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Are you fat? And by fat, I don't suggest referring to some BMI calculator thing. People who are just well-built can be defined as overweight in some of those.

Are you fat? And by fat, I don't suggest referring to some BMI calculator thing. People who are just well-built can be defined as overweight in some of those.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Silent_Observer/susanssexxyshirt.jpg
i got a lil chub
And isnt that shirt just so sexy?

Are you fat? And by fat, I don't suggest referring to some BMI calculator thing. People who are just well-built can be defined as overweight in some of those.

Yes. At 6' tall and 300 lbs, I'm obese. I'm also working on getting rid of some of that weight through exercise and diet. Unfortunately, the only exercise I can do is swimming and I do that for one hour a day five days a week. I heard a recent study said that swimming will not help with weight loss :(

5'7" @ 212lbs. Little bit of a gut, but that is from all the beer. Aside from that, I was blessed with a very dense frame/body. I don't float.

Not fat here! I have a bit of "flab" on my stomach and chest, but that's it. My legs and arms are lean and muscular :D. I'm about 5'9.5" and 152 - 159 pounds (my weight fluxuates a lot. that's a high metabolism for you!), by the way.

I'm 182 cm and 87 kg. I got a treadmill today, and it will be square in front of the TV. I may also buy a Bowflex or something to send the manboobs to the place from whence they came

Yes. At 6' tall and 300 lbs, I'm obese. I'm also working on getting rid of some of that weight through exercise and diet. Unfortunately, the only exercise I can do is swimming and I do that for one hour a day five days a week. I heard a recent study said that swimming will not help with weight loss :(
Why wouldnt swimming help? Its excersize! Your using up glucose to make energy so it breaks down fat (unless you just ate a lot...) so basically activity = losign wieght. eating more than the activity you do = gaining weight.

193 cm and 106 kg.. nice muscles BUT a big belly also... ufff

Isn't great that I let people see who voted fat and whatnot? It's not public humiliation.

Yes. At 6' tall and 300 lbs, I'm obese. I'm also working on getting rid of some of that weight through exercise and diet. Unfortunately, the only exercise I can do is swimming and I do that for one hour a day five days a week. I heard a recent study said that swimming will not help with weight loss :(

It depends on your body type, and how you swim. I lost about fifteen pounds because I swam about three hours a day for a week.

Yes, unfortuneatly, but not over fat, I just look like I never lost my baby fat. I never have. I exercise, eat healthy and the like. I've just got a bit of pudge all around my body.

6'2 and around 223 pounds, and I always lose a good twenty over the spring and summer. Always.

I'm 182 cm and 87 kg. I got a treadmill today, and it will be square in front of the TV. I may also buy a Bowflex or something to send the manboobs to the place from whence they came
Cant be that bad.
6'2" 84KG

I'm only 5'8" and I weigh 55kg. I had one of those BFP tests - with the calipers - and apparently I was just inside healthy limits of body fat. So yay for me. I think.

It depends on your body type, and how you swim. I lost about fifteen pounds because I swam about three hours a day for a week.
That was probably water you lost. The body cant lose that much weight like that.

I'm only 5'8" and I weigh 55kg. I had one of those BFP tests - with the calipers - and apparently I was just inside healthy limits of body fat. So yay for me. I think.
Your the first to die if the world freezes over!
(im just trying to make myself feel better now)

1.72 cm and 60 kg. I have large bone estructure so I am supposed to weight more. Blame the goverment and insuficient wages! :headbang:

Why wouldnt swimming help? Its excersize! Your using up glucose to make energy so it breaks down fat (unless you just ate a lot...) so basically activity = losign wieght. eating more than the activity you do = gaining weight.

I'm not sure about that. Dont ask me how but i think swimming only tones you up. You wont really lose weight.

That was probably water you lost. The body cant lose that much weight like that.

Yeah, it was mostly water. My skin was a lot less jiggly rather than less fatty, though my face was noticeably thinner.

I'm not sure about that. Dont ask me how but i think swimming only tones you up. You wont really lose weight.
who's your dietician?

Swimming makes fat convert to muscle, which is about twice the weight of fat...

Weight is the stupidest measure. It's body fat ratio you need to worry about.

I'm 250 pounds, myself, but because I'm stronger than average, I look thinner than some people I've known who were 230.

