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I think it was real and was the precussor to other ancient civilisations, such as early Eygpt and the Mayas.
It was also probably destroyed by fem.. covers laughter from mouth no better not say it.
But seriously what do you guys think on the subject?

I think it was real and was the precussor to other ancient civilisations, such as early Eygpt and the Mayas.
It was also probably destroyed by fem.. covers laughter from mouth no better not say it.
But seriously what do you guys think on the subject?

You're really living up to your name.

We Americans must've destroyed it with our unjust and trigger-happy military.

*shrug* Perhaps it was real, but not at all what it is hyped up to be now. Or maybe we're just looking for some sort of unreality.

I can't say that Atlantis as a single city may have existed and ACTUALLY wholeheartedly believe it, but there are an awful lot underwater ruins to suggest that many ancient cities were flooded. It'd be easier, however, to pin one of them as Atlantis if there weren't claims all over the Atlantic of where it "conclusively" is.

But do I believe that some ancient city could possibly have been more advanced that a great majority of the ancient world, then ruined in some disaster? Sure, entirely plausible.

I think there are any number of civilizations that were influential, yet vanished and became legendary. I don't think the Egyptians and the Mayans were influenced by the same culture, necessarily.

I was under the impression the Mayans were influenced, as a number of other cultures in central and south America were, by the Olmec people. As far as I know, Egypt borrowed from and built upon the best the existing civilizations to the east, in Mesopotamia, had to offer.

But the same vanished civilization, influencing both emerging cultures on opposite sides of the globe simultaneously? I think we're drifting into the arena of the fantastic on that one.

IMO.

Could be real, could be a myth. I don't know much about the legend except that according to Plato (I think it was) Atlantis is supposed to be in the Atlantic ocean and it sank.

i've heard many, many legends about atlantis, so i'm not sure which one you are referring to. but no doubt at some point an advanced civilisation/city sank into the ocean. i mean, did you see the report a few months ago about how tidal waves in the atlantic could theoretically wipe out most of europe to the alps and eastern north america? these things happen. that's how myths are created.

It's entirely possible. Troy was considered a completely untrue myth for centuries, and there's a lot of evidence in Mediterranean cultures that could potentially point to Atlantis.

I'm guessing it's related to the lost paradise stories that fill most cultures, similar to a Garden of Eden or even the society Enoch/Thoth/other wise man in past was supposed to have built.

We Americans must've destroyed it with our unjust and trigger-happy military.

Now stop being so defensive! :p

A different myth about Atlantis.

Alt-land-is/All land's ice

Long time ago, before the iceage, people lived in
perfect harmony with the nature in a system that didn't
give possibility for overpopulation
As the aksel of the planet (plan-et) was in its right
position, straight, all the planet was under stable
tropical elimat. So was also Odenmaa at the northpole
There lived the Asers who held the highest knowledge
on earth with the ROT (root) -language. Outside
Odenmaa lived the vaers in their ringlands.
Everybody paid respect to Per who due to the
breeding-system was the allfather of all mankind
(everyone is a PER-SON)
Over 50 milj. 10000 years ago the aksel of the planet
shifted and caused the iceage when the ringlands
outside were covered by ice, a perioid called
ALT-LAND-IS
ALL LAND'S ICE
As the Gulfstream came to heat south-Finland,
Odenmaa remained clear of ice and the Asers learned
a new way of life
Agriculture and new animal species were created for
staying alive for 50 milj. years surrounded by huge
icebergs
As the ice startd to mel and drown Odenmaa the
very few of them left took pairs of the animals with
them and sailed through a passage way melted by the
stream to Bockland an island outside of Sweden,
later named Goatland (Gotland).
After staying there for a thousand years the Asers
headed back to Odenmaa except SVEN and DAN who went to
Sweden and Denmark to rehabite the ringlands.
During ALTLANDIS the Vaners develloped into ten
different races, mythologies and languages outside
the icebergs
The asers lived in Odenmaa again till the year 1050
when the crusader army sent by the Pope
destructed Odenmaa and created a new information
system based on the written word not spoken as it
used to be.
This is a tine part of a story that takes 20 years to tell
two hours a day brought to us as familytradition by
the last Aser since 1984, according to the saga
10 000 years after the end of the iceage.

