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Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

*shamelessly nicks crap reply from other thread too*

Meh, sounds like just a right-wing smear campaign.

He does? And here I was, thinking that complex issues and questions cannot have a simple "yes" or "no" or "I'm for it" or "I'm against it" answers.

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

You mean like most NS general forum posters never ever do ;) ?

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell

John Kerry in a nutshell.

No.

He may contradict himself, but at least he knows how to speak, as opposed to our dear president Bush. Bush likes to make up sentences and words that make no sense. Or claim that "I have coined new words, like misunderstanding and Hispanically" That sounds intelligent, right?

I'm guessing this is a spoof of the other thread concerning GWB.

Well, bad spoof.

John Kerry is a Senator. His actions generally only affect those in his constituency and any major, country-wide decisions on his part require the entirety of Congress.

George Bush, however, is President. If he makes a decision, it does affect the entire country. This is why the President is not allowed to write or pass laws. He can only issue Executive Orders.

Don't worry, though, Tom Delay is working on it.

Incidently, did you know that I am a decendent of George Washington's eldest brother, John Augustine Washington and since George had no children, if he would have decided to be King of America, I would be in line for the throne if the Washington Clan had maintained power? There are only 6000 living decendents of George's siblings in the United States and, of those, only about 250 have retained the Washington surname.

The more you know. *cue music*

No.
Well, he does want to be the President. That says something derogatory about his state of mind. There is also a quote by Einstein that says something appropriate. Something about attempting the same thing over and over with the same results is insanity. He's probably not insane, though, just insincere and conceited.

On another note, where are those military records he promised to release a couple months back?

Alright, John Kerry probably isnt the best guy to run this country (and he doesn't). He doesn't have a clear message and stands on the fence rather than on one side or the other.
But wait, isn't that a good thing? Instead of having a President who knows exactly what he wants but has no idea how to do it and is leading America down the road of self destruction, we could have chosen someone who is more willing to listen to what everyone has to say and decides upon the best solution not only by their judgement, but the judgement of many.
John Kerry is not the best man to run this country, but he was a better choice than Bush.

Alright, John Kerry probably isnt the best guy to run this country (and he doesn't). He doesn't have a clear message and stands on the fence rather than on one side or the other.
But wait, isn't that a good thing? Instead of having a President who knows exactly what he wants but has no idea how to do it and is leading America down the road of self destruction, we could have chosen someone who is more willing to listen to what everyone has to say and decides upon the best solution not only by their judgement, but the judgement of many.
John Kerry is not the best man to run this country, but he was a better choice than Bush.


Bush IS the best person to run this country and the only president in American history that is greater than George W. is Ronald Reagan

Kerry is a politician and Bush is a politician, they both contradict themselves and manipulate in order to gain.

Well, he does want to be the President. That says something derogatory about his state of mind. There is also a quote by Einstein that says something appropriate. Something about attempting the same thing over and over with the same results is insanity. He's probably not insane, though, just insincere and conceited.

On another note, where are those military records he promised to release a couple months back?

You mean the military records which show that he actually served IN Vietnam?

As opposed to serving DURING Vietnam.

In the sense of not being in Alabama while the fighting was going on in Vietnam.

You mean those records?

Incidently, did you know that I am a decendent of George Washington's eldest brother, John Augustine Washington and since George had no children, if he would have decided to be King of America, I would be in line for the throne if the Washington Clan had maintained power? There are only 6000 living decendents of George's siblings in the United States and, of those, only about 250 have retained the Washington surname.

The more you know. *cue music*

The BS detector has just exploded. Please send me $19.95 to fix it.

You mean the military records which show that he actually served IN Vietnam?

As opposed to serving DURING Vietnam.

In the sense of not being in Alabama while the fighting was going on in Vietnam.

You mean those records?

You mean the records that show he spent Christmas in Cambodia, huh?

Bush IS the best person to run this country and the only president in American history that is greater than George W. is Ronald Reagan

That's like saying the only baseball player in history greater than Yogi Berra is Pedro Guivera.

Spare me.

I just love the neocons relentless attempt at revisionist history. You really have admire them for this. Just a brief historical rolecall:

1. President Abraham Lincoln helped reunite this country, and led the union through a tumultous civil war.

2. President Franklin D. Roosevelt helped lift the country from the clutches of a severe economic depression and through a World War---and produced the strongest economic and militarized country on the face of the planet at the close of WWII.

3. President John F. Kennedy led an assault on social and political injustice in the United States by supporting civil rights and voting rights legislation; actions which alienated him politically from large voting blocks in the southern states. His Vice-President (LBJ) finished this work following his assassination. President Kennedy also provided this country with hope, and a vision our ourselves and our place in the world so optimistic and pervasive that it endures to this day.

But President Reagan is the "best ever," with President Bush II running a close second?

Hey, in case you guys didn't realize, it's May, not November. I don't particularly like Bush, and I would have liked to see Kerry in office - though he's not much better - ,but it's over. Nothing you say will change the results of November, and more importantly, nothing you say will change anyone's mind.

Tecton']Hey, in case you guys didn't realize, it's May, not November. I don't particularly like Bush, and I would have liked to see Kerry in office - though he's not much better - ,but it's over. Nothing you say will change the results of November, and more importantly, nothing you say will change anyone's mind.
This just a reaction to the "Is George W. Bush Insane?" thread, to keep things balanced.

The Democrats have a golden statue of Clinton and the Republicans have a golde statue of Reagan.

This just a reaction to the "Is George W. Bush Insane?" thread, to keep things balanced.

The Democrats have a golden statue of Clinton and the Republicans have a golde statue of Reagan.

Which is a good thing, since w/o Clinton, the DEMs have to go back to JFK for a leader to venerate, and that's a long ways back... :(

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Which is a good thing, since w/o Clinton, the DEMs have to go back to JFK for a leader to venerate, and that's a long ways back... :(


At least JFK knew how to pick good looking chicks, and he didn't marry a lesbo, oops I mean Hillary.

Socialistic Nationals']Liberalism is a mental disorder.
As is politics in general.

Tecton']Hey, in case you guys didn't realize, it's May, not November. I don't particularly like Bush, and I would have liked to see Kerry in office - though he's not much better - ,but it's over. Nothing you say will change the results of November, and more importantly, nothing you say will change anyone's mind.

What is this insane belief that people seem to have about "nothing you say will change anyone's mind?"

Sounds very Orwellian and fascist to boot. Isn't one of the principles of democracy open debate? And the purpose of open debate is to try to sway others to your point of view?

Sheesh, it happens all the time......."I really liked movie X." "Oh really, I didn't like it, maybe I should see it again to see what I'm missing." Not unusual at all. So please let's not pollute political debate with phrases that are simply designed to shut it down.

Anyway, of course Kerry is a hypocrite. He's a politician. If he had been elected, would the average American be any better off than under King George? No. All this debating about the virtues of one politician over another is exactly the kind of pointless waste of time that keeps the current corrupt system in place.

John Kerry and Bush are both stupid butholes and they dont know what they are talking about. The only thing is that John Kerry is less of a stupid buthole that doesnt know what hes talking about. To me, how do i put this, I think Howard Dean would have kicked Bush's butt in the election!

