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Who's cooler? Who dresses better? Who kicks more ass?

I go with pirates, because they talk more, and the ninja habit of silence is too passive aggressive for my tastes.

Edit: I forgot to put a poll. Oh well!

Ninjas. Both the silent kind and the number-one noisy ninja kind.

P.S. First person to get the reference wins a number of cookies equal to the number of posts after mine they reply; it's like a game of chicken :D

Pirtates for sure! Ninjas are way to serious and moody, and they smell funny.

http://www.sjgames.com/spanc/img/cover_lg.jpg

...and the ninja habit of silence is too passive aggressive for my tastes.

Shine bakayaro!

I cannot possibly choose between the two.
Ninjas are professional, cool and damn cool.
Pirates are not professional, but band together in a terrific way! And you just can't beat the "ARRRR!"

Damn....

Don't make me choose!!!! They both rule! Damn, I'll have to choose Ninja Pirates - http://enclothe.com/osCommerce/catalog/images/ninja-pirate-large.gif

Of course. With all the focus on the traditional battle (http://www.frozenreality.co.uk/comic/bunny/index.php?id=17) it's easy to forget the new breed (http://www.frozenreality.co.uk/comic/bunny/index.php?id=58).

*stands on the foredeck, her hair blown back from it's queue in the freshening breeze athwart the deck as she whistles softly and paces on the windward side*
*stops and looks Santa Barbra in the eye*
Ye don't think those pesky ninja-landlubbers will be found on my decks? I'd rig them to a grating and tow them 'long behind. Some pretty sharks with three sets of teeth swim round these here waters, Ol' corkscrew Billy yonder lost his foot to one while he was fishin'. The only thing black around here is Powderfaced Pete and my Jack of Skull and Boneses. And it better stay like that or I'll learn them, ye here me?

I cannot possibly choose between the two.
Ninjas are professional, cool and damn cool.
Pirates are not professional, but band together in a terrific way! And you just can't beat the "ARRRR!"
Damn....

Pirates not professional?
They're more dedicated and diciplined than any and even better are self employed.
I play a *cough*pirate*cough* in a live role play system, here in the UK and have to be better than others to keep one step ahead and from getting meself into a hell of a lot of trouble.

Pirates are tougher than coffin nails. They'll send any yellow-bellied, backstabbing ninja straight down to Davy Jones' locker.

Oh, and what else? Oh yeah, um... ARRR!

I like pirates more. Pirates are yummy. :fluffle:

We are definitely voting for the Space Pirate Amazon Ninja Catgirls.

/considers incorporating them in The Eternal Kawaii's military.

Aharrr, me hearties! There be ninjas off ye port bow! Fire the cannons, 'nd we'll make the landlubbers walk the plank! Aharrr!

Aharrr, me hearties! There be ninjas off ye port bow! Fire the cannons, 'nd we'll make the landlubbers walk the plank! Aharrr!
*Swoons* :fluffle:

The eternal question of pirates and ninjas. They both dress with a flourish and have excellent individual styles. I can't pick one, so I think I'd be a pirate with ninja skills......I'd have a ninja mask instead of the eye patch, but have a peg leg...yes....my ship would be the dojo of doom! Arrrrr me ninja mateys!
*scurries away back to her cavelike room*

Pirates are lowgrade cannon fodder, in general....only the captains have any chance of surviving past the next battle, usually. Whereas ninjas are all elite badasses. 1 ninja v 1 pirate ship with full crew would definitely end in ninja victory (stealth poisoning, sail-slashing, assasination, plus l33t martial arts to deal with any survivors).

Long live teh ninj4!!!!!

I'm gonna go with pirates cause LP is such a sexy dude!

Pirates are lowgrade cannon fodder, in general....only the captains have any chance of surviving past the next battle, usually. Whereas ninjas are all elite badasses. 1 ninja v 1 pirate ship with full crew would definitely end in ninja victory (stealth poisoning, sail-slashing, assasination, plus l33t martial arts to deal with any survivors).
Long live teh ninj4!!!!!

