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Has humanity really sunk so low? [rant-type thing]

The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 03:55
Whenever I come back to visit the First World after living in the third world for a while, I really am shocked. Same when I read these forums. Why?

Quite simple: Humans have less of a regard for human life than ever before.

Example: On just another thread, I asked this guy if he cared about the people who died so he and others could smoke drugs. His response? No, of course.

Example 2: When I ask people about what they think of dictatorships that torture their own people, but gave their country money, they say that, "They don't care."

Example 3: When people are asked what they'd like to happen to someone that disagrees with them, they, of course, say that the person was killed.

Has humanity really sunk so low as to not care about each other any more? In the third world, where much of the time just surviving is a struggle, people are more united and concerned for the betterment of man. They don't want people to die, they just want to live happily. However, seeing how the people of the first world already live in the lap of luxury compared to those in the third world, they apparently couldn't give a rats ass about human life. Sure, some fat white people from the south might dance around chanting "pro-life" outside of congress, but they are as anti-life as it gets. Ask them what they think should happen to the people who disagree with the U.S.? Kill em is what they say, of course.

It's not just a U.S. problem, of course. Nearly every first world country is tarnished by such thoughts. The second world too, and the elite of the third world. Are only the poor able to think of life as a gift, and not something to be ended at random?

I hope not. For humanities sake.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 03:58
Firstly, Im a woman, secondly, you clearly didnt listen to my explanation as to why I wont tolerate myself crying every time I hear about someone overdosing. This doesnt just go for third world, but also first world.

Oncea gain, extream biases. But please, lets drag this into yet another thread.
The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 03:59
Firstly, Im a woman, secondly, you clearly didnt listen to my explanation as to why I wont tolerate myself crying every time I hear about someone overdosing. This doesnt just go for third world, but also first world.

Oncea gain, extream biases. But please, lets drag this into yet another thread.


I'm not just talking about you.

And spelling lessons would be nice for you.

And yes, I did listen to your explanation.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:01
Example: On just another thread, I asked this guy if he cared about the people who died so he and others could smoke drugs. His response? No, of course.
Not it wasnt 'no of course'. It was "I cant sit here and cry my eyes out at every violatoin of human rights. It happens all the time everywhere and I have to selectivly numb myself to it so that I dont cry 100% of the time.

Example 2: When I ask people about what they think of dictatorships that torture their own people, but gave their country money, they say that, "They don't care."

For the record, this never came up before and isnt my opinion.

Example 3: When people are asked what they'd like to happen to someone that disagrees with them, they, of course, say that the person was killed.

I admit i tell completely idiotic people that they should be shot, but thats about as far as I go. If someone sais someone on pot is going to run them over with a car that person really has no idea what pot is and really needs to sit down and shut up.

And id also like to remind you how the world works: first world nations are up because third world nations are down. Unless everyoens willing to throw everything they know and love away, nothings going ot change.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:03
I'm not just talking about you.

And spelling lessons would be nice for you.

And yes, I did listen to your explanation.
Fuck this is the second time ive had to explain this today: english is internationally accepted as the stupidest language in the world. I dont care to spell in it.
And every time im in a disagreement with people they point out my spelling/grammar. As if pointing this out will make my statemnt void and thus they must be right. Its nto the case. And how pathetic and weak is your point if you have to bring up my spelling to support you? Honestly now.
Czardas
15-05-2005, 04:08
Fuck this is the second time ive had to explain this today: english is internationally accepted as the stupidest language in the world. I dont care to spell in it.
And every time im in a disagreement with people they point out my spelling/grammar. As if pointing this out will make my statemnt void and thus they must be right. Its nto the case. And how pathetic and weak is your point if you have to bring up my spelling to support you? Honestly now.That used to happen to me all the time. Whenever I made a sensible point in an argument with my parents they told me to be quiet, I was shouting. Even when I was speaking very quietly. It seemed as though my argument was invalidated because I was speaking too loudly. Honestly, these humans are crazy. Ils sont fous ces humaines! (Pardon my French.)

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Gartref
15-05-2005, 04:09
Whenever I come back to visit the First World after living in the third world for a while, I really am shocked. Same when I read these forums. Why?