Unfortunately, you can lose the mass in your adipos tissue, but once you get those fat cells and your skin stretches, you can never return to the original look without some form of surgery.

For the obese swimmer (sorry, I know that sounds bad), have you tried going to a health club or something and riding the bicycles where you're seated at a normal level? Doing 1 hour a day on those would reeeeeaally help. If you have joint problems because of your weight, it puts you at a low level so straining isn't required. Don't go extreme to do anything about it though. Those little metal suits you can buy can be really dangerous, and diet pills are often very dangerous too.

who's your dietician?

die..wha?

I dont have one. It was just something i saw on the news, but then a lot of scientific studies can be wrong, or just not take everything into account.

Why wouldnt swimming help? Its excersize! Your using up glucose to make energy so it breaks down fat (unless you just ate a lot...) so basically activity = losign wieght. eating more than the activity you do = gaining weight.

Well, I did loose 40 lbs. Used to weigh 340 but am down to 300. What the study said is that because the water is cool the body doesn't heat up the way it does if you exercise on land. They think that prevents you from loosing weight.

I did an experiment one morning and took my blood sugar before and after swimming and it dropped 40 points. That shows swimming burns up the sugar (calories) so I wonder about the validity of the study. :confused:

Your the first to die if the world freezes over!
(im just trying to make myself feel better now)
Nah. I'll be working in a secret weapons lab, deep underground, concocting new strains of virus to destroy my enemies. And bacteria to construct BLTs from waste refuse.

Toning = burning the fat that covers your muscles without increasing muscle size. That's what aerobics classes and light workouts do.

im 66kg and 170cms, so i think that puts me in the perfect weight range.

that said, im extremely weedy, most of my freinds have arm muscles twice the size of mine, and big muscley chests, whereas im just skin and bone. but although i never win in fights, i can always run faster and for longer than anyone else.

Well, I did loose 40 lbs. Used to weigh 340 but am down to 300. What the study said is that because the water is cool the body doesn't heat up the way it does if you exercise on land. They think that prevents you from loosing weight.

I did an experiment one morning and took my blood sugar before and after swimming and it dropped 40 points. That shows swimming burns up the sugar (calories) so I wonder about the validity of the study. :confused:

Temperature has nothign to do with losing weight, it has to do witht he energy your using. Big complicated jewls thing. Chemistry wasnt my high-point.

Yeah that study looks like shit if you ask me. Thats why runners can wake up at 4am and run in the fridgid cold and lose weight. Whoever said temp has something to do with it was on acid.

personally i think fat people should be forced to lose weight and in the long run they'd be glad

5'11"...I think that comes out to about 180cm for my European friends...and 160lbs (I don't know the conversion to kilograms or whatever). I'm not really fat, just solidly built with some chub.

What can I say? I like food. :D

personally i think fat people should be forced to lose weight and in the long run they'd be glad
I cant tell if this is sarcasm or idiocy :S

Swimming makes fat convert to muscle, which is about twice the weight of fat...

That's true, but after swimming the same routine for 6 to 12 months, you are not going to continue to build muscle. You are also right about the body fat thing as the best measurement of health. Just look at weight lifters. Heavy and lean.

Cant be that bad.
6'2" 84KG
I just want to get laid again...and to have that, I need NO manboobs, NO convex belly, and some decent looking arms. Right now, I have the opposite of the said qualifications.

As for personality <_< well, it's average at best.

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/Cat3-full.html#11

after swimming the same routine for 6 to 12 months, you are not going to continue to build muscle.
Who the hell is giving out this worng information to people?

The body puts out natural steroids when you work out. You keep wroking out, more muscle gets built. you keep working out and thoes muscles continue to be worked.

In my human incarnation, I'm 5'3" and about 50 KG, which is strange because I eat a lot.

In my Ganiîméa incarnation, I'm 14'11" and 89 KG, which is also pretty thin.

In my feline incarnation, I'm 2' (standing) and weigh 7 KG.

In my apine incarnation, I'm 0.75'' and weigh 20G.

In my bovine incarnation...

