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do you believe in god? :confused:
YES:why do you?
NO:why dont you? :)

Or maybe you just don't know.

I think he/she is well aware of the agnostic perspective.

Or maybe you just don't give a shit.

Or maybe you just don't know.

Oh, but God wants you to think in black-and-white absolutes! :p

Or maybe you just don't give a shit.

Yeah, apathy is fun .

Oh, but God wants you to think in black-and-white absolutes! :p
I had the suspicion that God was colorblind.

Or maybe you just don't give a shit.

That's the one.

I had the suspicion that God was colorblind.

That's a nice thought. Maybe somebody should tell the Church.

Yes, and it's none of your damned business why.

no

all the stories about god are absurd so i cant figure out just what i would believe in if i believed anything.

Yes, and it's none of your damned business why.

Why?

Yes, because I feel that he does exist.

Why?

*kicks in genitals*

*kicks in genitals*

Mmmm ... squishing ...

I do believe in "God". Although God means alot of things. It basically a belief in a higher authority then yourself. Alot of things fit into what "God" is. I would bet that before a person dies. 99% of all human beings believe in a higher authority. Its no coincedence that the majority of older adults are the most believing. Its only human nature.

*kicks in genitals*

Is it related to genitalia?

I do believe in "God". Although God means alot of things. It basically a belief in a higher authority then yourself. Alot of things fit into what "God" is. I would bet that before a person dies. 99% of all human beings believe in a higher authority. Its no coincedence that the majority of older adults are the most believing. Its only human nature.

I actually believe god as a lower authority. He worships me.

I do believe in "God". Although God means alot of things. It basically a belief in a higher authority then yourself. Alot of things fit into what "God" is. I would bet that before a person dies. 99% of all human beings believe in a higher authority. Its no coincedence that the majority of older adults are the most believing. Its only human nature.

Yeah. Which leads me to wonder, *if* there is a God, would he prefer me to be neutral and keep an independent but open frame of mind, or worship him out of my own selfish interest, because I want a good seat in heaven?

I believe the former, and that's why i'm agnostic.

I actually believe god as a lower authority. He worships me.
I worship you. Therefore I am god.

(¡Yay! for fallacies)

Is it related to genitalia?

I just realized that there's "Italia" in "Genitalia"... and I have no idea what this has to do with this thread.

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

I just realized that there's "Italia" in "Genitalia"... and I have no idea what this has to do with this thread.

Shhh ... there is no secret pan-italian league, planning to seize control of the country ...

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

And any god worth his/her salt will know that his reason for his faith are suspect, and will boot his ass to hell, if he/she exists.

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

No offense intented, but that's called irrationality.

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

'mmm, but like I said, is worship out of self-interest something that God would approve of? Would he view it any more favourably than actively denying his existance?

And any god worth his/her salt will know that his reason for his faith are suspect, and will boot his ass to hell, if he/she exists.
Heh, that's what I said.

And any god worth his/her salt will know that his reason for his faith are suspect, and will boot his ass to hell, if he/she exists.

Ah, exactly my point. I was too slow :p

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

Whatever he's smoking... where do I get it? Maybe in Gen-Italia? *bangs head against wall*

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.
So he took Pascal's Wager, it isn't a win-win situation. You could be spending your life worshipping a being that may not exist.

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:
Flamer....

So he took Pascal's Wager, it isn't a win-win situation. You could be spending your life worshipping a being that may not exist.

Yar! (http://www.jhuger.com/pascal.php)

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, don't say anything. Just go away.

Whatever he's smoking... where do I get it? Maybe in Gen-Italia? *bangs head against wall*

Precisely ... to my despair also, someone previously create Gen-italia. Not that it would have lasted long from the wrath of mod out in the open ...

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:
Erm.. right.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, don't say anything. Just go away.

Ok you Aussie pansy...

Yar! (http://www.jhuger.com/pascal.php)
I love it!