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

You are entirely correct, but he goes much further than that. And for those disbelievers, who think it is a "right-wing smear campiagn" (He already lost the election) I have a perfect John Kerry quote for you:

"I voted for the 87 Million . . . that was before I voted against it."
-John Forbes Kerry

Socialistic Nationals']Liberalism is a mental disorder.

You dont know what you are talking about! Conservatives and Republicans are rich guys, that dont know what they are talking about! Liberals are people that have REALLY read the issues and then jumped on a side. I got to give props to Bush because he covered alot of crap that he had made in the past 4 years!

John Kerry and Bush are both stupid butholes and they dont know what they are talking about. The only thing is that John Kerry is less of a stupid buthole that doesnt know what hes talking about. To me, how do i put this, I think Howard Dean would have kicked Bush's butt in the election!
If people truly voted for the lesser of evils, we'd have a third party candidate in the White House. Dean had charisma and hada clearer stance on issues, but the media screwed during the Iowa caucus with that stupid scream.

You dont know what you are talking about! Conservatives and Republicans are rich guys, that dont know what they are talking about! Liberals are people that have REALLY read the issues and then jumped on a side. I got to give props to Bush because he covered alot of crap that he had made in the past 4 years!
You are generalising is as bad as the person you're retorting.

You are entirely correct, but he goes much further than that. And for those disbelievers, who think it is a "right-wing smear campiagn" (He already lost the election) I have a perfect John Kerry quote for you:

"I voted for the 87 Million . . . that was before I voted against it."
-John Forbes Kerry

Eeehmm.. and what exactly is wrong with this statement an sich ? It just means mr Kerry is capable of changing his mind, for instance when new information about the legitimacy of the actions requiring the money comes to light.
Could in other words be a contradicting statement, or one of an intelligent man. All depends on context.

If people truly voted for the lesser of evils, we'd have a third party candidate in the White House. Dean had charisma and hada clearer stance on issues, but the media screwed during the Iowa caucus with that stupid scream.

Howard Dean just had no self-control. Period. You look at the guy screaming and going nuts, and you ask yourself, "Is this the guy I want to hand the nuclear codes to?"

However, as far as qualifications go, Dean's resume blew all the other candidates away. He would have been a great nominee and would have given G. W. a serious challenge if he would had just learned to control himself when speaking in public. :)

Tecton']Hey, in case you guys didn't realize, it's May, not November. I don't particularly like Bush, and I would have liked to see Kerry in office - though he's not much better - ,but it's over. Nothing you say will change the results of November, and more importantly, nothing you say will change anyone's mind.

But to let up on how awful recent republicans have been is to allow them to control the debate next time.

It must be kept fresh that every republican president since Nixon has been awful. Reagan and Bush senior were devoted friends to central and south american facism. Devoted enemies of peace in the middle east. Directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of brutal politically inspired murders, rapes, tortures... any variety of atrocity you can think up.

It must be made a part of the American zeitgeist that republican and conservative=evil. Then we'll see some progress in this country. Not as much as we'd see if we had the Austrialian ballot, or any other meaningful election reform, but some progress.

What is this insane belief that people seem to have about "nothing you say will change anyone's mind?"

Sounds very Orwellian and fascist to boot. Isn't one of the principles of democracy open debate? And the purpose of open debate is to try to sway others to your point of view?


Maybe if we were having a discussion face to face. But posting witty remarks and making outrageous one-line claims about opposing political parties won't do it.

"liberalism is a mental disorder" and "George Bush is insane" will never change anyone's mind. That's all I'm saying.

You dont know what you are talking about! Conservatives and Republicans are rich guys, that dont know what they are talking about! Liberals are people that have REALLY read the issues and then jumped on a side.
Like Affirmative Action, and Political Correctness? ;)

Howard Dean just had no self-control. Period. You look at the guy screaming and going nuts, and you ask yourself, "Is this the guy I want to hand the nuclear codes to?"

However, as far as qualifications go, Dean's resume blew all the other candidates away. He would have been a great nominee and would have given G. W. a serious challenge if he would had just learned to control himself when speaking in public. :)
Quite frankly I think the scream was taken out of proportion.
As to Super-Power, don't forget Social Security and farm subsidies.

Which is a good thing, since w/o Clinton, the DEMs have to go back to JFK for a leader to venerate, and that's a long ways back... :(

The republicans have to go back to Teddy Roosevelt, that's why they've decided that it's easier to make Reagan look like a good president even though he was the champion of south American facism.

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)Answer to the question posed by this thread: No.

Are insane? Well, you posted a stupid thread...

Quite frankly I think the scream was taken out of proportion.
As to Super-Power, don't forget Social Security and farm subsidies.

It was taken out of context. He had a unidirectional mic that only picked up what he said, but the people in the room were screaming for him like he was a Beatles reunion, so he had to shout over them to show that he shared their enthusiasm. There were other clips from that event that showed it that way, but he was too dangerous a candidate for Bush to run against, so the press decided to sabotage Dean so that Bush would only have to run against the anemic John Kerry.

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

I don't find he does anymore than Bush does and at least Kerry has no real power. I would be more afraid of what Bush is saying & doing than Kerry.

Howard Dean just had no self-control. Period. You look at the guy screaming and going nuts, and you ask yourself, "Is this the guy I want to hand the nuclear codes to?"


Do cheerleaders have no self-control? Why do people say he's an angry person with no self-control. It's a pep rally. When you have a room full of tired and dissapointed people should you be morose? NO! Yell, scream, get the crowd excited. That whole thing was really blown out of proportion. And he wasn't yelling "John Kerry is a bastard for winning the caucus. George Bush is an idiot." He wasn't being angry. He was trying to excite the crowd. I thought that his enthusiasm was a good thing.

Anyone who's been into politics for a while is insane.

Tecton']Do cheerleaders have no self-control? Why do people say he's an angry person with no self-control. It's a pep rally. When you have a room full of tired and dissapointed people should you be morose? NO! Yell, scream, get the crowd excited. That whole thing was really blown out of proportion. And he wasn't yelling "John Kerry is a bastard for winning the caucus. George Bush is an idiot." He wasn't being angry. He was trying to excite the crowd. I thought that his enthusiasm was a good thing.

The crowd was not morose! He had a unidirectional mic. The crowd was loud and excited, he was shouting over them to be heard and share their enthusiasm. The clip that circulated in the news was a blatant lie of omission.

It was taken out of context. He had a unidirectional mic that only picked up what he said, but the people in the room were screaming for him like he was a Beatles reunion, so he had to shout over them to show that he shared their enthusiasm. There were other clips from that event that showed it that way, but he was too dangerous a candidate for Bush to run against, so the press decided to sabotage Dean so that Bush would only have to run against the anemic John Kerry.

I don't buy this argument at all. Yeah the media that bashed Bush like CBS and ABC wanted to sabotage Dean. Every media outlet from PBS to FOX NEWS wouldn't have run the same sound bite.

He is not insane, just so stupid that he doesn't know what to believe so he just goes along with anyone else.