Kingston Wall

i've heard many, many legends about atlantis, so i'm not sure which one you are referring to. but no doubt at some point an advanced civilisation/city sank into the ocean. i mean, did you see the report a few months ago about how tidal waves in the atlantic could theoretically wipe out most of europe to the alps and eastern north america? these things happen. that's how myths are created.

Exactly, a large meteorite, and Im talking about one only about 5km in area, travelling at maximum velocity which I believe could be anything from to 270 k to lightspeed, if landing in the Atlantic would destroy nearly all life on Earth.
The tital waves would be over 1000 metres tall, surfs up!
My own theory on the disappearance of Atlantis is that it slid down a huge crack that opened up in the Atlantic briefly and closed again.

Atlantis is a myth but most (if not all?) myths have some connection to actual historical events. As many have pointed out, many ancient cities have flooded. One of them could have been Atlantis.

SNIP!

Kingston Wall

Sorry, but I dont believe aword of that.

Atlantis is a myth but most (if not all?) myths have some connection to actual historical events. As many have pointed out, many ancient cities have flooded. One of them could have been Atlantis.

Apparently the Atlanteans were supposed to have used the power of large crystals and sound waves to build things, like for instance the pyramids of Giza, they are the only pyramids like that in Eygpt that are so correct, the others I believe are copys, mimicked by the ancient Eygptians, in homage to their Atlantean masters.
Their Gods were probably based on Atlantean heroes, as were probably the Greek ones.

I'm guessing it's related to the lost paradise stories that fill most cultures, similar to a Garden of Eden or even the society Enoch/Thoth/other wise man in past was supposed to have built.

mmm the beginning.

But the same vanished civilization, influencing both emerging cultures on opposite sides of the globe simultaneously? I think we're drifting into the arena of the fantastic on that one.

IMO.

Like American culture hasnt influenced a great part of the world today?

Sorry, but I dont believe aword of that.
huh? me neither. Which myth you're talking about? There are so many Atlantis myths that it's hard to say if you believe in it or not. I just thought that this one could've been an interesting read for someone.

edit:

Apparently the Atlanteans were supposed to have used the power of large crystals and sound waves to build things, like for instance the pyramids of Giza, they are the only pyramids like that in Eygpt that are so correct, the others I believe are copys, mimicked by the ancient Eygptians, in homage to their Atlantean masters.
Their Gods were probably based on Atlantean heroes, as were probably the Greek ones.

I don't believe a word of that. :)

I had always assumed Atlantis was a myth. There are a few things that make me wonder though:

1. Timing. The original source is Plato. He states that Atlantis sank 9800 years ago. Since that was written about 4000 years ago, we are talking about around 12,000 B.C........ It just so happens that at this time the Earth was just coming out of heavy glaciation. There were enormous flood events worldwide and a rise in ocean depth of 200-300 feet. Huge areas of the planet were permanently flooded. Plato said he got the info on Atlantis from Egyptian sources. The indication here is that Egyptian records went back at least 12 - 15 thousand years and knew of the flood events. This is also the most probable origin of the flood stories that every culture in the world shares.

2. The word Atlantis. Obviously from the same root as Atlantic comes from. But even more surprisingly, the word has American origins. Atl is ancient meso-american for water or ocean or sea-god. Anta is also meso-american for copper. To me the implication here is huge. Copper was a chief trade good for many many thousands of years. America is a rich source of copper. From an old world perspective - the two things you would associate with a new world trade partner would be water(ocean) and copper: Atl and Anta: Atlanta: Atlantis. We know for a fact that trade existed between Egypt and the new world - ancient Egyptian mummies have trace amounts of cocaine and tobacco - two indigenous new world trade goods - they could not have come from anywhere else.

Not by any means proof of anything - but highly suggestive of an Atlantic based trading culture that could have been destroyed or heavily damaged by the last glacial melting cycle.

I had always assumed Atlantis was a myth. There are a few things that make me wonder though:

1. Timing. The original source is Plato. He states that Atlantis sank 9800 years ago. Since that was written about 4000 years ago, we are talking about around 12,000 B.C........ It just so happens that at this time the Earth was just coming out of heavy glaciation. There were enormous flood events worldwide and a rise in ocean depth of 200-300 feet. Huge areas of the planet were permanently flooded. Plato said he got the info on Atlantis from Egyptian sources. The indication here is that Egyptian records went back at least 12 - 15 thousand years and knew of the flood events. This is also the most probable origin of the flood stories that every culture in the world shares.