Quite simple: Humans have less of a regard for human life than ever before.

Example: On just another thread, I asked this guy if he cared about the people who died so he and others could smoke drugs. His response? No, of course.

Example 2: When I ask people about what they think of dictatorships that torture their own people, but gave their country money, they say that, "They don't care."

Example 3: When people are asked what they'd like to happen to someone that disagrees with them, they, of course, say that the person was killed.

Has humanity really sunk so low as to not care about each other any more? In the third world, where much of the time just surviving is a struggle, people are more united and concerned for the betterment of man. They don't want people to die, they just want to live happily. However, seeing how the people of the first world already live in the lap of luxury compared to those in the third world, they apparently couldn't give a rats ass about human life. Sure, some fat white people from the south might dance around chanting "pro-life" outside of congress, but they are as anti-life as it gets. Ask them what they think should happen to the people who disagree with the U.S.? Kill em is what they say, of course.

It's not just a U.S. problem, of course. Nearly every first world country is tarnished by such thoughts. The second world too, and the elite of the third world. Are only the poor able to think of life as a gift, and not something to be ended at random?

I hope not. For humanities sake.

I agree. I wish Whitey would try to emulate more closely the peaceful people of Rwanda. I also wish we could return to that era of history where people loved, respected and cared for each other. I believe it was in 5783 BC and lasted for about 12 minutes.
Incenjucarania
15-05-2005, 04:10
On topic:

No. Humans haven't sunk any lower.

They always sucked. Always will.

Organisms are bitches.
Xenicus
15-05-2005, 04:10
I agree. I wish Whitey would try to emulate more closely the peaceful people of Rwanda. I also wish we could return to that era of history where people loved, respected and cared for each other. I believe it was in 5783 BC and lasted for about 12 minutes.



ROFL
Incenjucarania
15-05-2005, 04:12
I agree. I wish Whitey would try to emulate more closely the peaceful people of Rwanda. I also wish we could return to that era of history where people loved, respected and cared for each other. I believe it was in 5783 BC and lasted for about 12 minutes.

Clearly, someone should show Whitey the way to peace.

By killing him.

:D
Zotona
15-05-2005, 04:14
We call "rant-type things" trolling/flaming in this forum. Just FYI.
The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 04:14
Fuck this is the second time ive had to explain this today: english is internationally accepted as the stupidest language in the world. I dont care to spell in it.
And every time im in a disagreement with people they point out my spelling/grammar. As if pointing this out will make my statemnt void and thus they must be right. Its nto the case. And how pathetic and weak is your point if you have to bring up my spelling to support you? Honestly now.

sigh

I just pointed it out because It bugs me. (Unless you are speaking 1337)

Also, just a raise of hands, who here has seen war and suffering up close? Who here has seen bombed out areas of cities in person? Who here has walked among the less fortunate of this Earth and tried to do something?

*raises my hand*

Anyone else?

Humans should be above this. We have advanced so much, why can't everyone prosper?
The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 04:15
We call "rant-type things" trolling/flaming in this forum. Just FYI.

How am I trolling?

Please, point this out.

I just said that the current state of humanity sickens me. When did I troll?
The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 04:19
I agree. I wish Whitey would try to emulate more closely the peaceful people of Rwanda. I also wish we could return to that era of history where people loved, respected and cared for each other. I believe it was in 5783 BC and lasted for about 12 minutes.

...

Sarcasm is a real good tool here.

Even if we weren't good in the past, why can't we be good now? Humanity has extended it's reach to space. We have cured many of the diseases that have wiped out our kind for much of history. We have riches beyond our ancestors wildest dreams. Why can't we start being better now? Why must people like you try to not help those in need?
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:20
Things that I have said that you've taken out of context:

The fact that I can turn unknown beings in 'other' means that I have the mental strength to keep myself sane and keep my life on track. i can 'turn that off' when I want to, and be compassionate for people i know, but I dont need to cry a river everyt ime someone gets shot (because then id be dying constantly). Im perfectly aware that people are dying all over the place constantly from rapes, and over doses, and cancer, and anything else imaginable. Call me 'numb' to it but I just cant let myself cry all the time.

