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Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????

...no.

Could be you focusing all your bad karma on the situation because you feel bad about it.

God can't punish you for kissing a guy, unless you're a guy, and I'm not even sure about that one.

...no.

What she said...

There is no god and therefore he can't puncish you. And besides, its against all the bibles propagANDA for god the goodie goodie to punichs people for kissing. And also, if you haven't been kidnapped, beaten unconscious repetatedly, not everything possible that could have gone wrong has.

god doesnt exist, its just a coincidence

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????

God's an asswipe; despite popular myth, he or she just causes suffering for the hell of it because eternity gets boring. I had the great fortune of getting a mental disability at birth, so what can I say? God will be God.

There is no god and therefore he can't PUNCISHyou. And besides, its against all the bibles propagANDA for god the goodie goodie to PUNICHS people for kissing. And also, if you haven't been kidnapped, beaten unconscious repetatedly, not everything possible that could have gone wrong has.

Whoa, I cannot spell today.

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.

god doesnt exist, its just a coincidence

What he said.

No I don't think its possible for God to punish you for showing emotions to others (while your still single obviously).

I kissed a girl twice about two months ago, first time I've ever kissed also, but nothing bad happened to me. So I think its probably a coincidence/paranoia.

You basically threw out the concept of the sanctity of marriage. Of God's will! You said, God doesn't matter anymore, kissing is everything. So yes, it's probably God, punishing yes, but hoping you'll repent.

Repent in the name of Christ.

Ah, don't worry. In the Old Testament people used to kiss as a greeting, you aint gonna get punished.

Congratulations anyway. I'm fifteen and still haven't had mine. Pretty poor (from a man's point of view). You know one of einsteins greatest quotes was: "I can't believe that God plays dice", refering to the unpredictability of quantum mechanics. For some reason I find a lot of comfort in knowing that whatever happens to me is not because of God, but because a thousand random events had to occur at just the right time in order for me to win/lose whatever. I'm not sure if that helps.

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????


Did you ever consider bad luck?

god will not punish you for kissing. Anyone who says otherwise is either a social outcast who wants to make everyone as depressed as themselves, or an oppressive lunatic parent who cannot accept their children are not dolls that can be completely controlled.

Sanctity of mmarriage? That refers to Sex and you know it. ^_^

Whoa, I cannot spell today.

lol.

...ahem, getting back on topic now...

No, God does not punish for kissing. At least not to my knowledge. I would, however, be selective as to who I would kiss - you don't want to throw affection like that around too much - makes it more genuine and a more important expression of feelings.

This is most likely a coincidence.

Did you ever consider bad luck?

What he said.

(Sorry, but really, they *are* doing the work for me!)

I thought metaphysical explanations were for the physically inexplicable ...

Random chance, my dear Amorado, random chance.

Or perhaps an ineluctable result of previous occurences.

I'm 16... well just turned 16 in april. I totally respect guys who haven't gone all the way by age 15. So don't worry about not having kissed a girl by now.

... As for the whole repentance thing... I have repented... but in the past week more bad stuff has happened to me than i've ever had in a week. =( I really have no experience with relationships... so I have nothing to base it on ... but after i started dating my first bf... bad stuff started happening.

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.

Thats really kinda sweet. Silly, but sweet.

I guess (and we will assume for the purposes of this thread that God exists) that God knows how you feel about all that kinda shit and that you haven't done anything wrong, he's really not gonna care- shit, if you think about all the bad stuff that people do in this world, God would have to be one uptight mo-fo to get pissed about you kissing some-one, especially when you are so clearly religious.

so nope, tis just coincidence

I'm 16... well just turned 16 in april. I totally respect guys who haven't gone all the way by age 15. So don't worry about not having kissed a girl by now.

... As for the whole repentance thing... I have repented... but in the past week more bad stuff has happened to me than i've ever had in a week. =( I really have no experience with relationships... so I have nothing to base it on ... but after i started dating my first bf... bad stuff started happening.

Is there any chance at all that I could have an example of 'bad stuff'?

Sanctity of mmarriage? That refers to Sex and you know it. ^_^

What are you, some kind of lawyer of God's will? Marriage is a sacred vow between a man, woman, and God. That's not just a written promise not to fuck other people. It's an idea, a kind of purity, and that idea was in the thread starter's head and heart... until recently. Now it's being thrown out, dismissed, and for sexual related things. It's a dishonesty of self, and the poster made the thread because of that, not because of some specific legal text being broken. God is personal, not political, and if you feel guilty for knowingly tarnishing marriage, then, who is anyone else to say, "Oh don't worry, God doesn't mind at all, it's OK." You speak for God? Do I? God speaks only to each of us individually. Remember that!

