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Xbox 360, November 2005 release
PS3, Possible 2005 release
Nintendo Revolution, 2006 release

The X360 is looking pretty damn good, and this comes from a PS2-lover, Xbox-hater. The leaked images are already out, and official info came out yesterday. I gotta admit, if the PS3 doesn't have equal or superior games and hardware I'll have to switch to Microsoft.

But the PS3 has yet to be revealed. Nor has the Revolution.

Any thoughts? Concerns? Complaints? Colodians that have escaped my wrath?

As a beloved Xbox owner, I think the 360 is going to be amazing but I think that the PS3 is going to come out on top with the new processor. HOWEVER - I strongly believe that the Nintendo Revolution is going to mop the floor with both, X360 and PS3...

EDIT: 'Twas the opinion of my brother.

I stopped getting excited or even slightly interested in these sorts of things several generations ago. You can spend hundreds of quid on one of these things, and within a few months the technology within them will be obsolete anyway. IMO, game developers/producers are focussing too much on graphics these days, and not enough on storyline and gameplay. That accusation applies to EA Games especially. If there are enough games on one of those consoles that I like, I might buy it. If it seems likely that said games will be ported over to PC shortly after, I won't bother. Same as all the other generations of recent years.

Xbox 360 (if I'm not wrong):

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/2522964530774831.jpg

...The leaked images are already out...remember the "leaked" images of the original XBOX ???

they were sharp looking...
nothing to do with the ugly bulky black box they shiped months later.

Xbox 360 (if I'm not wrong):

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/2522964530774831.jpg
...that looks like a PC

remember the "leaked" images of the original XBOX ???

they sweet were looking...
nothing to do with the ugly bulky black box they shiped months later.
No, I wasn't into video games when the Xbox was released.

...that looks like a PC
Psht... it was made by Microsoft - what do you expect?

i will only buy one if the price is right. if they are too expensive i will just continue my days with a PS2...

Psht... it was made by Microsoft - what do you expect?
fair point

No, I wasn't into video games when the Xbox was released.
http://www.wayoftherodent.com/wilbur/xbox-prototype.jpg

http://www.thenewgamer.com/img/screens/000047_2.jpg

There's fears the PS3 might flop, becausethe Cell processor design will involve massively different programming practices. If enough games companies sign on, however, it should be a success.

I hate EA, except for TimeSplitters. That series be teh shiz.

In that shot posted by Perezuela, it looks tiny. Which I guess is good, if it's powerful. I didn't get my X-Box until last December, so it was actually reasonably priced, so I don't know about this one. If Nintendo wants to get back into the game(heheheh....no pun intended...but it would have been cool if I did intend it), this Revolution thingy will have to be really good. I got a Gamecube and it had zilch that was unique. It had good games, but they were released everywhere else too. They really screwed themselves by making Zelda cel-shaded, no matter what the story is like, screens like that scare off customers, at least it scared me off. What confuses me now is that I think they're making the new Zelda game for Gamecube, which seems mentally impaired, because this new system is coming out in a year. I have know idea what they're doing, maybe the time zone thing has them losing touch with American(or wherever else they play games....Europe maybe) gamers.

http://www.gameconsoleskins.com/skins/xbox/pro360/img/skin/516/4.jpg

http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/xbox2/xbox-360-system.jpg
Well if it looks like that, the thing'll be tight as hell.

I hate EA, except for TimeSplitters. That series be teh shiz.


Timesplitters 2 was done by Eidos.

I can't believe EA is doing Timesplitters 3. I pray to God that they don't ruin it like they ruined Bond after Rare made Goldeneye.

Timesplitters 2 was done by Eidos.

I can't believe EA is doing Timesplitters 3. I pray to God that they don't ruin it like they ruined Bond after Rare made Goldeneye.

I remember that...Goldeneye was such an amazing game...great music too. Facility was kind of creepy....too many gas tanks. Oh man, and bunker on 00 Agent. Dang, that was tough.