A captain is only as good as their crew, if a captain allowed their crew to die every time they went into 'battle' then they wouldn't last long.
Have you actually read anything about the real life pirates?
What ships they used and why, what their chain of command is/was?
How they worked?

Democracy. The crew had a say in who their captain was.

Oh yes, though sometimes it was the short straw kind of democracy.....

A captain is only as good as their crew, if a captain allowed their crew to die every time they went into 'battle' then they wouldn't last long.
Have you actually read anything about the real life pirates?
What ships they used and why, what their chain of command is/was?
How they worked?

We're talking mythical pirates and ninjas here! Masses of pirates with the odd steadfast hero, and only a few ninjas but with l33t skills. As you should be well aware, ninjas v real pirates would end even worse for the pirates as there wouldn't be nearly as many of them ,and being a real pirate as opposed to a mythical one wouldn't be nearly as cool

Ninjas are, by their very nature, faceless. Pirates all have individual characters. You have Henry Morgan and Black Bart Roberts and Edward Teach and so on. All of them have exciting and romantic tales of life and death on the high seas. By comparison ninjas are boring; no real famous tales of derring-do and swashbuckling, just footnotes in history- person x was killed by ninjas etc. Where's the excitement? Where's the warmth?

PAH!
I spit on your rotting carcass!
being a real pirate as opposed to a mythical one wouldn't be nearly as cool
You have no imagination!

And do you really think I play a 'real' pirate in a fantasy live role play system? :p

I tell you, we have faced the void ninja and prevailed!

LOL!

Catushkoti, you see what you made me say?

I've got three more weeks before I get back into that character and now you've dragged her back to the surface early to cause mayhem and murder......I'm going shopping tomorow, how will I cope??? :eek:

Ninjas are, by their very nature, faceless. Pirates all have individual characters. You have Henry Morgan and Black Bart Roberts and Edward Teach and so on. All of them have exciting and romantic tales of life and death on the high seas. By comparison ninjas are boring; no real famous tales of derring-do and swashbuckling, just footnotes in history- person x was killed by ninjas etc. Where's the excitement? Where's the warmth?

Ninja history is a closely-guarded but nevertheless rich tapestry. Ninjas can conceal their faces, but among the ninjaic fraternity it is known who has killed who and how. We even have an annual awards ceremony :D

And those exciting and romantic tales leave out the harsh environment which isn't nearly as romantic after months at sea; the atrocious quality of food; and the stories will have been embellished, as they are just that - stories. Nobody's going to come back and say "I sailed around in the rain for a bit, killed some people with a sword, grabbed some gold, and got dysintery", are they?

Now come on Catushkoti, which do you want?
The myth or the reality?
Make up your mind!

And I'm sure even a ninja's lot is not a happy one either!

LOL!

Catushkoti, you see what you made me say?

I've got three more weeks before I get back into that character and now you've dragged her back to the surface early to cause mayhem and murder......I'm going shopping tomorow, how will I cope??? :eek:

Whatever happens, post photos :D :gundge:

Now come on Catushkoti, which do you want?
The myth or the reality?
Make up your mind!

And I'm sure even a ninja's lot is not a happy one either!

I'm all for mythical....I was just debunking his delusions of axtual piratical grandeur :p

Lets' see:

Pirates: Can obtain cheap copies of Half-Life 2.

Ninjas: Katanas are cool.

I vote for...Chris the Ninja Pirate!

http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/quest.htm :D

Pirates. They are free-spirited and awesome. Although ninjas are decidedly sweet, they lack the total anarchistic awesome cool sweetness of pirate life. They are military slaves.

Pirates! What's better than rum and burried treasure?! :D

Ninjas. Both the silent kind and the number-one noisy ninja kind.

P.S. First person to get the reference wins a number of cookies equal to the number of posts after mine they reply; it's like a game of chicken :D


That's so Sasuke (silent) and Naruto (#1 Loud Ninja)

Anyways, pirates just kill kill kill. Arr! Garr! Yarr!