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.

Save the rest and it'll be fine.....

Well... it's always been assumed that I'd get drum major for marching band... tryouts were last Wednesday and I didn't... i tried my best but didn't get it. I was okay with that i guess. My director bought two new instruments for our band they came in Thursday... and my latch broke. My director is gonna kill me when he finds out. My best friend and I got into a fight. My lap top broke... My ex started talking to me again about a relationship (that may not seem bad... but believe me it is)...

those are a few examples...

What are you, some kind of lawyer of God's will? Marriage is a sacred vow between a man, woman, and God. <snip>
or a man and a man or woman and a woman

Sort of off the topic, What was it you liked about it? The spontinaety (sp?) or the fact that it was a kiss?

or a man and a man or woman and a woman

Yeah, if you just forget that homosexual love is a sin and abomination of what Marriage is! Hooray for denial!

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.
Don't ask yourself is it ok to kiss someone. Ask yourself WHY do you feel like that... If you're a Christian than start a deep prayer. Ask your priest or pastor about what is it if you don't know. Or read something on the net. Just type "meditation" for example.

Relax and know yourself. Goodluck and enjoy!

well... like i said i'd never been kissed before. i told the guy that but i dont think he fully understood... cuz he french kissed me. first time ...and he french kissed me!

Well... it's always been assumed that I'd get drum major for marching band... tryouts were last Wednesday and I didn't... i tried my best but didn't get it. I was okay with that i guess. My director bought two new instruments for our band they came in Thursday... and my latch broke. My director is gonna kill me when he finds out. My best friend and I got into a fight. My lap top broke... My ex started talking to me again about a relationship (that may not seem bad... but believe me it is)...

those are a few examples...

sounds like an avergae teenage life.

If you tried your best, that's all that matters. There are (sadly) always people better than us.

Be honest about the latch, accidents happen.

Lap tops can often be fixed on insurance, if it was 'accidental'.

Tell you ex you are not interested.

Well... it's always been assumed that I'd get drum major for marching band... tryouts were last Wednesday and I didn't... i tried my best but didn't get it. I was okay with that i guess. My director bought two new instruments for our band they came in Thursday... and my latch broke. My director is gonna kill me when he finds out. My best friend and I got into a fight. My lap top broke... My ex started talking to me again about a relationship (that may not seem bad... but believe me it is)...

those are a few examples...
urr that doesnt sound like the wrath of god to me, just sounds like a slightly subpar week.

If you beleive in god, you know that he is loving, forgiving and understanding. There is nothing worng with kissing a boy as long as it is a kiss based on love. God undertands, forgives, accepts and loves all the products of a loving relationship between two of his children.

PS-I wouldnt advise getting married to someone without having at least one go in the sac to make sure they work and stuff.

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????

there is no god in all probability, and if there were I'm sure as a higher being he really couldn't give a toss and frankly he'd be a rather sad diety if he was.

Yeah, if you just forget that homosexual love is a sin and abomination of what Marriage is! Hooray for denial!
not denial at all, im quite aware that the bible is promotes intolerance but surprisingly i dont fall victim to religion, besides if you read the bible it says that homosexual sex, not love, is a sin

Keep kissing this guy and god might make your school open forever ;)

Well... it's always been assumed that I'd get drum major for marching band... tryouts were last Wednesday and I didn't... i tried my best but didn't get it. I was okay with that i guess. My director bought two new instruments for our band they came in Thursday... and my latch broke. My director is gonna kill me when he finds out. My best friend and I got into a fight. My lap top broke... My ex started talking to me again about a relationship (that may not seem bad... but believe me it is)...

those are a few examples...

Doctor Lasania says:
the laptop thing, bad luck. Likewise the latch. (Sounds like director is an arse)

I'm guessing that you have been feeling pretty edgy since you think that God is persecuting you, which might explain why you didn't do as well as you might have in the try-outs;

emotions running high...easy to get into fights and stuff...
maybe your ex heard about the kissing thing and is jealous, or maybe you're just really great and everybody likes you

:)

Yeah, if you just forget that homosexual love is a sin and abomination of what Marriage is! Hooray for denial!

hooray for bigotry and homophobia!!