I am a converted Nintendo over to Xbox, and PS2. I currently share a healthy amount of skepticism. I can't find much info on the PS3, or Revolution, but from what I've seen (MS-sanctioned) Xbox 360 1 teraflop. Jesus that is 1 TRILLION calculations per second imagine how it will look. And I first bought the Xbox because I fell in love with Halo at someone else's house and I decided I must have an Xbox. I've found a haystack load of good games for the Xbox, and that my investment was totally worth it. I will expect the same thing from the Xbox 360. The PS2 had a lot more variety and lacked a bit in graphics and speed, and that a lot of PS2 games where on the Xbox and I decided if I wa sgoing to buy the same game, might as well get the better looking one. :rolleyes: KillZone was a huge disappointment ( :mad: ) so I've become a bit suspicious of what PS3 has to offer. EA with the exception of Timesplitters has really made me sick lately. And as a mature gamer (17) Nintendo continues to disappoint. Though for a big group of people, Mario Party is still enjoyable. And I haven't heard anything out of Revolution outside of disturbing rumours (eats children, 3D projection, soft controllers that will sense touch, okay I made the first one up) but I'm still very skeptical of it. Nintendo disappointed me when they dropped Rare and everything.

Nintendo disappointed me when they dropped Rare and everything.
they dropped Rare? that was a bit stupid, they made some great games for the N64 (the last Nintento console i owned)

they dropped Rare? that was a bit stupid, they made some great games for the N64 (the last Nintento console i owned)


Goldeneye comes to mind first, because I was talking about it before, but they also made some other ones I think, it was some time ago.

The thing I remember most about rare is Donkey Kong Country and DKC 2 for SNES. Those were some incredible games. The Lost World(from DKC2) was pretty trippy though.

they dropped Rare? that was a bit stupid, they made some great games for the N64 (the last Nintento console i owned)


No, Rare was purchased by Microsoft if I recall correctly. I remember there was a lot of drama surrounding that a few years ago.

Does no one care about the Nintendo 5? ( AKA Revulation ). It's gonna be awsome, Backwards compatible with gamecube. Flash Movie cards. Controllers with no buttons!

XBOX 360 shall kick ass as well.

PS3, will such as did the PS2, and PS1.

Rare made the two games that helped define the First Person Shooter Genre, games like Goldeneye 64 and Perfect Dark 64. These were the reason I stuck to Nintendo for so long, and why I love First Person Shooters. Goldeneye 64 really made Multiplayer work and Perfect Dark created this storyline and expaned on GE 64. When EA took over the Bond thing I was disappointed. Everythign or Nothing was large and exceeded my expectations but this is what I expect of EA so that isnt' saying much. EoN's storyline and SP missions were nice but the MP was pointless. So I'm sure the PS3 and Xbox 360 will both wow me and be a good steady console with solid returns and stuff, but I don't trust Nintendo. The little minidisc thing that can't play DVDs when everybody else is doing it was weird. And cell-shaded Zelda.... :mp5:

http://www.wayoftherodent.com/wilbur/xbox-prototype.jpg

Now that's just silly. You said the one they released is bulky?

I had an Xbox initially but sold it for lack of good games (right before all the good games came out :headbang: ) and bought a PS2. Needed some cash for an emergency (and HATED the f'n controllers) so I sold the PS2. I've been playing my Dreamcast and waiting for the price of PSPs to come down to buy one of those...and waiting for the 360 to come out to buy one of those.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6124293/index.html

Here's the lastest on the X-Box 360 from Gamespot.

GameSpot editors sat down for a frank powwow with top Microsoft executives to discuss all aspects of the Xbox 360. Vice president and chief XNA architect J Allard, as well as chief Xbox officer Robbie Bach, reflected on some of the lessons learned from the first Xbox

That might be worth reading...

I really wanted a Dreamcast, but the day I saved enough for it, they all vanished. That was when like people discovered there was no copy protection on the discs and the Dreamcast couldn't handle it. So they made copies of games and put CD-images online and the fans ruined their system. Kinda ironic isn't it?

I just got an Xbox for Christmas, and I love it. This new Xbox looks pretty cool, and yesterday on TV, I saw some actual gameplay, which was incredible. I hope that its reasonablely priced though. Backwards compatible would be awesome. Let's pray!

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=other
First official news from Nintendo about the Revolution. Nothing too specific, but then again that's how Nintendo operates.

And I'm not sad about Nintendo loosing Rare to Microsoft. Sure, they made Perfect Dark and Goldeneye, but they made Starfox Adventures. That was unexcusable.

I'm really not sure on all this. The XBox 360 looks great, yet we haven't seen what the PS3 can do. And then there's Nintendo's Revolution, which nobody knows a damn thing about.

I'll need more information before I can make a reasonable decision.

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=other
First official news from Nintendo about the Revolution. Nothing too specific, but then again that's how Nintendo operates.

