but that's not gonna happen is it?:(

Piracy is here to stay, for every new fix and lawsuit from the record labels a new method will come up. Therefore, I think that the big labels will foucs on a few atist that really will sell albums. Unfortunally, this will mean that the music that this artist produce will be less and less important in many cases. if you think that the exposure of Britney Separs and her like is bad, just wait. Also, records will have to come with something unique with the CD that can not be downloaded.

Hopefully, there will still be a few bands that can sell a lot of records, and still not sell the soul to companies.

As for musics that will fade away...it will take a long time for Rap and other "modern" kind of musics to disapear, but if the next generation doesn't get into this kind of music it will of cours start to get less and less attention from the masses. In the end it may only be some 85-year old people in the old folks home that listen to it :)A lot like some kinds of formerly popular music today.

By the way, does anyone think a particular group/singer's records or music will/ought to survive for the next 200 years or so? Just wondering; I'm not too educated popular music-wise. Unfortunately.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Piracy and the internet is a very good for small independent bands, who make their money from gigs and merchandise anyway, rather than record sales. It's not that big of a deal if they sell 1000 records instead of 1500, if 10000 people downloaded their album and they can make more money by touring and thereby be able to put more money into their next recording. With better and cheaper computers and recording software the quality of their recordings will also increase. In the future there will also be an increase of crap, since practically everyone will be able to make a record/song.

The losers are obviously the big names, the one-hit-wonders and the big record companies. For the music enthusiasts this will be great, since it will be easier to find good unknown bands, if you know how and where to look. For the average listener it will become worse with the big companies reducing their rooster and format radio/TV condensing their playlists and it will become more difficult to find quality music.

i hope people will get sick of the commercialism of it all and go back to actually liking music... not just what happens to be promoted by the record companies in order to steal people's money

but that's not gonna happen is it?:(Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. If anything, things will become even MORE sensationalized in the near future. People will stop caring about the quality of the music and instead concentrate on the quality of the physical appearance of the singer/the durability of the CD/the group's popularity.

Oh wait, they already do. :(

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Just you wait. In 100 years we'll all be listening to Beethoven again.

Oh wait, they already do. :(

hehe i was gonna say that...

it all boils down to popularity and as long as popular music is controlled by massive music corporations they'll make sure that (popular) music stays infused with pop culture, especially teen culture, and won't give up control.

i thought there was a glimmer of hope on the horizon a few years back with the advent of free music websites for unsigned bands (like mp3.com) but the corporations have shut that down pretty well :(

Just you wait. In 100 years we'll all be listening to Beethoven again.

When did we ever stop listening to Beethoven?

A lot like some kinds of formerly popular music today.

By the way, does anyone think a particular group/singer's records or music will/ought to survive for the next 200 years or so? Just wondering; I'm not too educated popular music-wise. Unfortunately.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Exactly. i mean I would like to see that in 100 years people woould still listen to Iron Maiden and think "this is fr**in good".

But unfortunally I don't think that will be the case. Perhaps I few really big bands will still be played and bands like The Beatles will be mentioned in history classes probably due to the influence they had on people. But for 99% of the bands I think they will be forgotten in 200 years, perhaps rmeembered by a few fanatics.

Exactly. i mean I would like to see that in 100 years people woould still listen to Iron Maiden and think "this is fr**in good".

But unfortunally I don't think that will be the case. Perhaps I few really big bands will still be played and bands like The Beatles will be mentioned in history classes probably due to the influence they had on people. But for 99% of the bands I think they will be forgotten in 200 years, perhaps rmeembered by a few fanatics.
surely thats the case with most classical music though? only the best is remembered and still listened to?

hehe i was gonna say that...

it all boils down to popularity and as long as popular music is controlled by massive music corporations they'll make sure that (popular) music stays infused with pop culture, especially teen culture, and won't give up control.

i thought there was a glimmer of hope on the horizon a few years back with the advent of free music websites for unsigned bands (like mp3.com) but the corporations have shut that down pretty well :(

There's still plenty of them around, you just have to know where to look. Hopefully my band will soon have a new recording online (my mate now has home recording equipment).

surely thats the case with most classical music though? only the best is remembered and still listened to?

I think that chance and PR-department is actually more important. Many good and great bands probably don't get the attention they deserve right now and I don't think that there where that big difference in era of classic music.