I don't buy this argument at all. Yeah the media that bashed Bush like CBS and ABC wanted to sabotage Dean. Every media outlet from PBS to FOX NEWS wouldn't have run the same sound bite.
It was a sound bite that interested people so you have to hit the numbers, thus thats why the sound bite was played over and over again. It was in demand.

It was a sound bite that interested people so you have to hit the numbers, thus thats why the sound bite was played over and over again. It was in demand.


That might be true for the major networks but I don't see how that would play for the news that is run on PBS and other public television venues. I would think that the college run news programs in general would have stayed away from it since their was and still is a huge anti-Bush theme at most schools.

WHy wonder? Vote for me! I AM insane! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-005.gif

WHy wonder? Vote for me! I AM insane! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-005.gif
You have my vote, President Goofballs.

WHy wonder? Vote for me! I AM insane! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-005.gif

We finally have a viable third party candidate. :D

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

Prove it.

I raised this challenge before with no takers.

Show with objective sources several flat-out contradictions by Kerry.

(I don't like the other thread either, but people love to trot out this "flip-flop" crap without knowing what the hell they are talking about.)

Just don't ask me about any pictures or videos that might surface.

On the bright side, I never did drugs. :D

Socialistic Nationals']Liberalism is a mental disorder.

You know, I was just thinking about this and in the Freudian sense, on a general issue by issue basis, it may not be too far from the truth all partisan stances aside. :eek:

No I don't think John Kerry is insane. I would have liked him to succeed George Bush II as President (who may or may not be insane). But we don't always get what we want, and I'm certainly not eligible to vote in U.S. elections anyway.

Just don't ask me about any pictures or videos that might surface.

On the bright side, I never did drugs. :D
What? You can't be president if you haven't done any drugs?! :(

What? You can't be president if you haven't done any drugs?! :(

Well, there were the ones the judge said I had to take. Do those count? :)

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)
So wait, some one does as thread that has several similar articles in which people compare the behavior of Bush to the actions of people with mental disorders and the response to the thread is to trot out his last opponent and say, "He flip flops?" In debates, specificly? Care to site examples, at least pretend to put in at least a modicum of effort into countering the original thread?

And what a tired repository of old talking points this has been. Oh no, Dean rallied people at a rally. What a mad man. And the retort is to say that it was PBS that ran that clip into the ground? Are you serious? C'mon, own up-you don't really believe that, do you? Come on....you can say it-you where grasping at straws, it happens...

Kerry voted for this 87 billion must-pass bill the first time the bill came up-the one that republicans voted down because it had the audacity to account for where the money was supposed to come from. What a fiscally responsable bastard...

Oh no, he was in Cambodia in a different month.

What a waste. I want the time back I spent foolishly hoping there would be any value anywhere in here. No, no...I knew better, my own fault really.

You dont know what you are talking about! Conservatives and Republicans are rich guys, that dont know what they are talking about! Liberals are people that have REALLY read the issues and then jumped on a side. I got to give props to Bush because he covered alot of crap that he had made in the past 4 years!


Yup all of those Democrats in congress are so poor. :rolleyes:

Prove it.

I raised this challenge before with no takers.

Show with objective sources several flat-out contradictions by Kerry.

(I don't like the other thread either, but people love to trot out this "flip-flop" crap without knowing what the hell they are talking about.)


Cambodia in Christmas? It was etched, etched into his memory.

Prove it.

I raised this challenge before with no takers.

Show with objective sources several flat-out contradictions by Kerry.

(I don't like the other thread either, but people love to trot out this "flip-flop" crap without knowing what the hell they are talking about.)

He was against a Homeland Security Department.

Then he was for it.

He was against the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill.
But then he was for it.

He said he was for free trade.

But then he put on steel tariffs.

Then he was against the tariffs again.

He said the states should decide about gay marriage.

Then he was for changing the Constitution.

He said he would put mandatory caps on Carbon Dioxide.

Then he said he wouldn’t.

He said he’d leave no child behind.

But refused to fund it, leaving millions of children of behind.

He said he against an independent 9/11 commission.

But then reluctantly agreed to one.

He said we were going to war in Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein.

But when it turned out there weren’t any WMD’s, he said the war was to fight al Qaeda.

But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda

So then he said the war was to bring Western style democracy to the entire Middle East.

He said he wouldn’t invade Iraq without a vote in the UN.

But then he invaded without a vote.
But now he wants to UN to save his butt.

He said he was ushering in an era of personal responsibility.

But refuses to take responsibility for all his flip-flops

Oh, I'm sorry, that's Bush. (Lifted from Al Franken)

He was against a Homeland Security Department.

Then he was for it.

He was against the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill.
But then he was for it.

He said he was for free trade.

But then he put on steel tariffs.

Then he was against the tariffs again.

He said the states should decide about gay marriage.

Then he was for changing the Constitution.

He said he would put mandatory caps on Carbon Dioxide.

Then he said he wouldn’t.

He said he’d leave no child behind.

But refused to fund it, leaving millions of children of behind.

He said he against an independent 9/11 commission.

But then reluctantly agreed to one.

He said we were going to war in Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein.

But when it turned out there weren’t any WMD’s, he said the war was to fight al Qaeda.

But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda

So then he said the war was to bring Western style democracy to the entire Middle East.

He said he wouldn’t invade Iraq without a vote in the UN.

But then he invaded without a vote.
But now he wants to UN to save his butt.

He said he was ushering in an era of personal responsibility.

But refuses to take responsibility for all his flip-flops

Oh, I'm sorry, that's Bush. (Lifted from Al Franken)

Nice. :D

And I can document those ...

Cambodia in Christmas? It was etched, etched into his memory.

LOL.

Nice try, no cigar.

1. Not a contradiction. Error in memory, possibly. Lie at worst. Not a contradiction.

2. the quote is "seared, seared" into his memory.

3. You failed the test. Show hard evidence -- like original sources -- of contradictions.

And, for the record ...
Evidence in support of Kerry's claim of being in Cambodia on xmas 1968. (http://dailykos.com/story/2004/8/12/184326/074)
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/08/18/kerry_disputes_allegations_on_cambodia/
Holiday in Cambodia: The "Christmas Eve" attack on Kerry is cheap and almost certainly wrong. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2105529/)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250004

John Kerry earned a Bronze Star, a Silver Star, and 3 Purple Hearts.
If a Republican chickenhawk had that kind of record, anyone questioning his service would be shipped to Guatanamo.
If John Kerry’s Medals Are Tainted, Does That Mean My Medals Are Tainted Too? (http://www.jamesglaser.org/2004/p20040810.html)

Bush IS the best person to run this country and the only president in American history that is greater than George W. is Ronald Reagan

What do you find so great in Bush or Reagan other than there respective charisma?

That's like saying the only baseball player in history greater than Yogi Berra is Pedro Guivera.

Spare me.

I just love the neocons relentless attempt at revisionist history. You really have admire them for this. Just a brief historical rolecall:

1. President Abraham Lincoln helped reunite this country, and led the union through a tumultous civil war.

2. President Franklin D. Roosevelt helped lift the country from the clutches of a severe economic depression and through a World War---and produced the strongest economic and militarized country on the face of the planet at the close of WWII.