And I'm not sad about Nintendo loosing Rare to Microsoft. Sure, they made Perfect Dark and Goldeneye, but they made Starfox Adventures. That was unexcusable.

Sounds good to me.

Oh yeah, and Nintendo dropping Rare was a good decision. Remember Grabbed By The Ghoulies? Horrible!

Sounds good to me.

Oh yeah, and Nintendo dropping Rare was a good decision. Remember Grabbed By The Ghoulies? Horrible!
yea, but then remember Goldeneye, Donkey Kong 64 (in fact, most of the Donkey Kong games they did) and Perfect Dark

What's funny is that as soon as Rare left Nintendo...they started sucking. Sorry to be so crude, but what have they released? That Ghouls game? Apparently, Nintendo wisely ditched a sinking ship...

Sounds good to me.

Oh yeah, and Nintendo dropping Rare was a good decision. Remember Grabbed By The Ghoulies? Horrible!Yeah, Microsoft really got the short end of the stick on that deal.

Rare made great games up until they were dropped. Obviously, Nintendo saw what Rare had in production, and they didn't see a bright future. They made a wise decision.

Looks like they're doing everything right.

XBox was the best of the modern generation. It looks like it'll be the best of the next. I honestly don't think Nintendo has the resources to outdo it, and PS has a mastery of being half-ass. It has some wonderful games, but floods the market with cruddy games between them. Just not sexy.

The XBOX360 looks amazing, but I'll wait for Sony and Nintendo to unveil their NGEN systems before I make a final decision.

Last night on the official 360 reveiling on MTV (Yeah, I know) the people from Rare were talking about how in Perfect Dark Zero (The 360's Halo-killer) they are getting more than 5,000 polygons per character with the hardware. Then I remembered how in Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube Leon and most of the characters had upwards of 10,000 polygons. I saw that 1 + 1 did not equal 2 but 1. The 360 must not be fully complete, which it should be on the official reveiling.

XBox is made by Microsoft, and I refuse to put more money in that bastard's pocket. I remember when the first Pretendo came out, and it sucked. Then the Sega Genesis came out and kicked ass (for it's memory capabilities). Then Pretendo came out with an upgrade (the 64? or was it Super Pretendo?), which still wasn't better than the Genesis. Guess what I'm saying is that Pretendo has always sucked and probably always will. So by default I'm a GayStation man. I wish there were better alternatives out there.

All I need to know is that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion will be released for the new XBox.

I've seen supposed pictures of the XBox 360, but nothing official, yet. I don't like the Xbox that much, so, I won't be purchasing a 360.

I'm not looking forward to the PS/3 either, I think if they really wanted to release something rocking, they wouldn't have invested so much in the slimline PS/2 and exerted their effort into the PS/3 solely.

I will only by a Nintendo Revolution when the next Zelda game comes out, it's the only reason I bought a Gamecube besides Jedi Outcast II.

I will only by a Nintendo Revolution when the next Zelda game comes out, it's the only reason I bought a Gamecube besides Jedi Outcast II.
I bought Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 2 just so I could play them on my neice and nephew's Gamecube. They rock. :D

I bought Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 2 just so I could play them on my neice and nephew's Gamecube. They rock. :D

I was planning on buying Metroid Prime 2... Then, I had to sell my Gamecube (along with the first Metroid Prime and 29 other games).

Metroid Prime is great. The map design is what makes it so fun.

I'm still a huge fan of Nintendo, and play my GameCube frequently. I have spent many hours with games like Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, Smash Bros (of course), and F-Zero GX. The GameCube rocks, in my opinion, and I look forward to the next console (though it will probably take me a while to buy it).

I've seen some specs for the PS3 's cell processor online. If they are accurate then the PS3 will top everything in terms of raw power.
The most interesting element is the potential to network with and distribute processing tasks to other cell based devices.
If your PS3 has too much slowdown whe running your favorite game just buy a new toaster and put them together.

I've just brought a DS, so no buying new consols for me. :(

I'm avoiding right now looking into Forza for fear that it is the game I was hoping GT4 would be, a sim game that I could take my hot rods against others on-line. I was able to dismiss Gotham for its focus on 'kudos' and that the cars came as packaged. On-line it seemed like pulling teeth to get people to race anything other than Enzos.

So far XBox has not come out with anything (other than Forza, but again-not going to look) that I've been all that interested in playing. I don't like Halo in the least and don't know why I'm supposed to. Before I get a lot of crap for that, I'm not a fan of shooters. I understand that about myself, so you'll note I did not say it sucked. I only said that I don't like it and don't know why I should. I should also add that I don't care, because I don't like shooters all that much.