Ninjas make assassination an art.

Pirates! What's better than rum and burried treasure?! :D

Whisky, treasure that's NOT underground and a beautiful woman on the bedspread! :D

Pirates. They are free-spirited and awesome. Although ninjas are decidedly sweet, they lack the total anarchistic awesome cool sweetness of pirate life. They are military slaves.

That's samurai,dear ;)

Consider this point:

A pirate is away at sea for months on end, with few (if any) women on board. Who are they going to :fluffle: with?

Ninjas, however, can sneak into a womans' bedroom at night, :fluffle: her and leave before she even realises that the window's open!

Make up your own mind!

1) Ninjas did NOT kill any major characters in Japanese history, and if they did, it was rare that it turned the tide of a campaign or battle. Even while they were sent out on assassination missions, they generally failed miserably. Sometimes they were captured, and tortured to death (The japanese hated the ninjas, as the disobeyed the codes of bushido), other times they just didn't get close enough to the target. The ninjas were far better as spies, however. Famous for their "slight of hand" tricks, they could really make you believe that they did something supernatural. As for killing people..no. Ninjas rarely killed people throughout Japanese history.

2) Pirates, however, are quite the opposite. Stories and tales reverberate with pirate raids on settlements (The Spanish raid in Captain Blood is one.) They were feared throughout the seas for their skill in battle and in sailing (Contrary to popular belief, it seems, sailing a 17th-18th century ship, even about the size of a frigate, was an amazing challenge. And aligning it up with a ship and firing shot at it? Even worse. And bringing your ship along side it to board? Extraordinarily difficult. Pirate crewmen had to be highly trained in both fighting and sailing, or they simply wouldn't survive. They struck fear even into the highly trained navies of Britain and Spain. In fact, the Barbary Pirates nearly closed down Mediterranian shipping lanes because they were so prevalent and able to outwit their attackers.

Therefore, as Ninjas were virtually impotent in assassination, and pirates were virtually trained to fight and kill and plunder, it would definately be the pirate.

Said by Catushkoti -
-- Nobody's going to come back and say "I sailed around in the rain for a bit, killed some people with a sword, grabbed some gold, and got dysintery", are they? --

Actually, yes. Many of the highly regarded pirates have written memoirs. Sir Francis Drake was a pirate, and his tales are widely known. Plus, governments commissioned former pirates to write on the tactics and the ways the pirates fought, to give the regular navies the upper hand with tactics. Also, some naval captains became arduous pirate historians, writing on the campaigns and battles of various captains such as Blackbeard.

Said by Catushkoti-
--- Originally Posted by Socialist Autonomia
Pirates. They are free-spirited and awesome. Although ninjas are decidedly sweet, they lack the total anarchistic awesome cool sweetness of pirate life. They are military slaves.


That's samurai,dear ---

Actually, unless the ninjas were ronin or had no master whatsoever, they were basically military slaves. Even if they weren't a part of the regular military. It is highly unlikely, by the way, that the ninjas would have no master or be a part of a smaller nation during the Sengoku Jidai, as they wouldn't have the means of training the ninjas. It took many years to teach a ninja the slight of hand tricks needed to maximize their skills as a spy.

And do you really think I play a 'real' pirate in a fantasy live role play system?Ooh, which system? I'm a n00b playing maelstrom, where "some of my best friends aren't pirates."

EDIT: PS: Pirates are so much better, ships, swords, grog, hats, etc.

Consider this point:

A pirate is away at sea for months on end, with few (if any) women on board. Who are they going to :fluffle: with?

Ninjas, however, can sneak into a womans' bedroom at night, :fluffle: her and leave before she even realises that the window's open!

Make up your own mind!
Then, again, pirates win, 'cuz gay sex is cool! :cool: :p

Whatever happens, post photos :D :gundge:

What?
Of me rampaging throught the local town and pilaging woolworths?
Or me managing to get away with murder (again) at the event?


Lets' see:

Pirates: Can obtain cheap copies of Half-Life 2.
Ninjas: Katanas are cool.