3. President John F. Kennedy led an assault on social and political injustice in the United States by supporting civil rights and voting rights legislation; actions which alienated him politically from large voting blocks in the southern states. His Vice-President (LBJ) finished this work following his assassination. President Kennedy also provided this country with hope, and a vision our ourselves and our place in the world so optimistic and pervasive that it endures to this day.

But President Reagan is the "best ever," with President Bush II running a close second?

Dont leave out Truman or LBJ(though you gave him a mention, he was the primary force for civil rights, etc)...

You know, I was just thinking about this and in the Freudian sense, on a general issue by issue basis, it may not be too far from the truth all partisan stances aside. :eek:

Please, please, please. For the love of god do not ever use freudian theory to suggest something is a mental disorder. Since believing in Freudian theory actually is a mental disorder (ever heard of Penis envy, some seriously fucked up shit). Use cognitive, behavioural or even Biological theories to justify it, but dont use Freud.

( I know this is off topic but i felt i needed to make sure that people realised that Freud is bullshit before they started actually believing it)

Aaaaaannnnnnnnnd... how many months has it been since the election now?
It's been half a bleeding year now. Kerry is irrelevant at this point except to his constituency in MA.

Some people just seem to get a charge out of perpetuating irrelevant debates months after the fact since hindsight obviously makes it much easier to argue their point as if the event were still going on.

Revisionist history is something at which both Bush and Kerry were/are prodigious. The whole Texan act, for example. He's from New England. He's a bloody YANKEE for heaven's sake. His entire identity is revisionist history.

It was taken out of context. He had a unidirectional mic that only picked up what he said, but the people in the room were screaming for him like he was a Beatles reunion, so he had to shout over them to show that he shared their enthusiasm. There were other clips from that event that showed it that way, but he was too dangerous a candidate for Bush to run against, so the press decided to sabotage Dean so that Bush would only have to run against the anemic John Kerry.


Actually most conservatives wanted Dean to run, he was the weakest out of all the Democrati challengers. He would of got the Republicans out in larger droves than Kerry did. The only person that will top that will be Hillary if she gets the nod.

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)


Im a major republican here, but i do know that Bush isnt "the sharpest tool in the shed" so to speak. Kerry, however good of a speaker he is, thanks god, was not elected over bush. Honestly, who cares on how well the president can annunciate his words, if you choose a president based on how well he says nuclear, i dont think i want you voting. You have to base your decision on policies. Honestly, i wouldnt care if bush dropped dead right now, as long as a republican with similar views as he took the office. There is a time where republicans are needed in office, and a time where liberals are needed in office. In the instance of foriegn affairs crises, and the necessity for american to stand strong and not bend down to the criticizing liberal nations of Europe, Republicans are needed in office. If there was a loing period where no one was messing with us, then a liberal would be the best for president, b/c we could increase technology and all that other nice stuff (ie, during clinton/gore admin).

so thankfully we have Bush twice, and im hoping for another 1 or 2 admins, atleast, of republicans, who can actually deal with the problems, rather than the liberals who will 'talk about the problems and do very little about them'. after the 'problems' are 'fixed', and we're all safe and cozy and nice, then a liberal president is free to go into office in my book.l

You dont know what you are talking about! Conservatives and Republicans are rich guys, that dont know what they are talking about! Liberals are people that have REALLY read the issues and then jumped on a side. I got to give props to Bush because he covered alot of crap that he had made in the past 4 years!

Sorry to say but the Democrats have more money on their side now a days. Or maybe you have forgotten about these. The % to party show where the entire donation went, Here is the link to the information
Political donors to the Parties (http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/topindivs.asp?cycle=2002)

Saban, Haim & Cheryl 9.3 mil 100% to Democrat
Eychaner, Fred a bit under 7.5 mil 100% to Democrat
Bing, Stephen L. 6.7 mil 100% to democrat
Kirsch, Steve T. & Michele 3.3 mil 100% to Democrat
Schwartz, Bernard L. & Irene 2.3 mil 99% to Democrat
Corzine, Jon S. & Joanne D. 2.1 mil 98% to Democrat
Simon, Melvin & Bren 2.0 mil 100% Democrat
Angelos, Peter G. & Georgia K. 1.8 mil 99% Democrat
O'Quinn, John M. 1.8 mil 100% democrat
Arnall, Roland E. & Dawn 1.5 mil 35% Democrat 65% Republican


Out of the top 100 Donors this last election cycle 65 of them went for Democrat and 35 went for Republican. So it seems your logic about the Republicans having the money is a bit off I would say. Especially since the highest republican donor was 1.5 mil, while the democrats have the top 9 donors. Hell in the top 20 there are 4 Republicans the rest Democrats. So take this reasoning else where you have failed for the myth given by your Liberal masters that they are poor and the Republicans hold all the money.


edited for spelling mistakes, another reason not to post when you have been up for 20 hrs straight.

Sorry to say but the Democrats have more money on their side now a days. Or maybe you have forgotten about these. The % to party show where all the donation went. Here is the link to the information
Political donors to the Parties (http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/topindivs.asp?cycle=2002)

Saban, Haim & Cheryl 9.3 mil 100% to Democrat
Eychaner, Fred a bit under 7.5 mil 100% to Democrat
Bing, Stephen L. 6.7 mil 100% to democrat
Kirsch, Steve T. & Michele 3.3 mil 100% to Democrat
Schwartz, Bernard L. & Irene 2.3 mil 99% to Democrat
Corzine, Jon S. & Joanne D. 2.1 mil 98% to Democrat
Simon, Melvin & Bren 2.0 mil 100% Democrat
Angelos, Peter G. & Georgia K. 1.8 mil 99% Democrat
O'Quinn, John M. 1.8 mil 100% democrat
Arnall, Roland E. & Dawn 1.5 mil 35% Democrat 65% Republican


Out of the top 100 Donors this last election cycle 65 of them went for Democrat and 35 went for Republican. So it seems your logic about the Republicans having the money is a bit off I would say. Especially the Highest republican donor is 1.5 mil, while the democrats have the top 9 donors. Hell in the top 20 there are 4 Republicans the rest Democrats. So take this reasoning else where you have falled for the myth given by your Liberal masters that they are poor and the Republicans hold all the money.


...and yet with all the money, and all the publicity (thank you michael moore, whoopi goldberg, sean penn, p diddy, and all the other hollywood ppl who were trying to help kerry win), bush still won. goes to show you, the glamour of hollywood, and all the money in the world wont buy you an election. Democrats, learn from your mistakes, instead of trying to appeal to the masses with bright lights, and showy signs (and movies), try to get to the people with whats important... the ISSUES that they want resolved.

...and yet with all the money, and all the publicity (thank you michael moore, whoopi goldberg, sean penn, p diddy, and all the other hollywood ppl who were trying to help kerry win), bush still won. goes to show you, the glamour of hollywood, and all the money in the world wont buy you an election. Democrats, learn from your mistakes, instead of trying to appeal to the masses with bright lights, and showy signs (and movies), try to get to the people with whats important... the ISSUES that they want resolved.