Next, I am liberal. If people want to throw their lives away to drugs then so be it. If people want to indulge in a joint every once in a while then so be it.



Your missing something: it would be very hard to directly affect me. Maybe future generations, but nto quite me.

Ive htough long and hard about this, sweat shops, drugs, and you cant change it. Its throwing money at a situation, not a cause. And until us in the first world are willing to give up everything that makes us us, this is the way its gong to remain. We're high because theyre low. Thats how the world economy works.

Now you trying to convince me other-wise is an extream biased view.




Look at the world economy babe, look at it from the large picture. Unless they over-throw their master government its not happening.

National debt, have you noticed why the interest rates are where they are? Because that nation now OWNES them. They give them enough money to live and then be their slaves.

Look at the economy. it all has to ballance out. Currently its unballanced, taht why first world nations are up high and third world natoins are low. They cant do anything because we're focing them down. Theyre doing the crappy work so we can do the good work. How many factory workers do you know? Now how many factory workers does the average sumalian know.

Nothigns going to change this unless WE change it here. And we're not going to. So come to the realization that you cant do shit.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:21
Humans should be above this. We have advanced so much, why can't everyone prosper?

No. We're animals.
Czardas
15-05-2005, 04:22
Clearly, someone should show Whitey the way to peace.

By killing him.

:DWe call "rant-type things" trolling/flaming in this forum. Just FYI.

Threatening to kill people is also flaming, FYI.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Xenicus
15-05-2005, 04:26
...

Sarcasm is a real good tool here.

Even if we weren't good in the past, why can't we be good now? Humanity has extended it's reach to space. We have cured many of the diseases that have wiped out our kind for much of history. We have riches beyond our ancestors wildest dreams. Why can't we start being better now? Why must people like you try to not help those in need?



Ok, fine, lets all agree to be nice and peaceful people and see if it spreads. Lets see if this thread has the power to change our nature. Here are the facts; we cannot be an entirely peaceful society because it’s not in our nature to do so. Sooner or later someone is going to say... what’s the point? Or someone will do something someone does not agree with and we'll catch on again and be stupid meanies once more.
Incenjucarania
15-05-2005, 04:26
Threatening to kill people is also flaming, FYI.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Accusing someone of flaming could be construed as flaming.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:27
...

Sarcasm is a real good tool here.

Even if we weren't good in the past, why can't we be good now? Humanity has extended it's reach to space. We have cured many of the diseases that have wiped out our kind for much of history. We have riches beyond our ancestors wildest dreams. Why can't we start being better now? Why must people like you try to not help those in need?
Because people like you like indoor plumbing.
Zotona
15-05-2005, 04:28
How am I trolling?

Please, point this out.

I just said that the current state of humanity sickens me. When did I troll?
*LOL*
Zotona
15-05-2005, 04:29
Threatening to kill people is also flaming, FYI.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
I didn't threaten to kill anyone, that I recall. If I did, could you please remind me my exact words?
Czardas
15-05-2005, 04:35
Accusing someone of flaming could be construed as flaming.Only by a crazy person or a really vindictive one. I didn't threaten to kill anyone, that I recall. If I did, could you please remind me my exact words?You didn't threaten to kill anyone, that was Incenjucarania.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Incenjucarania
15-05-2005, 04:36
Only by a crazy person or a really vindictive one. You didn't threaten to kill anyone, that was Incenjucarania.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Because, as you know, there's no such this as sarcasm.

If you thought otherwise, well... were you being vindictive?
Jibea
15-05-2005, 04:39
Fuck this is the second time ive had to explain this today: english is internationally accepted as the stupidest language in the world. I dont care to spell in it.
And every time im in a disagreement with people they point out my spelling/grammar. As if pointing this out will make my statemnt void and thus they must be right. Its nto the case. And how pathetic and weak is your point if you have to bring up my spelling to support you? Honestly now.

Well it gets annoying to read something that is spelt bad. For example can anyone understand this.