So he took Pascal's Wager, it isn't a win-win situation. You could be spending your life worshipping a being that may not exist.

You're really agnostic if you in that situation anyway, with makes it a bit erroneous.

Because obviously, if to you god doesn't exist, your not really taking chance, it's only when you're not sure if God exists, and are religious.

Erm.. right.
No, left.

Ok you Aussie pansy...

I'm somehow pretty sure that, in a 1 vs 1, I'd own that guy's ass. Most likely he'd hide behind a gun though... so much for pansy.

I do believe in "God". Although God means alot of things. It basically a belief in a higher authority then yourself. Alot of things fit into what "God" is. I would bet that before a person dies. 99% of all human beings believe in a higher authority. Its no coincedence that the majority of older adults are the most believing. Its only human nature.

So - what you are saying is: the older you get... the more you fear death, and thus, the more you really hope there is something 'out there' to act as a buffer against the knowledge of oblivion?

You're really agnostic if you in that situation anyway, with makes it a bit erroneous.

Because obviously, if to you god doesn't exist, your not really taking chance, it's only when you're not sure if God exists, and are religious.
Still its a gamble and I see your point. Atheists don't believe and the religious do so obviously they're not unsure.

Still its a gamble and I see your point. Atheists don't believe and the religious do so obviously they're not unsure.
Well let's just continue with the analogy-that-doesn't-fit-the-situation-and gives-false-ideas.

For atheists (from a perspective), the coin has already landed. So which do you choose? The side that's down or the side that's up?

There aren't two options, you've already made your choice.

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:

Hey! I'm a retarded pussy liberal dipshit! That means I'm in the majority, and the RPLD's who actually DO get pissed off by these things could kick your ass.
:rolleyes:

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:
I already gave you a polite and pleasant unofficial warning, over in Commando7's thread. Guess you didn't take the hint.

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You don't get two of these, chief. Clean up your act or say bye-bye.

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Hey! I'm a retarded pussy liberal dipshit! That means I'm in the majority, and the RPLD's who actually DO get pissed off by these things could kick your ass.
:rolleyes:

Perhaps a majority on these boards but not in the world. Most people believe in a god (note I used lower case god instead of God to be ambiguous about the exact religion in question).

So fuck you and your liberal friends...

Furthermore, if you don;t believe in God, then surely you don't believe in heaven and hell, eh?

YES:why do you?


Because, frankly, there's way too much clear evidence not to believe.

Nice thing is ... you don't need faith when you have proof.

However, I'm most likely insane. I will leave that to history's judgement.

Perhaps a majority on these boards but not in the world. Most people believe in a god (note I used lower case god instead of God to be ambiguous about the exact religion in question).

So fuck you and your liberal friends...
So ... we like to read the post before our own ... and also believe heavily in a discredited utilitarianism/

So fuck you and your liberal friends...

And, yet, while I am one of the most liberal/leftist people on this forum, I am also one of the most religious/devoted to the god of Abraham.

Kinda throws a bit of a grey area in your master design, eh?

Sorry about that.

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:
Not a big fan of your fellow Americans are ya there mate?

I for one really don't get mixed up in the religion, stuff I hate sitting around listening to people read from the bible/torah/ whatever for 4 hours. Not my bag baby.

I for one really don't get mixed up in the religion, stuff I hate sitting around listening to people read from the bible/torah/ whatever for 4 hours. Not my bag baby.

Heh ... well then you'd really hate Yom Kippur ...

Heh ... well then you'd really hate Yom Kippur ...
My mom is Jewish so we celebrate the occasion but we don't go to the synogauge (sp) and listen to the rabbi. My dad is chrisian so we also celebrate those holidays and you can see as to why my family doesn't go to church or synogauge (sp) and I'm not very religious.

My mom is Jewish so we celebrate the occasion but we don't go to the synogauge (sp) and listen to the rabbi. My dad is chrisian so we also celebrate those holidays and you can see as to why my family doesn't go to church or synogauge (sp) and I'm not very religious.

