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I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.

I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.
Wait, are you the kid that started the netherlands one? wtf?

No, I'm afraid that's not me.

Go for it. I plan to finish my undergraduate degree in Ireland; the best part is that you don't have to know any language other than english!

I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.
Ireland is great, I was there in august last. I even considerd going to film school there but changed my mind and am going to L.A. instead. Not that Ireland has bad schools, in fact they have great schools there like Trinity and Cork Uni. it was more fitting for me to go to L.A. thats all.
Dublin was unlike anything I had ever seen before, Temple Bar, Dublin Castle, Glasnevin etc. all great.
The people are friendly and the day to day life in general is priceless, more so for university students I think.
You should really think about it.

No, I'm afraid that's not me.
a lot of people have the option of moving to california...

yeah, but don't move to Dublin, move to Monaghan and uh, drink beer.

a lot of people have the option of moving to california...

Hah. Yes, that's very true though I'm already a native of California, born, raised, and currently located. I'm actually one of those dazed Californians fleeing the state for other, more hospitable locations.

Ireland is seriously lacking in young Americans who say 'my family came form here'. Honestly.

Ireland is seriously lacking in young Americans who say 'my family came form here'. Honestly.

Hmm. I knew that was going to come up at some point. I think Ireland is seriously lacking in young Americans who say 'my family came from here' who have grandparents born and raised in Ireland who were fluent in Irish Gaelic.

How active is the IRA currently? Even though I'm also of Irish decent, I really don't keep up with events in Ireland much...

How active is the IRA currently? Even though I'm also of Irish decent, I really don't keep up with events in Ireland much...
When in Ireland don't talk about them or the Northern Ireland issue, they are listening.

When in Ireland don't talk about them or the Northern Ireland issue, they are listening.

Which is why I'm asking here. It's hard to find any information on them (I had due research on them for Model UN, but could only find two lously sources).

Stay here, dammit! USA! USA! USA! Ahem. Sorry, that's my ration of zealous patriotism for the day.

Here's what the State Department says:

Ireland remains largely free of terrorist incidents. A peace agreement for Northern Ireland was ratified by voters in Ireland and Northern Ireland on May 22, 1998. While the ceasefire that came into effect at that time is officially holding, there have been spates of violence in Northern Ireland associated with paramilitary organizations. These incidents have the potential for some spillover into Ireland. Travelers to Northern Ireland should consult the Consular Information Sheet for the United Kingdom and Gibraltar.

Several Americans have reported incidents of verbal abuse and one reported a physical assault apparently in reaction to U.S. policy on the war on terrorism. As elsewhere in Europe, there have been public protests, which for the most part are peaceful and well policed. Americans are advised, nonetheless, to avoid public demonstrations in general and to monitor local media when protests occur.

Which is why I'm asking here. It's hard to find any information on them (I had due research on them for Model UN, but could only find two lously sources).
Depends, what do you want to know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army

When in Ireland don't talk about them or the Northern Ireland issue, they are listening.

Yeah. That's the impression I've gotten from a number of people. I've had to skate around the Taiwan issue on my trips to the Chinese mainland, so I'm sure I can avoid talk of Sinn Fein and the IRA.

I'm not terribly up on provisional IRA activities. I mean, there's the fact of the Robert McCartney killing and the current boycott of Sinn Fein by the U.S. government, but that's all I know.

Truth be told, discussing it makes me a little uncomfortable. =/

Keep in mind an important part of the quote:

While the ceasefire that came into effect at that time is officially holding, there have been spates of violence in Northern Ireland associated with paramilitary organizations. These incidents have the potential for some spillover into Ireland.

Be alert if you travel to Ireland. Register with the American Embassy in Dublin (https://travelregistration.state.gov/ibrs/home.asp). Read the Consular Information Sheet: http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1145.html.

Be sure to tear up your american passport the minute you board the plane. If losing an election or 2 is enough to make you abandon your homeland then we'll be better off without you.

Be sure to tear up your american passport the minute you board the plane. If losing an election or 2 is enough to make you abandon your homeland then we'll be better off without you.

Which would cause him/her to be arrested upon landing in Ireland... (You need a passport to enter, and a visa to live there longer than three months)

How active is the IRA currently? Even though I'm also of Irish decent, I really don't keep up with events in Ireland much...

What part of the IRA? Real, Continuity, Provisional, some other splinter group? As far as I know, CIRA, RIRA, and the Provos are still technically active, but haven't done much recently, and some of the splinter groups are active, but they are so small they can't really carry out operations. As far as I know, it was members of one of the splinter groups who killed Robery McCartney.

Be sure to tear up your american passport the minute you board the plane. If losing an election or 2 is enough to make you abandon your homeland then we'll be better off without you.

Well, we're a little trigger happy, are we not?

I didn't even mention the Bush presidency nor my political affiliation once during this thread as a reason for my moving. For all you know, I'm a conservative Republican (even though I'm definitely not).

Here's all the information you need on living in Ireland from the Irish Embassy in Washington D.C.:

http://www.irelandemb.org/living.html

Also note:

Anyone born outside Ireland, whose father or mother is an Irish citizen not born in Ireland or who has at least one Irish born grandparent, may be able to register as an Irish citizen by having his or her birth entered in the Irish Register of Foreign Births at the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin or at the nearest Irish diplomatic or consular mission. Please see Irish Citizenship by Descent (FBR).

So you could get a citizenship if you wanted to, since your grandparents were born in Ireland.

Here's the applying for citizenship section:
http://www.irelandemb.org/fbr.html

Here's all the information you need on living in Ireland from the Irish Embassy in Washington D.C.:

http://www.irelandemb.org/living.html

Also note:



So you could get a citizenship if you wanted to, since your grandparents were born in Ireland.

Yeah, I'd noticed that, though I'd not considered it before recently. :)

The rules for citizenship have changed ... the grandparent rule no longer applies in all cases.

And I wouldn't worry about avoiding protests in Dublin ... all my American friends go.

When in Ireland don't talk about them or the Northern Ireland issue, they are listening.
Are you serious he asks hesitantly? :confused:

Well, we're a little trigger happy, are we not?

I didn't even mention the Bush presidency nor my political affiliation once during this thread as a reason for my moving. For all you know, I'm a conservative Republican (even though I'm definitely not).

Context clues.

Do consider making the move permanent. Just give it some serious thought, please. It couldn't hurt just to give it a try for a year or ten. ;)

Yeah, come to Ireland, it's great! I live here!

For university, Trinity College is a great one. It has a great history and its standards remain very high.

yeah, but don't move to Dublin, move to Monaghan and uh, drink beer.
No, Monaghan sucks to be a student, but it worth visiting for the scenery.

Ireland is seriously lacking in young Americans who say 'my family came form here'. Honestly.Hmm. I knew that was going to come up at some point. I think Ireland is seriously lacking in young Americans who say 'my family came from here' who have grandparents born and raised in Ireland who were fluent in Irish Gaelic.
He's right! Don't forever talk about your Irish descent. It is one of the biggest negative stereotypes around, the American visitor claims Irish descent (note the word: claims). Even if your Irish ancestry is true, there will be some people who think you are bullshit.

How active is the IRA currently?
Nowhere near as bad as they were in the 70s and 80s. They are currently active as a criminal gang in Northern Ireland, more than as a terrorist group. The Republic is safe to live in. The North is a bit more dangerous, but it's certainly not a war zone.

Be sure to tear up your american passport the minute you board the plane. If losing an election or 2 is enough to make you abandon your homeland then we'll be better off without you.
He didn't say anything about the election.

He didn't say anything about the election.

So? Putting words in other people's mouths is so much fun :p

why do you have to ask? what a great way to find out about a country! go for it. in a year, youll know whether or not you want to stay.

Well, I've been living in Ireland for a little over two years now, and although I'm not from the US but from Germany, I would still say it's a good idea to come here.
I don't know much about the universities here as I finished university in Germany before I came here, but live here is great.
The country is beautiful, the people are relaxed, you've got all the weather you could wish for within every day ;)
If you decide to study in Dublin, you should be warned about the rents... they are completely crazy.
Have you ever been to Ireland before? If not I would suggest you visit it first before you decide to move here for a longer period of time. Just to be sure you really really like it and won't get stuck in a place that doesn't suit you.
Swimmingpool is right, don't go around talking about your Irish ancestry all the time... having grandparents that grew up in Ireland doesn't make you "Irish". After all, you didn't grow up here.
Btw., getting Irish citizenship will automatically entitle you to go and live anywhere you like in the European nation without permit or visa...

Yeah. That's the impression I've gotten from a number of people. I've had to skate around the Taiwan issue on my trips to the Chinese mainland, so I'm sure I can avoid talk of Sinn Fein and the IRA.