Teh huterbly dre aet berad pecie yb foal epiec

That is an extremely bad way to say:
The red flutterby (it is the old word for butterfly which I like to use since it makes more since) ate a loaf of bread piece by piece. Although nonsensical it is perfect grammar.
Zotona
15-05-2005, 04:39
Only by a crazy person or a really vindictive one. You didn't threaten to kill anyone, that was Incenjucarania.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Then why did you sarcasmize my quote to criticize someone else? Don't drag me into it! :p
Jibea
15-05-2005, 04:44
Well my opinion of humanity is really low so I should not enter my logic. Thomas Malthus thought war was good, and used parts Charles Darwins theory of evolution to say that there would always be less food then the (human) population, then I forget, but it probably ends in something about death. He thought death was good so there are people on both ends of the spectrum.

He influenced David Ricardo (I think that is how you spell it) who wrote the Law of Iron Wages which used evolution to state that some people are naturally talented with money, and if the poor obtain money, then they would loose it all very quickly because they are not fit (or something, I am improvising after very quickly due to my bad memory, but I know the just of it) to control money. This was used to battle socialism and stated that the worker should only be given the bare minimum to live, to little would kill them, and I forgot the too much.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 04:59
Well it gets annoying to read something that is spelt bad. For example can anyone understand this.

Teh huterbly dre aet berad pecie yb foal epiec

That is an extremely bad way to say:
The red flutterby (it is the old word for butterfly which I like to use since it makes more since) ate a loaf of bread piece by piece. Although nonsensical it is perfect grammar.
If it was in context I believe I could read that.

But whoever types like that is probably drunk and theyre words not credible at that moment.
Yes, I'll get mixed up every once in a while, but thats probably because I have a million things on my mind and im trying to get them down as quickly as posisble.
Gartref
15-05-2005, 05:03
Why must people like you try to not help those in need?

I wish we lived in a world where self-righteous dweebs didn't make insulting over-simplified generalizations about people they don't even know.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 05:10
I wish we lived in a world where self-righteous dweebs didn't make insulting over-simplified generalizations about people they don't even know.
Oh can I quote you? I coudl have really used that about an hour ago in the 'why is marijuana prohibited' thread.
Gartref
15-05-2005, 05:11
Oh can I quote you? I coudl have really used that about an hour ago in the 'why is marijuana prohibited' thread.

Go for it.
Poke The Bunny
15-05-2005, 05:45
Honestly I think everyone's ganging up on you for no reason what-so-ever. You went somewhere where you saw people at their lowest points but the were still helping and loving to one another, and you came back here only to see people being assholes.

I know that one person can't change much, but for people to say that you can't do anything because you're just one person is just wrong. The one comment, "Because people like you like indoor plumbing" isn't quite fair in itself. Why should we love it but be unwilling to give others the same bit of sanitation? And honestly, I think if someone on the otherside of the world who has absolutely nothing was able to benefit by the entire first-world country giving up cable or anything else to that sort so they could have something more? I'd do it. I can live without TV, or this computer, and NationStates even.

The fact that people keep saying things like you can't do anything is horrible. I may have never seen war first hand or people suffering, but I--one person--want to do everything I can to help them. I have very little money of my own, being a typical High School student, but everytime I see some sort of donation for anything that could help anyone else in this world, I take my time to give money. Hell, I even donate my glasses when I get a new prescription in hopes of someone else getting to see.

One person can do more then they think. If everyone had the idea that one person could do nothing, then there wouldn't be things like the Peace Corps. If everyone just stuck to trying to help others and not benefit themselves, I think that it would be a better world.

I say cheers for you post, and that people need to get over themselves and just take a look that first world countries are filled with selfish individuals who could do more if they got up from the Playstations or Gameboys and took some time to put physical labour into helping someone less fortunate then themselves.

Even here in our own nation. Go work in a soup kitchen. You'd be surprised how grateful the homeless are for you just putting a ladel of hot chicken soup in a bowl for them. The look of gratitude on their faces is enough of a payment in it's own way.
Istenert
15-05-2005, 06:07
but for people to say that you can't do anything because you're just one person is just wrong.

Actually I dont think a single person said that.

The one comment, "Because people like you like indoor plumbing" isn't quite fair in itself. Why should we love it but be unwilling to give others the same bit of sanitation?
because you dont understand what your indoor plumbing as to do with theirs

And honestly, I think if someone on the otherside of the world who has absolutely nothing was able to benefit by the entire first-world country giving up cable or anything else to that sort so they could have something more? I'd do it. I can live without TV, or this computer, and NationStates even.