Yeah Katanas are cool, but look at their wardobe, I can see them now standing at their wardrobe looking in......
"Hmmmmmm....what should I wear today? Black?......hmmmmmmm.....or should it be the black?"

No pirates have eclectic style.
They win hands down on the dress stakes

Ooh, which system? I'm a n00b playing maelstrom, where "some of my best friends aren't pirates."

LT, next event the heartland games where I won't be available to deal in 'missplaced' magical and special items, like I wasn't available last year!

Were you at Maelstrom this weekend?
I am awaiting my inteligence reports

Pirates are tougher than coffin nails.

But just as easy to hammer.

But just as easy to hammer.

DIRTY DIRTY THOUGHTS...

And you don't get female ninjas.
Female pirates on the other hand....

Were you at Maelstrom this weekend?
I am awaiting my inteligence reportsI was at maelstrom, got back today. Good, maybe not as good as last time but still very high quality. I think the reasons some of us didn't enjoy it as much weren't even the systems fault, it was more to do with our governer getting poisoned and being told he had to spend eight hours OOC and the major battle we'd been planning being delayed. :(

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That's historical ninjas, not mythical/fantasy ninjas. Ninja skills, in any case, are a force to be reckoned with (I've met people trained as ninjas). Pirates aren't generally trained, they're just fairly tough, have rusty swords and are looking for a fast buck. Hardly an elite fighting unit :p

I was at maelstrom, got back today. Good, maybe not as good as last time but still very high quality. I think the reasons some of us didn't enjoy it as much weren't even the systems fault, it was more to do with our governer getting poisoned and being told he had to spend eight hours OOC and the major battle we'd been planning being delayed. :(

Bummer eh?
You should have spent your time finding out who the poisoner was and bringing him to 'justice'.

Thing I've learnt with live role play is that you can plan all you want, but something is going to be put in the way of that plan.
Like the last event I was at:

"Oh no! The Prince Regent isn't now available to walk me up the aisle to be married"

Looks around in panic see's evil ancestor, my mortal enemy.

"OY! You'll do, be a dear and escort to my husband to be's side......"

And he did, while whispering nasty vile things in my ear making my skin crawl......Oh what fun!

That's historical ninjas, not mythical/fantasy ninjas. Ninja skills, in any case, are a force to be reckoned with (I've met people trained as ninjas). Pirates aren't generally trained, they're just fairly tough, have rusty swords and are looking for a fast buck. Hardly an elite fighting unit :p

*chokes on brandy*

I'll have you keel hauled for that me lad!

Beware the untrained, Catushkoti. =P

Tell Napoleon the Spaniards weren't trained..

Tell Tsar Nicolas that the Bolshevik conscripts weren't trained..

Caesar that the Gauls weren't trained...

Us Americans that the Vietnamese weren't trained...

Chiang Kai-Shek (Spelling?) that the forces under Mao Zedong weren't trained.

Sometimes the untrained can be just as bad, if not worse than the trained, Catushkoti. You can come up with innumerable amounts of historical evidence to back that up. =P And even when the trained to win out (Peloponnesian War), they can be just as well thrown back out again by the untrained. =)

Beware the untrained, Catushkoti. =P

Caesar that the Gauls weren't trained...


Sometimes the untrained can be just as bad, if not worse than the trained, Catushkoti. You can come up with innumerable amounts of historical evidence to back that up. =P And even when the trained to win out (Peloponnesian War), they can be just as well thrown back out again by the untrained. =)

Actually Caesar went on a ten year bitch slapping spree in Gaul and eventually up into Britain. Only to return to Rome and crush Pompey and his dumb ass nephews in Spain and Greece.

Also the Vietnamese weren't "untrained", most of them had years of combat experiance from kicking the French in the teeth. Not to mention they had a HUGE advantage making every use of their terrain.

As for the others I'm not sure >.<

EDIT: Getting back on subject, Samurai own both. Any man who kills in a dress has my respect.