Hey that's cool. I'm from a mixed marriage as well. :) (Jewish mother, Native American father)

I turned out Muslim. :D

Hey that's cool. I'm from a mixed marriage as well. :) (Jewish mother, Native American father)

I turned out Muslim. :D
Cool

Perhaps a majority on these boards but not in the world. Most people believe in a god (note I used lower case god instead of God to be ambiguous about the exact religion in question).

So fuck you and your liberal friends...

Actually, I do believe in a god. I was born & raised Christian.

It's not that simple. You're excluding polytheistic beliefs. I personally don't believe in a singular omnipotent being,but I DO believe in a number of deities, the Christian one not being one of them.

I had the suspicion that God was colorblind.
All that wasted effort on teh stained-glass windows....darn.

Most gods have the mannerrs of spoiled children. I forget who said that.
The Christian god just doesn't seem like a very nice person. If I'm going to worship something, it should actually act like a superior being.

And, yet, while I am one of the most liberal/leftist people on this forum, I am also one of the most religious/devoted to the god of Abraham.

Kinda throws a bit of a grey area in your master design, eh?

Sorry about that.
Not to mention, the coolest guy on this forum.

do you believe in god? :confused:
YES:why do you?
NO:why dont you? :)
No, because I dont see any posibility in it.

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.

Which god?

What if you beleive in many Gods?

What version?

Its time everyone upgrade their God to the latest XP 24 SP2.12.666 version.

Which god?
The God of Abraham

Yes, because it pisses off retarded pussy liberal dipshits like most people on these boards! :sniper:
Gee, god must really love you for that. Are you aware that a lot of liberal dipshits are religious?
Any diety worth worshipping is going to care more about the way you treat your fellow beings than whether you believed in it or not. I have no interest in an afterlife with a being so egocentric that your afterlife depends on if you worshipped it.

What version?

Its time everyone upgrade their God to the latest XP 24 SP2.12.666 version.
I don't like the sound of that.

Not to mention, the coolest guy on this forum.

Ah, you're far too kind. :)

You're not a very open-minded person, are you? Are you reffering to a specific "god" or just any diety? I do believe in higher powers, but not ONE all-powerful power, and certainly not the one stated in the bible.


Why? Because that's what makes sense to me.

Ok you Aussie pansy...

:fluffle:

Nope.

There is no God.

And I'm pretty suspicious about this Easter Bunny business as well.

:fluffle:

Bloody hell, if you're a pansy, we'll have to kick you out of Aus. Or at least send you up to Sydney.

do you believe in god? :confused:
YES:why do you?
NO:why dont you? :)

I believe in the possibility of its existence. I do not believe I should worship it however.

"Most gods have the mannerrs of spoiled children. I forget who said that.
The Christian god just doesn't seem like a very nice person. If I'm going to worship something, it should actually act like a superior being. "

So, you want to worship a god who does everthing the way you think it should be done? I don't really want a god who is limited by human thought.

So, you want to worship a god who does everthing the way you think it should be done? I don't really want a god who is limited by human thought.

But you do want one that has your best interests at heart. So some proof of that other then him saying he does while massacring thousands with floods and tsunamis would be nice.

Aside: we are humans. Why on earth should we not follow something that thinks human too ? Are we cattle ?

No, it doesn't seem logical or rational to me.

"But you do want one that has your best interests at heart."

for me, he proved that with the cross. and therefore, I will assume that things that don't make sense to me have a purpose I don't know about.
As for the human-like god, I would be a bit wary of him since he has flaws and weaknesses like me. I may follow human leaders for a time, but I won't worship anything but God.

Main Entry: 1god
Pronunciation: 'gäd also 'god
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler

I go for the primary definition.

Some people might resort to writing EVERYTHING IN CAPS!

"But you do want one that has your best interests at heart."

for me, he proved that with the cross. and therefore, I will assume that things that don't make sense to me have a purpose I don't know about.
As for the human-like god, I would be a bit wary of him since he has flaws and weaknesses like me. I may follow human leaders for a time, but I won't worship anything but God.