There's still plenty of them around, you just have to know where to look.
then the same will be true with today's popular music in the future

either way its set to become more commercial

There will be a point when it stops being 'music', and people will simply stop buying the crap.

surely thats the case with most classical music though? only the best is remembered and still listened to?True. I mean, have you ever heard a symphony written by Johann Matthias Melchior?

I didn't think so. I haven't either. In fact I only know he exists because he's in the Guiness Book of World Records for having written 170 of the things.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Exactly. i mean I would like to see that in 100 years people woould still listen to Iron Maiden and think "this is fr**in good".

But unfortunally I don't think that will be the case. Perhaps I few really big bands will still be played and bands like The Beatles will be mentioned in history classes probably due to the influence they had on people. But for 99% of the bands I think they will be forgotten in 200 years, perhaps rmeembered by a few fanatics.

Copyrights expire, though. The music is already digitized...it'll be there if anyone wants to find it. I think they'll last. Maybe not as well as classical music, though, but people will still listen to it.

All you really need as proof is to look at how bands like Led Zeppelin have entirely new generations of fans, even though the music is almost twice as old as them. (look at me)

When did we ever stop listening to Beethoven?Well, ask ten random 13-18 year olds if they've ever heard Beethoven's fifth symphony. I think 6 out of the 10 will probably never have heard of the piece, or more in small towns (like mine). On the other hand, 9 out of 10 octogenarians will have heard it, and the tenth won't remember hearing it because he has Alzheimer's. Beethoven is the past, people. I want to know - what's the future?

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

I think we need to outlaw music for a short time. It's far too over-commercialized. 66% of young people know the winners on "American Idol" while only 43% know what party controls Congress in America, and only 28% know the number of Representatives. We should ban commercialization or records or something anyway.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

I think the future of music is uncertain.... It'll probably be used to make humanity the slaves of private Global companies lol, but then again, they might ban all art and music to prevent the masses from becomming too independent.

I think we need to outlaw music for a short time. It's far too over-commercialized. 66% of young people know the winners on "American Idol" while only 43% know what party controls Congress in America, and only 28% know the number of Representatives. We should ban commercialization or records or something anyway.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Or maybe you could use the American Idol format in political elections. ;)

Copyrights expire, though. The music is already digitized...it'll be there if anyone wants to find it. I think they'll last. Maybe not as well as classical music, though, but people will still listen to it.

All you really need as proof is to look at how bands like Led Zeppelin have entirely new generations of fans, even though the music is almost twice as old as them. (look at me)

I agree that truely great bands who play truely great music stand the test of time and will out last the corparate "popular" trash on today's radio.

Plus to reassure all lovers of good music try listnening to the local scene as there are good bands with good music out there waiting to be found! :D

If you want a REALLY scary view of how the state of music could turn out, listen to the first episode of Tales from the Afternow (http://www.theafternow.com/). The first episode is a few years old, but it's quite scary the ammount of "predictions" made in that episode that have come true.

As for Rammstein: I love them, but their lyrics are ridiculous when translated. The lyrics just sound cool because they are in German.

And I've never seen what the draw of "emo" is. What I've listened to sounds like a low-quality genre that seems obsessed with Nirvana and whining. It's like goth rock without the elegance or campiness/fun aspects. Just depressing.

Personally, I like a lot of "Futurepop", which is the latest incarnation of dance industrial/ebm (electronic body music) that takes techno/trance beats and synths and adds verse/chorus/verse song structure and dark, epic vocals and lyrics. Some (of my favorite) bands within the genre are as follows:

Covenant (my personal favorite of the genre)
Assemblage 23
VNV Nation
Apoptygma Berzerk
Icon of Coil
Informatik

A few good starter songs to check out:

Covenant - Dead Stars
Covenant - We Stand Alone
Covenant - Tour de Force
Assemblage 23 - House On Fire
Assemblage 23 - Let Me Be Your Armor
Apoptygma Berzerk - Until the End of the World
Informatik - A Matter of Time
VNV Nation - Standing
VNV Nation - Kingdom

Most of those tracks can be found on the net/P2P. :)

Everytime I hear the recording of the UMASS percussion ensemble playing Paranoid Android, I have to imagine that Radiohead will have a very long lasting influence.