Well... it's always been assumed that I'd get drum major for marching band... tryouts were last Wednesday and I didn't... i tried my best but didn't get it. I was okay with that i guess. My director bought two new instruments for our band they came in Thursday... and my latch broke. My director is gonna kill me when he finds out. My best friend and I got into a fight. My lap top broke... My ex started talking to me again about a relationship (that may not seem bad... but believe me it is)...

those are a few examples...

Ah, I see. I'm not entirely sure God punishes people until after they have died. I've just finished reading the first five books of the Old Testament and there are some really strange things in there. EG, you and your bed sheets are unclean until evening if you release semen. I don't seem to recall anything about a punishment or uncleanliness for enjoying a kiss though.

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.

you wanted to save your first kiss til you got married? what kind of cult do you belong to?

its one thing to decide to save sex for marriage. not wise really but certainly a valid choice. but it makes no sense to want to save all physical contact until marriage. thats a great way to end up married to a closeted gay man or someone with a huge sexual dysfunction.

its kissing. enjoy it. kiss many boys before you decide on "the one". if you expect to save sex for marriage you need to learn to deal with temptation. you cant wait until you get hit with a wave of lust so huge that you get swept into going too far.

and remember that just because you kissed this guy doesnt mean you have to kiss every boy who wants to. keep up reasonable standards of conduct. "god" wants you to have self respect, to make good choices, and to end up married to a good man. he is not punishing you for having fun.

I guess my problem is is that i want a fairy tale romance. I've been hurt by 3 guys.. and I'm afraid of being hurt again. The guy that kiissed me hasn't offered a relationship... so I guess right now it's just "friends with benifts" which.. rather cheapons what we did (atleast to me) Id always decided that i only wanted to kiss the guy that God had for me... and i didn't wait. the guy asked me if i had been kissed and then he asked if he could kiiss me... ad i don't remember if i actually voiced yes allowed... but it's atleast what i was thinking. =( I wsn't even supposed to be at prom tht night. I KNEW something was going to happen--god tried to telll me ... but i didn't listen. =(

well... like i said i'd never been kissed before. i told the guy that but i dont think he fully understood... cuz he french kissed me. first time ...and he french kissed me!

Is that a bad thing?

If you beleive in god, you know that he is loving, forgiving and understanding. There is nothing worng with kissing a boy as long as it is a kiss based on love. God undertands, forgives, accepts and loves all the products of a loving relationship between two of his children.

PS-I wouldnt advise getting married to someone without having at least one go in the sac to make sure they work and stuff.

lol

*...zzz-wheew...*

hooray for bigotry and homophobia!!

How does my stating what is supported in the Bible make me have a fear of homosexuality? And more importantly, why would that be relevant in the topic of discussion? It wouldn't.

not denial at all, im quite aware that the bible is promotes intolerance but surprisingly i dont fall victim to religion, besides if you read the bible it says that homosexual sex, not love, is a sin


"And that a man will leave his father and mother, and be forever united to his wife. The two shall become one - no longer two, but one in matrimony! And no man may divorce what God has joined together".

Unless you are claiming that in homosexual 'unions' one could describe them legitimately as 'man and wife,' homosexual marriage just isn't. At least from God's point of view. I'm well aware that other people have their own points of views. Anyway, all of this is totally off-topic, I'm going to stop hijacking now!

God is definetly not punishing you. THere are times when it may seem like it, but in these occasions you have to look at the underlying effects and whats really going to come out of the situation. And in any matter, kissing is no sin. Your just being forced to choose between 2 guys at the moment.

I got my first kiss when I was 15 - it wasn't THAT great...