2. The word Atlantis. Obviously from the same root as Atlantic comes from. But even more surprisingly, the word has American origins. Atl is ancient meso-american for water or ocean or sea-god. Anta is also meso-american for copper. To me the implication here is huge. Copper was a chief trade good for many many thousands of years. America is a rich source of copper. From an old world perspective - the two things you would associate with a new world trade partner would be water(ocean) and copper: Atl and Anta: Atlanta: Atlantis. We know for a fact that trade existed between Egypt and the new world - ancient Egyptian mummies have trace amounts of cocaine and tobacco - two indigenous new world trade goods - they could not have come from anywhere else.

Not by any means proof of anything - but highly suggestive of an Atlantic based trading culture that could have been destroyed or heavily damaged by the last glacial melting cycle.

Ahem.

Crap.

Yes it is indeed well known that many Egyptian Mummies have traces of substances like tobacco and cocaine, but these are most definately from South America.
Surely, you cannot be implying that they came from Atlantis.
There was indeed, as many historians agree minimal inter-continental trade back then, and Egyptian Pharoahs often had the kind of money to purchase such exspensive goods.

As for Atlantis....Fuckin A Myth.

huh? me neither. Which myth you're talking about? There are so many Atlantis myths that it's hard to say if you believe in it or not. I just thought that this one could've been an interesting read for someone.

Oh sorry, I thought you were serious.
The 'myth' I believe in is Atlantis destroyed itself with Atomics, and as a result sank mostly into a large crevice that opened up on the Atlantic seabed.
Now this next part will probably get me flamed abit, ... the Atlantenes werent totally destroyed and are still presently influencing western Governments and other powers under the guise of Aliens. I mean a civilisation that was this advanced, while the rest of man was trying to figure fire out, would now be capable of interstellar travel to other star systems.
Puts flamesuit on, zips.

Oh sorry, I thought you were serious.
The 'myth' I believe in is Atlantis destroyed itself with Atomics, and as a result sank mostly into a large crevice that opened up on the Atlantic seabed.
Now this next part will probably get me flamed abit, ... the Atlantenes werent totally destroyed and are still presently influencing western Governments and other powers under the guise of Aliens. I mean a civilisation that was this advanced, while the rest of man was trying to figure fire out, would now be capable of interstellar travel to other star systems.
Puts flamesuit on, zips.


How stoned were you when you thought this up?

Just asking.

Ahem.

Crap.

Yes it is indeed well known that many Egyptian Mummies have traces of substances like tobacco and cocaine, but these are most definately from South America.
Surely, you cannot be implying that they came from Atlantis.
There was indeed, as many historians agree minimal inter-continental trade back then, and Egyptian Pharoahs often had the kind of money to purchase such exspensive goods.

As for Atlantis....Fuckin A Myth.

I am not saying Atlantis is some huge continent that sank. I am only stating that the legend of Atlantis may be based on a real trading culture that existed in the new world. Since you agree that trade must have existed with the old and new world in this time period, why do you consider what I said "crap"?

Ahem.
Crap.
Yes it is indeed well known that many Egyptian Mummies have traces of substances like tobacco and cocaine, but these are most definately from South America.
Surely, you cannot be implying that they came from Atlantis.
There was indeed, as many historians agree minimal inter-continental trade back then, and Egyptian Pharoahs often had the kind of money to purchase such exspensive goods.
As for Atlantis....Fuckin A Myth.

No smoke without a flame mate...

Google for Helike.

How stoned were you when you thought this up?
Just asking.

I dont indulge in the weed anymore, for my own reasons.
I believe but, that this could be a possibility, not a certainty, but certainly not beyond impossibility either.

I am not saying Atlantis is some huge continent that sank. I am only stating that the legend of Atlantis may be based on a real trading culture that existed in the new world. Since you agree that trade must have existed with the old and new world in this time period, why do you consider what I said "crap"?


Forgive me, I must have misread your post as to be implying that such presences of foreign goods, must have come from Atlantis.

Heh.

My bad.

I dont indulge in the weed anymore, for my own reasons.
I believe but, that this could be a possibility, not a certainty, but certainly not beyond impossibility either.


If Atlantis had been a continent that sank, and had an uber advanced culture, it is a certainty that we would know.

Forgive me, I must have misread your post as to be implying that such presences of foreign goods, must have come from Atlantis.

Heh.

My bad.