My GT4 playing dropped off suddenly. I'm sure I'll go back to it, but that was a little shocking to me considering how much I would play the other iterations. I also stopped playing GTA:San Andreas rather suddenly, without of ever getting out of the first city, so I think there is something else in effect. Though I think I played Saturday Night Thunder longer than both combined.

I'll probably just go with the PS3 out of default. I don't like MicroSoft as a company (not that Sony is some sort of pillar of integrity...) and while there are some games on the Ninetendo that are playable for me, there are not enough for me to buy it.

Really it's racing sims that keep me coming and so far PS is the one that does that best. And it has the best controller ever made.

Really it's racing sims that keep me coming and so far PS is the one that does that best. And it has the best controller ever made.

Not to mention that they don't change the controller with every generation, which is useful in that you don't have to learn your way around again...

Not to mention that they don't change the controller with every generation, which is useful in that you don't have to learn your way around again...
Amen to that.

Have you heard of nintendos new controllers? They lack STicks or buttons. It's Nintendos idea of making games easier to control. They are giant touchpads that light up.

Have you heard of nintendos new controllers? They lack STicks or buttons. It's Nintendos idea of making games easier to control. They are giant touchpads that light up.I've heard it will have a gyroscope and pressure sensitive areas.

Oh no, another religion-thread!

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg
I think Sony hates us.

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg
I think Sony hates us.

My god, it looks almost as bad as the Dreamcast controller!

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg
I think Sony hates us.
My god, what are they thinking?


I...I just have to be alone for a moment...

Xbox 360 sounds good. It's the one I'll probably end up begging for 'round Christmas time.

Slightly OT, I read on ign.com that the price on next gen games will be $10 more. It's hard for me, as a teen with an allowance of only $1 a week, to keep up with the demanding prices of games already! Now they want to raise the price to $60 per game? We can't buy any games if we're already out of money! :mad:

Xbox 360 sounds good. It's the one I'll probably end up begging for 'round Christmas time.

Slightly OT, I read on ign.com that the price on next gen games will be $10 more. It's hard for me, as a teen with an allowance of only $1 a week, to keep up with the demanding prices of games already! Now they want to raise the price to $60 per game? We can't buy any games if we're already out of money! :mad:

$1 a WEEK? Fuck, man... That's terrible! Remind me to send you some money when I get some myself ;).

Xbox 360 sounds good. It's the one I'll probably end up begging for 'round Christmas time.

Slightly OT, I read on ign.com that the price on next gen games will be $10 more. It's hard for me, as a teen with an allowance of only $1 a week, to keep up with the demanding prices of games already! Now they want to raise the price to $60 per game? We can't buy any games if we're already out of money! :mad:
Wow...a $1 allowance is almost worse than no allowance at all...

$1 a WEEK? Fuck, man... That's terrible! Remind me to send you some money when I get some myself ;).
Especially since I've been growing up in the suburbs and most of my friends get 3-10 times that much. :eek:

Especially since I've been growing up in the suburbs and most of my friends get 3-10 times that much. :eek:
....$3 a week?

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/866/050517i4cn.jpg
I think Sony hates us.
No way they'd use that.

First off, it looks like complete crap.
Second, Sony is gonna do what Microsoft did. Use the same basic layout of the Dualshock 2 for the PS3 controller.
Third, wtf...I don't have thumbs that can reach those analog or shoulder buttons!

Rumored Revolution logo... (http://img.engadget.com/common/images/7706026482525560.JPG?0.5053648655811309)

What's up with those crescent moon or boomerang shaped controllers Sony has? Too weird for me and looks like a regular PS2 button layout mapped on a different shape.

Just head over to IGN or Gamespot for any info on new systems. E3 is now going on.

You guys want to know why Rare suddenly began sucking?

David Doak(had cameo as Dr. Doak in Goldeneye game) and another important man left Rare during the development of Perfect Dark and founded Free Radical, the developers of Time Splitters!

Yes, these new systems are going to rock but they won't have the classic just pick up and play arcade feel as systems like the Neo Geo, Genesis, and SNES. Then again, the current systems don't either and in fact these systems only had like a small lifespan compared to the classic systems esp in Asia as like NES support stopped there like last year and last year also was when the Neo Geo system was finally dropped as well.