I guess my problem is is that i want a fairy tale romance. I've been hurt by 3 guys.. and I'm afraid of being hurt again. The guy that kiissed me hasn't offered a relationship... so I guess right now it's just "friends with benifts" which.. rather cheapons what we did (atleast to me) Id always decided that i only wanted to kiss the guy that God had for me... and i didn't wait. the guy asked me if i had been kissed and then he asked if he could kiiss me... ad i don't remember if i actually voiced yes allowed... but it's atleast what i was thinking. =( I wsn't even supposed to be at prom tht night. I KNEW something was going to happen--god tried to telll me ... but i didn't listen. =(
NO NO NO
he is NOT a "friend with benefits". it was a kiss not a committment.

you need to get a backbone if you are going to date boys. if you dont want to be kissed you let him know it. you kissed him and it didnt go well and you do not need to ever kiss him again. it is ALWAYS your choice to do anything even as small a thing as a peck on the cheek or holding hands. if its not good for you ITS NOT GOOD. and you dont do it.

only kiss boys that you are attracted to. only kiss when you are comfortable with it. dont ever go farther than you feel is right. start making your own decisions. weak girls get used. strong girls get what they want. (even if it might not be what they dreamed)

I guess my problem is is that i want a fairy tale romance. I've been hurt by 3 guys.. and I'm afraid of being hurt again. The guy that kiissed me hasn't offered a relationship... so I guess right now it's just "friends with benifts" which.. rather cheapons what we did (atleast to me) Id always decided that i only wanted to kiss the guy that God had for me... and i didn't wait. the guy asked me if i had been kissed and then he asked if he could kiiss me... ad i don't remember if i actually voiced yes allowed... but it's atleast what i was thinking. =( I wsn't even supposed to be at prom tht night. I KNEW something was going to happen--god tried to telll me ... but i didn't listen. =(

I dont think that wanting a fairy tale romance is a problem. They do happen. Not to me unfortunately but they do happen.

Friends with benefits doesn't sound like a very honourable thing for this guy to do. You may be getting some bad luck now but when the judgment comes it'l be his head in the noose and not yours.

okay... wait... i do like the guy. and it wasn't that bad of a kiss. it just shocked me. We've both told each other that we wanna get to know each other... it's just i shy away from relationships. the first few days after he first kissed me i was scared to death to even talk to him. He's a really swwet guy... but one thing that scares me if giving away to freely to my emotions... well that and the fear that God's going to punish me. I gave up dating... but i didn't really want to give it up. *sigh* I don't know...

you're all crazy. I doubt that God could honestly care less if two people kissed. I mean, look at everything else he has to deal with. No, you're not being punished. It's just bad luck.

you're all crazy. I doubt that God could honestly care less if two people kissed. I mean, look at everything else he has to deal with. No, you're not being punished. It's just bad luck.

Thank you for being so blunt.

okay... wait... i do like the guy. and it wasn't that bad of a kiss. it just shocked me. We've both told each other that we wanna get to know each other... it's just i shy away from relationships. the first few days after he first kissed me i was scared to death to even talk to him. He's a really swwet guy... but one thing that scares me if giving away to freely to my emotions... well that and the fear that God's going to punish me. I gave up dating... but i didn't really want to give it up. *sigh* I don't know...

if you like this boy, spend some time with him. get to know him. How else will you know who god has in store for you, if that's really what you believe?

God is NOT going to punish you for getting to know people. He is NOT going to punish you for kissing people.

okay... wait... i do like the guy. and it wasn't that bad of a kiss. it just shocked me. We've both told each other that we wanna get to know each other... it's just i shy away from relationships. the first few days after he first kissed me i was scared to death to even talk to him. He's a really swwet guy... but one thing that scares me if giving away to freely to my emotions... well that and the fear that God's going to punish me. I gave up dating... but i didn't really want to give it up. *sigh* I don't know...
A kiss, even if it's your first, is nothing to make a security issue out of. It's good to be a little free at times but there's a fine line between allowing a kiss and giving it all away up front.

not denial at all, im quite aware that the bible is promotes intolerance but surprisingly i dont fall victim to religion, besides if you read the bible it says that homosexual sex, not love, is a sin

first of all, the bible calls homosexuals abominations. second of all, its ok to love someone of the same sex TO A POINT ex. Son loves Father, Father Loves son, brother loves brother, that kind of thing. But thats it

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22

Above: the bible calling homosexuality an abomination

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????

Depending on your flavour of Christianity marriage is something between a union between two people that love eachother and something which turns the woman into an babyfactory, in which she is expected to never stop producing children. I will assume your beliefs lie closer to the former.

If so - how can you possibly know if you truly love the person you have selected for marriage if you have never been held in his arms, never been kissed ? How can you know that the kiss you shared is pure and perfect if it is your first ?
Answer: you probably can not. Therefor getting to know the difference is important. Just make sure you only do what you *want* to do.


Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22

Above: the bible calling homosexuality an abomination

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

And I assume you obey everything else leviticus says too ?