Cool. Now will you follow me on the next step? Isn't it possible that Egyptians that traded with these new world folks would pick up their language for important words like ocean and copper? Is it not possible that Atl and Anta are the origin of the word Atlanta?

Cool. Now will you follow me on the next step? Isn't it possible that Egyptians that traded with these new world folks would pick up their language for important words like ocean and copper? Is it not possible that Atl and Anta are the origin of the word Atlanta?


I think it is a certainty that the Anceint Egyptians had at least some regular trade with South America.
As for the word origins of the Atlantic ocean, Im no linguist, or language scholar.
I would start looking at who is credited with having named the ocean, and look at his native language.

I guess I had always assumed it was named after the myth of Atlantis itsself.

I think there are any number of civilizations that were influential, yet vanished and became legendary. I don't think the Egyptians and the Mayans were influenced by the same culture, necessarily.

I was under the impression the Mayans were influenced, as a number of other cultures in central and south America were, by the Olmec people. As far as I know, Egypt borrowed from and built upon the best the existing civilizations to the east, in Mesopotamia, had to offer.

But the same vanished civilization, influencing both emerging cultures on opposite sides of the globe simultaneously? I think we're drifting into the arena of the fantastic on that one.

IMO.
I have to agree. The first pyramids were built in Sakkara (english spelling?) around 2700 BC for king Zoser. A smaller mastaba built on bigger mastaba etc -> quite similar to zikkurats (Mesopotanian) without a temple on the top. Giza pyramids were built during next centuries (e.g. Khefren around 2650 BC).

The Olmec culture was born around 1400 BC (Egyptians weren't building pyramids anymore, it's the era of Hatsepsut and Tutankhamon, Karnak and Theba etc) but the famous Olmec monoliths were built as late as 400 BC. 200 years later Maya culture was born.

Yes it is indeed well known that many Egyptian Mummies have traces of substances like tobacco and cocaine, but these are most definately from South America.

Do you know which mummies? I mean from which era?

Do you know which mummies? I mean from which era?


Google is your friend.

I myself, watch a lot of History Channel.

I myself, watch a lot of History Channel.
Where I get all my latest knowlege about WW2 and a rather large overdose of Adolf Hitler. Almost every time I turn it on to there, there he is.

If Atlantis had been a continent that sank, and had an uber advanced culture, it is a certainty that we would know.

Id say any traces of it would have long ago been eroded by the weather.
Either that or the Atlanteans that survived the cataclysm, have gone to painstaking lengths to hide it fom us, thus to conceal their presence amonst us.

I think it is a certainty that the Anceint Egyptians had at least some regular trade with South America.
As for the word origins of the Atlantic ocean, Im no linguist, or language scholar.
I would start looking at who is credited with having named the ocean, and look at his native language.

I guess I had always assumed it was named after the myth of Atlantis itsself.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Atlantic

A. adj.

1. a. Of or pertaining to Mount Atlas in Libya, on which the heavens were fabled to rest. Hence applied to the sea near the western shore of Africa, and afterwards extended to the whole ocean lying between Europe and Africa on the east and America on the west.

1601 HOLLAND Pliny I. 51 This river [Guadiana]..falleth into the Spanish Atlantick Ocean. 1626 COCKERAM, Athlanticke Sea, is the Mediterranean, or a part thereof. 1732 T. LEDIARD Sethos II. 4 The Phnicians..pass'd..into the Hesperian or Atlantick ocean. 1878 HUXLEY Physiogr. 178 The southern part of the Atlantic basin.


EDIT: I realize BackwoodsSquatches that you are a relative voice of reason here. But it kills me when people don't simply look up where words came from.

Where do people come up with this stuff?
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Atlantic
A. adj.
1. a. Of or pertaining to Mount Atlas in Libya, on which the heavens were fabled to rest. Hence applied to the sea near the western shore of Africa, and afterwards extended to the whole ocean lying between Europe and Africa on the east and America on the west.
1601 HOLLAND Pliny I. 51 This river [Guadiana]..falleth into the Spanish Atlantick Ocean. 1626 COCKERAM, Athlanticke Sea, is the Mediterranean, or a part thereof. 1732 T. LEDIARD Sethos II. 4 The Phnicians..pass'd..into the Hesperian or Atlantick ocean. 1878 HUXLEY Physiogr. 178 The southern part of the Atlantic basin.