Did you know that the US government is looking to make internet cable accessable to all of its citizens.

The fact that people keep saying things like you can't do anything is horrible. I may have never seen war first hand or people suffering, but I--one person--want to do everything I can to help them. I have very little money of my own, being a typical High School student, but everytime I see some sort of donation for anything that could help anyone else in this world, I take my time to give money. Hell, I even donate my glasses when I get a new prescription in hopes of someone else getting to see.
Do you donate your lunch money? Your cellphone? Your car and your movie tickets?
Your just as full of shit as the next guy

One person can do more then they think.
I think you have no grasp of what your talking about. Learn about how the world economy works first, then make optomisitic comments.

If everyone had the idea that one person could do nothing, then there wouldn't be things like the Peace Corps. If everyone just stuck to trying to help others and not benefit themselves, I think that it would be a better world.
there also wouldnt be things like coke machines and silk dresses (ok now im exagerating a bit :P)

I say cheers for you post, and that people need to get over themselves and just take a look that first world countries are filled with selfish individuals who could do more if they got up from the Playstations or Gameboys and took some time to put physical labour into helping someone less fortunate then themselves.
Funny how you have interent access

Even here in our own nation. Go work in a soup kitchen. You'd be surprised how grateful the homeless are for you just putting a ladel of hot chicken soup in a bowl for them. The look of gratitude on their faces is enough of a payment in it's own way.
Ok lets not get onto the homeless, theyre out there cuz they want to be. Thats a whole nother topic.
Intangelon
15-05-2005, 06:37
Whenever I come back to visit the First World after living in the third world for a while, I really am shocked. Same when I read these forums. Why?
You're suffering from "perspectivitis."

Quite simple: Humans have less of a regard for human life than ever before.
You mean less regard than beheadings for simple offenses? Less regard than lynching just for being Black? Less regard than the nobility for the peasantry in the age of Feudalism? Less regard than Romans for Christians (never blame the lions, they were just hungry)? Whenever I hear the statement there's more or less ______ than ever before, I usually prescribe a dose of history. Given the number of people alive now and when things were really heinous, modern humanity ain't doin' all that bad. Think of it as a ratio as opposed to a number. No, that doesn't make the numbers smaller or make those who kill right, but it does put things into perspective.

Example: On just another thread, I asked this guy if he cared about the people who died so he and others could smoke drugs. His response? No, of course.
Look -- just because the US refuses to see reason and legalize (thus drastically reducing the motive for many drug-production-related deaths), doesn't mean you can walk around moralizing to people who want to alter their consciousnesses. He probably responded the way he did because you approached him like some kind of zealot, indirectly fingering him for murder. Nobody appreciates sanctimony, especially when it's roots are specious.

Example 2: When I ask people about what they think of dictatorships that torture their own people, but gave their country money, they say that, "They don't care."
'Cause they're busy living their own lives. In fact they may indeed care, but feel that they aren't in the position to do anything about it, and even if they were, genocide and oil (the US chief motivation for sending troops) only rarely go hand-in-hand. Let there be a genocide in Venezuela, and the US will be all over that mutha.

Example 3: When people are asked what they'd like to happen to someone that disagrees with them, they, of course, say that the person was killed.
This one's simple. Hyperbole. You can't look me in the post and tell me you've never said you wanted to kill someone without meaning it -- or even close to meaning it -- before. Exaggeration is one of the products of anger + ego, and has been for a long time. The difference is, modern humanity has largely overcome the need to fight duels of a little petty name calling (with the possible exception of freeways in Los Angeles).

Has humanity really sunk so low as to not care about each other any more?
No. Of course, that depends on where you are and who you ask. Someone prowling the streets of Cabrini-Green or the South Bronx or Compton may have a different take on the value of human life. But the issue is far too complex and multifaceted for anyone to take someone bemoaning the fate of all humanity seriously.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your concern, and I certainly agree that there are those out there who consider human lives little more than a resource at best, a commodity, or at worst, an incovenience. So what do I do? I read (Harper's is a good place to start), learn, and act locally wherever I can -- all the while avoiding the birkenstock-and-bearded, granola, whiny sanctimony that so alienates those who might otherwise be convinced that we need to elect leaders who take all human life around the globe into consideration...even to the possible temporary setting-aside of those who are only at the single-cell level.