Ho damn, that's almost beautiful...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614619/e3-2005-ps3-official-20050516044920450-000.jpg

I'm torn now.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614727/e3-2005-playstation-3-the-system-20050516054238202-000.jpg

Well done...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614736/e3-2005-playstation-3-the-controller-20050516055049042-000.jpg


Oh fuck I'm gonna puke.

....$3 a week?
$3-$10. It seems like a ridiculously large amount to me! :p

Of course, I do get $200's worth for my un-birthday party, and then up to $200-$400's worth for Christmas.

Well at least you have the option of using your PSP as a controller...

Oh and yay...backwards compatability! w00t><0rz

Well at least you have the option of using your PSP as a controller...
Me like me PSP. Is loverly PSP. Me need games for PSP. Me out of money. Me sad. :(

Ho damn, that's almost beautiful...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614619/e3-2005-ps3-official-20050516044920450-000.jpg

I'm torn now.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614727/e3-2005-playstation-3-the-system-20050516054238202-000.jpg

Well done...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614736/e3-2005-playstation-3-the-controller-20050516055049042-000.jpg


Oh fuck I'm gonna puke.

As an avid Sony PS and PS2 fan, I second your notions of puking. That is frikin beautiful! Its not like that ugly-PC-looking XSux360. =)

-Sry, the Xbox is good...but I love PS2 games...alot better. Don't get me wrong, Halo n Halo 2 was good.

I actually wanted to puke from the terrible controller. But the console itself is wonderful.

I'm thinking I can bypass the controller problem with a PSP that I plan on getting.

Me like me PSP. Is loverly PSP. Me need games for PSP. Me out of money. Me sad. :(

Are you proud of your new-found PSPness?

<.<

Anyone else notice that the font used on the PS3 looks just like the font on the Spiderman 2 movie poster?

I actually wanted to puke from the terrible controller. But the console itself is wonderful.

I'm thinking I can bypass the controller problem with a PSP that I plan on getting.

Lol, oh ok. Yeah, the controller does look horrid. It looks like a flying saucer thing...they should stick to the old one...the old one actually looks good.

Anyone else notice that the font used on the PS3 looks just like the font on the Spiderman 2 movie poster?

Weird...I jus noticed that too...well Sony does own the picture...technically they can do whatever they want with it.

Oh and uh...Xbox 360 users will get SOME backwards capability

BUT

FFXI with full Xbox Live features!

I can't imagine a company trying to compete with a new system that isn't backwards compatible, especially when XBox had such a hard time generating library. Right now thats my biggest strike against it(the XBox). I don't need to pay $150 to play the same games with a controller I hate to have games look only slightly better, and the exclusive games have yet to appeal to me. (though, again-I don't like shooters and I'm ignoring Forza...)

With that stupid boomerang...where they sitting around going, "Hey, these shoulder buttons are in too natural a postition, lets make them hard to get to-ooh, and lets make the thumbsticks akward too!!!

Or are they trying to force me to buy a PSP to avoid that monstrousity? Those devious bastards...

Details on the PS3, looks good so far.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?q=1

Sony is going to dominate the NGEN just because of its huge ass fanbase.

Actually, Microsoft has got Sony in a chokehold.

Think about it. They now have Square Enix. They got the one of the Jap's favorite game makers in the palm of their hands.

And Gates himself, the devious bastard, is planning on releasing Halo 3 at or around the same time as the release of the PS3. I think he especially means to derail the PS3.

Now you wonder why would people pick Halo 3 over the PS3. But surely you remember how crazy everyone went over the release of Halo 2.

Actually, Microsoft has got Sony in a chokehold.

Think about it. They now have Square Enix. They got the one of the Jap's favorite game makers in the palm of their hands.

And Gates himself, the devious bastard, is planning on releasing Halo 3 at or around the same time as the release of the PS3. I think he especially means to derail the PS3.

Now you wonder why would people pick Halo 3 over the PS3. But surely you remember how crazy everyone went over the release of Halo 2.
I think you are mistaken, they do not have Square Enix, they have the creator of Final Fantasy, Hinorobu Sakaguchi(sp?). He's not even vital anymore to the FF series, since more younger and imaginative producers have taken over the series. There are no FFs or any other Square Enix game planned for XBOX 360. Halo 3, I will guarantee will not hurt PS3, if anything it will hurt Halo, what do you think most casual gamers will choose, a brand spanking new top of the line system or just another game? When most casual gamers think of games, they think of Sony, not MS. Plus Halo 2 was a dissapointment to many Halo fans like me.

