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Alright. I need someone to be the clear thinking one because I am obviously not in the right frame of mind.
I am going through a divorce right now. Hopefully this divorce will be finalized by the beginning of August. That is not my problem though. My problem is I have recently had an offer from friend (that could be more than a friend) to move to California and live with him. I also received an offer from two friends from Norway to move to there and they would take care of all the expenses involved with me moving. I don't know what to do!!! I would love to move to nice sunny California, and who knows if this friend is going to be much more. I also would love to live abroad and just be me for a while. I have to say, the thought of living abroad intrigues me. I don't know what to do. Anyone have any suggestions????? :confused:

Norway, definitely Norway, but then again, I'm a huge black metal fan, so I'm somewhat biased.

On the other hand, if you want to move back to the states then you're kind of out of luck.

You should make a poll (In thread tools).

Norway definately is the plaace for you.. it's a dumb. Kidding - move to Norway! What have you got to lose? At least the girls/guys - whatever you fancy - are hot.

Good idea. Will do :D

Does the winter get you down even the slightest bit in Michigan? If so forget Norway. It is a very long way North and the absence of sunlight in the winter can have serious psychological effects. Suprisingly the exteded daylight in the summer can also mess your emotional balance up as well.
However if you are not prone to moodiness, then go for moving abroad. One advantage of going to Norway is that you will be able to afford to move back if you don't like it. The cost of living gradient favours moving away from Northern Europe to the USA.

No question, move to Norway. I would if I could Afjord it.

Does the winter get you down even the slightest bit in Michigan? If so forget Norway. It is a very long way North and the absence of sunlight in the winter can have serious psychological effects. Suprisingly the exteded daylight in the summer can also mess your emotional balance up as well.
However if you are not prone to moodiness, then go for moving abroad. One advantage of going to Norway is that you will be able to afford to move back if you don't like it. The cost of living gradient favours moving away from Northern Europe to the USA.
How's the booze in Brazil? Good, I trust...

Forget Norway! More like S'noreway!

Move to KENYA!

quite honestly, i find myself in delemas that are usually as imposing as this one you have. the thing i do is i sit down with a notepad, divide the paper into four pieces, label the columns as the two subjects, and label the rows "advantages" and "disadvantages." then list every possible thought you've ever had about this change (you may find the notepad very full hen you are done...) add up each column, and decide from that. its the easiest and most logical thing i can think of. i hope this helps.

uh
do you speak norwegian?
ever been to norway?
do you really really like the cold dark snow?

are you nutz? move to california then ask your norwegian friends to join you there. they will be forever in your debt.

Could you rephrase that as an ethical question?

quite honestly, i find myself in delemas that are usually as imposing as this one you have. the thing i do is i sit down with a notepad, divide the paper into four pieces, label the columns as the two subjects, and label the rows "advantages" and "disadvantages." then list every possible thought you've ever had about this change (you may find the notepad very full hen you are done...) add up each column, and decide from that. its the easiest and most logical thing i can think of. i hope this helps.


LOL! Did that already :D Now I just figured I would get everyone elses opinion seeing as I can't think straight :p

LOL! Did that already :D Now I just figured I would get everyone elses opinion seeing as I can't think straight :p
So what's your decision? Don't keep us guessing.

That's the problem. They came out even! :headbang:

Although, right now I am leaning towards Norway unless someone can give me some REALLY good reasons as to why I shouldn't.

You better start packing then. There are no 'really good reasons' against it.

when you are going through a huge life change, like divorce, you shouldnt make any major decisions. you should let your life settle out then decide what to do when you are sane again.

when you are going through a huge life change, like divorce, you shouldnt make any major decisions. you should let your life settle out then decide what to do when you are sane again.


No!!!!!! Boooo! :gundge: That is no fun! ;) I have to move somewhere, it is just a matter of where to move.

when you are going through a huge life change, like divorce, you shouldnt make any major decisions. you should let your life settle out then decide what to do when you are sane again.
But when you are going through huge changes in life, you should move to Norway, right? That's what you're trying to say?