I'm not terribly up on provisional IRA activities. I mean, there's the fact of the Robert McCartney killing and the current boycott of Sinn Fein by the U.S. government, but that's all I know.

Truth be told, discussing it makes me a little uncomfortable. =/

Feel free to talk away, but remember:

1. Sinn Fein is a political party, and is one of the fastest growing political groups in the South.
and
2. Irish people don't support the IRA.

Are you serious he asks hesitantly? :confused:

He thinks he is, but NI is a nut.

There hasn't been a terrorist attack in the Republic for 10-15 years methinks, and even then there's only been 2 in the last 50 - most of the terrorism is in Northern Ireland, and the Irish in the Republic are completely against terrorism/voilence (the IRA that won the War of Independence was a gurrilla army, but not a terrorist army, and was under control of an elected government, the Dail).

If the violence were ever to spill over into the South, the situation in the North would need to be dire - really, really, bad - and even then it would probably be northern terrorists and not Southerners.
Anyway, the state the IRAs and Loyalists are in now (the IRA is a bunch of old men and idealists at the top, and petty criminals at the bottom, and the loyalists are just drug adicts), terrorism is unlikely.

Ireland has a good education system too - and going to uni is FREE! Unlike the north or the UK...

Ireland has a good education system too - and going to uni is FREE! Unlike the north or the UK...
I think thats only for Irish citzens though.

I think thats only for Irish citzens though.

AFAIK, from relatives, Uni in Ireland is free if you live there and if you go to an Irish Uni.

Seriously no.

AHAHAHAHA! 'is the IRA still active? Don't talk about the North or IRA in Ireland, its uncomfortable'... *wipes tears of laughter from eyes*

hilarious.

Are the Crips and Bloods still active in Florida? is the KKK still active in Ohio? please, no ones gives a f*** about them anymore. there a bunch of glorified bank robbers these days.

Sinn Fein will not get anywhere close to power in the Republic for at least another generation if that.

NEVER go on about your 'Irish' heritage, it is THE most annoying thing to hear... 'wow, my folks were from there, do you know the O'Briens?'
'yes i know the exact family you're talking about. Thee are absolutley NO other families in Ireland called O'Brien' :rolleyes:

Seriously though, dublins great. You'll have blast over here- especially if your a student. We'll treat ya nice. Be warned its gotten quite expensive over here. About 5 euros for a pint (em about 7/8 bucks i think.)

Oh and Trinity SUCK!:sniper: Booooo! UCD (University College Dublin) is the place to be. :D

Sorry about doing a slight hi-jack but this nearly on topic...

Could anyone with experience tell me when Irish Unis sort out offers/places etc. please. I'm starting to get slightly worried that it's taking so long.

(I may end up living there for a bit if I get into a Uni so it was knda on topic see)

I think thats only for Irish citzens though.
Only Irish and other EU citizens.

Seriously though, dublins great. You'll have blast over here- especially if your a student. We'll treat ya nice. Be warned its gotten quite expensive over here. About 5 euros for a pint (em about 7/8 bucks i think.)

Oh and Trinity SUCK!:sniper: Booooo! UCD (University College Dublin) is the place to be.
It can be expensive but in most places I can get a pint of guinness for under €4. I don't go to nightclubs. Hell, I don't go out much; I prefer to stay at home with my friends. It's easier to smoke that way.

Regarding Trinity vs. UCD; Trinity is a historic university. I don't go there, (I go to NCAD), but their grounds are lovely to relax in on sunny summer days. They're also located in the centre of the city.

As for UCD... stay away from them... they're all jocks and the university itself looks horrible.


The country is beautiful, the people are relaxed, you've got all the weather you could wish for within every day ;)
Yeah, be warned, the weather can be schizophrenic. You can sometimes get the brightest sun and the heaviest rain in one day.

But when it's unny in the summer it's absolutely beautiful. Some people think it's a shithole but I LOVE DUBLIN!

Cabra West, wasn't the weather great last Sunday? (15th May)

The Clontarf seafront was so beautiful... beyond compare.

Sorry about doing a slight hi-jack but this nearly on topic...

Could anyone with experience tell me when Irish Unis sort out offers/places etc. please. I'm starting to get slightly worried that it's taking so long.

(I may end up living there for a bit if I get into a Uni so it was knda on topic see)
Give me more details about your situation. What course at what university did you apply to? Did you apply through the CAO (http://www.cao.ie/)?

hah, yeah UCD IS full of Jocks and princesses i agree. plus it does look like it was designed by a Stalinist afficiando from the 60's :) but thats its charm!

it depends what course your doing- Dublin Unis are stronger for some stuff while others are better at others.

The weather here can be absolutley stupendous! (after 7 months on the rain ANY sun is great!)

The college places are normally given out by July/August, but i don't know what it's like for foreigners.

Try the link www.ucd.ie

Hah. Yes, that's very true though I'm already a native of California, born, raised, and currently located. I'm actually one of those dazed Californians fleeing the state for other, more hospitable locations.
you're one of those that all the other states fear ;) nah, just kidding *kind of* i think that you should go. anyone who has an opportunity to study out of country should. it'll really broaden your view.

hah, yeah UCD IS full of Jocks and princesses i agree. plus it does look like it was designed by a Stalinist afficiando from the 60's :) but thats its charm!
Yes, the architecture is notably Soviet. Maybe I haven't spent enough time out in Belfield to appreciate this "charm".

Your an Art student, you'd appreciate the drab, grey, concrete architeture!

Oh, if you do come over here- travel a bit. The country is unusually varied for its size. Head West for some rugged experiences and some fantastic scenery or head south for the unusual accents of the locals! :p

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish? Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

Irish would be a wonderful place to finish up school. My family also are largly Irish and Scotish (its a wierd combination, I know). Best of luck to you.

I've never been to Ireland, so I don't know. I voted Yes, because there was a lot of Irish immigrating into America, now It's Ireland's turn to get immigrants ;) Seriously, I don't really care, but I say try it out first.

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish?

Why? Because as you said yourself, you aren't Irish, you are an Irish-American.


Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You ain't Irish because you don't have either Irish citizenship or live in Ireland. Is that enough to take your gangster stickers away?

I am Irish American because my family saw it as a last ditch effort before they all died of starvation. I am still IRISH American, I still fly the tri color over my house and still have family with the same surname as I do in Ireland.

I am Irish American because my family saw it as a last ditch effort before they all died of starvation. I am still IRISH American, I still fly the tri color over my house and still have family with the same surname as I do in Ireland.

Once again, you say that you are an "IRISH American", which is a different thing from being Irish.

Go to the good part of ireland, the part that is in the United Kingdom.

My greatgrand parents were IRISH, all my ancestors who died for Ireland were Irish

My greatgrand parents were IRISH, all my ancestors who died for Ireland were Irish

Yes, but you are an American or an Irish-American.

For lack of better words I am an American Irishman.

For lack of better words I am an American Irishman.

ie. not Irish.

'Of Irish extraction' or 'of Irish descent', yes, but not 'Irish'.

Yeah jeez I guess you are right, I mean I don't even look Irish or have an Irish name. I must not be Irish

My greatgrand parents were IRISH, all my ancestors who died for Ireland were Irish

And....? whats your point?

My ancestors were from France, the were Hugenouts who were persecuted and emigrated 2/3 hundred years ago. Doesn't make me French now does it?

Oh, you fly a Tricolour.... and speak 'Gaelic' (sssh, don't tell anyone, but its not called that, its called 'Irish') wow...

A flag and a cupla focal don't make a man Irish. Because i fly the Spanish flag and can string a few sentences together in Castilian doesn't make me spanish either.

The main thing that makes you not Irish and more American-Irish, is precisely your romantic advocation for Sinn Fein and the IRA. They have killed a lot of innocent people, dealt drugs, robbed banks and helped to cause untold psycholgical damage to the island as a whole.

Having said that, don't be put off coming over here! We're great! :p

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish? Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

How many Irish friends do you have? How long have you lived in the country? What do you know about its school system, about busses in Dublin, about its current economic situation, about the weather, about driving around the holes in the roads while avoiding the sheep?

Listen, my ancestors came from Sweden and Hungary, my grandmother is Austrian, I live in Ireland, but I'm still only German. Cause that's what it says on my passport.

And even if I stay here a few years longer and get an Irish passport, it won't change the fact that my views, my way of thinking, my way of seeing the world, my preferences regarding food, books, clothing etc. were formed in Germany, same as yours were formed in the states.

Yeah jeez I guess you are right, I mean I don't even look Irish or have an Irish name. I must not be Irish

So I'm blonde and blue-eyed and my family name is Swedish... THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SWEDISH! Nationalities don't work that way...