Wow, i realise there are some people who dont want to have sex before marriage, but not even kissing? Some people are just mad.

first of all, the bible calls homosexuals abominations. second of all, its ok to love someone of the same sex TO A POINT ex. Son loves Father, Father Loves son, brother loves brother, that kind of thing. But thats it

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22

Above: the bible calling homosexuality an abomination

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

stop trolling. This is not a thread about homosexuality. Go start one and I will tell you why you are wrong.

okay... wait... i do like the guy. and it wasn't that bad of a kiss. it just shocked me. We've both told each other that we wanna get to know each other... it's just i shy away from relationships. the first few days after he first kissed me i was scared to death to even talk to him. He's a really swwet guy... but one thing that scares me if giving away to freely to my emotions... well that and the fear that God's going to punish me. I gave up dating... but i didn't really want to give it up. *sigh* I don't know...

Sorry, I've never been in your situation and therefore can't give you any advice. But don't be under the illusion that you are being punished by God.

My best friend introduced me to the idea. I read the book "i kissed dating goodbye" which she let me borrow.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22

Above: the bible calling homosexuality an abomination

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13
thats what i was saying, nowhere that ive read in the bible does it say that being gay is a sin, it merely says that homosexual sex is a sin

I think the relationship you need to be thinking about, is your relationship with god.

What do you really think about god? Try going back to scripture, perhaps... and see what you really think god is like... not what your parents say, or what your church preaches.... what god means to YOU.

It could be argued that god WOULD object to a kiss - it is a physical pleasure, an expression of lust, even. So - you could argue it as a sin of the flesh.

But, to YOU, does it seem like the god YOU believe in would punish someone for a kiss?

DO YOU believe that god punishes ANYONE, here on Earth? Or, do you think that judgement is reserved for when you come before him?

If you do believe judgement is for later - then your problems now must be coincidence.

There are kisses in the bible - even kisses between men and other men, which do not seem to have carried a punishment... but maybe that is because of the INTENT.... what was your intent?

The last thing I wanted to say - the god of the bible is supposed to be, above all, a LOVING and FORGIVING god. According to scripture, the ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

So - if THAT is the kind of god you feel you believe in... you are free to kiss (and probably much more) with no fear of earthly (or any other) torment.

After all, we are mere flesh, and prey to the hungers of the flesh. A compassionate god knows this, and all sins are forgiven.

I guess you guys are right.

Wow this thread is astonishing .. it was a kiss, an exchange of saliva, you touched skin .. that's all .. But why do you fear god so? I thought the god-fearing days happened three hundred years ago .. don't you want to enjoy your life, go out and experience things? Surely God wants you to live your life to the fullest and he ain't going to punish you if you screw up .. that's the whole point of Christianity, you always have another chance. Go out and enjoy things. But save sex for someone you truly love .. that doesn't mean marriage.

I know... it's just that I want to much to please God and to receive his blessings... and I do sincerely try... it seems as though I keep screwing up.

It's probably Vishnu, re-re. God.

I know... it's just that I want to much to please God and to receive his blessings... and I do sincerely try... it seems as though I keep screwing up.

There is an argument that: if you have been saved, and you TRY to live a good life, you have already received all of god's blessings - since your salvation is assured.

I know... it's just that I want to much to please God and to receive his blessings... and I do sincerely try... it seems as though I keep screwing up.

Do not fear; God is not punishing you, though He may be testing you. Stand true to His teachings. If in doubt, pray about it. Don't worry, His plan will become clear with time.

Do not fear; God is not punishing you, though He may be testing you. Stand true to His teachings. If in doubt, pray about it. Don't worry, His plan will become clear with time.

Ow... I'd rather kiss George Bush than following this.

Do not fear; God is not punishing you, though He may be testing you. Stand true to His teachings. If in doubt, pray about it. Don't worry, His plan will become clear with time.

Your post is formatted wrong. Anything affiliated with god needs to be capitalized.

Do not fear; God Is Not Punishing you, though He May Be Testing you. Stand true to His Teachings. If in doubt, pray about it. Don't worry, His Plan Will Become Clear with time.

I Just Scared Myself With What I Said.

Ow... I'd rather kiss George Bush than following this.

On his dick?

On his dick?

Hmm... he has one? And no, I won't check!