~Czardas, Multiple Consciousness-Possessing Ruler of the Universe

My mom thinks I'm fat, but I think I'm about average size. She was a skinny little girl due to her vegetarianism, so she think anorexic/bulimic people are attractive. :rolleyes:

very very unfat at 6-2 and 160 and about 4.5 body fat percent

i lift weights 1.5 - 2 hours a day 5 days a week and am very fit but i have always had an incredible metabolism(im the person who has a six pack without working on it :P)

im 15 too so i probly shouldnt be classified with the adults

in response to a post just above you will hit a plateau if you do the same workout every day for 6 months you have to increase resistance or increase the numbers of reps, the muscle will continue to be worked out but it will become easier for the muscle to do its job so it wont have to grow so you should mix in sprints and long long swims to get the best workouts(for swimming)

For the obese swimmer (sorry, I know that sounds bad), have you tried going to a health club or something and riding the bicycles where you're seated at a normal level? Doing 1 hour a day on those would reeeeeaally help. If you have joint problems because of your weight, it puts you at a low level so straining isn't required. Don't go extreme to do anything about it though. Those little metal suits you can buy can be really dangerous, and diet pills are often very dangerous too.

I have both foot and knee problems due to injuries and arthritis. Sometimes even swimming bothers the knee. Have been following the dietician’s recommendations on diet. This kid doesn't use any gimmicks like metal suits, etc. and absolutely no diet pills either over the counter or Rx. Hey, obese swimmer is the truth so don't apologize, I can deal with who and what I am. :fluffle:

very very unfat at 6-2 and 160 and about 4.5 body fat percent

i lift weights 1.5 - 2 hours a day 5 days a week and am very fit but i have always had an incredible metabolism(im the person who has a six pack without working on it :P)

im 15 too so i probly shouldnt be classified with the adults

You're 15 and 6'2"? Man-child, you are.

5'11" and 165

I have a little fat on my abs and pecs, but I don't consider myself fat. I've played soccer for the past 13 years, so I have a pretty good muscle base in my legs, and that adds a lot of weight. I don't consider myself fat.

lol im almost 16

I am teh skeleton.

lol im almost 16

That's still really tall for 16, man. Ever thought of playing Basketball?

:D

personally i think fat people should be forced to lose weight and in the long run they'd be glad

Yep, I'll be glad when I get it off, but forcing people to loose weight is a little extreme. Some people have medical conditions that cause them to be overweight, others have psychological issues, some are just happy to be who they are, and some of us want to loose weight. I'd like to get down to the weight I was in 1988, and some day I will. :)

I have both foot and knee problems due to injuries and arthritis. Sometimes even swimming bothers the knee. Have been following the dietician’s recommendations on diet. This kid doesn't use any gimmicks like metal suits, etc. and absolutely no diet pills either over the counter or Rx. Hey, obese swimmer is the truth so don't apologize, I can deal with who and what I am. :fluffle:
I applaud your self-respect and willingness to change. I also think it's cool that you aren't using anything that will mess you up like the aforementioned products. For knee pain, you should try taking some cartilage medicine, even though it's extremely hard to build back cartilage. I have knee problems from playing soccer, and equipment like bicycles and elliptical machines are usually the best for this. Stay away from treadmills though. They can whoop on your joints.

Teh Fatnezz Pwns!!!!1111shift!!!11 (That was somewhat deragotory at the N00bs, sorry. :P)

5'11"...I think that comes out to about 180cm for my European friends...and 160lbs (I don't know the conversion to kilograms or whatever). I'm not really fat, just solidly built with some chub.

What can I say? I like food. :D

Divide the lbs by 2.2 and that will give the kg. Quick calculation divide by 2, so you are about 80ish kg.

Yes. At 6' tall and 300 lbs, I'm obese. I'm also working on getting rid of some of that weight through exercise and diet. Unfortunately, the only exercise I can do is swimming and I do that for one hour a day five days a week. I heard a recent study said that swimming will not help with weight loss :(
Try lifting weights.

Hell, don't try it. Do it.

Try lifting weights.

Hell, don't try it. Do it.

What he said.

Who the hell is giving out this worng information to people?

The body puts out natural steroids when you work out. You keep wroking out, more muscle gets built. you keep working out and thoes muscles continue to be worked.

But, if you continue with the same routine (swimming the same way) for over a year shouldn't I start to loose some fat around the gut even if I'm building chest, arm, and leg muscle? Give me some education here please.