How many Irish friends do you have? How long have you lived in the country? What do you know about its school system, about busses in Dublin, about its current economic situation, about the weather, about driving around the holes in the roads while avoiding the sheep?


More to the point: does he know who Zig and Zag or Dustin the Turkey are?

Cabra West, wasn't the weather great last Sunday? (15th May)

The Clontarf seafront was so beautiful... beyond compare.



Sure was, and it's beautiful today. Which is why I'll finish work now and go out to enjoy it. See ya!

Sure, go to Ireland. It is expensive and the weather is crappy but if you are interested in drinking, nice landscapes and history it is great.
It also is a modern European country with a good standard of living for most people.

Yes an Irish American is very different from a native Irish person, don't talk about your ancestors except if you are asked (because it IS stereotypical of American tourists and it is boring even if people believe you).

I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.

If you have already started your degree transferring is quite expensive, but as fees here in Ireland are less..
Have you ever been to Dublin?? Transferring course all depends on what you are studying. Most ppl go to Trinity cos it is supposed to be the best. Its not. For certain courses like Law, French Law TCD is fantastic. DIT also has some amazing courses. I've never been to UCD, they are supposed to be quite good, but have a horrible campus. The Private colleges are more expensive Griffith college, etc are ok. If you want to do Med then yes come here. I'm in UCC, in the South we have the best Med, European studies and History courses.
Dublin is ok, its quite dirty. I used t o love it before. Cork is far nicer. You can always do your postgrad in Ireland.
Coming here is a huge discission. Maybe live here for a summer and find out??

now, i say no, but if you choose to go to ireland don't go to dublin. you want to go to the west of ireland and work in the bogs ;) mayo, for example, is fantastic for that among other things and the scenery there is beautiful..... despite what other people might say.......

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish? Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man
Ok, if you were 'Irish' you would not support the IRA etc, cos they are completly different to the IRA your relations would have spported.
No One speaks Gaelic. They speak Gaeilge or Irish. If your grandmother sent money to Sinn Fein, she should have been shot. This is a tpypical emotional attachment to Ireland that some other nationalities have, when in reality they have no proper connection to Ireland. Would you give money to Osama Bin Laiden cos some of his boys were 'murdered' by Americans. I strongly doubt many of your relations were hung by the British. I despise people like you, who use what happened in the past to gain attention.
I have no doubt that you have been influenced by Irish culture, hence making you different(I mean this in a good way) to others around you. The issue of Irish Americans is always questionable. If you were born in Ireland/live inAmerica for long period of time or vice versa then yes you fit the Irish American category. If you have dual citizenship then call yourself Irish-American.

A true Irish American would understand the nature of the Northern Ireland conflict, not floute it. Get over it, your a wannabe Irisher who is really American with Irish Ancestry. My ancestors were part of the nobility in Ireland and once even Kings...does that make me royalty???

I am Irish American because my family saw it as a last ditch effort before they all died of starvation. I am still IRISH American, I still fly the tri color over my house and still have family with the same surname as I do in Ireland.
and youre the sort of people who the real Irish have a good chuckle at, and then sell you some nasty touristy crap for rip off prices

and youre the sort of people who the real Irish have a good chuckle at, and then sell you some nasty touristy crap for rip off prices

heehee I make a fortune!!

You may only go if you take me with you. :p

You may only go if you take me with you. :p

Why? What do you have that others don't?????

and youre the sort of people who the real Irish have a good chuckle at, and then sell you some nasty touristy crap for rip off prices

now that's just mean.....

don't give away our secret!!

Why? What do you have that others don't?????

*shifty eyes* I'lll never tellllll.

you should definitely come here! just don't get injured...(a&e crisis)

hah, yeah UCD IS full of Jocks and princesses i agree. plus it does look like it was designed by a Stalinist afficiando from the 60's :) but thats its charm!

And, as an added bonus, they don't talk like *that*.

But yes, it is an ugly place <smug NUIM grin>.

come if u want, but don't come thinking its going to be a 'romantic' sort of Ireland. Don't ask anyone outright what their religion is or what side they support...and all the other stuff people said too.
Good luck if ur coming

sorry had to laugh at these smilies :) :sniper: :mp5:

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland.

If you're from America, you aren't Irish. I can say this with some confidence simply because of the extent to which you are emphatic about *being* Irish.


My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish?

Because you're American. Your ancestors were Irish. You are not. It takes more than learning the language [that logic makes you English, after all].





Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

By sending money she financed terrorism. Not something to be proud of.

If you have "IRA shirts, posters, and stickers" you should be ashamed. The IRA is a terrorist organisation, and support marks you out as yet another ignorant Plastic Paddy.



You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

True. It only applies to Irish people though - not Americans.

To quote MasterCard: Knowing what it really means to be Irish - priceless.

To the OP - come on over. You stand a better chance of being "Irish" than this guy.

I am Irish American because my family saw it as a last ditch effort before they all died of starvation. I am still IRISH American, I still fly the tri color over my house and still have family with the same surname as I do in Ireland.

Haha! Priceless entertainment.

You can dye your hair green and have your feet tattooed with shamrock - that *still* won't make you Irish.

Flying the tricolour? That just sounds *sad* [since you aren't actually Irish - if you were, it wouldn't be. I know many Irish people *do* legitimately fly the flag].

My greatgrand parents were IRISH, all my ancestors who died for Ireland were Irish

When did they "die for Ireland"?

What does it say on your passport?

Yeah jeez I guess you are right, I mean I don't even look Irish or have an Irish name. I must not be Irish

There are plenty of people who have neither Irish names nor "look" Irish who are Irish.

Listen, my ancestors came from Sweden and Hungary, my grandmother is Austrian, I live in Ireland, but I'm still only German. Cause that's what it says on my passport.


You're exponentially more Irish that this guy.

Ya gotta love the plastic paddies.

More to the point: does he know who Zig and Zag or Dustin the Turkey are?

Not to mention Zuppie, Podge, and........BOSCO!

I'm irish so i can tell you that the cost of living is enormous here especally in dublin but the craic is amazing so if you can afford to go for it :gundge: :sniper:

Cost of living is pretty high but I wouldnt move from Ireland for anything.

And also, Bosco rules all. He should be brought back.

Your an Art student, you'd appreciate the drab, grey, concrete architeture!

Oh, if you do come over here- travel a bit. The country is unusually varied for its size. Head West for some rugged experiences and some fantastic scenery or head south for the unusual accents of the locals! :p
I'm an art student, but I'm not one of those boring commie art students!

I agree with the tips, and I'd like to add advice to finish the Aran Islands. They are like an exaggeration of the Connemara landscape, and only a short ferry trip from Rossaveel, Co. Galway. Inis Mor is a breathtaking experience.

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim.

It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish?

Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo.

Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

The reason you shouldn't say you are Irish is because here we are absolutely sick of hearing from every damn American that comes over here. In fact, most of us won't even believe you. Often I suspect, Americans claim Irish ancestry in order to get some "credibility" here as something more than tourists. (Not that there's anything wrong with being a tourist.)

Learning Irish is pretty good for an American, but I know of Italians who have learned the language, it doesn't make them Irish people.

Your emotional appeals don't help your case. Sinn Fein are a radical nationalist political party that has had terrorist links for most of its existence.
All of us have ancestors that suffered.

You have IRA stuff? Do you have any idea how much misery those bastards have caused people in N. Ireland and the Republic over the past 40 years? I don't respect that. Irish or not you should throw that crap away.

You're not Irish because you were not born here. You are of Irish descent, but you may have the right to claim citizenship.

This quote sums up my opinion of your Irish-American kind of attitudes to the IRA and the so-called "nationalist" cause.
I hear Irish Americans who haven't been back home in 30 years talk about "the glory of dying for the revolution." But what about killing for the revolution? Where's the glory in that?

I've never been to Ireland, so I don't know. I voted Yes, because there was a lot of Irish immigrating into America, now It's Ireland's turn to get immigrants ;) Seriously, I don't really care, but I say try it out first.
If you've never been to Ireland, how can you be an Irish citizen? If you voted in one of our elections or referenda without citizenship, then you broke the law.

PS.. on the immigration issue, we have been trying it out for over 10 years. It's time that this country had a more sensible immigration policy, though I don't necessarily think that that is "open the borders".

Go to the good part of ireland, the part that is in the United Kingdom.
Wow, I don't know if it's humanly possible to be more wrong than this.

Yeah jeez I guess you are right, I mean I don't even look Irish or have an Irish name. I must not be Irish
What do you look like? If you have red hair, then congratulations, you have something in common with 5% of Irish people.

I don't look Irish, or even have a particularly Irish name, but I am Irish.

Cost of living is pretty high but I wouldnt move from Ireland for anything.

And also, Bosco rules all. He should be brought back.

