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How many continents saw military action in World War II?

Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 06:36
Recently a thread here contained several posts arguing over the number of continents that saw military action during World War II. Now I know the answer, but I am curious as to the opinions of other NS'ers.

I also recognize that there are considerable polemics over the actually number of continents themselves. So for the sake of this argument, I am defining the world as having seven continents: North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica.

If you don't agree with this scheme - for whatever reason - please still vote under it for consistency, and then explain why your actual answer would be wrong. That's all I ask. I would also prefer if this didn't become a discussion of what a continent is or is not.

Poll coming soon.
Cumulo Nimbusland
14-05-2005, 06:41
If I'm not mistaken:

North America (Pearl Harbor, though it's really not North America)
Europe
Asia
Africa
Australia (The islands to the north, not really Australia, but may be "Oceania")
Chellis
14-05-2005, 06:46
5

North america(Pearl harbor, the japanese balloon bombs)
Europe(no exp. needed)
Africa(Torch, egypt, etc)
Asia(Eastern, CBI, Japan)
Australia(I dont believe in the actual nation of australia, but new zealand or whatever).
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 06:48
Hmm, four that I can think of: Australia (Darwin was bombed, submarines in Sydney and the infamous battle of Brisbane); Africa (Rommel in north Africa and the launch into Europe through Italy); Europe, bit of a hotspot; Asia (China and everything between Japan and Australia). I doubt they ever made it to Antartica, I don't think the American mainland was ever attacked (unless you count Pearl Harbour, which I don't). South America I have no idea really. I know that there were some nazi friendly governments, but I think that was mostly the result of their fear of communism. Many either severed diplomatic ties or declared war on the axis powers in 1942 after a pan-America confrence as I recall.
Bodies Without Organs
14-05-2005, 06:48
So for the sake of this argument, I am defining the world as having seven continents: North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica.

Africa twice?

Having defined the continents you now need to define exactly what constitutes 'military action' - do the mobilization and departure of Brazilian units count as such?
Bodies Without Organs
14-05-2005, 06:50
I don't think the American mainland was ever attacked (unless you count Pearl Harbour, which I don't).

It was: do a search on 'balloon bombs' amongst other things.
Pantylvania
14-05-2005, 06:55
oops, I voted 5 before I saw the list of continents. All except Antarctica
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 06:56
For the sake of argument, let's say that military action involves actual combat, or the actual threat of military reprisals within the given legal borders of any given country. From there we can figure out which continent it belongs to.

Okay?
Cumulo Nimbusland
14-05-2005, 06:58
oops, I voted 5 before I saw the list of continents. All except Antarctica

First of all, South America wasn't involved.


Secondly, North America WAS.

Look up "Fort Stevens." It's in Oregon, and the only mainland attack on the US before 9/11. EDIT: Wait, this is wrong. What about early wars? :p

"On the night of June 21, 1942, Fort Stevens saw its only action when a Japanese submarine (the I-25) fired 5.5 inch shells in the vicinity of the fort. The shelling caused no damage. The Fort Commander refused to allow return fire. The incident made Fort Stevens the only installation to be attacked by an enemy since the War of 1812."
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 06:59
It was: do a search on 'balloon bombs' amongst other things.

I searched for them, I dunno if I would call it 'action' though...
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 06:59
Hmm, four that I can think of: Australia (Darwin was bombed, submarines in Sydney and the infamous battle of Brisbane); Africa (Rommel in north Africa and the launch into Europe through Italy); Europe, bit of a hotspot; Asia (China and everything between Japan and Australia). I doubt they ever made it to Antartica, I don't think the American mainland was ever attacked (unless you count Pearl Harbour, which I don't). South America I have no idea really. I know that there were some nazi friendly governments, but I think that was mostly the result of their fear of communism. Many either severed diplomatic ties or declared war on the axis powers in 1942 after a pan-America confrence as I recall.

Attu and Kiska, may, disagree with you.
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 07:00
I searched for them, I dunno if I would call it 'action' though...