My mom thinks I'm fat, but I think I'm about average size. She was a skinny little girl due to her vegetarianism, so she think anorexic/bulimic people are attractive. :rolleyes:

Some people getall the look :rolleyes: I'm as fat as ever after turning veggie....mostly because I live on cereals and pizza, and sit in front of acomputer all day :D I'm 5'8" and between 9st 9lb and 10st 5lb, depending on the day :p (seriously, my bodyweight is all over the place!). And I probably have 500% body fat, considering I never exercise.

Nope, I'm not fat. I'm not a stick, but I have a pretty average weight.

Try lifting weights.

Hell, don't try it. Do it.

wouldnt that just turn the fat into muscle though? I thought the best way to lose wight was to do cardio.

But, if you continue with the same routine (swimming the same way) for over a year shouldn't I start to loose some fat around the gut even if I'm building chest, arm, and leg muscle? Give me some education here please.
Yeah.
And depending on your level of cardio, you'll lose and gain more or less. But as longa s your excersizing your forcing your body to use up glucose so it wont be stored as fat, and you'll even start taking the stored ones out of your fat cells.

Now as your working you'll release steroids wich help you build muscle so you can do more activity.
Isnt the human body genious!

My mom thinks I'm fat, but I think I'm about average size. She was a skinny little girl due to her vegetarianism, so she think anorexic/bulimic people are attractive. :rolleyes:

Oh, brother. :rolleyes: I know exactly how you feel. I have a friends that are really thin and call themselves fat, which causes me to think, if she's fat I must look like an elephant. One friend was disappointed because when we calculated our BMI's in class one day she was a couple decimal points away from being underweight. Just ignore what your mom says, you probably look fine to most people (the ones that aren't super skinny themselves).

6'4" and 80kg, so no but I do have a slightly bulging tummy...

According to BMI things, I am just above underweight. I'd like to have a little extra-muscle mass, but I'd rather be skinny than fat.

On this subject, why the hell do fat women wear tops that show off their disgustingly flabby bellies? They seem to do it more than other women.

6'4" and 117 Kg so a little fat. I actually weigh no more than I did 20 years ago when I had less than 4% body fat. Just now in my 40s the shape has slipped a little.

Celtlund. There is no simple easy answer. There is however only one way to burn off fat. Use more calories than you take in. If you swim every day, but still eat too much it will not help. There are many gimmicks and tips and tricks, but I am sorry to say that the only thing to really get rid of fat is hunger.

I'm one of those "lucky" people that can't gain weight no matter what. It's actually quite unhealthy & messes up your body rhythms something awful. :D

Oh, brother. :rolleyes: I know exactly how you feel. I have a friends that are really thin and call themselves fat, which causes me to think, if she's fat I must look like an elephant. One friend was disappointed because when we calculated our BMI's in class one day she was a couple decimal points away from being underweight. Just ignore what your mom says, you probably look fine to most people (the ones that aren't super skinny themselves).
I know. I can't change my mother's mind. She is who she is. I won't try to change her.

well, a few months ago i was at 138 lbs and 6ft tall (according to the doc i it would have been dangerous to weigh 135). now i'm at 148 and 6 ft tall. what wonders wrestling season makes.

well i got the diet soda and salad. so what if i get the triple burger, XL fries, and got the biggest soda money can buy
figure it out. just eating a salad doesnt help. the only thing diet soda can do is give you cancer. and the burger and fries are still there. eat less+ exercise more=WEIGHT LOSS :headbang: :sniper: :headbang: :sniper:

no..i am definitely not fat.

Its just the veranda above the candy shop.

Swimming makes fat convert to muscle, which is about twice the weight of fat...

Weight is the stupidest measure. It's body fat ratio you need to worry about.

I'm 250 pounds, myself, but because I'm stronger than average, I look thinner than some people I've known who were 230.
A common mistake you've posted there: Nothing converts fat to muscle (or vice versa). They're completely different in their chemical make-up. What happens is that exercise burns the fat off and you build muscle through resistance training and protein intake.
Swimming is probably the best exercise for burning fat, especially if you're very overweight, as there's no stress on your joints. Depending on the routine, you will build some muscle, but no where near as much as resistance training.
Building muscle is an excellent way to lose fat (notice lose fat, not lose weight), as muscle uses energy even when resting, whereas fat doesn't. What puts people off is that their weight doesn't change appreciably when they do weights. However the make-up of your body does. More muscle, less fat.
When exercising, you generally don't start burning fat until around 20 minutes into it. Prior to this you're burning primarily glycogen. It takes a while for your body to kick-start the fat burning. So any fat-loss program needs more than 20 minutes continuous exercise in it. Apparently some studies have shown that you can break this up over the day. So two 20 minute sessions (eg am &pm) are almost as good as one 40 minute session.