Plus the PS3 is backwards compatible, that alone will draw many of the huge ass PS2 fanbase into PS3's fold.

I just read the Jolt deally on the PS3. It has a lot of gobble-dee gook that I can't f'n understand-but I'm no techy. Though I don't remember what system it was (maybe the PS2) but the last time I thought someone got all clever with a chip set programers wheren't all that keen, taking them awhile to figure out what to do with it.

I couldn't figure out, looking at it, how many controller ports it had. Honestly, looked like three-which I would dismiss if it wheren't for the fact that it also supports seven bluetooth controllers. Seven? That seems like a weird number...

Anyway, looks slick.

As a beloved Xbox owner, I think the 360 is going to be amazing but I think that the PS3 is going to come out on top with the new processor.
the PS3's CELL processor is going to kick the shit out of everything else out there, including PCs, if the information released by Sony is to be believed. PCFormat did a big article on it a couple of issues back and its quite incredible - with each PS3 sporting three or four of them (i forget), they say that if you were to run three PS3s in parrallel the processing power would equal that of the most powerful supercomputers in the world :eek:
from what i remember they work on the basis of having essentially 8 normal processors within a single chip, with each one being an indipendent 'cell' with its own on-board RAM. they can then either work on a seperate process each, work in parallel on a single process, or work on different parts/calculations of a process, passing the results on from one to another in a chain. this allows for unparralelled computing power, if to be believed

that said, promises of technology often dissapoint.

besides its the games that make the console, with all of them being of comparible graphics power anyway (the xbox 360 has three triple core processors running at 3.2 Ghz each... impressive (specs (http://www.jolt.co.uk/index.php?articleid=3895))). sadly i don't know much about the games planned for the three consoles so i can't really say on this matter, but in terms of technology, as a current xbox owner, i'm fairly tempted for the first time ever to get a Playstation...

then again i hardly play games anymore, so getting any of them would really be a waste of money:(

edit: i also don't like the new MS offering's name... Xbox 360 sounds like some lame snowboarding game, not a console - but it does look cool.
also, hasn't the exclusivity deal between Sony and Rockstar (makers of GTA) finally come completely to an end? i read the contract ended at the end of 2004, but they were already committed to bringing out San Andreas in the summer (yeah i know its not been complete exclusivity for some time, but now GTA can be released for all the consoles at the same time... if Nintendo will let their kiddies play it;))

The PS3, like the PS2 will be bought more as a fashion acessory, rather than for it's gameplay. The X-Box is popular among the nerdy side of the gaming world (I should know, I want one!), and Nintendo are just unpopular, despite making some fantastic games. The reason? They don't advertise enough, and they don't go all out to promote their system.

Nintendo have made some of the best games i've ever played... Skies of Arcadia, Super Mario, Rouge Squadron...

It's just a shame that as usual the fashion world dictates what people buy.

From the Microsoft promo video of the 360, it still looks like it's a big box to me. They're trying to make it appear smaller with the concave sides, and holding it like it doesn't weigh much (without the transformer I bet) but it's still obviously a big unit.

...that looks like a PC

I think it is a PC (at least in spirit)... Oh well, best of luck to Microsoft (yeah, right) but I still hope that the PS3 wipes the floor with it... and I didn't know about a new Nintendo, although I could have guessed...

The PS3, like the PS2 will be bought more as a fashion acessory, rather than for it's gameplay. The X-Box is popular among the nerdy side of the gaming world (I should know, I want one!), and Nintendo are just unpopular, despite making some fantastic games. The reason? They don't advertise enough, and they don't go all out to promote their system.

Nintendo have made some of the best games i've ever played... Skies of Arcadia, Super Mario, Rouge Squadron...

It's just a shame that as usual the fashion world dictates what people buy.

Too true... I just finished Resident Evil 4 on my GameCube, and thought it was one of the best games ever. I've tried games on the other consoles, but the GC is the only one with games that really last. (Unless you count DDR, but that's on my PS1.)

I'm really unconcerned, because they'll all start out at around $400 to $500, just like the last generation did when they came out, and by the time they drop down to $200...

(the most I will personally pay for a console...if I want to blow $500 on games, I'll just get a PC)

...the next generation will be in development, and set to release a year after I buy whichever console appeals to me. This has already happened to me, since I bought an X-Box in November and now the next gen is set to release in *gasp* November.