It's a very obscure japanese plan. BWO is busting chops.
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 07:01
The climax of the conflict in AntarticaFurthermore, on one occasion Argentineans fired shots over the heads of British workers. The British responded by tearing down Argentinean and Chilean structures.From here (http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~hoitik/claiming&WWII.htm)
Cumulo Nimbusland
14-05-2005, 07:03
The climax of the conflict in AntarticaFrom here (http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~hoitik/claiming&WWII.htm)

Wow, so that's 6. Only one that I'm not sure about it South America.
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 07:04
Attu and Kiska, may, disagree with you.

How can they? They're islands! :p Well I never knew much about the battle of Midway.
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 07:06
Wow, so that's 6. Only one that I'm not sure about it South America.

I'm not sure if firring a gun over someone's head really counts as military action, nor tearing down a wall since both of these actions were done by civilians...
Skeelzania
14-05-2005, 07:07
The only real action I know of in South America was the Graf Spee battle off of the River Plate. Since you are using near-battles to justify Australia's claim, I think this would count towards South America.
Texpunditistan
14-05-2005, 07:11
All 7. I remember reading (somewhere...I need to find the info and reread it again to be sure) that covert submarine actions was taken in the waters around Antartica by Germany...as well as covert Nazi submarine bases in South America.

I could have just been read a Jack DuBrul novel, though. ;)
Cumulo Nimbusland
14-05-2005, 07:11
The only real action I know of in South America was the Graf Spee battle off of the River Plate. Since you are using near-battles to justify Australia's claim, I think this would count towards South America.

Then it really just depends on what you consider "military action," as well as whether you consider certain areas as "part" of a continent.

(Though I'd have to argue that, since the battle off South America probably occured within the continental shelf, it was on the South American continent).


So, we'd therefore have an argument for all seven continents.
Patra Caesar
14-05-2005, 07:12
All 7. I remember reading (somewhere...I need to find the info and reread it again to be sure) that covert submarine actions was taken in the waters around Antartica by Germany...as well as covert Nazi submarine bases in South America.

I could have just been read a Jack DuBrul novel, though. ;)

Secret Nazi alien SS/NSA Antartic bases :rolleyes: (http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega2.htm)
Lamor
14-05-2005, 07:15
All 7. I remember reading (somewhere...I need to find the info and reread it again to be sure) that covert submarine actions was taken in the waters around Antartica by Germany...as well as covert Nazi submarine bases in South America.

I could have just been read a Jack DuBrul novel, though. ;)

I'm not positive but I don't think this would be considered military action on the part of antarctica, partly considering the continent has no military and partly because the subs were german subs... now if I were correct, that would mean that's german military action...
Squi
14-05-2005, 07:16
First of all, South America wasn't involved.

Graf Spree.


Interesting in terms of the clarified defintion of combat it is debatable whether or not Antarctica could have been considered involved, even if the entire war had been fought there. Depends on whether or not one accepts the claims to sections of the Antarctic as national territory.


All the inhabitied continents at the time saw some military action, it was truely a world war. Ground operations (hostile) were confined to Europe Asia and Africa but Australia and both Americas were involved in naval and/or air combat, and North America gets ground if Attu Attu is counted.

Note that regardless of whether Pearl Harbour is part of North America, Attu Attu is, although not part of the mainland or the contiguous 48, then again England is not part of mainland Europe.
New Shiron
14-05-2005, 07:17
the majority of all combat took place in Europe, Asia, and Africa, but the Japanese launched several small attacks against the continental US, including a large number of balloons with small bombs aboard, one of which killed a family in Colorado (or Wyoming, one of the western states I forget which exactly).

the city of Darwin Australia was heavily bombed by a Japanese raid in February 1942

The fight between the Graf Spee and 3 British cruisers took place off the coast of South America, and the Graf Spee was scuttled at the mouth of the harbor at Montevideo (Uruguay), a number of ships were sunk off the coast of South America as well, and Brazil was a very active member of the Allies

Only Antarctica escaped the war, although a couple of German raiders operated fairly close to it on occasion (but still well above the Antarctic circle).
Cumulo Nimbusland
14-05-2005, 07:18
Graf Spree.