Any weight-loss program is going to have great results in the first 3-4 weeks. Unfortunately most of that weight loss is water, not fat. From 4 weeks onward, you lose less weight, but most of that will be fat. That's one of the reasons why most diets fail after about a month - people see the weight loss drop dramatically and get despondent, so give up.
This is also why those Carb-restricted diets (like Atkins) seem to work so well - glycogen need 3 times as much water to when stored. So 1 kilogram of carb will have 3 kg of water stored with it - a loss of 4 kgs of body weight. Deplete your carb stores and you lose a helluva lot of water along with it. But no fat, which is why I personally am against the Aitkins diet. It's just a quick fix that makes you look good for a short time.
Also, nearly all dietary fat is converted into body fat - so increasing your fat intake is just going to increase your body fat. So how does that help you?
You need carbs for two main reasons. One is that your brain only uses glycogen for energy - it can't convert fat into fuel. So restricting your carb intake is going to affect your thinking, literally. That's what 'hitting the wall' is when you've been exercising for too long. Your body has enough fat stored to keep yourself going for 6-8 weeks, but only enough glycogen for a few hours (less than 2 at high intensity exercise). Once you deplete your glycogen stores, your brain has no energy to work and shuts down. Brain shut down = collapsing = bad.
(Of course a banana or glycogen drink will soon fix you up again)
When exercising, your body needs glycogen in the the process of breaking down fat into energy. If you don't have enough glycogen, your body can't convert your fat to energy. It will instead start breaking down protein (i.e. muscle tissue) for energy, as it can do this without glycogen. Another reason why restricting your carbs isn't that good an idea.


As for me, I'm weighing in at 236lbs (107kg) at present - and I'm 6'3" (1.91m). I've gained 8lbs over the last 3 weeks (and can feel and see it round my gut :( ). Though some of this is due to going back on the creatine, which causes water retention. My strength has gone up, which is great - yesterday I legpressed 1040lbs (just!) - a pb. My aim is 1100lb, as that's 500kg (1/2 a tonne, which sounds pretty impressive), eventually getting up to 1170lb, though that's just because that's how much weights (13 45lb plates each side) the legpress machine can hold.
Anyway, the weight gain is still annoying. I joined a dragonboat club a month ago and have been training 3 times a week, 90 minutes a session along with weights 2-3 times a week. And I've gained weight, not lost it! I was hoping to get a sixpack from the dragonboating (finally!), but sadly no. The problem is that dragonboating is highly intensive short races, so it's mostly anaerobic - not the best for burning fat. It has built up my shoulders and back though, so not all bad.

I need to stop the chocolate fix. I keep saying to myself I should try going a month without but never quite manage it. Chocolate is terrible for fat gain. It's a high density food (about 10% water- compare this to most vegetables which are between 80 and 95% water) and usually 50-60% fat. So a 200g bar of chocolate has around 100g of fat in it. Eat 3 of those a week (easy for me) and you gain around 15kg of fat in one year!

This brings me to my last point: To anyone wanting to lose weight, think very long term. Look at the example above. If I cut out chocolate and just ate everything else I normally do, I would lose 15kg of fat in one year. Cut my choc intake down by 1/2 and I'm still losing 7-8kg of fat. Just from making one small change to my diet. Nothing else.

A common mistake you've posted there: Nothing converts fat to muscle (or vice versa). They're completely different in their chemical make-up. What happens is that exercise burns the fat off and you build muscle through resistance training and protein intake.
Your biology teacher was on crack.


When exercising, you generally don't start burning fat until around 20 minutes into it. Prior to this you're burning primarily glycogen. It takes a while for your body to kick-start the fat burning. So any fat-loss program needs more than 20 minutes continuous exercise in it. Apparently some studies have shown that you can break this up over the day. So two 20 minute sessions (eg am &pm) are almost as good as one 40 minute session.
Yeah im pretty sure whoever told you this is on crack.

From 4 weeks onward, you lose less weight, but most of that will be fat.
Deffinatly on crack

That's one of the reasons why most diets fail after about a month - people see the weight loss drop dramatically and get despondent, so give up.
wtf?