That said, if 360 turns out to not be backwards compatable (nothing official on that yet, I believe, but that is a bad sign), then I will probably sell my X-Box.

lol....everyone remembers when PS1 and Sega Saturn came out, right? Starting price was, what, $399?? :rolleyes:

Too true... I just finished Resident Evil 4 on my GameCube, and thought it was one of the best games ever. I've tried games on the other consoles, but the GC is the only one with games that really last. (Unless you count DDR, but that's on my PS1.)

I played Skies of Arcadia and loved it. It is quite litteraly my FAVE GAME OF ALL TIME. It took me over 2 months of solid gameplay to complete, and I loved every minute of it. The Airship battles, the great storyline, the Gigas... oh man it rocked.

It's a shame that they didn't make a sequel. But alas I forsee the fall of nintendo in the next decade. And to think they used to be up the top, fighting with Sega...

Especially since I've been growing up in the suburbs and most of my friends get 3-10 times that much. :eek:

dude that sucks even the 3 to 10 times, why dont you get a job?

Skies of Arcadia was actually a DC game first. Nintendo however are the best games company out there, the GC cost under half what the PS2 did and had some of the best games I have had the privelige of playing. No other console has the sheer number of great games Nintendo are pumping out.

And as for the new GC Zelda game... :upyours: Sony and Microsoft.

I pity the PS2 in some ways, it got all of the crap games with very few of this generations great games and pretty much none of their greats were exclusive.

Did anyone else loathe the introduction of that hideous GameCube controller? I mean, the N64 was the best controller design ever, not cluttered, no c-joystick BS that instantly put me off of the GameCube.

Nintendo should quit while they're ahead. The Revolution is going to suck.
I'm looking forward to the PS-3, but they need to keep with the rock-solid tradition of the PS-2 controller.

At least the GC controller was comfortable (barring the C-stick, it's too small) the PS2 felt really clunky and clicky, the Xbox one was best IMO although the triggers were a bit light to pull.

I played Skies of Arcadia and loved it. It is quite litteraly my FAVE GAME OF ALL TIME. It took me over 2 months of solid gameplay to complete, and I loved every minute of it. The Airship battles, the great storyline, the Gigas... oh man it rocked.

It's a shame that they didn't make a sequel. But alas I forsee the fall of nintendo in the next decade. And to think they used to be up the top, fighting with Sega...

That must be Skies of Arcadia Legends right? The original SoA was on the Dreamcast... I've never played it, but maybe I should. Right now I'm playing Baten Kaitos (Which is pretty good apart from the dismal voice acting) and I've finished Tales of Symphonia (which rocked).

Heh... now Nintendo works together with what's left of Sega in creating games. Wouldn't have believed that 10 years ago. Nintendo started going downhill with the N64, which by the way is the only Nintendo console I've never owned. I hope the next console provides the rejuvenation they need.

Did anyone else loathe the introduction of that hideous GameCube controller? I mean, the N64 was the best controller design ever, not cluttered, no c-joystick BS that instantly put me off of the GameCube.

Nintendo should quit while they're ahead. The Revolution is going to suck.
I'm looking forward to the PS-3, but they need to keep with the rock-solid tradition of the PS-2 controller.

Oh please the PS has always had the worst controller ever. Horribly sticky (Even with the analogue pad), buttons jammed on every controller I ever tried, and on one occasion, my friends PS exploded!

That made me resent sony. Besides, every game I played on the PS1/2, I either completed in less that 5 hours or utterly resented it. The only good things to come out of the PS was Grand Theft Auto, and Final Fantasy VII (Now theres an exceptional game.), and both were better on the PC.

PS is nothing more than a pathetic fashion acessory, and a sorry excuse for entertainment. Admittedly the PS2 was better, but it still needs room for improvement. My current fave console remains the GC, with the Gaming PC a close second. I say if you want Microsofts games, get a damn PC and don't waste money on that oversized block.

Did anyone else loathe the introduction of that hideous GameCube controller? I mean, the N64 was the best controller design ever, not cluttered, no c-joystick BS that instantly put me off of the GameCube.

My opinion is the exact opposite. I hated the N64 controller, partly because of the absurd 3-hand design, partly because the analog stick always made my thumb sore. I find the GC controller fits perfectly in my hands, and the wireless Wavebird is the best invention ever. As for the C-stick, most games don't use it very much anyway, but in those that do I've never had any problems with it.