Interesting in terms of the clarified defintion of combat it is debatable whether or not Antarctica could have been considered involved, even if the entire war had been fought there. Depends on whether or not one accepts the claims to sections of the Antarctic as national territory.


All the inhabitied continents at the time saw some military action, it was truely a world war. Ground operations (hostile) were confined to Europe Asia and Africa but Australia and both Americas were involved in naval and/or air combat, and North America gets ground if Attu Attu is counted.

Note that regardless of whether Pearl Harbour is part of North America, Attu Attu is, although not part of the mainland or the contiguous 48, then again England is not part of mainland Europe.

Yes, and as I posted before, Fort Stevens, on the coast of northwest Oregon (mainland US) was also involved.
Squi
14-05-2005, 07:20
Yes, and as I posted before, Fort Stevens, on the coast of northwest Oregon (mainland US) was also involved.
Only really mentioned Attu Attu for the ground operations.
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 07:23
Graf Spree.


Interesting in terms of the clarified defintion of combat it is debatable whether or not Antarctica could have been considered involved, even if the entire war had been fought there. Depends on whether or not one accepts the claims to sections of the Antarctic as national territory.


All the inhabitied continents at the time saw some military action, it was truely a world war. Ground operations (hostile) were confined to Europe Asia and Africa but Australia and both Americas were involved in naval and/or air combat, and North America gets ground if Attu Attu is counted.

Note that regardless of whether Pearl Harbour is part of North America, Attu Attu is, although not part of the mainland or the contiguous 48, then again England is not part of mainland Europe.

Don't forget Santa Barbara or Darwin. :)
New Shiron
14-05-2005, 07:25
technically the Aleutian Islands, which include Kiska and Attu (and a major battle was fought at Attu) are part of North America... but the Japanese also attacked the US directly on a few occasions (see posts above)... the Germans also sank a LOT of ships right of the coast of the US, along the Eastern Seaboard and in the Gulf of Mexico. My father has told me stories of seeing burning tankers offshore (he lived in Virginia) during 1942, and Operation Drumbeat (the German submarine offensive against the US Atlantic Coast) is well documented.

The best information I have seen indicates that the last expeditions by anyone to the Antarctic ended in the late 1930s, including a German expedition that flew over part of the Antarctic (Queen Mauds Land) and dropped a bunch of markers with the swastika on them.. but that is pre war so probably shouldn't count.
Natashenka
14-05-2005, 07:32
I voted for 6, but I have no idea why. I don't think I can count this late. I was actually going for 5: Europe, Africa, Asia, North America, Australia (or Oceania).
Squi
14-05-2005, 07:34
Don't forget Santa Barbara or Darwin. :)
Again, both are categorized as naval and/or air action. The only reason to mention Attu Attu is that ground combat took place there on the island, part of the North American continent. Neither Darwin nor Santa Barabara nor Oregon nor even Pearl Harbor saw ground combat. (Although possibly New Jersey did, but that is unconfirmed last I saw - story (as I heard it originally, have heard variants) is German Sabotuers landed by submarine were involved with some local police.)
Iztatepopotla
14-05-2005, 07:36
Yes, the Germans sank a few boats in the Gulf of Mexico, including Mexican ships which is what drove Mexico into the war, and there was the Graff Spree in South America, but I don't know if I would consider that action, more like incidents. The Aleutians Islands thing would count though. And, technically, Hawaii is not in the American continent.

Major combat was limited to three continents (which are pretty big, so I don't know if "limited" is the right term), with some incidents here and there in all the rest, while the economic and political repercusions were felt all over.
New Shiron
14-05-2005, 07:44
German Uboats also shelled Curacao, which is the Caribbean and really close to Venezueala.... which I guess makes it South America more or less

no ground fighting in South America during the war, but a lot of military activity as US, British and Brazilian escorts operated from bases there, as did a large number of ASW aircraft, and a steady stream of aircraft flew to Brazil, then across to Dakar and then below the Sahara before turning north to Egypt.. some of these ended up in the Soviet Union, India and China (one hell of trip!)