I would have said that until I was offered a funded place in the UK - moving seemed much easier then :-)

But yes, bring back Bosco - preferably with a slightly less ambiguous gender though.

More to the point: does he know who Zig and Zag or Dustin the Turkey are?
Don't mention Z&Z those traitors! They moved to Channel 4!

and youre the sort of people who the real Irish have a good chuckle at, and then sell you some nasty touristy crap for rip off prices
Dude! Don't alert him to that! I was gonna make a killing. ;)

Not to mention Zuppie, Podge, and........BOSCO!
Yeah definitely fucking Bosco. They should have kept that blessed toy.

If you've never been to Ireland, how can you be an Irish citizen? If you voted in one of our elections or referenda without citizenship, then you broke the law.


Not to be overly pedantic, this isn't - strictly speaking - true. Well, it's true except for certain exceptions which probably

UK citizens can vote in Dail elections if they are resident in Ireland [that's reciprocal - I helped turn my constituency here over to the LibDems]. Referenda may only be voted on by Irish citizens though, if memory serves.

Local elections are more open, though I'm not sure to what extent.

All of which is irrelevant as the post was referring to the poll in this thread [the poster voted "yes" for the OP to move to Ireland].

All of which is irrelevant as the post was referring to the poll in this thread [the poster voted "yes" for the OP to move to Ireland].
Damn, I thought he was trying (unsuccessfully) to say that he voted "no" in the June citizenship referendum.

Of course you should go to ireland! Everyone knows how fun kilts are! Oh wait, thats scottland. Well there's bag pipes! No, that's scott land two. Uh, I know, Haggis! MMMM, Haggis! No, wait, I think that's scottland as well. Oh well, I hear they have potatos and leprcons there, I guess thats a start.

Well there's bag pipes! No, that's scott land two.

Don't forget Uilleann pipes - much better than those Scottish things.

I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.

Was there any particular city/county/compass direction you were thinknig of staying?

To quote MasterCard: Knowing what it really means to be Irish - priceless.


God, I just *LOVED* that one. The elderly American couple in those silly green pants on the boardwalk? That nearly killed me...
Haven't seen it in a while, though...

First of all I do not have red hair, because red hair is actually a danish characteristic. Secondly I do not have to sit here and pull out all my family's blood line that links me to Irish princes and Irish clan leaders. I do not have to justify to you why I am in fact of Irish blood. You are not American, you do not understand what it is like to be of a country but not totally of that nationalities blood line. I know what I am and I know what I believe in, yes my grandma sent the IRA money when she moved to America, since she had uncles in the IRA. I know this small handful of native Irishmen is not the total thought of Eire, but if this was then I think my ancestors would be appalled how you treat non-native Irishmen. Your ancestors never experienced the treatment my ancestors experienced in this country so that they could make a better living then the one they had been living in Ireland.

I'm seriously considering transferring to Ireland to finish out my university career and settle down. So my question is whether you think I should leave Northern California and take-off for Dublin or stay put.

Since my family by descent is from various regions of Ireland, it seems like a logical choice for me, personally. I promise I'm not doing this because of the Norway poll, or the random poll threads.

Yes go!!! leave the US... ahem, no offence to Americans... lol

AHAHAHAHA! 'is the IRA still active? Don't talk about the North or IRA in Ireland, its uncomfortable'... *wipes tears of laughter from eyes*

hilarious.

Are the Crips and Bloods still active in Florida? is the KKK still active in Ohio? please, no ones gives a f*** about them anymore. there a bunch of glorified bank robbers these days.

Sinn Fein will not get anywhere close to power in the Republic for at least another generation if that.

NEVER go on about your 'Irish' heritage, it is THE most annoying thing to hear... 'wow, my folks were from there, do you know the O'Briens?'
'yes i know the exact family you're talking about. Thee are absolutley NO other families in Ireland called O'Brien' :rolleyes:

Seriously though, dublins great. You'll have blast over here- especially if your a student. We'll treat ya nice. Be warned its gotten quite expensive over here. About 5 euros for a pint (em about 7/8 bucks i think.)

Oh and Trinity SUCK!:sniper: Booooo! UCD (University College Dublin) is the place to be. :D

Hah. I had no intent of going on about any perceived ancestral claim to Irishness. It's not something I preoccupy myself with and I have no illusions about being a yank by birth and culture. ;)

First of all I do not have red hair, because red hair is actually a danish characteristic. Secondly I do not have to sit here and pull out all my family's blood line that links me to Irish princes and Irish clan leaders. I do not have to justify to you why I am in fact of Irish blood. You are not American, you do not understand what it is like to be of a country but not totally of that nationalities blood line. I know what I am and I know what I believe in, yes my grandma sent the IRA money when she moved to America, since she had uncles in the IRA. I know this small handful of native Irishmen is not the total thought of Eire, but if this was then I think my ancestors would be appalled how you treat non-native Irishmen. Your ancestors never experienced the treatment my ancestors experienced in this country so that they could make a better living then the one they had been living in Ireland.


I just don't get it... why would you absolutely want to be Irish? When all that links you to the place are your grandparents and their bed-time-stories?
I mean, what's Ireland to you? Have you lived and worked there? What - apart from stories and genetics - relates you to this island?
Hell, my grandparents were Nazis, does that make me one???
And speaking of blood and origin, ORIGINALLY we all came from East-Africa.

First of all I do not have red hair, because red hair is actually a danish characteristic.

We've said that already - relevance?




Secondly I do not have to sit here and pull out all my family's blood line that links me to Irish princes and Irish clan leaders.

You *do* know that everyone in Ireland, and tens of millions of people can do the same, don't you? Also, *most* of those people can trace their bloodline to Danish and Norman nobility - that doesn't make them Danish, or French.

Also, have you *any* idea how silly your statement actually looks?



I do not have to justify to you why I am in fact of Irish blood.

Since you *aren't* Irish, it matters not a jot where your blood came from.

There's no such thing as Irish blood, just so you know - we have rather a long heritage [measured in millennia, not decades] of being invaded and accepting the invaders into our "Irish blood".




You are not American, you do not understand what it is like to be of a country but not totally of that nationalities blood line.

I know I'm not American - that's why, if you read *very* carefully, you will notice that I never *claimed* to be American.

Also, there is no such thing as an American bloodline. The very *notion* is ludicrous given that the entire history of european settlement there is about ten minutes. The population is made up wholly of recent immigrants [with the exception of the first nations, obviously - irrelevant to this discussion] and *has* no bloodline. You are totally of American nationality.





I know what I am and I know what I believe in, yes my grandma sent the IRA money when she moved to America, since she had uncles in the IRA.

That's not an excuse - she still funded terrorism and that is something you should be *ashamed* of, not proud. It is most *certainly* not something you should announce as evidence for your nonexistent Irishness.





I know this small handful of native Irishmen is not the total thought of Eire, but if this was then I think my ancestors would be appalled how you treat non-native Irishmen.

You aren't an Irishman, non-native or otherwise. You are an American. It matters not a jot what your ancestors would think.

And yes, you will find that the views expressed by the *actual* Irish people on this list - native and non native - to be *quite* representative of "the total thought of Eire".

We call it Ireland by the way.




Your ancestors never experienced the treatment my ancestors experienced in this country so that they could make a better living then the one they had been living in Ireland.

Hahahahaahaahahaahaha! Hahahaahahaahaahah! Hahahahaahaa!

The *absurdity* of that statement is simply hilarious. Your ancestors could have been used as landfill to build the railroad for all the difference that makes to your not being Irish.

You are not Irish. Simple.

Hah. I had no intent of going on about any perceived ancestral claim to Irishness. It's not something I preoccupy myself with and I have no illusions about being a yank by birth and culture. ;)

Then, to be frank, you're quite a lot closer to being Irish than he is. You'd fit in quite well methinks.

But yes, avoid Trinity.

And UCD.

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish? Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

People like you are the reason Americans can't talk about their Irish forebears.

People like you are the reason Americans can't talk about their Irish forebears.

They can't? Why?

They can't? Why?

Well, they can, but not without fear of someone taking the piss out of them.

Well, they can, but not without fear of someone taking the piss out of them.

Ok, but considering the kind of jokes I got to see on this thread I started a few days ago (tell me your favorite Joke), I think this has much more to do with the fact that Irish are seen by Americans as Austrians are seen by Germans. Not much to do with this kid here, trying to find a way to be "different from the crowd" ;)

Ok, but considering the kind of jokes I got to see on this thread I started a few days ago (tell me your favorite Joke), I think this has much more to do with the fact that Irish are seen by Americans as Austrians are seen by Germans. Not much to do with this kid here, trying to find a way to be "different from the crowd" ;)

Fair 'nuff. But he's developed some pretty unhealthy fenian obsessions.