Main Entry: 1god
Pronunciation: 'gäd also 'god
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler

I go for the primary definition.

But the Easter bunny proves it each year with chocolate and marshmallow chicks!

easter bunny

n : a rabbit that delivers Easter eggs [syn: Easter bunny]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

I go for the primary definition too.

(Did you really think the dictionary helped you?)

Bloody hell, if you're a pansy, we'll have to kick you out of Aus. Or at least send you up to Sydney.
You can try ;)

No.

The concept of God is absurd, and organized religion is behaviour modification.

I'll pass, thanks.

You can try ;)

Bugger, called my bluff.

"(Did you really think the dictionary helped you?)"
helped me do what?

And by the way, the dictionary was just for reference.
Oh, yes and the easter bunny bit was hilarious. do you see me laughing. I'm laughing. :rolleyes: As if I haven't had my beleifs compared to the absurdity of the easter bunny a few hundred times already.

"(Did you really think the dictionary helped you?)"
helped me do what?

And by the way, the dictionary was just for reference.
Oh, yes and the easter bunny bit was hilarious. do you see me laughing. I'm laughing. :rolleyes: As if I haven't had my beleifs compared to the absurdity of the easter bunny a few hundred times already.


The Easter Bunny has left me tangilble proof in the form of tasty chocolates.
The Tooth Fairy has left me tangilble proof of her existance by leaving me spendable currency under my pillow.

God has yet to perform as admirably.

God left you with the universe. but everyone knows chocolate and currency is much more complex than the universe, so you figured it just made itself.

God left you with the universe. but everyone knows chocolate and currency is much more complex than the universe, so you figured it just made itself.


The key is tangible proof.

There is no tangible proof that god exists, therefore I have to nothing to proove that he made the universe.

But the chocolate was real.

Easter Bunny :1

God: 0.

so you don't think the universe is real or tangible?

so you don't think the universe is real or tangible?


Of course it is, but there is nothing to prove a link with God to assign responsibilty of its creation.
There simply is no tangible proof that god created it.

and you have something linking the easter bunny with chocolate or the tooth fairy with money?

and you have something linking the easter bunny with chocolate or the tooth fairy with money?


Indeed!

See, every Easter, as a child, we went searching throughout the house, to find colorful baskets, stuffed with chocolates and goodies and such, that the Easter Bunny left for us, in the night.

Found them everytime.

This occured until I was about 12.

Easter Bunny:12
God: 0.

Here's the problem.

"The universe just started existing by itself" Ridiculous. But then wouldn't God existing by himself be just as ridiculous? well, no because I ascibe to my God the property of Ominopotence. Do you say the universe is all-powerfull? If you do guess what. The universe is your God. That's what God is. an all-powefull entity.

Here's the problem.

"The universe just started existing by itself" Ridiculous. But then wouldn't God existing by himself be just as ridiculous? well, no because I ascibe to my God the property of Ominopotence. Do you say the universe is all-powerfull? If you do guess what. The universe is your God. That's what God is. an all-powefull entity.


I dont say the universe is all powerful.

Just infinite.

It has no beginning, or and end.

Therefore, it has no need for a creator.

And you know that it was the easter bunny who left them. That is the problem. what you said a while back is that the easter bunny was actually more reasonable to beleive in then God. But do you have any more proof for the easter bunny then God? I could say, " well, ever since I was a little child then universe was there so God must have made it" Actually the universe is more proof for God then chocolate is for the easter bunny because the universe is unquestionable more complex than chocolate. So it is more likly that a piece of chocolate just existed by itself than that the universe did.

why does infinity circumvent the need for a creator?

If you mean infinite in size that does not circumvent the need for a creator. if you mean infinite in time, then time is your God. wherever you stop explaining, that thing is the equivelent of your God. when I said God was whatever is infinitly powerfull that was actually too narrow. I posted before that God is defined as the "supreme entity" correctly translated that would mean the ultimate or final existence or being"

why does infinity circumvent the need for a creator?