Plato says.... the country or city or whatever it was, was called.... Atlantis.

Google is your friend.

I myself, watch a lot of History Channel.
Googled.

The only mentioned mummy was Rameses II -> 1304-1237 BC
As tobacco and other products mentioned are from South America they could not be trading with Olmecs but with Chavín (de Huántar) culture from Peru.

I don't have the advantage to watch History Channel... :(

Plato says.... the country or city or whatever it was, was called.... Atlantis.

Yes (sort of).

And this means ....?

Where do people come up with this stuff?

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Atlantic

A. adj.

1. a. Of or pertaining to Mount Atlas in Libya, on which the heavens were fabled to rest. Hence applied to the sea near the western shore of Africa, and afterwards extended to the whole ocean lying between Europe and Africa on the east and America on the west.

1601 HOLLAND Pliny I. 51 This river [Guadiana]..falleth into the Spanish Atlantick Ocean. 1626 COCKERAM, Athlanticke Sea, is the Mediterranean, or a part thereof. 1732 T. LEDIARD Sethos II. 4 The Phnicians..pass'd..into the Hesperian or Atlantick ocean. 1878 HUXLEY Physiogr. 178 The southern part of the Atlantic basin.

The name of Mt Atlas is derived from the legend of Hercules and the Titan Atlas. It explains the straight of Gilbraltar. The mountain in no way can be seen as a source for the word itself, since it is derived from an already existing legend. This OED entry may give a possible explanation of how the usage was applied to the larger Atlantic Ocean - but it does not in any way explain the root word origin. Where did Atlas get his name?

In the mediterranean, not far from Crete, there is a small, moon shaped isle called Santorini. It's shaped like a half moon, and in the center of the bay is an underwater volcano. This volcano erupted during Minoic times wich were a highlight of cretian civilisation. Before the eruption, the isle was much bigger, and ring-shaped. Archeological findings have proven that at the time of the eruption, there was a highly evolved, Minoic civilisation there, probably a colony of Crete.

So basically, there is a ring shaped island (like Atlantis), that is almost completely destroyed by a volcanic eruption at the time when Minoic civilisation in Crete suddenly seems to halt and regresses.

Could Santorini be Atlantis? A tale of a powerfull Greek civilisation being destroyed and large parts of the island sinking into the sea... Give it a few generations, some exaggerations, and... Voila. Atlantis. (We still can't read Minoic writings, so there might be a treasure of information hidden in the thousands of clay tablets we found)

As tobacco and other products mentioned are from South America they could not be trading with Olmecs but with Chavín (de Huántar) culture from Peru.


quoting myself. Excellent.
Actually it does not mean that Egyptians traded with Chavíns. The tobacco could have been traded over and over again before it ended in the hands of Rameses II. It proofs only that there were transatlantic trading after 1500 BC but it gives no evidence of who the trading partners actually were.

The name of Mt Atlas is derived from the legend of Hercules and the Titan Atlas. It explains the straight of Gilbraltar. The mountain in no way can be seen as a source for the word itself, since it is derived from an already existing legend. This OED entry may give a possible explanation of how the usage was applied to the larger Atlantic Ocean - but it does not in any way explain the root word origin. Where did Atlas get his name?

I think Atlas and Atlantis both got their names from an alien that visited Earth thousands of years ago. His alien name was unpronounceable, but he always said, "You can call me Al."

I think Atlas and Atlantis both got their names from an alien that visited Earth thousands of years ago. His alien name was unpronounceable, but he always said, "You can call me Al."

God I hate it when people make smart-ass comments in serious threads.

*waiting for lightning to strike me*

Apparently the Atlanteans were supposed to have used the power of large crystals and sound waves to build things, like for instance the pyramids of Giza, they are the only pyramids like that in Eygpt that are so correct, the others I believe are copys, mimicked by the ancient Eygptians, in homage to their Atlantean masters.
Their Gods were probably based on Atlantean heroes, as were probably the Greek ones.

Did you just watch the Disney movie and think it was a documentary?

Did you just watch the Disney movie and think it was a documentary?


Im wondering if he thinks James Spader is an Egyptian.

Im wondering if he thinks James Spader is an Egyptian.

He was good in Sex, ankhs and Mummy-tape.

