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:eek: Yup! It's true! :) Even the so-called democracies. "Hey! You have free choice! You can choose A or B!" :rolleyes: What if someone wants C. Then it's like banging your head up against a brickwall. :headbang: No madder how hard you try, you'll always end up hurting yourself. We can work for money. We can take out a loan. But can we steal from banks? We can use guns in war and target practice. But can you kill a guy your pissed at? You can drive to work or bike to work. But can you take a fighter jet? You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But can you pick your friends nose. You can pick your Senate. You can pick your House. But can you pick your president or supreme court? No. Everyone's a Dictator

Actually if you vote in the presidential election your vote makes a teeny tiny difference. And what you described would be just complete Anarchy. Some chaos is good but to much is really bad. I think the truth is that actually, everyone has common sense man.

*snort* In the 2000 elections, Al Gore one the most individual votes of american citizens. However, the elctoral votes favored Bush. If it was truely a democracy here, it would have been Gore that won the election. Not the war mongering monkey we have now. (No offense to all you republicans out there, the only thing Bush did good was get Suddam out of the way. Allthough the way he did it broke 23 international laws!)

I know. Gore won and he should have been the president. Then we wouldn't be stuck in all this shit. The electoral college really sucks man. It basically destroys the individual and instead classifies everyone in the state by the majority.

So your concuring with me now that we have virtualy no say in the election of the excecutive branch of government?

So your concuring with me now that we have virtualy no say in the election of the excecutive branch of government?
Yes I am. If you read my statement above I said "Your vote makes a teeny tiny difference" basically meaning it doesn't do much.

Ok. But in anycase, it seems that Anarchy is the only way to true freedom... Screw comman sense, I'm going to drive an F-15 to work :p

Ok. But in anycase, it seems that Anarchy is the only way to true freedom... Screw comman sense, I'm going to drive an F-15 to work :p
Awesome! Reserve a few parking spaces though.

:d

If I can't I'll just clear a path with a bomb

If I can't I'll just clear a path with a bomb
Use long range missiles a bomb would blow you up too.

Good idea. LONG LIVE TE ANARCHY!!! :confused: ... We're getting of the subject.

Good idea. LONG LIVE TE ANARCHY!!! :confused: ... We're getting of the subject.
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Seriously, lets get back on topic

It's pretty much going to happen no matter what.

The only system that lacks force over others is anarchy, and anarchy is able to last about a fraction of a second before someone notices that they're bigger than someone else.

Tyranny by majority is everlasting.

And, sadly, stupid breeds fast.

Hmmmm... Anarchy can last along time, if you play your cards right

I'm confused.

Hmmmm... Anarchy can last along time, if you play your cards right
Eh, no. It's a natural tendency of humanity to form into hierarchical group structures. The goal is to gain power over others, and at least with a constitutional republic we have a system that restrains the majority from becoming to powerful. In an anarchic state, a majority could form, or even a plurality, and smash everyone else, make them their slaves.

An example of what happens in an anarchic state is Somalia. Warlords rise to power, and the place becomes a shithole.

No, anarchy is foolish. Just as too much government is foolish. Restrained, small government is the proper method. Not disorder.

Hmmmm... Anarchy can last along time, if you play your cards right
And beyond that, everyone would have to play their cards right. All six billion of us.

Hmmmm... Anarchy can last along time, if you play your cards right
Democracy can last much longer. When you take it to it's full potential, it amounts to anarchy anyway, but there are checks and balances to stop anyone getting too powerful.

Democracies and Dictatorships are two different methods of organisation each with many flaws and each with many advantages. The idea that one system is 'good' and another is 'evil' is a misconception. What is good and what is evil is how these systems, these tools, are used.
What is 'good' and what is 'evil' is only what we as people make of them.

Ah, but even Democracies dictate what we can and cannot do. The only system that is not a Dictatorship is Anarchy, in which there are no laws or restraints to dictate our lives. To clear up some apparent confusion. Their is a diference between Autocracy and Dictatorship. A Dictatorship has some restraints and laws. An Autocracy has no freedoms what so ever. Anarchy is total freedom to do what we please, whenever we please.

Psh. Everyone thinks he or she is a dictator. I'm the only real dictator here.

Ah, but even Democracies dictate what we can and cannot do. The only system that is not a Dictatorship is Anarchy, in which there are no laws or restraints to dictate our lives. To clear up some apparent confusion. Their is a diference between Autocracy and Dictatorship. A Dictatorship has some restraints and laws. An Autocracy has no freedoms what so ever. Anarchy is total freedom to do what we please, whenever we please.

Not true. In anarchy, there exists the autocracy of one. You rule yourself without any form of checks and balances.

Good point. But if you are dictator of yourself, you set the limits. You decide what to do. You have complete control over yourself and only your self. that is true freedom. You can set your boundries, and nobody can tell you different.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone hijack their own thread. Or re-focus it. The n00bs are getting more inventive. We must defend ourselves.

*shifty eyes*

sadly, stupid breeds fast.