I think you can make a case that Papua was Australian soil during World War II, and its certainly a lot more Australiasian than Asian as far as proximity to a continent goes
Pyrostan
14-05-2005, 07:50
Can we call a civilian Argentenian firing a shot over a British worker's head, and a subsequent unauthorized demolition, "military action?"?
Squi
14-05-2005, 07:57
Interesting point about New Guinea. If I recall my history correctly Papua refered (at the time) to southern part of the island which was not fought over, while the northern part was, including a fair ammount of fighting in Dutch New Guinea. While not considered Austrailan national "soil" at the time, it was Australian territory. Regardless of the national ownership, New Guinea and Australia share a continental plate and are usually considered the same continent under the 7 continent division. Forgot about that.
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 08:02
Interesting point about New Guinea. If I recall my history correctly Papua refered (at the time) to southern part of the island which was not fought over, while the northern part was, including a fair ammount of fighting in Dutch New Guinea. While not considered Austrailan national "soil" at the time, it was Australian territory. Regardless of the national ownership, New Guinea and Australia share a continental plate and are usually considered the same continent under the 7 continent division. Forgot about that.

It really doesn't matter, because Darwin was bombed.
Squi
14-05-2005, 08:06
It really doesn't matter, because Darwin was bombed.Just clarifying ground operations. South South America was the only continent involved in WWII to been spared ground combat. I wonder if we can find an instance of ground combat for South America.
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 08:15
Just clarifying ground operations. South South America was the only continent involved in WWII to been spared ground combat. I wonder if we can find an instance of ground combat for South America.

Honestly, I can't think of one.

Indeed, argentina, the biggest local rival, joined the allies before the end of the war.
Kanabia
14-05-2005, 08:17
I count submarine and naval warfare as "military action", and it occured off all continents except Antartica, so 6.
Potaria
14-05-2005, 08:20
Let's see...

North America, South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. That's five.

I'm not sure if Australia (the continent itself) saw military action, so I didn't count it.
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:21
Let's see...

North America, South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. That's five.

I'm not sure if Australia saw military action, so I didn't count it.

Wasn't there a Japanese attack on the Australian city of Darwin?
Potaria
14-05-2005, 08:24
Wasn't there a Japanese attack on the Australian city of Darwin?

I'm not sure, just as I said!
Laerod
14-05-2005, 08:25
5:
Europe: The whole continent besides Spain and Portugal, pretty much
Asia: China, Indochina, Japan
Africa: North Africa, the colonies of Italy, France, and UK
Australia: Darwin was bombed by the Japanese
N. America: Some of the Aleutans were invaded by the Japanese
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:27
I'm not sure, just as I said!

Well, i looked it up. There was...
Potaria
14-05-2005, 08:28
Well, i looked it up. There was...

Alright, then it's settled.
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:28
5:
Europe: The whole continent besides Spain and Portugal, pretty much
Asia: China, Indochina, Japan
Africa: North Africa, the colonies of Italy, France, and UK
Australia: Darwin was bombed by the Japanese
N. America: Some of the Aleutans were invaded by the Japanese

Actually six... remember that some battles took place just off the coast of Argentina. However, it depends if you count those...
Wegason
14-05-2005, 08:30
I also recognize that there are considerable polemics over the actually number of continents themselves. So for the sake of this argument, I am defining the world as having seven continents: North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica.

Anyone else count eight continents there?

Although africa is there twice
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:34
Anyone else count eight continents there?

Although africa is there twice

Heh, reminds me about that Monty Python's joke with the two Kilomanjaros... :D
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 08:38
Anyone else count eight continents there?

Although africa is there twice

Many people educated in south America are taught that there are only five continents. I just wanted to clear things up for the purposes of this debate.
Potaria
14-05-2005, 08:41
Many people educated in south America are taught that there are only five continents. I just wanted to clear things up for the purposes of this debate.