But you forget the only reason Reagan one was because of that flashy packaging. Heck the second time around he was so flashy and good at the lies he took all but 1 state. Which btw way was Washington D.C. not really state but it gets counted. Minnesota split 50/50 though so I guess that would count.

Oh and for a list of John Kerry's flip flops look here (http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm#Troop%20Funding) . Details each one.


I think that site above all else qualifies Kerry as a pychatic little POS that should be removed from the Senate. To bad the Mass. voters do not have the intelligence to see through his lies.

Oh and for a list of John Kerry's flip flops look here (http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm#Troop%20Funding) . Details each one.


I think that site above all else qualifies Kerry as a pychatic little POS that should be removed from the Senate. To bad the Mass. voters do not have the intelligence to see through his lies.


i absolutely agree with you... hm i guess the hollywood glamour worked for reagan, sucks for kerry that it didnt work for him (possibly 1 too many botox injections). I love the kerry flip flops page, i dont think he is a stupid man, but he just has to make up his goddamn mind someday. Mass. voters are too blinded by issues such as same-sex marriage, and other issues of less importance to the country, to realize kerry really didnt have a decisions on any issue, and that he was a little psycho.

PS I abhor the man, however, i do hate Howard Dean, and Hillary Clinton, more than I hate kerry.

I think that site above all else qualifies Kerry as a pychatic little POS that should be removed from the Senate. To bad the Mass. voters do not have the intelligence to see through his lies.

Are you serious ? Have you actually *looked* at what the site calls flipflops ?
Take abortion: his stance in 1972 is put next to his current stance. Yes, he has changed his mind after 30+ years. Oh dear, what a flipflopper... Nafta: a 10 year difference. Military Service for Public Office : 10 years. Health Coverage: 10 years. Some of the other issues have less extreme amounts of years between them, but still the operating term is "years".

Do note that I'm not a Kerry fan. Nor a Bush fan. I consider them both inadequate.

Oh and for a list of John Kerry's flip flops look here (http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm#Troop%20Funding) . Details each one.


I think that site above all else qualifies Kerry as a pychatic little POS that should be removed from the Senate. To bad the Mass. voters do not have the intelligence to see through his lies.

Changing your mind qualifies you as a psychotic (i assume thats what you were saying) piece if shit? In that case we should probably lock up 99% of the population, becuase lets face it, everybody changes their mind sometimes.

(I am not a kerry fan, in fact i dont actually support any major american politician, none of them would know what compromise was if it came and sat in thier face, that and the hideous corruption in your politics)

Please, please, please. For the love of god do not ever use freudian theory to suggest something is a mental disorder. Since believing in Freudian theory actually is a mental disorder (ever heard of Penis envy, some seriously fucked up shit). Use cognitive, behavioural or even Biological theories to justify it, but dont use Freud.

( I know this is off topic but i felt i needed to make sure that people realised that Freud is bullshit before they started actually believing it)

I actually agree with you on this for the most part. While he is fun to quote from time to time the man had CLEARLY lost his mind long before he started publishing anything. I'm not particularly fond of the profession that sprung from his work either.

Are you serious ? Have you actually *looked* at what the site calls flipflops ?
Take abortion: his stance in 1972 is put next to his current stance. Yes, he has changed his mind after 30+ years. Oh dear, what a flipflopper... Nafta: a 10 year difference. Military Service for Public Office : 10 years. Health Coverage: 10 years. Some of the other issues have less extreme amounts of years between them, but still the operating term is "years".

Do note that I'm not a Kerry fan. Nor a Bush fan. I consider them both inadequate.

It shows me he doesn't have a core belief. I have held the same beliefs for my entire life. From when I was a little kid, I think abortion is wrong save for a few extreme cases, Rape, Incest, life of mother or child has something wrong with them that the parents can not handle. Even in the last one there is Adoption. I have held that belief for as long as I can remember. That is for instance, if you have a core belief it stays with you. It doesn't change because of something that comes along that might get you a few more votes.

Kerry is a psychotic, yes that is what I meant to tired to catch every mis-spelling, POS because his stances on issues are far from the mainstream of America today.

i absolutely agree with you... hm i guess the hollywood glamour worked for reagan, sucks for kerry that it didnt work for him (possibly 1 too many botox injections).

PS I abhor the man, however, i do hate Howard Dean, and Hillary Clinton, more than I hate kerry.

Or the orange skin he had in the last month, I think that turned off some voters. Then there was his plan that he couldn't tell us.

I agree Dean and Hillary are way out there, of course that makes them easy to beat in upcoming elections. Hillary is trying to re-invent herself, but that will only last as long as the month of Aug 2008. Then her record, like Kerry's, will bury her even more with the voters in the middle of the Country.

Kerry is a politician. Being so means he cannot have a firm stance on any issue. He must, in his mind, blow with the wind to remain popular in order to be elected. The goal of all politicians is to be elected again.
He is not insane, he merely has no core beliefs strong enough to override his desire to be elected.
Politicians are abomination.

Kerry is a politician. Being so means he cannot have a firm stance on any issue. He must, in his mind, blow with the wind to remain popular in order to be elected. The goal of all politicians is to be elected again.
He is not insane, he merely has no core beliefs strong enough to override his desire to be elected.
Politicians are abomination.

Thats what I said several pages back.

But in the final analysis Kerry wouldve been a far superior leader to the atrocity thats in there now

Thats what I said several pages back.

I thought somebody must have but being a lazy person I chosse to risk repetition rather than reading every post. All that clicking and scrolling. . .sheesh.

But in the final analysis Kerry wouldve been a far superior leader to the atrocity thats in there now

Well gee, you used the phrase "final analysis" and using that phrase automatically ends all counter arguement. Guess this thread is now dead in the water. Way to go BP, threadkiller!!! :eek:

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell

John Kerry in a nutshell.

See here's the thing, that's how John Kerry speaks...George Orwell, bless his genius brain, now contradicts himself in that your 'long words' include words like idioms and insecurity because Republicans (as you have successfully stereotyped here) clearly can't understand English comprehensively.

The BS detector has just exploded. Please send me $19.95 to fix it.

No, really. It's actually true. Fascinating article here from the Washington Times.

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/articles/news/roberts.html

The numbers have changed since 2000 and, sadly, the men who could be King of America today, both Paul Emory Washington and Felix Craig, are now deceased. I am a Washington of John Augustine's line.

See here's the thing, that's how John Kerry speaks...George Orwell, bless his genius brain, now contradicts himself in that your 'long words' include words like idioms and insecurity because Republicans (as you have successfully stereotyped here) clearly can't understand English comprehensively.


So because he speaks that way it makes it right? If you want to reach the voters you shouldn't ramble on for 40 min and not make a point. You should not tell them you have a plan then refuse to discuss it. But if they want to hear the plan then they have to elect them. You should not in one speech say you support/oppose something. Then go to another State and reverse your stance, just because you are speaking to a different group. In today's information society that is political suicide.

I have held the same beliefs for my entire life.

So, in short, you never matured.

I thought somebody must have but being a lazy person I chosse to risk repetition rather than reading every post. All that clicking and scrolling. . .sheesh.
That is annoying.