Case and Point
New York and California

This is an excellent debate. I think it should be continued I will post it on many other forums or more response.

Case and Point
New York and California

Hahahaha! That's so funny! California is stupid, New York is stupid! OMG, I've never seen such wit, not to mention originality and insight, before! :rolleyes:

By the way, the actual phrase is "case in point," not "case and point." But you knew that, what with you being so much smarter than entire states and all.

How to get to Point C in an A-to-B world:

Wander aimlessly. Dance naked in the dandelion patch. Kick a Taco Bell burrito around for six or seven blocks. Tackle shrubbery. Then, when they least expect it, arrive at point C and laugh at them. :D

:eek: Yup! It's true! :) Even the so-called democracies. "Hey! You have free choice! You can choose A or B!" :rolleyes: What if someone wants C. Then it's like banging your head up against a brickwall. :headbang: No madder how hard you try, you'll always end up hurting yourself. We can work for money. We can take out a loan. But can we steal from banks? We can use guns in war and target practice. But can you kill a guy your pissed at? You can drive to work or bike to work. But can you take a fighter jet? You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But can you pick your friends nose. You can pick your Senate. You can pick your House. But can you pick your president or supreme court? No. Everyone's a Dictator

yes finally some one smart god demn i tought the same so often.
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but yes, how a nation is run is decided through war and so on, democracies are so ppl think they are free, and feel free and dont riot

In the US, it's perfectly legal to own a fighter jet, so long as the weapons systems have been disabled and unloaded.

There are some whom own MiG 15s, Czechoslovak L-39s, P-51 Mustangs, etc.
The most famous is the Confederate (aka Commemorative) Air Force, whom are active in Maryland and various other states:
http://www.confederateairforce.org/units.html

:eek: Yup! It's true! :) Even the so-called democracies. "Hey! You have free choice! You can choose A or B!" :rolleyes: What if someone wants C. Then it's like banging your head up against a brickwall. :headbang: No madder how hard you try, you'll always end up hurting yourself. We can work for money. We can take out a loan. But can we steal from banks? We can use guns in war and target practice. But can you kill a guy your pissed at? You can drive to work or bike to work. But can you take a fighter jet? You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But can you pick your friends nose. You can pick your Senate. You can pick your House. But can you pick your president or supreme court? No. Everyone's a Dictator

A little extreme, but true to an extent. You know that there are reasons you can't go out and just kill someone don't you? Otherwise, you and I would probably be dead right now.

Dictatorship at its best can be a very positive form of government. Look at the new Asian tiger economies like Malaysia or Korea. Korea's been at war for some 50 years yet now it has its own automotive industry, electronics industry and shipbuilding industry w/c builds AEGIS destroyers! Malaysia is a melting pot of Chinese, Muslim Malays and Indians w/c by rights should be slaughtering each other but instead they're co-existing and advancing together because of STRONG LEADERSHIP.

If you have a democracy where just anyone no matter how unqualified can run for public office just because he has the votes, where the electoral college is stupid beyond belief that brainless drunken movie stars can become heads of state and unionization is so strong that the masses demand wage hikes as often as they can, w/c in turn forces everyone to raise prices to cover their labor costs, and on and on in a vicious cycle until the currency is so devalued that it's more useless than crap - if that's democracy then forget it, I'm out of there!

The innate problem with dictatorship of course is it has the greatest chance for abuse of power and the elevation of one man, one family or one social class (oligarchy) above the others. Absolute power corrupts as they say.

Agree with the posting on Somalia - anarchy is NOT the way to go because, as a great man once said, "What will happen when the slaves of today become the tyrants of tomorrow?" - mankind will always have leaders and followers and there will always be those who will be content to have the decisions made for them and those who will want to make those decisions for others. Even in the 'free-love' communes of the 60's where everything, including sex, was held 'in common' they found that the experiment didn't necessarily work because people would eventually form social groups and cliques. Anarchy (like communism) is a pipe dream.

Strong but benevolent leadership, now there's the way to go.

By the way, I'd LOVE to drive a Universal Bren-Gun Carrier to work - let's see those lousy drivers try to cut me off now!

http://www.flmvpa.org/images/Deren%20Italy/British%20Bren%20Gun%20Carrier%20front%20right.jpg

His Grace, etc etc the Lord Chancellor of Cathenia

"Criticism is the only known antidote to error."

As far as we know, any asymptotically stable government must embrace this discipline.

It's amazing how far this topic came. I've already started it on another forum just now... See ya, I'm off to create an Anarchy!

Any more opinions?

Any more opinions?

Yes. I bet that if you wedgied Jesus, he'd laugh. :)

Of course he would! He still loves me and you! (That wasn't funny, I'm a baptist)

Any relevant opinions?

Yes I am. If you read my statement above I said "Your vote makes a teeny tiny difference" basically meaning it doesn't do much.

Well, if you think about it, what would happen if everyone said "my vote makes no difference compared against the other masses of people that vote. Then nobody would vote. But then, if one person voted, his vote would decide the election!