That's a bit odd, but I can see why they would do that.

America (North and South), Europe/Asia, Australia, Africa, Antarctica. Correct?
Enn
14-05-2005, 08:44
Just wondering, how else could you count the continents? Yes, you could theoretically count Greenland, but that's bending the rules pretty far. India's a subcontinent, not a continent. Unless you counted them, I don't see how you could get more than 7. You might even make a case for Madagascar under those definitions.
If you counted Eurasia as one continent, then I guess you could make 6.

How on earth do you get to 5?
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 08:49
Just wondering, how else could you count the continents? Yes, you could theoretically count Greenland, but that's bending the rules pretty far. India's a subcontinent, not a continent. Unless you counted them, I don't see how you could get more than 7. You might even make a case for Madagascar under those definitions.
If you counted Eurasia as one continent, then I guess you could make 6.

How on earth do you get to 5?

America, Australia, Asia, Africa, Antartica.
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:53
America, Australia, Asia, Africa, Antartica.

Actually, if one would go by plate tectonics, you would get 8 continents...

Africa
Antarctica
Arabia
Australia
Eurasia
India
North America
South America

... just a random thought :D
WarDrum
14-05-2005, 08:54
What about Alaska? The Japanese invaded several of the aleutian islands. Last time I checked, Alaska was still in the North American continent. Also, the first major naval battle of World War Two was fought in Argentina "The Battle of the River Plate"...unless of course Argentina is not part of South America, also.

North America: Alaska
South America: Battle of the River Plate
Europe: Obvious reasons
Asia: Obvious reasons
Australia: Bombings of Syndney
Africa: Obvious reasons

Antartica: No battles.

That would be 6 out of 7 continents that had direct battles fought on it's soil.
Lacadaemon
14-05-2005, 08:56
Actually, if one would go by plate tectonics, you would get 8 continents...

Africa
Antarctica
Arabia
Australia
Eurasia
India
North America
South America

... just a random thought :D

Didn't I say I didn't want to get into this. I am just telling you what some south Americans describe as the number of continents.
Enn
14-05-2005, 08:56
America, Australia, Asia, Africa, Antartica.
Right. Not sure I agree with that whatsoever, but I got my answer. So, onto WWII.

Europe: Lots of fighting. Check.
Asia: Ditto: Check.
Africa: Not quite as much fighting, but still a fair bit. Check.
Australia: Bombing of Darwin, submarine attack on Australia. Check.
North America: Attacks on islands, plus sinking of ships, and I am told some attacks on the continent itself. Guess so.
South America: No idea before reading the thread. Wouldn't have thought so, but according to what people said there was some ship sinking of the coast of Brazil.
Antarctica: What was there to fight over? No settlements, not even any great shippping lanes to mine and put submarines in (apart from Tierra del Fuego - South America; and the Roaring Forties, which are right in the middle of the Indian Ocean, and as such can't be counted as part of a continental military campaign)

Hmm. That really was a long paranthesis, wasn't it?
Enn
14-05-2005, 08:57
Actually, if one would go by plate tectonics, you would get 8 continents...

Africa
Antarctica
Arabia
Australia
Eurasia
India
North America
South America

... just a random thought :D
Not really. India and Australia are on the same plate, so you still end up with 7.

[edit] Sorry Lacadaemon for hijacking, but I'm one of those people that tries to correct others. Even when I know I shouldn't.
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:57
Didn't I say I didn't want to get into this. I am just telling you what some south Americans describe as the number of continents.

Yes-yes... i know, i know. It's just that this funny idea came into my mind :)
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 08:59
Not really. India and Australia are on the same plate, so you still end up with 7.

Oh... you're right... they actually are on the same plate. :D
WarDrum
14-05-2005, 09:09
]*snip* Africa: Not quite as much fighting, but still a fair bit. Check.