What she said...
what they said... (no)

Your post is formatted wrong. Anything affiliated with god needs to be capitalized.

meh. I'm only human.

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????
are you both boys? the christian god doesn't like boy/boy kissing, probably because he hasn't come to terms with his own son's obvious homosexuality.

are you both boys? the christian god doesn't like boy/boy kissing, probably because he hasn't come to terms with his own son's obvious homosexuality.

No, he was just jealous that Jesus got all the fun while he was stuck with that Holy Spirit, and kissing spirits and ghosts is a bit of a problem.

I know... it's just that I want to much to please God and to receive his blessings... and I do sincerely try... it seems as though I keep screwing up.
Though I do not ascribe to Christianity, I do believe that if we are to be judged at death, we are to be judged for the intent of our actions. You said yourself, he was the one to kiss you, that you may have wanted him to and enjoyed it is nothing to be ashamed of, for you are obviously a very good hearted and well meaning person. Do not let religious dogma guilt trip you and cloud your reasoning, no one can define your relationship with God other than you, for your relationship with God should be a personal and intimate one. That is why I have a problem with organized religion, for they strive to make that personal, intimate relationship a public one by which they can all judge you for. Remember, Jesus was judged and condemned publicly as well for his actions and beliefs, but he stayed his path for he was confindent in his relationship with God, just as I am confident that Christianity is not the only correct path to take in life and that my way will not lead to eternal damnation because even if there is such a God as described in Christianity, I cannot believe He would fault me for being unable to believe in a religion that I believe has been responsible for so much suffering, hatred and hypocracy in the world. You cannot trust man, even within the Church to lead you to God, you can only follow your heart and do what you truly believe is right, and you cannot know what you truly believe if you only follow the beliefs of others.

Everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect, but so long as you strive to act out of love, learn from your mistakes, and overcome your failings, you should have nothing to fear.

Very true. It is not what your actions are but the intent of them and what you were trying to achieve. (As long as the action isn't the mass murder of millions for God or whatever, I think this could be taken the wrong way and end us up with another Hitler)

I guess I do feel guilty... I just feel as if God is punishing me... because I liked kissing the guy... does that make sense? I wanted to save my first kiss till i got married...but *shrugs* guess not now.To save your first act of sex until marraige is a difficult thing to do, especially with the temptations prevalent in the societies of many industrialized nations.

To save your first kiss until marraige is, in my opinion, taking things to an extreme. In my opinion, Almighty God wants our hearts open to love in all its forms, whether it is love of friends, love of family, or romantic love (though the implications of disease and pregnancy mean that you have to be careful with romantic love). Kissing someone is a perfectly acceptable part in the process of exploring the possibilities of romantic love.

God is slow to anger and quick to forgive, though in this case I don't see what you did that would constitute sinning.

What are you, some kind of lawyer of God's will? Marriage is a sacred vow between a man, woman, and God. That's not just a written promise not to fuck other people. It's an idea, a kind of purity, and that idea was in the thread starter's head and heart... until recently. Now it's being thrown out, dismissed, and for sexual related things. It's a dishonesty of self, and the poster made the thread because of that, not because of some specific legal text being broken. God is personal, not political, and if you feel guilty for knowingly tarnishing marriage, then, who is anyone else to say, "Oh don't worry, God doesn't mind at all, it's OK." You speak for God? Do I? God speaks only to each of us individually. Remember that!/me leans back in his chair, puts his right palm on his chin and his left palm on his right elbow and looks at "Santa Barbara".

Okaaaayyyy.... Interesting point....

So, do you imply that God does not use other people to guide His children?

Doctor Lasania says:
the laptop thing, bad luck. Likewise the latch. (Sounds like director is an arse)

I'm guessing that you have been feeling pretty edgy since you think that God is persecuting you, which might explain why you didn't do as well as you might have in the try-outs;

emotions running high...easy to get into fights and stuff...
maybe your ex heard about the kissing thing and is jealous, or maybe you're just really great and everybody likes you

:)I concur.

A mood of self-loathing and self-doubt can affect how you relate with other people. So, your mood might have precipitated the fight with your best friend. The rest, though, sounds like a series of coincidences; you just happened to have a bad week.

Yeah, if you just forget that homosexual love is a sin and abomination of what Marriage is! Hooray for denial!With all due respect, you were just asking "Nonconformitism" if he was "some kind of lawyer of God's will". Now, unless I'm missing something here, it seems to me that you're doing the exact same thing: interpreting the will of God for others.