Fair 'nuff. But he's developed some pretty unhealthy fenian obsessions.

The best cure for that would be if he ever came over to see Ireland himself :D

What do you say, should we start collecting for him? ;)

First of all I do not have red hair, because red hair is actually a danish characteristic. Secondly I do not have to sit here and pull out all my family's blood line that links me to Irish princes and Irish clan leaders. I do not have to justify to you why I am in fact of Irish blood. You are not American, you do not understand what it is like to be of a country but not totally of that nationalities blood line. I know what I am and I know what I believe in, yes my grandma sent the IRA money when she moved to America, since she had uncles in the IRA. I know this small handful of native Irishmen is not the total thought of Eire, but if this was then I think my ancestors would be appalled how you treat non-native Irishmen. Your ancestors never experienced the treatment my ancestors experienced in this country so that they could make a better living then the one they had been living in Ireland.

Your right, you don't have to justify anything to anyone? But why did you post a question asking why the Irish on this forum don't consider you Irish( may not have been exact q but was the general meaning to it)?
Have you ever been to Ireland??

What do you say, should we start collecting for him? ;)

Just like his gram collected for the IRA.

The best cure for that would be if he ever came over to see Ireland himself :D

Especially if we sent the poor lad to Cabra West ... ;)

The best cure for that would be if he ever came over to see Ireland himself :D

What do you say, should we start collecting for him? ;)

Well ya know they way he's a big ol RA supporter? I hear they have a lot of extra cash at the minute, that they be only delighted to pass on!
Any one hear of RED FM's Sinn Fein/IRA inspired fun lovin criminals song?
Running around robbing banks all day with out gettin caught!
Extremely funny!

Especially if we sent the poor lad to Cabra West ... ;)

Now what would they be doing down there?

Now what would they be doing down there?

They'd be Irish for a start, which is something that guy is *hellish* unfamiliar with.

They'd be Irish for a start, which is something that guy is *hellish* unfamiliar with.
I gathered that from the name and the fact the poster is from Mayo? Or something to that effect!

Just like his gram collected for the IRA.

Aw, c'mon, not every Irish-American is a terrorist... that's Arabs, remember? ;)

No, seriously, there's no way we can stop him calling himself Irish and making a fool of himself if ever he should come here.
If he really went into a Cabra pub with that attitude, he might have to be carried out, though ;)

I gathered that from the name and the fact the poster is from Mayo? Or something to that effect!

No, the poster is from America. He has delusions about being Irish.

Unless we're talking about two different posters...

Aw, c'mon, not every Irish-American is a terrorist... that's Arabs, remember? ;)

;)
Hee hee! I know some pubs in Cork he'd be pretty welcome in, in fact the SF have an office off Barricks St I think that looks in desperate need of some cash! Lets arrange an Ian Paisley dinner for him!!

No, the poster is from America. He has delusions about being Irish.

Unless we're talking about two different posters...
No no NO! Cabra West is from Ireland!

No, seriously, there's no way we can stop him calling himself Irish and making a fool of himself if ever he should come here.
If he really went into a Cabra pub with that attitude, he might have to be carried out, though ;)

True, but we can at least point out how stupid his arguments are while we're all here on this here in-ter-net yokeybus.

I can just imagine if he did come over - he'd have a grand pair of green trousers, some lovely brogues and a big lump of a green hat.

Rus O24: What are you doing in Cambridge? Is it a nice place to live? I have possible dillusions of applying for my post grad there!

No no NO! Cabra West is from Ireland!

To sum it up again, I have Swedish and Hungarian ancestry, a grandmother from Austria, but I am a German citizen living and working in Ireland. In Dublin, to be precise ;)

No no NO! Cabra West is from Ireland!

The we are indeed misconstruing one another - it's rather early and I haven't got coffee yet so it's probably my fault.

But yes, Cabra West is from Ireland, the loony is not.

True, but we can at least point out how stupid his arguments are while we're all here on this here in-ter-net yokeybus.

I can just imagine if he did come over - he'd have a grand pair of green trousers, some lovely brogues and a big lump of a green hat.
Hang on, hang on. What about a giant arran geansai? (Ireally need to learn how to use fadas on this thing)

No no NO! Cabra West is from Ireland!

The North Side of Dublin no less.

To sum it up again, I have Swedish and Hungarian ancestry, a grandmother from Austria, but I am a German citizen living and working in Ireland. In Dublin, to be precise ;)


Ok, sorry! I'm in the middle of exams and am incapable of holding proper conversation. :rolleyes:

The North Side of Dublin no less.


What wrong with living on North Side of Dublin? I can never remember which is the dodgey side in Dublin..its the South side??

Rus O24: What are you doing in Cambridge? Is it a nice place to live? I have possible dillusions of applying for my post grad there!


It's a great place to live, if a bit on the expensive side. One great side effect of it being a university town [and not much else] is that the average IQ in a pub generally makes it to triple figures - even in pokey little old-man pubs. Dodgy Guinness though - most places just can't do it. I heartily recommend the swift development of a taste for Bitter.

I'm not in Cambridge-Cambridge - I'm at another university in the city - so I don't know what it's like applying for postgrad places there. They do offer a fair amount of funded places - much more so than most universities - and the faciliries tend to be top notch [I'm lucky in that the lab space I use is modelled on the equivalent in Cambridge, but slightly better].

What wrong with living on North Side of Dublin? I can never remember which is the dodgey side in Dublin..its the South side??

Depends which side you're on at any given time.

What wrong with living on North Side of Dublin? I can never remember which is the dodgey side in Dublin..its the South side??

Definitely the North Side. South side is pretty posh. With exceptions. After all, Tallaght is on the South Side.

So who're the 23% wankers who voted against?

So who're the 28% wankers who voted against?

Probably a gaggle of plastic paddies who think he wouldn't get an Irish enough experience in Ireland :-)

Probably a gaggle of plastic paddies who think he wouldn't get an Irish enough experience in Ireland :-)

No, all the true fenians left the place ... like your man here. But he still flies the tricolour with pride!

Hey, I happen to like living on the north side. Can't stand posh people, me ;)

No, seriously, it's just so much closer to work, it's affordable, and the place where I live is beautiful. Not too far from the city center, quite, green... Just perfect for two girls and a cat

Hey, I happen to like living on the north side. Can't stand posh people, me ;)



Don't take my slagging the North Side too seriously. It's got more character. The South Side is full of ponces.

Definitely the North Side. South side is pretty posh. With exceptions. After all, Tallaght is on the South Side.

Ah same in Cork! Well the south sider isn't posher, its just safer!..sometimes

Ah same in Cork! Well the south sider isn't posher, its just safer!..sometimes

North of the Lee is definitely dodgy ...

Don't take my slagging the North Side too seriously. It's got more character. The South Side is full of ponces.

That's ok...
For some reasons, I sometimes prefer to have at least a river seperating me from places like the US embassy ;)

But I guess North Dublin isn't your typical Irish sheep/passage-grave/cottages/cliffs/shamrock/leprechaun/potatoe/Riverdance kind of place.
I just like it anyway. It's somehow more honest...

North of the Lee is definitely dodgy ...
To say the least!
My Aunt took a wrong turn coming back late from wk one night to be faced with 8 guys with serveral sawn off shot guns in their hands!

Secondly I do not have to sit here and pull out all my family's blood line that links me to Irish princes and Irish clan leaders. I do not have to justify to you why I am in fact of Irish blood.

You are free to claim that you are of that rather nebulous thing which is 'Irish blood', but that does not make you actually Irish.

You are free to claim that you are of that rather nebulous thing which is 'Irish blood', but that does not make you actually Irish.

And like that, Bodies Without Organs destroys Anarchic Conceptions' excuse that he "is not English really" when abroad :(

And like that, Bodies Without Organs destroys Anarchic Conceptions' excuse that he "is not English really" when abroad :(

Surely, technically, you can hide yourself under the somewhat more anonymous mantle of 'British Citizen', for better or worse?

Surely, technically, you can hide yourself under the somewhat more anonymous mantle of 'British Citizen', for better or worse?

Well the point is largly moot now, since I haven't travelled abroad for ages.

I hate that abroad... :headbang:

Oh i speak English, therefore i MUST be English....

NO!! I'm not! i'm IRISH!
Funny, saying your Irish has a tendancy to open up a lot of doors abroad.. and could probably save your ass in a sticky situation :D

I hate that abroad... :headbang:

Oh i speak English, therefore i MUST be English....

:D

Yes you must be...weapon of choice?? and scholarly location

God the internet REALLY makes the world a small place! :eek: Le Fleuret.

That it does, but not as small as you may think!!

I hate that abroad... :headbang:

Oh i speak English, therefore i MUST be English....