So keep feeling your outrage. That's good. Just remember that nobody likes to be talked to like they're idiots just because they don't listen to NPR. Make a point of bringing how you see things up when the time is right as opposed to "picketing" a conversation or leveling accusations at those who would never react favorably to being accused of something they don't know about. 'Cause that gets old fast.
Watered minds
15-05-2005, 06:43
I believe that every overyone is

ganging up.

On the lightning star because lightning star had to go to country were people are suffing to wonder why humans don't help each other and why we are so horrible. Where as most of the people here already know that we are a horrible species and we aren't going to change :( , it's very negitive but that's just my opinion
Istenert
15-05-2005, 06:45
You're suffering from "perspectivitis."
Never heard of that, but I believe the title Culture Bound can be applied


You mean less regard than beheadings for simple offenses? Less regard than lynching just for being Black? Less regard than the nobility for the peasantry in the age of Feudalism? Less regard than Romans for Christians (never blame the lions, they were just hungry)? Whenever I hear the statement there's more or less ______ than ever before, I usually prescribe a dose of history. Given the number of people alive now and when things were really heinous, modern humanity ain't doin' all that bad. Think of it as a ratio as opposed to a number. No, that doesn't make the numbers smaller or make those who kill right, but it does put things into perspective.
Oooh your a smart one ;)


Look -- just because the US refuses to see reason and legalize (thus drastically reducing the motive for many drug-production-related deaths), doesn't mean you can walk around moralizing to people who want to alter their consciousnesses. He probably responded the way he did because you approached him like some kind of zealot, indirectly fingering him for murder. Nobody appreciates sanctimony, especially when it's roots are specious.
That she did, and Im a woman.

'Cause they're busy living their own lives. In fact they may indeed care, but feel that they aren't in the position to do anything about it, and even if they were, genocide and oil (the US chief motivation for sending troops) only rarely go hand-in-hand. Let there be a genocide in Venezuela, and the US will be all over that mutha.
Like I said about the 'i cant waste time crying a river every time a baby dies cuz id be crying all day' kind of thing.
The Great Sixth Reich
15-05-2005, 06:56
Mark Flanagan of Glannant, Wales was wandering, drunk, on a divided highway after his brother's stag party when he was run down — by four separate cars.

None of the drivers stopped to help him. And none of them reported any of the accidents.

At Flanagan's inquest, a coroner called the quadruple tragedy "a tale of inhumanity."

Marsha Kranes, Post Wires

That proves that humanity is low. ;)
Istenert
15-05-2005, 07:05
That proves that humanity is low. ;)
bystander effect.

Do you know what case first braught attention to it? A woman was killed. The murder took over a half hour. Over 30 people saw - and watched - from their windows. None of them did anything, not even clal the cops.
Armandian Cheese
15-05-2005, 07:08
sigh

I just pointed it out because It bugs me. (Unless you are speaking 1337)

Also, just a raise of hands, who here has seen war and suffering up close? Who here has seen bombed out areas of cities in person? Who here has walked among the less fortunate of this Earth and tried to do something?

*raises my hand*

Anyone else?

Humans should be above this. We have advanced so much, why can't everyone prosper?

Because we're human! We've never restrained from killing ourselves, and will not now. And please, the regard for human life is no stronger in the Third World. Notice the bombed out areas and war and suffering that you mention? The rape of children in Africa due to a myth about curing AIDs? The constant wars and terrorism? The Third World is no more and no less human than the rest of us.
Belligerent Duct Tape
15-05-2005, 07:20
Let there be a genocide in Venezuela, and the US will be all over that mutha.

If only. Here's a line that brings up some interesting discussion. It's too bad this post is really a screaming match for Istenert (Istenert, you're a bitch. Maybe you're right, but you're a bitch about it. And you're a woman. You seem to be obsessed about that fact, as if it in itself is a valid argument. I don't give a rat's ass).