Sure I have, instead of sitting at home till I was in my 30's like most of my liberal friends are doing now. I moved out at the age of 18 joined the military and started to live my life. I have a family, great job and two great kids, my kids are well adjusted and observant. They can tell when someone is bull shitting them as Kerry tried to do in this last election. My daughter knew he was a snake and something was wrong when he couldn't even discuss his plan.

I still hold to my beliefs that have sustained me these years and they guide me through whatever I encounter. I have been dirt poor, filthy rich and been middle class. I prefer to be middle class fewer headaches that way. When I run for political office in my county I will still hold to my beliefs and make the voters pick me because of those beliefs. Not because I think they want to hear something else. Unlike Democrats and Republicans today, I feel the American public is educated enough to form an opinion on information given. I will not have to hide what I believe or try to sugar coat anything. Give the hard core truth and then you can be judged, that is the sign of maturity not changing your mind on a whim or because someone presents a different point of view and berates you into believing something else. This is how most Democrats/Liberals debate now days or call you names and say how you haven’t matured.

I still hold to the belief that Kerry is psychotic nut job that needs to be locked up for further study. No one that spineless can be sane. You are of course free to your opinion, I have mine you have yours and I sure they both stink.

Well gee, you used the phrase "final analysis" and using that phrase automatically ends all counter arguement. Guess this thread is now dead in the water. Way to go BP, threadkiller!!! :eek:
didnt you know whoever gets the last word win? :)

The republicans have to go back to Teddy Roosevelt, that's why they've decided that it's easier to make Reagan look like a good president even though he was the champion of south American facism.

Erm, you really want to compare Reagan to Clinton in the "need to make look good" department? ;)

Seriously: All Presidents have good and bad aspects. But in 1980, another 4 years of Carter was obviously not the answer. Reagan, at the end of the day, was a MUCH better President than most post WW2, warts and all.

Its always fun to see republicans buy into the Neocon propoganda machine, and close their eyes and ears to anything else. Because obviously, Bush has never flip-floped, has always been clear on his plans, and made perfect choices, while john kerry is a spineless, flip-floping psychopath. Obviously.

Sure I have, instead of sitting at home till I was in my 30's like most of my liberal friends are doing now. I moved out at the age of 18 joined the military and started to live my life. I have a family, great job and two great kids, my kids are well adjusted and observant. They can tell when someone is bull shitting them as Kerry tried to do in this last election. My daughter knew he was a snake and something was wrong when he couldn't even discuss his plan.

Uh huh ... well I'm the most liberal/leftist/pinko-commie bastard you'll ever have the pleasure to meet and come from a long line of the same ...

I moved out at 17 and joined the military at 18 and started to live my life. I have a family, a great job, a loving wife, and four great children. My children are very intelligent and observant and can tell when something's not quite right and they know George Bush to be evil epitomised.

My ten year old is very aware of how telling a lie big enough and long enough forces people to believe it and she's watched the Bushes do that.

So ... what's the point again? Incidently, over 70% of serial killers and mass murderers vote Republican.

Its always fun to see republicans buy into the Neocon propoganda machine, and close their eyes and ears to anything else. Because obviously, Bush has never flip-floped, has always been clear on his plans, and made perfect choices, while john kerry is a spineless, flip-floping psychopath. Obviously.

:D

Shining Bush moment for me:

When during the debate he was asked if he could name three mistakes he'd made. He hemmed and hawed and skirted the question with a "Oh, sure, maybe ... a long time ago ... but they were little things and I'm not getting into them."

Can't even admit he might be wrong about something. I always do love a self-proclaimed god.

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

I like candy.

Shamelessly uttered for no reason at all.

What about G.W.'s town hall meetings, hmm? He can't take heat from anybody, so he stages them!

So because he speaks that way it makes it right? If you want to reach the voters you shouldn't ramble on for 40 min and not make a point. You should not tell them you have a plan then refuse to discuss it. But if they want to hear the plan then they have to elect them. You should not in one speech say you support/oppose something. Then go to another State and reverse your stance, just because you are speaking to a different group. In today's information society that is political suicide.

I think what he's saying is that George W. Bush lies in nice little soundbites that are easy to pretend to understand, like "I believe that man and fish can peacfully coexist," or "it's hard for some people to put food on their families" or when he said of Kerry's accurate accusation that Bush said that he doesn't care about catching Osama Bin Laden that "that must be one of those 'exaggerations.'

John Kerry goes and actually explains what the hell he's talking about. And then Bush used to respond "well how'sat work?" and conservatives would say to themselves "yup, I don't immediatly understand it without thinking at all, it must be a lie."

Bush's speech is Orwellian because he says meaningless things that the listeners interpret the way that they want. John Kerry explains himself in clear unequivocal ways that conservatives just don't have the attention span to follow.

Bush's speech is Orwellian because he says meaningless things that the listeners interpret the way that they want. John Kerry explains himself in clear unequivocal ways that conservatives just don't have the attention span to follow.
Yes, indeed. I think the classic case of Kerry saying something that conservatives just couldn't understand was about the funding for the military in Iraq and Ashcanistan. "I voted for the 87 billion, before I voted against it" is probably the most clear and self-explanatory statement ever.

By the way, it's been more than 100 days since Kerry promised to sign the SF whatever that would allow access to ALL his service records. These records would lay to rest several areas of contention between his accounts and the accounts of the Swift Boat veterans that spoke out against him.

By the way again, Kerry just participated in a unanimous vote by the Senate to pass a 82 billion emergency war spending bill for military operations in SWA. What's changed? Oh, he's not posturing for the left right now.

No, really. It's actually true. Fascinating article here from the Washington Times.

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/articles/news/roberts.html

The numbers have changed since 2000 and, sadly, the men who could be King of America today, both Paul Emory Washington and Felix Craig, are now deceased. I am a Washington of John Augustine's line.


You are so full of crap. A jew, indian, muslim, armyman. Good grief.

BTW my ancestors probably killed and scalped your ancestors.

You are so full of crap. A jew, indian, muslim, armyman. Good grief.

Why is it so far fetched? Don't you have more than one grandparent? Don't those grandparents have their own individual ancestry? You have, in your genetics, 16 great-great grandparents. 16 people, all of whom culminate into you. If 2 of those are Irish, 3 of them Native Americans, 2 of them Black, 4 of them French, 3 of them Turkish, and 2 of them Dutch ... then you are an Irish Native American Black Franco Dutch Turk ...

Why is that so hard to conceive? Granted, that's more of a mix than most people are. My grandparents are Jewish, Cajun, Native American, and Irish. Last I checked, neither Muslim nor Military service constitutes genetic makeup, but rather things I've chosen to do with my life.

Although, I imagine you probably think you're pure lilly white as the driven snow 100% bloodline or somesuch. Inbreeding does that to people, I suppose. Go figure.

BTW my ancestors probably killed and scalped your ancestors.

I doubt that highly.

I doubt that highly.

Your indian relatives were butchered by certain members of my family.


Oh, and you tell more lies then Johnny Wadd ever did. George Washington? You should have been more creative and said something like Woodrow Wilson.

Your indian relatives were butchered by certain members of my family.


