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Ezekiel 20:25-26
I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become efiled through their gifts- the sacrifice of every firstborn-- that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

Post specific quotations here that show.. "evilness" in reference to Biblical law (like the above passage)

Wow...nice flamebait. :mad:

I'll sit back and wait for the mods to delete this one.

People, quit taking this out of context. God never commanded this, he was saying they were doing it of their own volition and that he was tired of be ignored was gonna let em stew intheir muck for a while. God never commanded sacrifices of the firstborn anywhere in the Bible. Grrr.

Heh, In another thread, you posted you were a christian. Is this attempt to justify so-called evil passages, or are you bi-polar? :p

I am too lazy to look it up but there's one passage in there which states a woman who grabs her husband's opponent by the testicles during a fight is to have her hand severed.

Heh, In another thread, you posted you were a christian. Is this attempt to justify so-called evil passages, or are you bi-polar? :p

No he's pointing out some of the selective reading entire religions have done in contriving a political baseline morality over these past few centuries or so... :)

No he's pointing out some of the selective reading entire religions have done in contriving a political baseline morality over these past few centuries or so... :)
Hell, everyone loves a good slective reading. That way you can tailor things just how you like them. ;)

I vaguely remember seeing something about a prostitute being cut up into little pieces.

(No, this is not a flamebait, I am quite sure I did ... unless I dreamed that, or something of the likes ...)

That was actually done out of respect I think. She wasnt a hooker, but she was raped to death. Somehow, according to Jewsih tradition the hacking was done to help her. And not by God, but by her master. She was a servant I believe.

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That was actually done out of respect I think. She wasnt a hooker, but she was raped to death. Somehow, according to Jewsih tradition the hacking was done to help her. And not by God, but by her master. She was a servant I believe.

Hmmm ... you must know the bible quite well to be able to recognise such a vague allusion.

[and I remember that it wasn't done by god, of course.]

Religion is confusing.

I vaugely recall a portion of the jewish bible, (ie before king james got ahold of it) saying that if a man were to have a brother and this brother died without a son, this man was to sleep with his brother's wife until she had a son. Now in this story the man hated the brother's wife soo much that he compulsively masturbated until he was unable to preform, and because of this gross violation of jewish law and tradition god struck him down.

Now this stroy as part of the king james bible: A guy masturbated, god struck him down.
No pretext, no frame of refrence that you get in the jewish version, just that.

I also seem to remember a part of the bible telling that the only thing one needs to worry about when they have finished masturbating is to go take a bath and that they will still feel icky for a while.

So this whole taking things out of context has happend throughout history, its nothing new, this whole internet thing, just lets us jabber about it across the world at 4:12 in the morning.

Religion is confusing.


And religious debate is just plain burdening ... (a little off topic)

I vaugely recall a portion of the jewish bible, (ie before king james got ahold of it) saying that if a man were to have a brother and this brother died without a son, this man was to sleep with his brother's wife until she had a son. Now in this story the man hated the brother's wife soo much that he compulsively masturbated until he was unable to preform, and because of this gross violation of jewish law and tradition god struck him down.

Now this stroy as part of the king james bible: A guy masturbated, god struck him down.
No pretext, no frame of refrence that you get in the jewish version, just that.

I also seem to remember a part of the bible telling that the only thing one needs to worry about when they have finished masturbating is to go take a bath and that they will still feel icky for a while.

So this whole taking things out of context has happend throughout history, its nothing new, this whole internet thing, just lets us jabber about it across the world at 4:12 in the morning.

What you are referring to is Genesis 38:3-10, and it has nothing to do with masturbation.

What you are referring to is Genesis 38:3-10, and it has nothing to do with masturbation.

Leave us non-bible perusers alone! :p

What you are referring to is Genesis 38:3-10, and it has nothing to do with masturbation.

Well, coitus interruptus does usualy involve masturbation to finish off.
I also believe that it wasn't that he hated his sister in law. He just didn't want his child to be raised as his brother's. Unfortunatly, this decision ensured that his sister in law would be destitute with no one to care for her in old age.

Ezekiel 20:25-26
I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become efiled through their gifts- the sacrifice of every firstborn-- that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

Post specific quotations here that show.. "evilness" in reference to Biblical law (like the above passage)


Let's read things in their context. It is clear, that these things are against the will of the lord, but that he allowed them to to fall into such evilness, because there refused to do his commands. This is from the King James Version:
18 "And I said to their children in the wilderness, Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers, nor observe their ordinances, nor defile yourselves with their idols. 19 I the LORD am your God; walk in my statutes, and be careful to observe my ordinances, 20 and hallow my sabbaths that they may be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I the LORD am your God. 21 But the children rebelled against me; they did not walk in my statutes, and were not careful to observe my ordinances, by whose observance man shall live; they profaned my sabbaths. "Then I thought I would pour out my wrath upon them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 But I withheld my hand, and acted for the sake of my name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations, in whose sight I had brought them out. 23 Moreover I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them through the countries, 24 because they had not executed my ordinances, but had rejected my statutes and profaned my sabbaths, and their eyes were set on their fathers' idols. 25 Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; 26 and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD

If you read the Bible like the devil does, you will get to the conclusions he wants

Who cares about biblical laws? I mean, really... They're not the law of ANY country, so what? Some old stuff back from the days. Mainly of historical interest, but that's it.