NO!! I'm not! i'm IRISH!
Funny, saying your Irish has a tendancy to open up a lot of doors abroad.. and could probably save your ass in a sticky situation :D
When i was in Argentina i found it was best to say i was Irish instead of British...wonder why that could be... :rolleyes:

God the internet REALLY makes the world a small place! :eek: Le Fleuret.

ah ha, hello mongoose!!
in my opinion a 4th or 5th generation "Irish" person claiming to be Irish is about as valid as me (actual irishperson) claiming to be Norweigan because the Norse raided a few monasteries here a long time ago.makes sense? not to me!

I think my ancestors would be appalled how you treat non-native Irishmen.
We're not abusing you.

What wrong with living on North Side of Dublin? I can never remember which is the dodgey side in Dublin..its the South side??
No! If you live on the north side, it means that you're a criminal, drug dealer, scumbag, knacker or single mother. If you live on the south side you are a jock, snob, or corrupt businessman/politician with offshore accounts. ;)

Definitely the North Side. South side is pretty posh. With exceptions. After all, Tallaght is on the South Side.
Yeah you have Tallaght and Clondalkin on the southside, and you have Clontarf, Malahide, Howth, Glasnevin and Castleknock on the Northside. There are not absolute rules.

That's ok...
For some reasons, I sometimes prefer to have at least a river seperating me from places like the US embassy ;)

But I guess North Dublin isn't your typical Irish sheep/passage-grave/cottages/cliffs/shamrock/leprechaun/potatoe/Riverdance kind of place.
I just like it anyway. It's somehow more honest...
lol, mind you not all of the south side is like Ballsbridge. My favourite part is the Portobello area.

I agree that many parts of the Northside are quite nice.

I hate that abroad... :headbang:

Oh i speak English, therefore i MUST be English....

That's right, but understandable that they think that.

God the internet REALLY makes the world a small place!
I had no idea there were so many Irish people on NS.

lol, mind you not all of the south side is like Ballsbridge. My favourite part is the Portobello area.



Portos' alright, but if you go to some of the pubs around there, it's all a bunch of D6's trying to act like they're D4's.

Go to Eire! Erin go bragh!

True, but we can at least point out how stupid his arguments are while we're all here on this here in-ter-net yokeybus.

I can just imagine if he did come over - he'd have a grand pair of green trousers, some lovely brogues and a big lump of a green hat.
That is completely wrong.


You forgot the shamrocks.

I had no idea there were so many Irish people on NS.

I think we've driven all the foreigners away from this topic :D :p

[Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man[/QUOTE]
Yes , cause suporting the Ira makes u irish and is a good thing 2 do. There is nothing big or indeed irsih in suuporting a terriost group.A terroist group that has badly hurt my country with their bombs, so before you get all pataotic and idealistic, remember the people you are supporting , have killed many of those of whose nationality u claim to be. You talk about your ancestors being hung by the british when you realli have no idea about the sitiuation, Sit down and grow up. I'm sorry if that seems harsh but that offends me a lot.

My ancestors were part of the nobility in Ireland and once even Kings...does that make me royalty???[/QUOTE]
Hey same here. where were they the rulers of, i know my mum's family are descended form the 10th century king of Munster.

Yes, be gone!

Then, to be frank, you're quite a lot closer to being Irish than he is. You'd fit in quite well methinks.

But yes, avoid Trinity.

And UCD.

Why thank you! No sense being anything other than what you are (smarmy platitude #1'250), but that's a different discussion that what I'd originally intended.

At any rate. What schools would you recommend, then? I'd had Trinity on my list since it seemed like 'the' school in Ireland (and my mom would die and go to heaven if I got into TCD for some reason), but if there are some other or smaller universities that have decent journalism, political science, or international relations departments, that would be great. I already go to a massive school.

Why thank you! No sense being anything other than what you are (smarmy platitude #1'250), but that's a different discussion that what I'd originally intended.

At any rate. What schools would you recommend, then? I'd had Trinity on my list since it seemed like 'the' school in Ireland (and my mom would die and go to heaven if I got into TCD for some reason), but if there are some other or smaller universities that have decent journalism, political science, or international relations departments, that would be great. I already go to a massive school.
Queens University of Belfast (in the north, if thats not a problem) is one of the top 1/4 in the UK overall (at least, it was last time i looked at the uni league tables), so its pretty good.

I have a big question, why should us Irish Americans not say we are Irish? I know I am Irish, most of my ancestors were from Ireland, and the ones that weren't were from Scotland but only went to Scotland during some clan wars and they were promised land if they fought in Scotland. My great grandparents are from Counties Mayo and Leitrim. It is customary for every person in my family to at least learn some Gaelic and I have never gone to school on March 17 in my life. Tell me why I can't say I am Irish? Tell that to my great grandmother who until her death in 1990 sent money to Sinn Fein and who almost came over to America on the doomed liner, Titanic. Tell that to my countless ancestors hanged by the Brits and my others that starved to death because they were forced to move from their farmlands in what is now Northern Ireland and moved to the rocky County Mayo. Please properly inform me why I am not Irish then take my IRA shirts, posters, and stickers.

You can take the man out of Eire but you can't take Eire out of the man

ok, i know that everyone is replying to this comment, but hey, i'm having a rough week so tough luck heres my opinion on this unfortunate drivel:

1. If you are Irish American, then you are not Irish. To qualify to call yourself Irish, you must have an irish passport.

2.Technically speaking, why aren't you all caught up about your Scottish ancestry too? If you feel the need this strongly to call yourself "Irish-American", then perhaps you should change it to "Irish-Scottish-American"

3.Gaelic is a lovely language, but it happens to be Scottish, you twit! Irish is the native language here

4.Sinn Fein? your grandmother send money to the political branch of the IRA? the same IRA who happened to bomb the absolute crap out of lots of places in the past? Odd that she'd want to fund such a thing.

5.I believe you said in a further post that all you ancestors were killed by the British, or something to that extent. In this case you must be a miracle child, a person without ancestors to descend from, thus no parents, therefore no you? confusing...

6.IRA shirts posters and stickers: thats just sad! stop funding the terrorists, but if you feel like you have to fund the terrorists then why don't you just send noney to some group that doesn't affect Ireland, the place you claim to love so much.Any real Irish person would send that money far away from home if they felt they had to send money to terrorists....

a final couple of questions: do you even know the correct use of the term "muppet"?or do you know "RTE" stands for??!!!!

Why thank you! No sense being anything other than what you are (smarmy platitude #1'250), but that's a different discussion that what I'd originally intended.

At any rate. What schools would you recommend, then? I'd had Trinity on my list since it seemed like 'the' school in Ireland (and my mom would die and go to heaven if I got into TCD for some reason), but if there are some other or smaller universities that have decent journalism, political science, or international relations departments, that would be great. I already go to a massive school.

come to UCC in Cork the lovely south of the country!
ask mekonia about the politics courses, thats what she studies, and she'd know all about international relations here, she started up the International Relations Society.. *beams with pride*

Damnlefties suck ass! Stupid ppl, they shouldn't allowed obtain a country of their own. Persecution I say! God Wills it

Hey come down north, trust me, u'll like it. lol. nah, its pretty good up here actaully and its cheaper 2 live in than dublin. Plus if u go to Queens, then you will be going to the best rowing university in ireland, trinity and ucd are onli pretenders for that crown. That is of no relevance but i just want 2 plug my sport a bit.

Portos' alright, but if you go to some of the pubs around there, it's all a bunch of D6's trying to act like they're D4's.
It's sad, I know. I am just really biased in favour of Portobello's Canal area because I grew up there. I live in D6 now.

Why thank you! No sense being anything other than what you are (smarmy platitude #1'250), but that's a different discussion that what I'd originally intended.

At any rate. What schools would you recommend, then? I'd had Trinity on my list since it seemed like 'the' school in Ireland (and my mom would die and go to heaven if I got into TCD for some reason), but if there are some other or smaller universities that have decent journalism, political science, or international relations departments, that would be great. I already go to a massive school.

Don't go to Queens. Its a tiny Uni with 20,000 ppl. Magee College is part of the University of Ulster. John Hume is one of their lecturers. Kofi Annan 'dropped by' for an impromptu lecture! But thats post grad.
Poli Sci wise Trinity is supposed to be good. But if your looking for good london school of economics best place in the world. Ya not Ireland but.
University of Limerick has very good masters programmes, not sure of their undergrads. Ok I suppose.
UCD do something along those lines as do University College Galway.
No college in IRL offers an undergrad in IR, UCC offer postgrad as do DIT. UCC has the best hist dept in Ireland(not even Trinity comes close, UCC was also university of the year last year). UCC also offer Government and Public Policy. Feed back varies. Its a mix of politics, poli sci(yes they are different), social policy and businessy stuff. Through Arts in UCC you can do politics. Its a very new course, my yr is the first lot doing it. Its ok, some parts are very good, but we're made do philosphy which I hate.
On advice of one of Irelands best known journalists don't do a degree in journalism, you can either write or you can't.
I don't know what you consider massive! There are some private colleges like Griffith college cork and dublin that offer programmes in journalism. The course in DIT is supposed to be good enough.
Trinity has a name of being famous, its like going to Harvard and discovering that apart from the Law courses the college is crap(Harvard is great was there in Feb!)
Also if you come to UCC you can join the International Relations Society and engage in MUN til the cows come home!