I'm just going to quote a post I put in a similar thread on another forum. No I didn't steal this, Prideth is me :)

The original thread - click here (http://www.oldgames.nu/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24059)

Originally posted by Prideth
I'm not an expert on Atlantis, but from what I have read, Plato wrote down a tale told to him by someone else. Perhaps this is a bit like the Grimms fairy tales, some of which are based on something or someone that existed or happened in the distant past, but changed and distorted as the story was told and retold down through history.
I don't believe Atlantis existed as told by Plato, but do believe the story may have some sort of a factual basis, and has suffered from the changes that happen to stories that are passed down the generations orally.

Yes (sort of).
And this means ....?

That it wasnt named after the Atlantic ocean.
Or Mt. Atlas.

In the mediterranean, not far from Crete, there is a small, moon shaped isle called Santorini. It's shaped like a half moon, and in the center of the bay is an underwater volcano. This volcano erupted during Minoic times wich were a highlight of cretian civilisation. Before the eruption, the isle was much bigger, and ring-shaped. Archeological findings have proven that at the time of the eruption, there was a highly evolved, Minoic civilisation there, probably a colony of Crete.
So basically, there is a ring shaped island (like Atlantis), that is almost completely destroyed by a volcanic eruption at the time when Minoic civilisation in Crete suddenly seems to halt and regresses.
Could Santorini be Atlantis? A tale of a powerfull Greek civilisation being destroyed and large parts of the island sinking into the sea... Give it a few generations, some exaggerations, and... Voila. Atlantis. (We still can't read Minoic writings, so there might be a treasure of information hidden in the thousands of clay tablets we found)

Could have been a copy of Atlantis, mimiced in smaller size, by Atlantenes fleeing the cataclysm.

I think Atlas and Atlantis both got their names from an alien that visited Earth thousands of years ago. His alien name was unpronounceable, but he always said, "You can call me Al."

Yes, please dont spam the thread up Cat tribe, this has always been a good thing to puzzle over.

Did you just watch the Disney movie and think it was a documentary?

Oh arent we witty.

Im wondering if he thinks James Spader is an Egyptian.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111282/ :rolleyes:

That it wasnt named after the Atlantic ocean.
Or Mt. Atlas.

LOL.

1. Try to follow along. No one claimed Atlantis was named after the Atlantic Ocean or Mt. Atlas. The erroneous theory was raised that the Atlantic Ocean was named after Atlantis. It wasn't. The Atlantic Ocean was named after Mt. Atlas.

2. BUT: Legends about Atlas predate any account -- including Plato's -- of Atlantis. Mount Atlas was so named (and references to the Atlantic Ocean related to Atlas exist) before Plato's account of Atlantis. In fact, in Plato's account in Critias, Atlas is the first king of Atlantis -- which is named for him -- and the Atlantic Ocean is so named because of Atlas.

Is your head gonna explode?

3. Have you read Plato's Timaeus and Critias? You'll be sadly disappointed by the "evidence."

4. Plato tells stories about lots of things. Like vultures are spontaneously generated from the air. Not all of them are true. And not even Plato thought all of them were true.

Yes, please dont spam the thread up Cat tribe, this has always been a good thing to puzzle over.

Because you don't look it up!

Gravity is a real puzzle if you don't ever read about it.

Oh arent we witty.

Yep. Thanks for noticing.

But where else did you get evidence of power from giant crystals and atomic weapons in Atlantis?

[QUOTE=The Cat-Tribe]LOL.
1. Try to follow along. No one claimed Atlantis was named after the Atlantic Ocean or Mt. Atlas. The erroneous theory was raised that the Atlantic Ocean was named after Atlantis. It wasn't. The Atlantic Ocean was named after Mt. Atlas.

OK, my mistake, no need to be rude, guess you cant help it maybe.



2. BUT: Legends about Atlas predate any account -- including Plato's -- of Atlantis. Mount Atlas was so named (and references to the Atlantic Ocean related to Atlas exist) before Plato's account of Atlantis. In fact, in Plato's account in Critias, Atlas is the first king of Atlantis -- which is named for him -- and the Atlantic Ocean is so named because of Atlas.

Well Atlas was obviously a common name for things then.



Is your head gonna explode?

No, is yours? if it does can you videotape it for my pleasure? :)



3. Have you read Plato's Timaeus and Critias? You'll be sadly disappointed by the "evidence."

No. Ill try to but.
I used to read up on heaps of this stuff.

[QUOTE]OK, my mistake, no need to be rude, guess you cant help it maybe.