Norway, definitely Norway, but then again, I'm a huge black metal fan, so I'm somewhat biased.

you are correct my friend

if by moving to norway you mean "packing a suitcase and living there for a year or so" go ahead. as long as you dont have family or career considerations.

if it means "packing up everything i own into a shipping container to send to norway to live until the end of my life, leaving behind my medschool, my small children, and my ailing elderly parents" wait a year, then decide.

Go to Norway. Its Norwayiffic

Isn't it quite socialistic and liberal? If so, it sounds like as a good place as any to go.

Go to Norway. Its Norwayiffic

Or is it Norwaytastic?

Or is it Norwaytastic?
It's Norwaysted. But still pretty good.

Do you speak Norwegian?

No, but for the most part, I can read it. There are plenty of jobs there for people who only speak English and I easily pick languages up. :cool: I have friends there that can help me learn it really quickly.




Min skjønnhet er på innsiden (means my beauty is on the inside----that's norwegian :D )

Here's a quick free website that gives free tutorials on speaking and writing Norwegian:
http://www.sofn.com/norwegianculture/languagelessons/.

Norway is a terrific country. I'd say go for it.

I lived in the country of the old fellas (Norway) for 5 years, it's not a big change for me really but there are some things you as a foreigner should know first.
Two weeks might be good for a foreigner but to live here (in the north) is some thing else.
Foreigners cant take the long dark and cold winters and get insomnia in the summer because of the 24/7 daylight and go crazy.
There is now a growing 'hate' against foreign people coming to European nations amongst young people and it is growing, so you would have to be able to take that.
The people here have zero tollerance for foreign people collecting checks from the government-money that would be better spent on, in this case, Norway and Norwegians. Get what I mean? Get a job asap.
Do not expect people there to talk english, Norwegian is the language and that is something you must learn.

No question, move to Norway. I would if I could Afjord it.


Im going to have to remember that one. Made me laugh quite heartily. :D :p

There is now a growing 'hate' against foreign people coming to European nations amongst young people and it is growing, so you would have to be able to take that.
Please elaborate.

Please elaborate.
You should be able to find a U.N. or a E.U. Report on this issue.
I am too damn tired to go into it.
Let me be clear on this....its not like all the people or all the youth are like this but it is growing. It was in the news a few moths ago and they said it came from a UN or EU report or study on the issue.

You should be able to find a U.N. or a E.U. Report on this issue.
I am too damn tired to go into it.
Let me be clear on this....its not like all the people or all the youth are like this but it is growing. It was in the news a few moths ago and they said it came from a UN or EU report or study on the issue.
I was just asking. If you are too tired to prove your point, that's good enough for me. Just seemed peculiar (and not altogether clear) to me, that's all.
Peace

I'd go for Norway. It would be a great experience for you, if you've never lived overseas before, and the huge cultural difference/shock would take your mind off your divorce. If it turns to custard you can always head back to the States and what have you lost? A few months, but gained some great life experience.
Norway's a country I'd love to visit, personally.

I was just asking. If you are too tired to prove your point, that's good enough for me. Just seemed peculiar (and not altogether clear) to me, that's all.
Peace
Whatever.....here it is, happy now???

Demonstration Against The Growing Racism In Europe

Friday 13th of December in Copenhagen

During the EU summit state leaders and thousands of journalists will gather in Copenhagen. This happens in a time of history where xenophobia is growing all over Europe and where xenophobic right wing parties in Denmark, Italy and Austria are in positions that allow them to dictate the policies towards refugees and immigrants. While ethnic minorities are facing growing discrimination in the EU countries the European leaders are striving to build a fortress around Europe to close out refugees with all means available.