Also, nearly all dietary fat is converted into body fat - so increasing your fat intake is just going to increase your body fat.
not necesarily. You can burn that right away, or carbohydrates can be turned into fat if not used up.


When exercising, your body needs glycogen in the the process of breaking down fat into energy. If you don't have enough glycogen, your body can't convert your fat to energy. It will instead start breaking down protein (i.e. muscle tissue) for energy, as it can do this without glycogen. Another reason why restricting your carbs isn't that good an idea.
now this i havent heard about. Whats the biology behind it?


Though some of this is due to going back on the creatine, which causes water retention.
Any drug that fucks with your kidneys is going to fuck your kidneys.

It wouldn't hurt for me to lose a few pounds. I'm 5'7" and 140 pounds.
For non-Americans that's 170 cm and 63.5 kg.
But I'm 40 and considerably less active than I was in my skinnier days.

Your biology teacher was on crack.


Yeah im pretty sure whoever told you this is on crack.


Deffinatly on crack



Not my biology teacher. My professors when I did my post-graduate diploma in exercise physiology.
Where do you get your information from?

Not really fat, but I do have a beer gut. Not BAD, but noticable. I've gotten back into working out and will be taking Krav Maga when I get to DC, so I'm sure I'll be back to "stout and muscular" soon. :)

BTW: 5' 10" and about 175-180 lbs at the moment.

not necesarily. You can burn that right away, or carbohydrates can be turned into fat if not used up.
It 'costs' the body about 3% of the energy from dietary fat to convert it to body fat. As your body likes being as efficient as possible, this is pretty much what it does. You can't burn dietary fat right away. It needs to be broken down and converted to body fat first. Unless you're recommending eating a big fatty meal then exercising, but Ithink you'll find most experts won't share your recommendations.
Only excess carbs (once all your glycogen stores are filled) are turned into fat, and the 'cost' of this is around 25-30% of the energy from the carb. Which means your body only does this when it's stores are filled, not before.

Also:
1 gm of fat = 9 calories
1 gm of Carb = 4 calories

For simplicity's sake:
So 100 gm of dietary fat = 873 calories worth of body fat = 97 grams of bodyfat;
100 gm of excess carb = 280 calories worth of body fat = 31 grams of body fat.

All-in-all, carbs are going to cause far less body fat than dietary fat.

I'm not fat, but I'm not happy with my appearance either. I skipped the Freshman Fifteen and lost 15 lbs instead, but then this last year, I invented the Sophomore Fifteen, lol. So now I've started a regular exercise program and have changed my diet. Gotta get ready for the beach in a month and a half!

It wouldn't hurt for me to lose a few pounds. I'm 5'7" and 140 pounds.
For non-Americans that's 170 cm and 63.5 kg.
But I'm 40 and considerably less active than I was in my skinnier days.
One thing I find hilarious here is the adverts they have on the bus TVs (yes they have TVs on the public buses, mostly showing adverts but also BBC docus cut into 5 minute pieces and old Pink Panther cartoons, of all things).
Whoops, got a bit side-tracked. Anyway, the adverts on these TVs have lots of weight-loss programs. They're really vicious in their approach. In one, they pull up a woman's top and grab her rolls of fat around her gut while the interviewer looks disgusted. What's tragic about this is it's just after she gave birth (they show pics of her pregnancy and new-born child), so of course there'll be lots of rolls, but that's immaterial to the horror of showing her bloated sow-like body on TV.
In another they show a woman getting on a scale and intersperse this with a picture of an elephant with computer-altered fat legs. Her weight? A disgustingly obscene 60.1 kg.
Apparently that's viewed as revoltingly obese here.
Yes, there does appear to be a bit of a distorted body image problem here.

I'm 172cm and 68kg, or about 5' 8" and 150lbs, and that seems to be pretty ideal. I used to be a bit overweight, but in just a few months I lost over 20 pounds without even noticing. I've eaten in a pretty unhealthly manner and almost never exercise or do anything physical, so that weight loss is still a bit of mystery to me. But hey, I ain't complaining.

personally i think fat people should be forced to lose weight and in the long run they'd be glad
I wish somebody would send me to a fat farm,i could certainly benefit from it.I have what is considered a heavy build,at 5'9 and 225lb and am 65lb and 10 years from running long distance races believe it or not. I have dropped 20 lbs since adapting a vegetarian diet in the the new year,consequently the only new years resolution ever kept so far.My blood pressure is down and am starting to feel like running again. Now if i could only learn how to say no to Ben& Jerrys and Haagen Dazz!!