No need to be rude? You weren't exactly dripping with sunshine either, darling....

Oh sorry, I thought you were serious.
The 'myth' I believe in is Atlantis destroyed itself with Atomics, and as a result sank mostly into a large crevice that opened up on the Atlantic seabed.
Now this next part will probably get me flamed abit, ... the Atlantenes werent totally destroyed and are still presently influencing western Governments and other powers under the guise of Aliens. I mean a civilisation that was this advanced, while the rest of man was trying to figure fire out, would now be capable of interstellar travel to other star systems.
Puts flamesuit on, zips.

David Icke, is that you?

If Atlantis had been a continent that sank, and had an uber advanced culture, it is a certainty that we would know.

Why?

Of course it's real! I live there.

Atlantis -myth or real
Um ...real myth?

If I remember my humanities classes correctly, wasn't Plato's story of Atlantis an allegory for the problems faced by Greek culture at the time?

Simonist'][QUOTE=Mutated Sea Bass]
No need to be rude? You weren't exactly dripping with sunshine either, darling....

Great another mundane flamer ruins the thread, for her childish amusement.
Maybe you can find Cat tribe and marry him.
Heres a nice big sunny smile for you too :) Feeling better now?
Back to the subject, do you have any interest in this, or did you just come on here to flame?

[QUOTE=The Cat-Tribe]Yep. Thanks for noticing.

Sarcasm, Cat tribe, sarcasm.

But where else did you get evidence of power from giant crystals and atomic weapons in Atlantis?

http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Bermuda_triangle/atlantis_and_the_bermuda_triangl.htm

http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/article/272

http://www.crystalinks.com/atlantis3.html

http://www.wisdomofsolomon.com/psr23.html

http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/3854/page-18.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=0932813968

Um ...real myth?

Myths are based on, I believe pre recorded history.

Of course it's real! I live there.

Me too. What part do you live in?
Im currently living on the second most inner ring in a luxurious 4th story penthouse that occupys a whole city block, and faces the great temple of Poisidon. I also have twenty numidian and gallic slaves, and four pet snow tigers.

If I remember my humanities classes correctly, wasn't Plato's story of Atlantis an allegory for the problems faced by Greek culture at the time?

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/mythology/113974

Seems to be here.

=The Cat-Tribe]Because you don't look it up!

Dont look what up? What the hell are you talking about?
Are you referring to Atlantis, Ive put up heaps of sources on here, why dont you try to back your mouth up, and put some up as well.

Also dont let the little fact escape you, that most of these sources, also have the Authors puzzling over it as well, who do you recomend that they look up?

Gravity is a real puzzle if you don't ever read about it.

Ever tried a practical test? :rolleyes:

Why?

Yeah, why Backward Squatches?

two words: broken Bosporus.

two words: broken Bosporus.

Care to elaborate?

Care to elaborate?

only logical explanation other than "Plato made it up (which he probably did)." A long time ago (don't ask for dates) the Bosporus, that little strait between the Mediterranean/Dardanelles and the Black Sea, was connected (i.e. you could walk from Istanbul to Ankara). The pressure from both bodies eventually broke the Bosporus, which flooded the Black Sea (take a look at topographical shots of the Black Sea; the lighter area is the part that was above water before the Bosporus broke). The flooding would have decimated any coastside civilizations.

Note: this is also the origin of the Biblical deluge story.

Myth. Well, at least the more spectacular bits about it. There might have been an island civilization that got the shit kicked out of them by a storm or tidal wave or something, but nothing really all that special.

only logical explanation other than "Plato made it up (which he probably did)." A long time ago (don't ask for dates) the Bosporus, that little strait between the Mediterranean/Dardanelles and the Black Sea, was connected (i.e. you could walk from Istanbul to Ankara). The pressure from both bodies eventually broke the Bosporus, which flooded the Black Sea (take a look at topographical shots of the Black Sea; the lighter area is the part that was above water before the Bosporus broke). The flooding would have decimated any coastside civilizations.
Note: this is also the origin of the Biblical deluge story.

Only problem with that I see, is that the Black sea, is too far north to be in a biblical area, and Atlantis was south or west of the Black sea.

Myth. Well, at least the more spectacular bits about it. There might have been an island civilization that got the shit kicked out of them by a storm or tidal wave or something, but nothing really all that special.

I believe it was alarge mass of land, roughly half the size of India that went.