Oh, and you tell more lies then Johnny Wadd ever did. George Washington? You should have been more creative and said something like Woodrow Wilson.
Maybe he meant indian as from INDIA
Nor were American Indians the only form of “Indians” in North America (i.e something like eskamo)

Maybe he meant indian as from INDIA


No, he means indian as in Village People.

Your indian relatives were butchered by certain members of my family.

My tribe was not butchered. I have no idea what you're talking about.


Oh, and you tell more lies then Johnny Wadd ever did. George Washington? You should have been more creative and said something like Woodrow Wilson.

Woodrow Wilson would be a lie. I am descendent of George Washington's brother. My last name is Washington. I've done the genaeology as well as others. You want a scan of my driver's license and membership to the Sons of the America Revolution (which you have to prove your lineage to even apply)?

I'm thinking you're just jealous that I not only know who I am, but that from which I came. Do you even know your father's name?

No, he means indian as in Village People.
How do you know? not to mention that American Indian is not the only form of "indian" he could have been ... there were tribes up through into canada and even farther north (eskamo) that wouldent have been killed by your relitives

How do you know? not to mention that American Indian is not the only form of "indian" he could have been ... there were tribes up through into canada and even farther north (eskamo) that wouldent have been killed by your relitives

Heh ... no ... I am Nakohodotsi Caddo. A NE Texan tribe. We were never butchered. We had a treaty with the Republic of Texas that they upheld.

Heh ... no ... I am Nakohodotsi Caddo. A NE Texan tribe.
:) well either way he was assuming way to much for his statements (with the info he had to go on)

My tribe was not butchered. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Your "tribe" did battle against us for a time. So some butcherings did take place.




Woodrow Wilson would be a lie. I am descendent of George Washington's brother. My last name is Washington. I've done the genaeology as well as others. You want a scan of my driver's license and membership to the Sons of the America Revolution (which you have to prove your lineage to even apply)?

I'm thinking you're just jealous that I not only know who I am, but that from which I came. Do you even know your father's name?

You are full of it. First, you look like a freak (I've seen your photo), second, you may have the last name of Washington, but that does not make you a descendant. What do you mean you've done "others". Did you keep picking different Washingtons' until you found the "best" one?


You don't know who you are! With that silly bloodline of yours, I'd be all messed up too. Go tell it to allah.

BTW-Your mother most likely lied to your daddy and said it was his. Your kind are not really known for being honest. ;)

:) well either way he was assuming way to much for his statements (with the info he had to go on)

Duh! He earlier stated what he was!

Plus I can't help it if my forefathers were homicidal in regards to the indians. Certain men in my family were famous indian killers, and had collected large numbers of scalps. :(

Your "tribe" did battle against us for a time. So some butcherings did take place.

The only tribe my tribe ever did battle with in our recorded history was with a tribe that doesn't even exist anymore. I've told you what my tribe is ... what's yours?

Prove I'm a liar. Name who the Nakohodotsi did battle with that you could possibly be a descendent of and which ever practised scalping.

Ball's in your court, Wadd. It's also important to note that my tribe never did battle with Mexico, the United States, or the Republic of Texas. We've lived in peace for thousands of years.

You are full of it. First, you look like a freak (I've seen your photo),
With that silly bloodline of yours, I'd be all messed up too. Go tell it to allah.

BTW-Your mother most likely lied to your daddy and said it was his. Your kind are not really known for being honest. ;)
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Yes, indeed. I think the classic case of Kerry saying something that conservatives just couldn't understand was about the funding for the military in Iraq and Ashcanistan. "I voted for the 87 billion, before I voted against it" is probably the most clear and self-explanatory statement ever.

By the way, it's been more than 100 days since Kerry promised to sign the SF whatever that would allow access to ALL his service records. These records would lay to rest several areas of contention between his accounts and the accounts of the Swift Boat veterans that spoke out against him.

By the way again, Kerry just participated in a unanimous vote by the Senate to pass a 82 billion emergency war spending bill for military operations in SWA. What's changed? Oh, he's not posturing for the left right now.


just out of curiosity, have you even seen his voting stances in the past on military issues??
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/apr/aug255.html
can you just imagine what it would have been like had this idiot gotten into the white house? With a voting record like that, Hell Id move to switzerland if he came pres.And Clinton really didnt help with giving China and N. Korea nuclear technology.

So ... what's the point again? Incidently, over 70% of serial killers and mass murderers vote Republican.


What do their victim's vote?

here's another thread that plunked right into the sewer...

What do their victim's vote?

Now that's humor! I could actually hear the "ba-dum chick" in my head after reading that. :D

Now that's humor! I could actually hear the "ba-dum chick" in my head after reading that. :D


thank you, thank you.

I was just trying to douse the flames, but didnt realise I was so late.

The only tribe my tribe ever did battle with in our recorded history was with a tribe that doesn't even exist anymore. I've told you what my tribe is ... what's yours?

Prove I'm a liar. Name who the Nakohodotsi did battle with that you could possibly be a descendent of and which ever practised scalping.

Ball's in your court, Wadd. It's also important to note that my tribe never did battle with Mexico, the United States, or the Republic of Texas. We've lived in peace for thousands of years.


It was sort of a blood fued between my families indian hunters and your tribe. I'm sorry they burned and raped the land, but hell that's all water under the bridge. :)

BTW who is this Wadd you speak of?

PS-You know what they say about Texas, don't you?


Ooops, sorry just remembered who that Wadd was. That disabled Vet right?

What do their victim's vote?

The Green Party, as it is their color shortly after they meet their killers'.

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell

John Kerry in a nutshell.

Amen, brother.

I personally dont care for John Kerry. I expressed myself when I voted. I cant stand when other people who may have voted the same way I did cheapen my stance on something by dragging it into the gutter.
I dont hink he's insane. I just wouldnt vote for him because he isnt the type of leader I want. Now if you happen to disagree with me, I wont target your lineage and beliefs for mocking. I'll just let you vote for the one you prefer.

?

PS-You know what they say about Texas, don't you?



Yeah- "Everythings big in Texas"

Now if you happen to disagree with me, I wont target your lineage and beliefs for mocking.

Was this somehow directed at myself?

Yeah- "Everythings big in Texas"


Sorry liver lips, it's steers and you know what.

Alaska is a bigger state then Texas.

Originally Posted by Keruvalia

So ... what's the point again? Incidently, over 70% of serial killers and mass murderers vote Republican.


Now there's a wonderfully irresponsible and totally fallacious thing to say. It is every bit as true for me to say that all Democrats are paranoid schizophrenics. :rolleyes:

Why do so many people feel the only way to build themselves up is to tear other people down?

Was this somehow directed at myself?


Not you personally, but people all those who do that across the board-on both sides, which is rampant in this thread. It totally undermines and discredits almost anything of substance you happen to say.

Not you personally, but people all those who do that across the board-on both sides, which is rampant in this thread. It totally undermines and discredits almost anything of substance you happen to say.


Ah I see now. Question? What if a poster never posts anything of substance?

Sorry liver lips, it's steers and you know what.

Alaska is a bigger state then Texas.


I'm well aware of the "steers & queers" line. I'm old enough to know the guy that made it up.

I'm also well aware of the size of Texas and the size of Alaska.