I've been mostly off training for a while, so I've been putting on some extra fat on the stomach and on my legs (that's just where I seem to get it). I can still see the ol' six pack if I flex right, but it's getting sad. Which is part of the reason I've started training again.

Demented Hamsters seems to have covered most of the thoughts I came up with reading this thread, so I won't repeat them. A thought on swimming, though: the fact that swimming "doesn't get rid of fat" should probably be taken in context. If you look at top level swimmers, they're not very cut or muscular for an elite athlete. At that kind of level, swimming will give you a fit, but relatively un-defined physique (again, relatively). If you're seriously overweight, pretty much any physical activity is going to do you a world of good, and help drop some pounds. I really don't know if swimming is the absolute optimal excersise for that, but it's not bad, and it is very low-impact. Plus, it's a whole-body activity, which is a huge plus if you want overall, general fitness.

My one other quick thought is to be careful about training supplements and the like--I know for a fact you can get as lean and fit as you want with just a solid, healthy diet and proper excersise; anything else should be used with full understanding of it's effects--intended or otherwise--and with a specific plan.

Well, like I say to my friends, whats the point of getting a six-pack when you can have a slab?

I'm 6'3 90kgs. So, at the bigger side, but not that bad. I don't eat that badly really. I eat mostly healthy stuff - rather balanced, not too much junk. And I exercise a bit, probably not as much as I should. At the end of the year I plan to get myself fit. It's just hard when I have school.

My BMI is still within limits so I'm alright. Just need to be a little more proactive.

Temperature has nothign to do with losing weight, it has to do witht he energy your using. Big complicated jewls thing. Chemistry wasnt my high-point.

Yeah that study looks like shit if you ask me. Thats why runners can wake up at 4am and run in the fridgid cold and lose weight. Whoever said temp has something to do with it was on acid.

ur right about taht stuff mostly except it is joules

lol someone was talking about people being on crack and how burning fat is biology! i was laughing my butt off that he didnt even know what CHEMISTRY is and he was saying everyone is on crack (and the stuff he was saying was wrong was almost all right)

Not my biology teacher. My professors when I did my post-graduate diploma in exercise physiology.
Where do you get your information from?
apparnetly a source more reliable than yours.
Muscle just doesnt come out of no-where, and fat just doesnt disapear. it gets convered. Whoever this professor was should be fired.

It 'costs' the body about 3% of the energy from dietary fat to convert it to body fat. As your body likes being as efficient as possible, this is pretty much what it does. You can't burn dietary fat right away. It needs to be broken down and converted to body fat first. Unless you're recommending eating a big fatty meal then exercising, but Ithink you'll find most experts won't share your recommendations.
Only excess carbs (once all your glycogen stores are filled) are turned into fat, and the 'cost' of this is around 25-30% of the energy from the carb. Which means your body only does this when it's stores are filled, not before.

Also:
1 gm of fat = 9 calories
1 gm of Carb = 4 calories

For simplicity's sake:
So 100 gm of dietary fat = 873 calories worth of body fat = 97 grams of bodyfat;
100 gm of excess carb = 280 calories worth of body fat = 31 grams of body fat.

All-in-all, carbs are going to cause far less body fat than dietary fat.


yes this is all good, but the arbatrary number of "you have ot wait 20min until this starts to work" is bullshit.
I repete: whoever told you this is on crack.

ur right about taht stuff mostly except it is joules
haha language isnt my high-point either.

5'11", 70-something Kgs. A little bit fat, but certainly not obese. And damn sexy!

5'10'' and 70 kilos. Because I hate being consist with regard to units of measurement.

I've got a little paunch. Not much, just enough that I can drum on my abdomen and it makes a cool sound.

Side note: a food Calorie is in fact equal to a kilocalorie in chemistry. A gram of fat is in fact 9,000 calories. The renaming of kilocalories to Calories is actually a conspiracy by the food industry. Companies like McDonalds don't want you to know that there are 750,000 calories in a Big Mac, so they tell you it has 750 Calories. Note the capitalization.

This point isn't particularly important, however, since most workout machines measure Calories burned instead of calories burned. Again, note the capitalization.