Anyway, genocide in Venezuela would mean that the US will be all over that mutha. Just like we were in Rwanda - oh, wait, we weren't. Or in Cambodia when Pol Pot was in power - oh, wait, we kinda missed out on that one, too. We didn't miss out on the Vietnam war, though, so we got a good chance to fight communism by supporting a corrupt "democracy" (Hussein-style).

No, humanity hasn't fallen. But it could be progressing so much nicer. And it really is mostly an attitude problem. We don't care, so we vote for whoever gives us more tax breaks or welfare, whichever one you get more of. Millionaires vote republican, billionaires vote democrat, the working class loses and the rest of the world gets the royal shaft.

We're required by UN law to give 0.7% of our GDP to foreign aid. We haven't given more than 0.2% in any given year, and European nations aren't much better. And look to middle-eastern immigrants in Europe, especially from Turkey. What do Europeans think of it? They're thinking about their jobs being taken. I say we integrate the world, tear down international borders, and care about other humans. I'm not saying it'll work well, I'm not saying it'll even happen, but I'm saying it should. Because no matter how damaging it would be, it's the only way we'll ever get people to care about their fellow humans.

I now leave this post up to dissection and mutilation by Istenert. Have fun.
Intangelon
15-05-2005, 08:42
Anyway, genocide in Venezuela would mean that the US will be all over that mutha. Just like we were in Rwanda - oh, wait, we weren't. Or in Cambodia when Pol Pot was in power - oh, wait, we kinda missed out on that one, too.


Wow. You completely missed the conection to OIL. Let me try this again. Let there be a genocide [IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S ALSO OIL, LIKE] Venezuela, and the US will be all over that mutha.

I apologize if my desire to say that in fewer words led to you even imagining that the US would intervene in a genocide in a country WITHOUT oil. :rolleyes:
Intangelon
15-05-2005, 08:48
--snipple ring--
A) Oooh your a smart one ;)

--schnipp--

B) That she did, and Im a woman.

--snip-hop--



A) Trying to figure out if I deserved to be slathered in the petulant chyme of sarcasm...

...nope. So that's your problem.

B) Uh...I don't care. The original post never mentioned the sex of the person Lightening was talking about. I assumed "he" because that's a fairly safe bet online, and gender didn't factor into the response. So, again, my molehill, your mountain.

NEXT!
Intangelon
15-05-2005, 09:07
Fuck this is the second time ive had to explain this today: english is internationally accepted...

...and stop right there.

Because it's internationally accepted, you should learn to use it.

Sorry, but if you're going to be all defensive and sarcastic, a ribbing about your syntax is the least you should expect.

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Back to the topic:

Of course I get irritated when people take life for granted -- most especially overprivileged whelps like those two unsupervised fuckwits who shot up Columbine High. "Oh, gee-golly, the popular people pick on us and life is hard...boo-hoo and BANG-BANG." They were so obviously unbalanced and nobody paid attention. So if that can go on here, in a nation as "advanced" as the US, when exactly do you think we're gonna be getting around to Congo, Sudan, Rwanda, or the South Side of Chicago, for that matter?

It's going to take such a major shift in ideals and worldviews for any kind of meaningful worldwide effort to help the Third World that it will likely not happen for millennia, if ever. Greed will have to step aside -- and while you're busy gut-laughing at that, let me also add that militant-minded fear will also have to go. The Third World will have to pull it's head out, too. Raping virgins cures AIDS?!? Clitoridectomies? Hell, no the First World isn't a moral beacon, but at least we've stopped most of that superstitious crap (well, okay, you're right, but the FLDS in Utah can't be helped).

Point is, I see pictures and hear NPR/BBC accounts of what's happening and it sickens and saddens me to the core. But until there's profit in erasing human misery or a global willingess to admit that profit is not so incredibly necessary that people should die for it and we can all live well without becoming conglomerated money/consumer goods whores -- until things like that start happening, there's not much more that can be done. The few amazingly dedicated workers, doctors and other engineers/professionals who give of themselves will have to continue to rely on the noblesse oblige of the ubercapitalists to keep their respective trickles of hope flowing. And God bless them, too.