If nobody else is in a position to say "Oh don't worry, God doesn't mind at all, it's OK", how does it follow that anybody else is in a position to say "God does mind, it's wrong"?

NO NO NO
he is NOT a "friend with benefits". it was a kiss not a committment.

you need to get a backbone if you are going to date boys. if you dont want to be kissed you let him know it. you kissed him and it didnt go well and you do not need to ever kiss him again. it is ALWAYS your choice to do anything even as small a thing as a peck on the cheek or holding hands. if its not good for you ITS NOT GOOD. and you dont do it.

only kiss boys that you are attracted to. only kiss when you are comfortable with it. dont ever go farther than you feel is right. start making your own decisions. weak girls get used. strong girls get what they want. (even if it might not be what they dreamed)I agree with Ashmoria. "Friends with benefits" implies that you and he are having sex, which you're not.

okay... wait... i do like the guy. and it wasn't that bad of a kiss. it just shocked me. We've both told each other that we wanna get to know each other... it's just i shy away from relationships. the first few days after he first kissed me i was scared to death to even talk to him. He's a really swwet guy... but one thing that scares me if giving away to freely to my emotions... well that and the fear that God's going to punish me. I gave up dating... but i didn't really want to give it up. *sigh* I don't know...My best friend introduced me to the idea. I read the book "i kissed dating goodbye" which she let me borrow.I really shouldn't judge books by their covers, or by their titles... but that sounds like a really bad book. Date him, at least once. You can even make out with him if you're comfortable doing that and you like him. Just don't get laid with him.

...and your best friend gave you the idea of giving up dating? ...and you had a fight with your best friend after you kissed the guy? Is this the same best friend we're talking about, here?

May I ask what that fight was about? I'm begining to suspect a connection.

Loving God means following His commands and doing His will. Loving your neighbors means having an appropriate level of concern for their development and well-being ("appropriate level" being scaled according to what is reasonablly within your power to do). I sincerely doubt that either of these things precludes dating.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

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Discussion of homosexuality is distinctly off-topic, here, as I think that we've reasonably established the relationship in question to be a boy-girl relationship. Please move discussions of homosexuality to another topic.

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Very true. It is not what your actions are but the intent of them and what you were trying to achieve. (As long as the action isn't the mass murder of millions for God or whatever, I think this could be taken the wrong way and end us up with another Hitler)
I'd have to believe that such actions could never truly be motivated by noble intentions, though in the case of young suseptable suicide bombers, their intentions may in fact be noble, but the intentions of those who convinced them of such are not and that the suicide bombers' inability to think for themselves and blindly follow the word of men instead of truly seeking to discover the will of God would count against them. According to such faiths, not even God would deny a man his free will, so why would He appreciate one who never chooses to use it and only follows the orders of others claiming to speak for God?

Edit: And upon further thought, my understanding is, such people are convinced that by killing themselves and taking others with them, they are guarunteed some kind of eternal reward, so they are not acting out of noble intent, but out of the selfish desire to have that reward, which would more than likely automatically deny them such a reward.

I know... it's just that I want to much to please God and to receive his blessings... and I do sincerely try... it seems as though I keep screwing up.
Well... "Sin" is a tricky thing. Once I listened to the Dominican Monk and he told that IF you are over 100% sure that you are not commiting a sin - then this isn't a sin at all! Besides - God loves everyone (right?????) and some day salvation will come even to the Satan himself! Yep! That's what I belive. I'm gnostic (Catholics says that I'm heretic but I don't care).

Just be true to your heart - God's within you. If you do something that you think is wrong - than don't do it! If it's otherwise - do what you want. Look - God isn't a despot. He loves you. He understands you.

Okay... well I had never been kissed until last Saturday. At the last minute I changed my mind about NOT going to prom and went with this guy i've known since elementary. during one of the songs... he kissed me twice! well... last night he kissed me again. Since Saturday... Everything possible that could happen (badly) has. Is it God punishing me?????
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GOD HATES YOU, YOU EVIL SATANIC CREATURE!!!!!





:headbang:

I knew nothing good could come out of jesus humpers.

Everything possible that could happen (badly) has.
Sounds like Murphy's law to me. (Everthing that can go wrong, will go wrong). :p
Doesn't need any God to explain that week. Its propably happening to most of us...