That's so Sasuke (silent) and Naruto (#1 Loud Ninja)

Anyways, pirates just kill kill kill. Arr! Garr! Yarr!

Ninjas make assassination an art.

Chikusho! Dekimasen! Sanjuunitsu kukkii matsen!

(I think :D I'm only learning :p As for the cookies, I'll have to pay you in installments, 'kay? Telegram me, we'll work out a trade agreement, 'kay?)

Actually Caesar went on a ten year bitch slapping spree in Gaul and eventually up into Britain. Only to return to Rome and crush Pompey and his dumb ass nephews in Spain and Greece.

Also the Vietnamese weren't "untrained", most of them had years of combat experiance from kicking the French in the teeth. Not to mention they had a HUGE advantage making every use of their terrain.

As for the others I'm not sure >.<

Yet the Gauls still gave Caesar trouble. As did the British, in fact, he was forced off of the island. At the Battle of Gerogvia, Caesar was repulsed by Vercegengorix (sp?).

As for the vietnamese: Were they given any FORMAL training? Such as the United States or French forces? What you're talking about is battlefield experience. We're talking about formal, boot-camp training.

Beware the untrained, Catushkoti. =P


I'm well aware of the danger of an untrained in combat; it's the first thing I was taught when I learned Ju-Jitsu. But mythical ninja skills are just overawesome....I'm not talking untrained v trained, I'm talking untrained v trained+skills-up-the-wazoo. Mostly, I'm just irrationally overdefensive of my chosen side :p :p

And I take the Cohen point of view....10 v 7 is the same as 1000 v 7....only so many can get at you at once, and once the others have fought their way through from the back of the enemy hoarde they'll be as tired as you ;) plus, killing their brethren gives you a pretty good idea of how they fight, whereas you're an unknown to them.

Yet the Gauls still gave Caesar trouble. As did the British, in fact, he was forced off of the island. At the Battle of Gerogvia, Caesar was repulsed by Vercegengorix (sp?).

As for the vietnamese: Were they given any FORMAL training? Such as the United States or French forces? What you're talking about is battlefield experience. We're talking about formal, boot-camp training.

Aye they did, but he still managed to conquer pretty much all of Gual and parts of Spain. Though he did retreat from Britain, the Roman armies came right back and siezed half the island. There were only a few times Rome was defeated and permanantly removed from an area. One most notably was the battle at the Teutenberg Forest(I know I spelled that wrong) and even then the attack was led by a well trained Barbarian Captain who was best friends with Varus.

That is true, but I favor battlefield experience over formal experience any day.

Of course Rome still overran Gaul, but you have to admit, for a relatively untrained (compared to the legions) military force, split into confederations and small tribes, that the Gauls DID give Caesar a decent bit of trouble in their subjugation.

As for the battle of Teutoberg (Is that what you meant? =P), yes it is true that the man who led that ambush was well trained and friends with Varus.

I also favor battlefield experiance, and that was what I was arguing in favor for. =P

As for you, Catushkoti, that Cohen point of view is true, I admit. There is only a certain amount of people that can get and attack any one point. That was the point at the battle of Thermopylae, when the Spartans took up positions in a bottleneck that eliminated the major Persian numerical advantage. Plus, again, Ninja's did NOT have super-killing-skills-up-the-wazoo. They were spies. Also, even though seven people may only be able to get to the ninja, chances are that he would be killed by those seven. He has light armor, a short weapon, and again, his skills were not focused upon killing.

Pirates are better, way better! Scurvy, cutlesses, arr arr, buried treasure, wenches, eye patches and STDs!! What is not to like?

Yet the Gauls still gave Caesar trouble. As did the British, in fact, he was forced off of the island. At the Battle of Gerogvia, Caesar was repulsed by Vercegengorix (sp?).

Vercingetorix ownz all. If he'd had time he would have untited the Gaulic tribes and pushed that pussy Gaius Iulius Caeser back past the Po retaking Gallia Cisalpina...