Don't go to Queens. Its a tiny Uni with 20,000 ppl.
aye, but he said he wanted a smaller uni

and its an excellent uni too, very good at what it teaches

UCC has the best hist dept in Ireland(not even Trinity comes close, UCC was also university of the year last year).
aye, but if you count the north (Queens) then its bound to be right up there, its in the top 25 in the UK for it


and its 8th in the UK for law

and for some reason i decided to do modern history there when i could have done law...

aye, but he said he wanted a smaller uni

and its an excellent uni too, very good at what it teaches


aye, but if you count the north (Queens) then its bound to be right up there, its in the top 25 in the UK for it


and its 8th in the UK for law

and for some reason i decided to do modern history there when i could have done law...

I actually ment its a tiny building with too many students. I've been up there a few times and to be quite honest its sooooo groupy. Also some bastard stole my wallet!
I never knew ye had a poli sci and law course? I would have killed do that, but my rubbish guidence teacher never told me bout it, plus its UK law. One of your hist lecturers went to my secondary school, she's teaching hist and since we both had the same hist teahcer I know she must be good!
But I just wasn't impressed by Queens. Did you know that the plans for queens and ucc were mixed up, so they built the wrong buildings!! I think UCC got lucky!!! all that red brick gets to my head!

UCC has the best hist dept in Ireland(not even Trinity comes close, UCC was also university of the year last year). UCC you can do politics. Its a very new course, my yr is the first lot doing it. Its ok, some parts are very good, but we're made do philosphy which I hate.


HAH! Keep dreamin sarah (right?). Trying to plug your teeny tiny miniscule Uni. :p
University College Dublin (the arch nemesis of TCD) does a rather good Hist degree also. Politics in UCD is one the best in the Republic and has been established here for many decades, Queens would be one of the best in the UK, while still within 2 hrs of Dublin!! You can do International Realtions in a B.A or an Masters too- in fact there were a large number of US students in my class this year- im in my finals.

Dublin City University (DCU) located on the Northern fringe of the city, is the only University that gives a degree in Journalism. Also, a rather newer politics course i believe.

Hope it helps somewhat :p

HAH! Keep dreamin sarah (right?). Trying to plug your teeny tiny miniscule Uni. :p
University College Dublin (the arch nemesis of TCD) does a rather good Hist degree also. Politics in UCD is one the best in the Republic and has been established here for many decades, Queens would be one of the best in the UK, while still within 2 hrs of Dublin!! You can do International Realtions in a B.A or an Masters too- in fact there were a large number of US students in my class this year- im in my finals.

Dublin City University (DCU) located on the Northern fringe of the city, is the only University that gives a degree in Journalism. Also, a rather newer politics course i believe.

Hope it helps somewhat :p

I'm not Sarah! Kenny Boy!!!!


What course are you doing!
Ya but UCD is a giant grey box. Compared to the wonders of UCC..and UCC has Helen!!!!!

I don't know... moving from one British colony to the other... :D

I actually ment its a tiny building with too many students. I've been up there a few times and to be quite honest its sooooo groupy. Also some bastard stole my wallet!
I never knew ye had a poli sci and law course? I would have killed do that, but my rubbish guidence teacher never told me bout it, plus its UK law. One of your hist lecturers went to my secondary school, she's teaching hist and since we both had the same hist teahcer I know she must be good!
But I just wasn't impressed by Queens. Did you know that the plans for queens and ucc were mixed up, so they built the wrong buildings!! I think UCC got lucky!!! all that red brick gets to my head!
you know its not just that one building :p

its spread out over the half of Belfast, thats just the main building

i dont think there is a poli science, but there is a politics department so i dont
know, i would have to look into it.

but yea, the Law course is one of the best, if you get a degree there youre pretty much guaranteed a job in a good law practice somewhere in the UK if you want it.

and aye, the history department there is pretty good, that was my reason for not going away...i had a top history department on my doorstep so there was no need to go to england or anything

is that true about the buildings? thats pretty cool...the main QUB building looks good, but yea the buildings in both are very similar style, just different brick

I don't know... moving from one British colony to the other... :D

Oh your so funny! Just about as clever as that other idiot claiming to be Irish.
Wow you could get a book out of it. Well if the US is a UK colony why is the US a super power and the UK an extention of Blairs ass?

you know its not just that one building :p

its spread out over the half of Belfast, thats just the main building

i dont think there is a poli science, but there is a politics department so i dont
know, i would have to look into it.

but yea, the Law course is one of the best, if you get a degree there youre pretty much guaranteed a job in a good law practice somewhere in the UK if you want it.

and aye, the history department there is pretty good, that was my reason for not going away...i had a top history department on my doorstep so there was no need to go to england or anything

is that true about the buildings? thats pretty cool...the main QUB building looks good, but yea the buildings in both are very similar style, just different brick

Ya. Who gave planning permission for ye're library, its almost as bad as our sience building! But I think that ugly science buildings are a general rule!
What courses in Mod hist are you doing?

I'm not Sarah! Kenny Boy!!!!


What course are you doing!
Ya but UCD is a giant grey box. Compared to the wonders of UCC..and UCC has Helen!!!!!


Hmmm... multiple !!!! and 'soooooo' tends to disagree.....

Been said earlier, the quaint charm of UCD is its Stalinist concrete 60's architecture.

Politics is one of my courses.... soon to turn into an MA...

Hmmm... multiple !!!! and 'soooooo' tends to disagree.....

Been said earlier, the quaint charm of UCD is its Stalinist concrete 60's architecture.

Politics is one of my courses.... soon to turn into an MA...

sorry mongoose, the demented Mekonia in not in fact sarahs, but my cousin who shall remain nameless.......

Ya. Who gave planning permission for ye're library, its almost as bad as our sience building! But I think that ugly science buildings are a general rule!
aye, that librarys shocking, and the older bit looks like a church. how odd.
What courses in Mod hist are you doing?
this semester i was doing 'France Before the Revolution' and 'Later Medieval Europe', as well as doing an introductory World Politics module just for something different.

oh, and QUB is listed 22= in the UK for politics (this is from the Times good university guide thingy)

Hmmm... multiple !!!! and 'soooooo' tends to disagree.....

Been said earlier, the quaint charm of UCD is its Stalinist concrete 60's architecture.

Politics is one of my courses.... soon to turn into an MA...

They say coping is the greatest form of flattery..Sarah is quite flattering!!
What are your options for politics?
If you read earlier posts I'm just a 6 weeks fencer!! About as good as Sarah soooooo! (i'm only messing she fences ass!)

aye, that librarys shocking, and the older bit looks like a church. how odd.

this semester i was doing 'France Before the Revolution' and 'Later Medieval Europe', as well as doing an introductory World Politics module just for something different.

oh, and QUB is listed 22= in the UK for politics (this is from the Times good university guide thingy)


Did you by chance do MUN in Queens last Jan?

Did you by chance do MUN in Queens last Jan?
Was going to, but then I, erm, forgot about it...(as i do with most things i intend on doing)

5.I believe you said in a further post that all you ancestors were killed by the British, or something to that extent. In this case you must be a miracle child, a person without ancestors to descend from, thus no parents, therefore no you? confusing...
I think he means killed after they had children... ^_^

Ach, people tryin' to be Irish is more anoying then the mangled versions our our British Recieved Pronounciation lack of accent that tham Americans put on their TV. -_-;;

Was going to, but then I, erm, forgot about it...(as i do with most things i intend on doing)

Ok sorry, its just there were some mod hist ppl there, can't remember there names!!

I think he means killed after they had children... ^_^

Ach, people tryin' to be Irish is more anoying then the mangled versions our our British Recieved Pronounciation lack of accent that tham Americans put on their TV. -_-;;


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh that is very very annoying! But highly entertaining!
Although I think Johnny Depp would have made a nice Sirus in HP, even if he had to put on the accent! hmmmmmmmm Johnny Depp!!!

I think he means killed after they had children... ^_^

Ach, people tryin' to be Irish is more anoying then the mangled versions our our British Recieved Pronounciation lack of accent that tham Americans put on their TV. -_-;;
Yeah! Ever see an Oirish accent on US tv.... *shudders*

Top o' the mornin' to ya shure... any potaters... fancy a pint o' the black sthhuff...