Northern Africa seen fighting for a good portion of the war from like 1939(40) until about a 1943. You have the suez canal, cotton, gold, etc. valuable wartime resources and look how close Nazi-loving Spain is to North Africa (Fransisco Franco won the spanish civil war because Hilter helped, you think a dictactor has compassion for a fellow dictator? You betcha.) The invasion of sicily came from North Africa. It was a vital part of the invasion, Normandy would have meant nothing if we weren't closing in from not only that side but from the East (Russia) and from the South and conquering Mousilini(sp) one of Hitler's few allies.
Wisjersey
14-05-2005, 09:13
The battle of El Alamein, huh?
Enn
14-05-2005, 09:13
Northern Africa seen fighting for a good portion of the war from like 1939(40) until about a 1943. You have the suez canal, cotton, gold, etc. valuable wartime resources and look how close Nazi-loving Spain is to North Africa (Fransisco Franco won the spanish civil war because Hilter helped, you think a dictactor has compassion for a fellow dictator? You betcha.) The invasion of sicily came from North Africa. It was a vital part of the invasion, Normandy would have meant nothing if we weren't closing in from not only that side but from the East (Russia) and from the South and conquering Mousilini(sp) one of Hitler's few allies.
Hence "a fair bit". But it certainly wasn't on the same scale of Stalingrad or South East Asia.
Madnestan
14-05-2005, 09:29
The climax of the conflict in AntarticaFrom here (http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~hoitik/claiming&WWII.htm)

I read it, and only action I saw there was:

"Argentina, followed the end of WWII, built a base directly across British base. The meaning is straight forward. Furthermore, on one occasion Argentineans fired shots over the heads of British workers. The British responded by tearing down Argentinean and Chilean structures."

So AFTER THE WAR, argentinians SHOT OVER some british workers. That's not military action in WW2, really. And about the battles on the Argentina coast, they cannot be included in "Action in South America", as ATLANTIC OCEAN IS NOT A CONTINENT, neither part of South America no matter how close to the coast the battle was fought.
So the continents where the WW2 was fought were Europe, Asia, Oceania and Africa. I don't count Aleuts or Pearl Harbour parts of the North America. Ballon bombs and some submarine shooting a building, ...
:headbang:
The Bruce
14-05-2005, 12:42
The Japanese invasion of Alaska was downplayed to prevent panic in the US, but it was a very nasty campaign fought under brutal conditions. I don’t think until recently that even many historians have any idea about the fighting there.

North America also had submarine attacks all up and down the Eastern Seaboard. A submarine sunk in the Saint Lawrence Seaway for instance. A few bold U-boats went a little ways up some prominent US rivers as well and one went right into New York’s harbour. This sort of thing was kept very quiet to keep people on the home front from panicking.

In Australia, Darwin fought it’s own miniature version of the Battle of Britain. Friends of my family had a bar in Darwin at that time, “The Thirsty Fox”, that was frequented by the fighter pilots and there were frequently missing patrons at the bar due to attrition.

South America was home to more intrigue than fighting. Of course in the Caribbean, once that Royal bastard Edward got reassigned there he was passing on ship transit information to the Nazis (you really have to wonder why this guy was never executed for his treason, both as a governor in the Caribbean and in France, helping out Rommel).

There were a number of naval engagements off the coasts of South America, most notably the battle of the River Plate (one of the earliest naval battle in the war, if you don’t count the British sinking the French fleet). Graf Spree, a surface raider “pocket battleship” was sunk in a badly outnumbered fight with the British Navy.

Fernandez, Hugo. The Nazi Underground in South America. New York: Farrar & Rinehart, 1942.

Antarctica had overlapping claims of the Nazis, England, and Argentina. The Argentineans shot over the head of British workers and the Brits responded by tearing down Argentine buildings. Just like in WWI there were incidents in WWII where armed German merchant ships captured Anglo-Norwegian whalers, so it seems nowhere was untouched by the war.