Don't believe me? Click here. (http://people.umass.edu/tjkelly/umdl/audio/android.mp3)

That's pretty wild. I can imagine the original version right along over the top of the percussion version. :eek:

Or maybe you could use the American Idol format in political elections. ;)That's a great idea. *starts*





Just one question....



...What's "American Idol"?

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

That's pretty wild. I can imagine the original version right along over the top of the percussion version. :eek:

Yeah, whoever adapted it did a hell of a job.

This sort of thing is also a good test for the songwriting vs production values of a song. This version shows just how good the original is.

The future of music? Well, all I have to say on that is this:

"The metal crusade will conquer all
And by the allegiance the enemies fall
Surrender your soul to the gods of steel
In blood of the fallen the enemies kneel" - Hammerfall

Of course, Noctis, my own band, will be there in the assault squads, leading the charge.

I really hate commercialism, but more of it is happening nowadays. However, I don't think this'll last… or get any bigger.

Commercial music is, has been and will always remain. Pity, butthat's probably the way it's going to be. It'll evolve, however.
Someday, a new style or non-commercial band will become know by the wide public, the big labels will hear about it and twist the concept to their vile ideas and thus a new generation of commercial 'bands'/'singers' will be born. There's no escaping that :).

Me, I have a broad span of musical intrests, but:
-An even bigger horay for funk-rock, rock (to a lesser extent pop-rock à la Radiohead and Anouk), jazz and soft-rock (As a bassplayer, the first 3 are definitly the most interesting :) )
-May modern 'R&B' (and hiphop and rap, though to a lesser extent) burn in hell for all eternity

(No offence ofcourse, but I just can stand neither that so-called music nor those big-ego 'stars')

As technology reaches the pathetic backwater hick areas of America, the world will become awash in a wave of CyberCountry. Wailing digitized cowboys will lament about sitting in Lan-Bars cruising Internet Router-1666 and drinking alcoholic energy drinks like Joltweiser.

A small underground scene of streetgangs that listen to classic symphonies while engaging in acts of ultraviolence will be totally sweet.

There will be a brief craze of swing music played with the newly invented bag-harmonicas. Fortunetly but tragically, the craze will end when a hit song includes a series of chords that set up a resonance field in the human sinus system that causes internal hemorrhaging. The casulties incurred will be the fastest incidence in genocide ever recorded. Zoot-kilts will continue to sell for reasons unknown.

The rest of the world will be listening to sweeping propaganda overtures and compulsive advertising jingles created with the help of a perfect model of the human psyche. The combined effect will lead to the invasion of countries so malls can be linked together for thousands of miles. People will go on pilgrimages down these supermalls and be harrassed by suicide perfume salesmen.

I'm worried about music because it seems to be getting worse and worse. I cannot listen to the radio. If someone has it on I tell them to turn that crap off. Considering that only 3 songs I like were written in the past 100 years (I listen to mostly classical), I am worried indeed.

Namely, what are your opinions on the future of music? What current bands/songs/academic works do you think will survive?

I think that serialism and minimalism will die out due to natural selection. The public refuses to let go of the tonal and perspective codes they fundamentally reject and the previous strictly academic value of them will degenerate into only partial or nostalgic academic value as fewer and fewer of the cognoscenti are willing to invest time in dead art.

I have no idea what music composition will do from there. Well, I have ideas, but none of them are really well-supported.


Beethoven is the past, people. I want to know - what's the future?

There that's nothing strictly "the past". Ideas and concepts repeat themselves in a cyclical manner. A prognosticator would do well to study history, including Beethoven. Aesthetically as well, Beethoven (and the other traditional other Viennese-Classical ‘absolute music creators’) still apply to today's world.

I don't see what the huge problem so many people on here seem to have for R&B/rap/hip-hop etc. I enjoy some of everything, all for different purposes. I like jazz, R&B, and blues to cool off, rap/rock to work out, country to have fun, celt-rock for my patriotic side, and on and on.

As for the future, I think the current business format will stay the same for some time, while P2P will slowly erode the system. I, for one, hope that the wide variety of music available today will continue. Maybe the system will fall apart eventually, but I wouldn't count on it in our lifetime.

I think that the future of music will be in my hybrid-genre; Country Techno...