Maps copied over hundreds of years showed Antarctica without the ice and whatnot. Now, the Nazis that fled at the end of WW2 in a fleet of submarines live in the frozen caverns of the ruins of Atlantis. They mostly complain about how cold it is and tell fart jokes.

Maps copied over hundreds of years showed Antarctica without the ice and whatnot. Now, the Nazis that fled at the end of WW2 in a fleet of submarines live in the frozen caverns of the ruins of Atlantis. They mostly complain about how cold it is and tell fart jokes.

Do they fart on the penguins? :rolleyes:

Maps copied over hundreds of years showed Antarctica without the ice and whatnot. Now, the Nazis that fled at the end of WW2 in a fleet of submarines live in the frozen caverns of the ruins of Atlantis. They mostly complain about how cold it is and tell fart jokes.

Yeah, that's the cover story. Truth is they are breeding Xenomorphs. Razor jawed bastards.

only logical explanation other than "Plato made it up (which he probably did)." A long time ago (don't ask for dates) the Bosporus, that little strait between the Mediterranean/Dardanelles and the Black Sea, was connected (i.e. you could walk from Istanbul to Ankara). The pressure from both bodies eventually broke the Bosporus, which flooded the Black Sea (take a look at topographical shots of the Black Sea; the lighter area is the part that was above water before the Bosporus broke). The flooding would have decimated any coastside civilizations.

Note: this is also the origin of the Biblical deluge story.
It's certainly not the only explanation. That's probably the origin of great flood myth but not the origin of Atlantis/any other sunken civilization myth. Santorini, Thera, Malta, around Madeira, Azores, Canary islands (hey, those are in Atlantic), why not South America..not really sunken, but might have "disappeared" from Europeans for a while.

Only problem with that I see, is that the Black sea, is too far north to be in a biblical area, and Atlantis was south or west of the Black sea.
It's not too north. And mount Ararat it's just next to it. If i'd lived in the eastern corner of what now is the bottom of Black Sea, I'd escaped the flood to mount Ararat (Caucasus mountains).

But I don't think it has nothing to do with any Atlantis myths.

When you look around the Mediterranean today, there are literally hundreds of sunken cities. And not only in the Mediteranean, but also off the coasts of France, Denmark and Poland.
A city sinking into the sea doesn't really seem to be such a rare phenomenon.

That said, I think Plato is using Atlantis as a metaphor. If I remember the text correctly, Plato's main objective is not so much describing how the city sank into the sea, he seems to be using that as an explanation why it no longer exists. What he is trying to do is describe some form of "perfect" society. The whole story is a moral metaphor that got taken to literally by some people...

That said, I think Plato is using Atlantis as a metaphor. If I remember the text correctly, Plato's main objective is not so much describing how the city sank into the sea, he seems to be using that as an explanation why it no longer exists. What he is trying to do is describe some form of "perfect" society. The whole story is a moral metaphor that got taken to literally by some people...
That's what I think. But I also think that it's possible that Platon has used one of the disappeared societies as an example to his metaphor (and of course, not literally)

Maybe we should start looking where Utopia is or where Yahoos have lived ;)

That's what I think. But I also think that it's possible that Platon has used one of the disappeared societies as an example to his metaphor (and of course, not literally)

Maybe we should start looking where Utopia is or where Yahoos have lived ;)

Cities that disappeared tragically tend to become ledgends... look at Pompeji and Herculaneum or Troy, for example.
A bit like sunken ships... there just has to be traesure there somewhere, right?

Most likely, Platon encountered ons of those ledgends about one such city that sank into the sea a long time ago. The ledgend would have included unimaginable wealth, a great culture and civilisation and in the end of course, as an explanation why such a city would fall victim to disaster, the wrath of the gods.
There are numerous stories of similar nature to be found in most cultures on the planet. I think, Platon took up this ledgend, elaborated a bit and added his own philosophical ideas, to get the point across.

But in the end, it is nothing more than a metaphor blown out of proportion by generations of treasure-hunters....

Cities that disappeared tragically tend to become ledgends... look at Pompeji and Herculaneum or Troy, for example.


thats a good point. i do think atlantis existed but not like the legend says. does anyone watch "digging for the truth" on the history channel? just last night the show was about "who built the pyramids?". a guy believed they were built by the surviving refugees of Atlantis. his ideas were shot down in a big puff of smoke however...