They DO say "Everything is big in Texas". But trying to make me sound wrong by calling me silver lips takes away from whatever you had to say.

I'm well aware of the "steers & queers" line. I'm old enough to know the guy that made it up.

I'm also well aware of the size of Texas and the size of Alaska.

They DO say "Everything is big in Texas". But trying to make me sound wrong by calling me silver lips takes away from whatever you had to say.


Not silver, liver!

Ah I see now. Question? What if a poster never posts anything of substance?

Was this somehow directed at me?

Was this somehow directed at me?

No.

Not silver, liver!


You're right-my mistake. Being optimistic,I was giving you more credit than that.

Ah I see now. Question? What if a poster never posts anything of substance?


I guess it doesnt matter then.

You're right-my mistake. Being optimistic,I was giving you more credit than that.

It's actually not offensive as liver lips means just someone with big, meaty lips. Here (http://www.queenmania.net/images/fotografie/freddie_mercury/freddie_mercury_78.jpg) is an example.

Now there's a wonderfully irresponsible and totally fallacious thing to say. It is every bit as true for me to say that all Democrats are paranoid schizophrenics. :rolleyes:


Okie ... my statement was non-causal relationship in motion. An exercise in academics. Most white males vote Republican in the United States and nearly all serial killers are white males. Hence, the non-causal relationship leads us to say "A majority of serial killers vote Republican".

I didn't say, as you assert, that "all Republicans are serial killers", which would be an exercise in extremist hyperbole.

You really just don't understand wit at all, do you, Horatio?

Okie ... my statement was non-causal relationship in motion. An exercise in academics. Most white males vote Republican in the United States and nearly all serial killers are white males. Hence, the non-causal relationship leads us to say "A majority of serial killers vote Republican".

I didn't say, as you assert, that "all Republicans are serial killers", which would be an exercise in extremist hyperbole.

You really just don't understand wit at all, do you, Horatio?


I have big meaty liver lips, so I cant even respond. Maybe I'll start my serial killing spree now.

Lareth']He may contradict himself, but at least he knows how to speak, as opposed to our dear president Bush. Bush likes to make up sentences and words that make no sense. Or claim that "I have coined new words, like misunderstanding and Hispanically" That sounds intelligent, right?

Dude. Misunderstanding is a word.

I have big meaty liver lips, so I cant even respond. Maybe I'll start my serial killing spree now.

Can I give you some addresses?

I have big meaty liver lips, so I cant even respond. Maybe I'll start my serial killing spree now.

If you have big, meaty lips and baloney tits, then you should follow the Dahmer school of Serial Killing.

Okie ... my statement was non-causal relationship in motion. An exercise in academics. Most white males vote Republican in the United States and nearly all serial killers are white males. Hence, the non-causal relationship leads us to say "A majority of serial killers vote Republican".

I didn't say, as you assert, that "all Republicans are serial killers", which would be an exercise in extremist hyperbole.

You really just don't understand wit at all, do you, Horatio?

Oh. That was wit? Here and I thought wit was supposed to be funny. Silly me.

Can I give you some addresses?


Yeah, but I'll first need to know what political party they belong to.

If you have big, meaty lips and baloney tits, then you should follow the Dahmer school of Serial Killing.


that reminds me-I havent had baloney in years. Boar's head has a good baloney.

yes

that reminds me-I havent had baloney in years. Boar's head has a good baloney.
Yeah, I know a good story about baloney!!! yeah!! It was a good few years ago and me and some of my friends would go down to the arcades and you know... play games there. Anyway one of my friends (Germany) asked me- while I was in the middle of playing pong- if i had ever tried baloney. I laughed in the twits face for asking such a silly question. "Of course I have you silly bugger" I told him. But then he lay it down for me. He confessed, right there in the arcade, that he had never had baloney. Of course i tried not to laugh at him and told him that it was perfectly OK to not have had baloney at his age (we were only 17) and told him that one day he would find the right baloney and until then he should just be happy with his lot. Well he was certainly happy and with that he continued playing until we had all ran out of money and had to go all the way back home!! I also saw a squirrel that day. Bye.

Oh. That was wit? Here and I thought wit was supposed to be funny. Silly me.

Wit is the natural ability to perceive and understand. It has nothing to do with being funny. Yes ... silly, you.

Yeah, but I'll first need to know what political party they belong to.

It doesn't matter .... they're all Unitarians. *shudder*

that reminds me-I havent had baloney in years. Boar's head has a good baloney.


Hatfields' makes delicious baloney (and scrumptious scrapple), but alas our muslim friends will have to skip these delicious products next time they go to their local grocers.

Also try their bacon, Ring Bologna, and various other Pork Products.

PS-Their Saurkraut comes fresh in bags, check your local meat department.

You are so full of crap. A jew, indian, muslim, armyman. Good grief.

BTW my ancestors probably killed and scalped your ancestors.

I guarantee that of the two of you, Keruvalia comes across as far more trustworthy. I would take his word before yours anyday.

And what's so impossible about having both Jewish and Indian blood? What's so impossible about a liberal joining the army? What's so impossible about converting to Islam?

And why would anyone be proud of ancestors potentially being murderers?

I guarantee that of the two of you, Keruvalia comes across as far more trustworthy. I would take his word before yours anyday.

And what's so impossible about having both Jewish and Indian blood? What's so impossible about a liberal joining the army? What's so impossible about converting to Islam?

And why would anyone be proud of ancestors potentially being murderers?

And why are you talking to me?

BTW it's not murder if they are animals.

And why are you talking to me?

BTW it's not murder if they are animals.
Humans ARE part of the animal kingdom so despitea your intended derogatory meaning you still managed to be correct his ancestors were animals as were yours as was mine

Humans ARE part of the animal kingdom so despitea your intended derogatory meaning you still managed to be correct his ancestors were animals as were yours as was mine

Yes it was such a derogatory term. You need to get that stick out of your ass, it'll keep irritating you until it's removed.

Humans ARE part of the animal kingdom so despitea your intended derogatory meaning you still managed to be correct his ancestors were animals as were yours as was mine

BTW Not much else to do there in MN?

BTW Not much else to do there in MN?
Says the poster who has been responding to me all day as well :rolleyes:

Says the poster who has been responding to me all day as well :rolleyes:


You see, all of this down time gives me a chance to really put out some rather useful and informative information. I'm actually doing a service.

"You know what you look like with those bad shoes and good bag? You look like a rube."-B. Dooley

You see, all of this down time gives me a chance to really put out some rather useful and informative information. I'm actually doing a service.

"You know what you look like with those bad shoes and good bag? You look like a rube."-B. Dooley
Not my idea of quality information

You see, all of this down time gives me a chance to really put out some rather useful and informative information. I'm actually doing a service.

"You know what you look like with those bad shoes and good bag? You look like a rube."-B. Dooley
By the way is there any other type of information (by default all information is informative otherwise it would not be information)

Well, he contradicts himself all the time in debate... (shamelessly spawned from another thread)

Most politicians do. They're all spineless worms and idiots.

"You know what you look like with those bad shoes and good bag? You look like a rube."-B. Dooley

Wouldn't that be H. Lector?