The Bruce
Harlesburg
14-05-2005, 12:48
Um all bar Antarctica unless you include the Great Australian Bight as being part of Antarctica.
I ont know how mant Continents there are NA,SA,E,A,AF,A,AS

So 6.
Madnestan
14-05-2005, 14:56
Fighting in coast of some continent is not fighting IN that continent. So South America cannot be included. Shooting over workers, who dont shoot back, and tearing down buildings who, neither, shoot back is not fighting. So much about antarctis. I had never heard about U-Boats in US rivers, neither one in NYC. Interresting story, if it aint fictional as I doubt. Need to do some furhter reseach about that, it seems.
Pepe Dominguez
14-05-2005, 15:10
FDR landing at Clipperton Island.. who owned it at the time? I don't think Mexico did, not in 1944.. and France didn't own it back then. Meh. I'm probably wrong.
Iztatepopotla
15-05-2005, 03:42
FDR landing at Clipperton Island.. who owned it at the time? I don't think Mexico did, not in 1944.. and France didn't own it back then. Meh. I'm probably wrong.
It was France. It was Mexican territory called Isla de la Soledad until the mid 19th century when France occupied it and for some reason the whole ordeal was brought to Italy for arbitration and they failed in favor of France. It was very weird.
Eutrusca
15-05-2005, 03:44
All of them. Even South America, which was a "battleground" of intrigue and murder.

EDIT: Well, maybe not Antarctica. :)
The Lightning Star
15-05-2005, 03:44
5

Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia, and North America(two Islands that are part of Alaska were attacked and taken over by the Japs.)
Czardas
15-05-2005, 04:12
This isn't a very good poll, as it's a fact rather than an opinion poll. I'm surprised it's gotten so many responses. The answer is very obvious (5).

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Jibea
15-05-2005, 04:19
6
USA and Canada-NA
Australia
Most of Europe
Asia-Japan, China (But I dont really count it since it is more of the War of the Pacific)
Africa was under attack from Italy
Peru or one of the South American countries were involved
LazyHippies
15-05-2005, 04:25
For the sake of argument, let's say that military action involves actual combat, or the actual threat of military reprisals within the given legal borders of any given country. From there we can figure out which continent it belongs to.

Okay?

Too late. I already voted under the assumption that you really meant what you asked rather than how many continents saw military action within their borders.
Harlesburg
16-05-2005, 13:42
6
USA and Canada-NA
Australia
Most of Europe
Asia-Japan, China (But I dont really count it since it is more of the War of the Pacific)
Africa was under attack from Italy
Peru or one of the South American countries were involved
Dude heard of Burma?
Sinus Draconum
16-05-2005, 13:47
How many continents doesn't really matter. What matters most is that the entire world's population got involved - in a bad way, and some the wrong way inside gas ovens and mass graves.
Kaledan
17-05-2005, 13:23
American coastal cities were shelled by U-boats early in the war. Damage was extremely minimal. Plus, U-boats sunk ships off of the Jersey shore, in daylight, in front of tourists. So, that definetely counts. And, Nazi saboteurs came ashore in the U.S. That's military action. And I am pretty sure that similar incidents occurred on the Brazilian coast, but I admit that I cannot think of a particular incident.
If so, the Antarctica would be the only continent without military action.
The Black Forrest
17-05-2005, 13:55
First of all, South America wasn't involved.


Where did the Graf Spee sink? ;)
Madnestan
17-05-2005, 19:33
To those who ignore/don't know, more japanese and chinese troops died in China than americans and japsies in Pacific. So I think Asia really should be "counted".
Madnestan
17-05-2005, 19:41
American coastal cities were shelled by U-boats early in the war. Damage was extremely minimal. Plus, U-boats sunk ships in Jersey shore, in daylight, in front of tourists. So, that definetely counts. And, Nazi saboteurs came ashore in the U.S. That's military action. And I am pretty sure that similar incidents occurred on the Brazilian coast, but I admit that I cannot think of a particular incident.
If so, the Antarctica would be the only continent without military action.