The Danish right wing government has already tightened up their policies towards ethnic minorities. Although the Danish government often hails the defence of Human Rights many of those new government initiatives are discriminating and violating the Human Rights of the ethnic minorities and putting in danger the possibility of integrating the ethnic minorities as Danish citizens with equal rights. The Danish Minister of Integration and European Relations Mr. Bertel Haarder have declared that the Danish government will use its chairing of the EU summit to further a common EU asylum policy and thus make it even more difficult for refugees to enter Europe.

The Initiative for Another Europe will use the EU summit to show the need that progressive forces all over Europe unite in resisting this development. We will send a message to the world that there is another more tolerant and responsible Denmark than the official picture drawn by the Danish government showing one of the most xenophobic countries in Europe.

During the EU summit in Copenhagen in December The Initiative for Another Europe will arrange various activities among which are a great public meeting about the rights of immigrants and the building of Fortress Europe on Thursday the 12th of December in the evening and a demonstration against the growing racism in Europe on Friday the 13th of December in the afternoon.

The political agenda of the demonstration is as follows:

· Refugees have the right to obtain asylum – no to Fortress Europe and Schengen

· Defend Human Rights and international solidarity – fight the xenophobic policies of the Danish government

· Equal rights for all citizens – against discrimination and racism

· Equal salaries for equal work independent of skin colour – against discriminating "integration subsidies" and "start salaries".

Time and place for the demonstration: Enghave Plads, Friday 13th of December at 17.00.

The demonstration is supported by the following organizations (Last updated october 14):

Enhedslisten, Enhedslisten-København, SUF, SF, SF-København, SFU, LAK, Minoritetspartiet, AFA, Demos, Komiteen Flygtninge under jorden, FEY-KURD, Dansk Kurdisk Forening, Kvindernes Internationale Liga for fred og frihed, IS, IS-ungdom, LFS-Landsforeningen for Socialpædagoger, Antidiskriminationsforbundet i Danmark (IDFAD), Etnisk Debatforum, Fair Play, Globale Rødder, SOS mod racisme, Internationalt Forum, Alevi Ungdom DK, Murersvendenes Fagforening, Anarkistføderationen, Folkebevægelsens Ungdom, Træ-Industri-Byg København (TIB-27), Rød Ungdom, SID-Bryggeriarbejdernes Fagforening i København, RAV-Kvinder mod unionen. ATTAC, Sydafrika Kontakt, Anti-racistisk netværk, SID Ungdom-København
http://www.attac.no/index.php?url=vis.php%3FID%3D230

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5737

U.N.http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2004/issue4/0404p32.html

Here, I have proven my point....I'm going to go to bed now.

Whatever.....here it is, happy now???

Demonstration Against The Growing Racism In Europe

Friday 13th of December in Copenhagen

During the EU summit state leaders and thousands of journalists will gather in Copenhagen. This happens in a time of history where xenophobia is growing all over Europe and where xenophobic right wing parties in Denmark, Italy and Austria are in positions that allow them to dictate the policies towards refugees and immigrants. While ethnic minorities are facing growing discrimination in the EU countries the European leaders are striving to build a fortress around Europe to close out refugees with all means available.

The Danish right wing government has already tightened up their policies towards ethnic minorities.

Norway is not like Denmark - Norway is still liberal and tolerant, and is also more tolerant than Sweden. Because of our having been occupied by the Nazis most of us are vaccinated against neo-nazism and general fascist bullshit. Norwegians are generally appalled at the direction Denmark has taken. So I wouldn't worry too much about that.

The light/darkness thing can be an issue. My boyfriend is English, and he has big problems sleeping in summer when it doesn't go dark at night. But you don't know if this will bother you before you have tried!

Which town in Norway do your friends live in?

Having spent 18 years (minus a few months spent in other European countries) here now, I have to say it's a great place to live. If you can handle the cold and dark winters, that is. It's quite delightful in the summer, with beautiful nature almost everywhere, plenty of hours with sunshine, and pleasent temperatures. The educational system isn't ranked too high (in results), but healthcare is.

You'd get pretty far by speaking English, though if you're going to live and work here, it's of course best to learn the language as soon as possible.