As for you, Catushkoti, that Cohen point of view is true, I admit. There is only a certain amount of people that can get and attack any one point. That was the point at the battle of Thermopylae, when the Spartans took up positions in a bottleneck that eliminated the major Persian numerical advantage. Plus, again, Ninja's did NOT have super-killing-skills-up-the-wazoo. They were spies. Also, even though seven people may only be able to get to the ninja, chances are that he would be killed by those seven. He has light armor, a short weapon, and again, his skills were not focused upon killing.

If you'd bothered to study the Official Source of Ninja, TenchuAssasin, you'd know that 9 times out of 10 poison rice is all that's needed....

0_o I didn't think ninjas had any armour, unless you counted their groovy robe-type-things. And I'm talking about a ninja that can kill 10 people inside of 3 seconds....screw you and your "realism" :p

Lol. =P If we went with fantasy uber-killers, I could just as well say that every time a pirate hit someone with his weapon, he initiated a thermonuclear detonation at the location, and was invulnerable to such a weapon. Shove that up your ninja-hole and smoke it! :) :)

two words....


Ninja Pirates...


now that would rock!

Nah, would never work, all that black.......

It depends on how many ninjas there are. The 'Power of Ninja' is inversely proportional to the number of ninjas working together.

One ninja (Ryu Hayabusa) is almost always totally badass, but a group of faceless ninjas working together ('The Foot' from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) are usually fodder for a more unique character to dispatch in a flurry of unrealistic fighting maneuvers.

Of course, I'm only talking about this from a cinematic perspective.

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It depends on how many ninjas there are. The 'Power of Ninja' is inversely proportional to the number of ninjas working together.

One ninja (Ryu Hayabusa) is almost always totally badass, but a group of faceless ninjas working together ('The Foot' from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) are usually fodder for a more unique character to dispatch in a flurry of unrealistic fighting maneuvers.

Of course, I'm only talking about this from a cinematic perspective.if you're talking cinematic... give me Sonny Chiba... the only actor to play Hatori Hanzo head of the Iga Ninjas. (yes, even in the movie Kill Bill pt.1 he played Hatori Hanzo.)

Nah, would never work, all that black.......But as Ninja Pirates, they would be allowed to wear other colors...

ninjas definatly

http://img67.echo.cx/img67/8141/ninjabanana7of.jpg
Ninja Bananas own all

I haven't read through the entire thread, so sorry if I'm being repetitive...

But obviously, the answer is ninjas eating tacos.

Poor ninjas, no cultural identity.

Well, to answer the question of what would happen if pirates and ninjas met in battle, I give you...this link.

http://www.stanford.edu/~scodary/tkam.htm

I hope this clears things up.

Who's cooler? Who dresses better? Who kicks more ass?

I go with pirates, because they talk more, and the ninja habit of silence is too passive aggressive for my tastes.

Edit: I forgot to put a poll. Oh well!

No poll's fine by me, or, whoever agrees with what I just typed :p

I'd have to go with pirates too. Ninjas are cool and all, but I, once again, agree with your choice of pirates :fluffle:

http://img28.echo.cx/img28/2371/ninjavspirate0fq.gif

http://img28.echo.cx/img28/1078/stealthnijapirate1yr.gif

I think the pirate is the cutest... :D

Pirates could kick anybody's ass no doubt. They say shit like ARGH!!! Ninjas don't say anything and even though i have to give respect to them, pirates could totally kick their asses.

Ninjas. Both the silent kind and the number-one noisy ninja kind.

P.S. First person to get the reference wins a number of cookies equal to the number of posts after mine they reply; it's like a game of chicken :D

Are you referring to Ichi the Killer?

http://img28.echo.cx/img28/2371/ninjavspirate0fq.gif
http://img28.echo.cx/img28/1078/stealthnijapirate1yr.gif
I think the pirate is the cutest... :D

Lovely......*grins* and yes the pirate is (of course) cuter!


Pirates could kick anybody's ass no doubt. They say shit like ARGH!!!

Oh you too are for the keel hauling......

What about Pirate Ninjas?