And well, god never commanded anything in those "laws", since god didn't write the book. Nor does the devil exist.

I really wonder what it is with all those bible texts and their defenders. Where are the quoran texts? Any buddhist or hindu texts?

Wannabe Christians... annoying, even more annoying than some Americans.

Hmmm well do you realize that some of those "old laws" from the Bible are what have deamed many of the laws in Europe and in America, and other areas of the world. Many laws like, thou shalt not murder, steal, etc. Were taken from the Bible and made into man's laws. Did you ever think of that. That is why some of those laws matter.

And If you knew any Biblical History at all, you would be able to better understand the things in the Bible, like the laws. And how some of them were for before Jesus came to earth, like sacrifices and such. And other laws are mint for after Jesus died. So some of those "weird laws" as some people call them, were mint for the times of the Old Testemint, not for this day and age.

And sorry you think that we Christians are annoying, much less American Christians. Well then meet me: The most annoying of them all.

And those 'laws' didn't matter before Christianity... rrrright.

Hmmm well do you realize that some of those "old laws" from the Bible are what have deamed many of the laws in Europe and in America, and other areas of the world. Many laws like, thou shalt not murder, steal, etc. Were taken from the Bible and made into man's laws. Did you ever think of that. That is why some of those laws matter.


Last I checked, these ideas have existed for all of recorded history. The bible is a newbie in comparison to the basic concepts. Or do you think that Egyptians let you just run around stealing? And murder is based on legality. It's impossible to have murder, in the proper sense, without law to begin with.


And If you knew any Biblical History at all, you would be able to better understand the things in the Bible, like the laws.


I'm not a biblical scholar, due to the Hebrews being especially dorky people compared to say, the Greeks and the Egyptians, however, I do study a bit.


And how some of them were for before Jesus came to earth, like sacrifices and such.


As we all know, God's eternal laws are always in flux. *coughs*


And other laws are mint for after Jesus died.


Which sure as heck proves that they came first, since Rome consider theft legal and all, and illegal killing was legal.


So some of those "weird laws" as some people call them, were mint for the times of the Old Testemint, not for this day and age.


MENT, dude, testamEnt. Bast's perky rack, now I want some Altoids.


And sorry you think that we Christians are annoying, much less American Christians. Well then meet me: The most annoying of them all.

You're the one that refuses to bath because you were already baptized?

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/laura.htm

In the story of Sodom and Gamorgh (wrong spelling I know) God wipes out two cities. The citizens of these two towns wanted to get to know Lot's guests so Lot offered them his daughters to rape. They said 'no thanks' so God told Lot He would destroy the town but spare Lot and his family because they were good people. God made them flee from their homes and told them not to look back, however Lot's wife looked back towards her home being destroyed and was turned into a pilar of salt. Then Lot himself was raped by his two daughters, good people that God had spared. This is why homosexuality is evil.

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/laura.htm
That's gold!!

FAQ - God

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-Wade

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Post specific quotations here that show.. "evilness" in reference to Biblical law

Exodus 22:20 "You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt."

Exodus 22:21 "You shall not ill-treat any widow or orphan."

Exodus 22:24 "If you lend money to My people, to the poor among you, do not act toward them as a creditor: exact no interest from them."

Exodus 23:1 "You must not carry false rumors."

Exodus 23:4 "When you encounter your enemy's ox or ass wandering, you must take it back to him."

Exodus 23:6 "You shall not subvert the rights of your needy in their disputes."

And so on and so on and so on ....

Evil.

:rolleyes:

Oh ... and Ezekiel is not "the law". Torah is the law. Ezekiel is Nevi'im. Nevi'im is not Torah. If it's not Torah, it's not the law.

Last I checked, these ideas have existed for all of recorded history. The bible is a newbie in comparison to the basic concepts. Or do you think that Egyptians let you just run around stealing? And murder is based on legality.

ok, yes, the Bible as we know was compiled about 1600 years ago. BUT, it was compiled from many books and scrolls that were much older. Some at least 3000-4000 years old. (Or copied from texts that are now 3000-4000 years old.) Moses lived in Egypt when it was at its height. I'm sure he had records of Abraham who lived before Egypt was great. That is how he was able to write the history of Abraham.

A lot of you guys are taking the Bible WAY out of context too. Lot did not give his daughters to be raped.

Also, it is an old Jewish law/custom that if a man dies his brother must WED the man's wife. Not just sleep with her. This is so the widow is taken care of.