Infinity doesn't circumvent the need for a creator.

Existence doesn't need a creator... it's just that simple.

Why do feel a creator is necessary?

Here's the problem.

"The universe just started existing by itself" Ridiculous. But then wouldn't God existing by himself be just as ridiculous? well, no because I ascibe to my God the property of Ominopotence. Do you say the universe is all-powerfull? If you do guess what. The universe is your God. That's what God is. an all-powefull entity.

Why is the universe starting spontaneously any more ridiculous than the concept that there just happened to be a lifeform that doesn't require a universe to live in?

You can't make an accurate decision either way - we don't have all of the facts, and most likely never will. It doesn't matter how likely it is - if it happened, it's 100% likely. I see the point in arguing inherent flaws in each other's logic, but arguing that any view is 'rediculous' or more or less likely is stupid.

"But you do want one that has your best interests at heart."

for me, he proved that with the cross. and therefore, I will assume that things that don't make sense to me have a purpose I don't know about.

How did the cross proof anything ? He let his only child be tortured till death and then*claimed* that was for a noble reason, but how do you know he was not lying and just enjoyed watching Jesus squirm in agony ? All the cross showed was that *Jesus* was a noble person - assuming the account of his death is correct (which already is assuming a lot).

As for the human-like god, I would be a bit wary of him since he has flaws and weaknesses like me. I may follow human leaders for a time, but I won't worship anything but God.

But why worship at all ? On our own, humanity might succeed or fail. But at least it would be *our* victory or failure. Some advice from a wise and succesful supreme being, like God, would definately be welcomed - but accepting advice is not the same as obeying blindly.

you either DO or you DON'T

Nope, I'm agnostic. ;)

I for one really don't get mixed up in the religion, stuff I hate sitting around listening to people read from the bible/torah/ whatever for 4 hours. Not my bag baby.

I'm not a Christian, but I've still read many pages of the Bible. If I get hold of a Koran, I might check some of it out, as well. The books don't have value just for those who believe in the religions attached. They also have some historical value, and would let you understand their religions and followers better.

Edit: Misread slightly, there.
I don't like going to church, either. :p

Yes, but I don't believe in a set of rules telling me how I should live my life.

Or maybe you just don't know.

And if that state of affairs should persist for more than a very short time I for one would be concerned for my mental state. After all, it's one thing not to know if God exists and an entirely different thing not to know the content of your own thoughts on the matter.

The question was of the latter.

Nope, I'm agnostic.

See above. Agnosticism is not a third alternative distinct from either believing or not believing. That is a binary state of affairs.

And you know that it was the easter bunny who left them. That is the problem. what you said a while back is that the easter bunny was actually more reasonable to beleive in then God. But do you have any more proof for the easter bunny then God? I could say, " well, ever since I was a little child then universe was there so God must have made it" Actually the universe is more proof for God then chocolate is for the easter bunny because the universe is unquestionable more complex than chocolate. So it is more likly that a piece of chocolate just existed by itself than that the universe did.

Nicely done.

You just proved there is almost as much evidence of God as there is of the Easter Bunny.

Care to prove God is as real as the Tooth Fairy next?

I don't have a problem with you having faith, but quit trying to pass it off as "based on the evidence" or the "logical conclusion." It ain't. It is faith.

Do you believe in God?
Not the bible god.However, as the naturists and spiritists might say, god is the table of elememts and the table of elements is god.

Why?/Why not?
The bible/torah was not written as proof of god's existence, nor is it accurate in the storytelling from a pure historical perspective.This strikes out Islam, Judaism, Christianity and B'hai.Most other religions don't demand literal interpretations.

A friend of mine believes in God only because he'd rather be wrong in believing in God when he dies then be wrong in NOT believing in God.
If that's the case then he doesn't really believe in God.