*ugh*

Yeah. Like that. -_-;;

And they probably don't realise that no-one ever used the word 'spiffy'.

Wow you could get a book out of it. Well if the US is a UK colony why is the US a super power and the UK an extention of Blairs ass?
Classic!

Well if you ask me,anyone who is even questioning leaving this country should just get out of here.YOU HERE THAT?! GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU F@$&'n TRAITOR!!!!!! :mp5:

Well if you ask me,anyone who is even questioning leaving this country should just get out of here.YOU HERE THAT?! GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU F@$&'n TRAITOR!!!!!! :mp5:
Erm, why, exactly, is it that anybody that might appreciate another country or have family there or something is a traitor?

Did you know that the plans for queens and ucc were mixed up, so they built the wrong buildings!! I think UCC got lucky!!! all that red brick gets to my head!

The red brick edifice that is QUB is a wonder to behold, and if you keep casting aspersions at the architectural magnificence that is my old alma mater, then you will have me to deal with.

Anyone that thinks QUB is comprised of unpleasent structures have obviously nevere seen the University of Ulster.

Well if you ask me,anyone who is even questioning leaving this country should just get out of here.YOU HERE THAT?! GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU F@$&'n TRAITOR!!!!!! :mp5:
troll

I take it you voted for the third option then?

Ok new to the game so i decided to join forums and to my surprise seen a thread about Ireland.

To my disappointment there was also alot of ignorance towards the IRA and talking of Northern Ireland basicaly as the dirty part of Ireland, the rest of it would rather forget.

This ignorance wasn't just from foreigners but also some of the Irish ppl. Though i'm tired after reading it so maybe i'm remembering it worse now than it was?

I by no means support the IRA but the way the catholic minority had been treated since the setting up of Northern Ireland was disgracefull and of course that is going to breed a resistant movement and that would happen anywhere in the world with the isreali palistan conflict a simlar issue. The police force was completely biased and corrupt and till all to recently was something like 97% protestant in a country that is roughly 60% protestant-40% catholic. in a way the IRA was also ment to "police its own". Not saying this right but you can see why a group would be reinvigourated.

For the ppl living a happy life in Dublin and looking distainfully up north to those bad terrorists should remember that just a few generations ago they were under British rule and had a resistant movement. The setting up of Northern Ireland also was basicaly flawed as only 3 counties had a distinct protestant majourity yet it was thought that 3 was to small to set up so another 3 where added. Is it any wonder that there are still a hell of alot of people in Northern Ireland that think this was all wrong and would like to see a proper united Ireland?

I also didn't like all the Irish American bashing, although it is true that it is not well looked upon here. I think we should try to be more understanding of how the ppl brought up by the immegrants of a famine who were forced to leave loved ones freinds and there homes and go to america would bring up children and remind them they have irish blood in htem. Then the Irish American being proud to be Irish as it was instilled in them, that is not wrong at all... in fact its quite sweet. There is a problem that there are only about 5 milllion Irish ppl and something like 40 million Irish Americans , but it just goes to show how much they liked Ireland :D

On more of what was the original topic

If you move be prepared for a culture shock in the weather and get used to overcast and light rain.

i went to Queens for a bit though i ultimatley dropped out as i realised i didn't like the degree >< It is a big university to me anyways, Its Physics and computer courses were well run and the tutors were nice. Once you get to know your way round it is easy to get to and is within walking distance of the city centre of Belfast so transport is easy peasy :D Its much cheaper to live up here than down in Dublin and Belfast has been getting busier ever since the peace process so there is alot more to do. The city is a good bit smaller than Dublin though.

anyways i'm going to bed its 01:15 now :( damn reading and typing takes me ages

On more of what was the original topic

If you move be prepared for a culture shock in the weather and get used to overcast and light rain.

i went to Queens for a bit though i ultimatley dropped out as i realised i didn't like the degree >< It is a big university to me anyways, Its Physics and computer courses were well run and the tutors were nice. Once you get to know your way round it is easy to get to and is within walking distance of the city centre of Belfast so transport is easy peasy :D Its much cheaper to live up here than down in Dublin and Belfast has been getting busier ever since the peace process so there is alot more to do. The city is a good bit smaller than Dublin though.

anyways i'm going to bed its 01:15 now :( damn reading and typing takes me ages

Ah well i really don't want to start a discussion on the IRA, its the romanticism and glorification of their acts that angers people here on BOTH sides of the border. They have evolved beyond the 'resistance movement' phase a looooong time ago. They are now more than glorified crooks at the current juncture.

But, yeah! There is an amazing amount of Irish people on here... way more than i expected.

Ok new to the game so i decided to join forums and to my surprise seen a thread about Ireland.

Hi there.

To my disappointment there was also alot of ignorance towards the IRA and talking of Northern Ireland basicaly as the dirty part of Ireland, the rest of it would rather forget.

Looking at this thread you would probably get that impresion, yes, but myself, Nadkor, and IIRC Swimmingpool were recently involved in a thread where we bashed out all these issues, and on NS, it is kind of hard to keep saying the same thing week after week. Consider this an Ireland-lite thread.

But, yeah! There is an amazing amount of Irish people on here... way more than i expected.


Mwahaha! The Irish are everywhere!!


No offense ment with the Queens bashing! Infairness its better than WIT!!!!
Mongooses still think I'm the best fencing Captain in Ireland (north and south)

Oh your so funny! Just about as clever as that other idiot claiming to be Irish.
Wow you could get a book out of it. Well if the US is a UK colony why is the US a super power and the UK an extention of Blairs ass?

Kiddies, calm down - 'twas clearly a joke. There are enough muppets to be fought without killing each other over pseudofunny asides.

Ya. Who gave planning permission for ye're library, its almost as bad as our sience building! But I think that ugly science buildings are a general rule!
What courses in Mod hist are you doing?

Except in NUIM - the bio/comp building is deadly [if a little on the white side] and the phys/chem building is even better.

The new Hume building is top of the heap though.

Aha, knew I'd get a plug in somewhere.

Hi there.
Looking at this thread you would probably get that impresion, yes, but myself, Nadkor, and IIRC Swimmingpool were recently involved in a thread where we bashed out all these issues, and on NS, it is kind of hard to keep saying the same thing week after week. Consider this an Ireland-lite thread.

One has to remember that the sorts of ways in which people on both sides of the border look on the situation is *very* different to the way in which muppets like our Irish American poster do.

This thread was aimed squarely at the muppet point of view, so it would have appeared odd from our perspective. I've tried more reasonable discussions in the past, and they just go straight over the heads of muppets.

Kiddies, calm down - 'twas clearly a joke. There are enough muppets to be fought without killing each other over pseudofunny asides.


I know, as was my reply. I actually find that sort of British Humour quite amusing given that they're former colony is now far more powerful. I don't think many ppl take that kind of thing seriously. Most British ppl almost feel obligated to bring it in to conversation, a kind of remember the glory days!

Does anyone know how you 'double quote' in a reply???

erm i'm overwhelmed as to the seer size of these forums and number of posts !!!


Originally Posted by Bodies Without Organs


Hi there.

Looking at this thread you would probably get that impresion, yes, but myself, Nadkor, and IIRC Swimmingpool were recently involved in a thread where we bashed out all these issues, and on NS, it is kind of hard to keep saying the same thing week after week. Consider this an Ireland-lite thread.

Dang i would of been interested in taking part in that, looks like i missed the boat. Don't think i'll be too active on these forums as the sheer content and haveing to scroll back 3 pages to find this when i posted on it last night , kinda puts me off it a bit. But thanks for the hi anyways :D

erm i'm overwhelmed as to the seer size of these forums and number of posts !!!



Dang i would of been interested in taking part in that, looks like i missed the boat. Don't think i'll be too active on these forums as the sheer content and haveing to scroll back 3 pages to find this when i posted on it last night , kinda puts me off it a bit. But thanks for the hi anyways :D

If you click on the profile button in the top left hand corner of the screen you get a set of quick links to threads that you have posted on. Handy.


Anyhow, here's the link to the other trhead I was talking about:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418590

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Does anyone know how you 'double quote' in a reply???


By hand: just add {quote=John Q Random} ...quoted text.... {/quote}.

Except with square brackets [] instead of squiggley ones {}

Sorry - didn't see "What a stupid bone-headed question" as one of the choices in the poll. Can you seriously be thinking of basing your decision (if, in fact, you are really considering this move) on random answers from people you don't know and have never met? With that thought in mind, I had to post here to say...

What a stupid, bone-headed question!

What a stupid, bone-headed question!

Aleatory decision making methods are not necessarily stupid.

cf. John Cage.