It is only about the meaning of the term "action". I thought it meant same as "figting", which means taht 2 armed groups clash together and people is killed. That didn't happen in American soil. If it is "action" includes severe shooting from 45mm U-Boat guns against unprotected houses, then so be it. Stories about "nazi spies" and German submarines in American rivers are mostly just that: stories and legends. There is countless number of those about the WW2.
And "action" is still not a word for that, IMO. About " U-boats sunk ships in Jersey shore, in daylight, in front of tourists", I have said this before and I say it again: ACTION AT THE COAST OF A CONTINENT is not ACTION IN THE CONTINENT.
Londonburg
17-05-2005, 19:51
I voted for 4: Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. Didn't think Pearl Harbour counted as military action, I was sure South America wasn't involved and it seemed to me as though fighting in Antarctica was ridiculous, although I may have to reconsider.
Londonburg
17-05-2005, 19:52
By the way was Ireland involved at all?
Tekania
17-05-2005, 20:23
Depends on what is meant "action". I would set it at about 5 or 6.

Europe, Asia and Africa are pretty straigh forward, with military ground action.

However, there were major sea-battles just off the coast of North America and South America... which could construe them as seeing "action".

Also, depening on how you define "australia" would vary as well, possibly placing it in the action zone as well (if you encompass Australia, New Zealand and the Philipines as a "group" continent.
Matchopolis
17-05-2005, 20:51
First of all, South America wasn't involved.


Battle of Rio de la Plata. If a submarine shooting at a fort counts this should too. Naval engagement between the British and the Germans in 1939 between Uruguay and Argentina. The infamous heavy cruiser/ pocket battleship Graf Spee docked for repairs in Montevideo, Uruguay but was bottled up by a British force. Crew scuttled the ship and the Captain killed himself.
Matchopolis
17-05-2005, 20:54
japsies

quite possibly the GAYEST slur I've ever heard, try Nips
Fan Grenwick
17-05-2005, 21:04
North America
Africa
Europe
Australia (source of military bases and allied forces)
Asia

I don't know if South America had any forces in the War, but they officially had generally "neutral" ports, but quite often supported the Nazi regime.
The Antarctic is included is you want to include the exploration that the SS did there.
Harlesburg
18-05-2005, 06:23
5

North america(Pearl harbor, the japanese balloon bombs)
Europe(no exp. needed)
Africa(Torch, egypt, etc)
Asia(Eastern, CBI, Japan)
Australia(I dont believe in the actual nation of australia, but new zealand or whatever).
Ha I love this! ;)
Lacadaemon
18-05-2005, 06:27
Who answered 2? Come on, own up.
Lacadaemon
18-05-2005, 06:28
By the way was Ireland involved at all?

Yes, they denied britian the access to harbors that they were obliged to provide under existing treaties, and they refueled German U-Boats.

Still, that's all in the past.
Harlesburg
18-05-2005, 06:45
Yes, they denied britian the access to harbors that they were obliged to provide under existing treaties, and they refueled German U-Boats.

Still, that's all in the past.
Yeah and they were more thsn happy to take any and everyone prisoner! :D
The Teaties were arse anyway!
Madnestan
22-05-2005, 14:38
quite possibly the GAYEST slur I've ever heard, try Nips

OOC: OH ffs man, pull yourself together! I know it must be hard for you to find a boyfriend, especially beeing as dumb as you seem to be, but even if you are so desperate try to get a man from some other forum. Crying about a way to say Japanese, without even TRYING to understand the issue or to come up with an opinion about it, and using the word gay with such size makes you look like an idiot. And gay. But im sure this will not come as surprise to you, beeing an idiot gay for years must have made you noticed it by yourself, too.
The Lightning Star
22-05-2005, 15:51
For the last time, N. America WAS invaded!

From Wikipedia: During World War II, the Aleutian islands were occupied by Japanese forces when Attu and Kiska were invaded in order to divert American forces away from the main Japanese attack at Midway Atoll. The United States, having broken the Japanese military codes, knew that this was a diversion and did not expend large amounts of effort defending the islands. Some Americans were taken to Japan as prisoners of war. Most of the civilian population of the Aleutians were interned by the United States in camps in the Alaska Panhandle. American forces fought the Japanese on Attu and regained control of the islands.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands#History) is the page.