That must be Skies of Arcadia Legends right? The original SoA was on the Dreamcast... I've never played it, but maybe I should.

Gamecube enhanced the Graphics and added some cool extras. SoA made me like Sega once more. I had recently hated it for it's failures, but SoA made me realise that Sega still has life in it.

I hope their ability to make great games continues.

Oh please the PS has always had the worst controller ever. Horribly sticky (Even with the analogue pad), buttons jammed on every controller I ever tried, and on one occasion, my friends PS exploded!

That made me resent sony. Besides, every game I played on the PS1/2, I either completed in less that 5 hours or utterly resented it. The only good things to come out of the PS was Grand Theft Auto, and Final Fantasy VII (Now theres an exceptional game.), and both were better on the PC.

PS is nothing more than a pathetic fashion acessory, and a sorry excuse for entertainment. Admittedly the PS2 was better, but it still needs room for improvement. My current fave console remains the GC, with the Gaming PC a close second. I say if you want Microsofts games, get a damn PC and don't waste money on that oversized block.

Go TIN!

Though I gotta admit the PS1 did have a few other good games, like Legacy of Kain and Broken Sword, and I really liked FF8 too. Also, as I said before, the Dance Dance Revolution games are on the PS1.

An exploding PS?!! :eek: Wish I could've seen that! Then again. Maybe not.

An exploding PS?!! :eek: Wish I could've seen that! Then again. Maybe not.

Not so much exploding... it started sparking and caught fire, which caused some unusual popping sounds.

Oh please the PS has always had the worst controller ever. Horribly sticky (Even with the analogue pad), buttons jammed on every controller I ever tried, and on one occasion, my friends PS exploded!

That made me resent sony. Besides, every game I played on the PS1/2, I either completed in less that 5 hours or utterly resented it. The only good things to come out of the PS was Grand Theft Auto, and Final Fantasy VII (Now theres an exceptional game.), and both were better on the PC.

PS is nothing more than a pathetic fashion acessory, and a sorry excuse for entertainment. Admittedly the PS2 was better, but it still needs room for improvement. My current fave console remains the GC, with the Gaming PC a close second. I say if you want Microsofts games, get a damn PC and don't waste money on that oversized block.
I can't help but look at people who think the PS controller sucks and actually like the Playskool Nintendo controllers like someone who has just said, "Crank-start cars have always been better than ones with ignitions."

I am the worst when it comes to not being able to have nice things and I still use my dual shock from my PS1 as my second controller. Maybe you shouldn't dip your controller in soda before using it...

Stunned, stunned I say.

Here's one that I know will cut to the bone for you TIN--Coop uses a PS controller...because it's better...

(all in good fun, just in case)

Not so much exploding... it started sparking and caught fire, which caused some unusual popping sounds.

lol. :cool: still woulda been an interesting sight.

I never had any problems with my PS1 whatsoever. With some of the games, yes, but that probably had more to do with the discs being scratched... One of my controllers eventually got sticky, but that happens after years and years of pounding the buttons (there's alot of kids in this townhouse complex)...

My brother now has a PS2. I think I'LL be getting the PS3 :p

Your hands hurt after using the PS controllers for a few hours, although admittedly it's not a unique problem - I also have this with my SideWinder game pad (a cheap one which I bought for $25 AUD).

Here's one that I know will cut to the bone for you TIN--Coop uses a PS controller...because it's better...

(all in good fun, just in case)

Do you also notice he tends to press the wrong button and do bad things? :D

If he had a GC controller I bet he'd do better... But I do wonder what that huge gold controller he had was for...

Do you also notice he tends to press the wrong button and do bad things? :D

If he had a GC controller I bet he'd do better... But I do wonder what that huge gold controller he had was for...
All of his buttons do bad things.

All of his buttons do bad things.

My fave was the button labeled "General Pummeling." :D

My fave was the button labeled "General Pummeling." :D
Wasn't there one where he was looking for a 'Save the World' button and could only find the 'Destroy the World' button? Something like that. I only watched because it was the lead in to Adult Swim (and it was pretty funny)

PS3. Australian for PS2.

I think you are mistaken, they do not have Square Enix, they have the creator of Final Fantasy, Hinorobu Sakaguchi(sp?). He's not even vital anymore to the FF series, since more younger and imaginative producers have taken over the series. There are no FFs or any other Square Enix game planned for XBOX 360. Halo 3, I will guarantee will not hurt PS3, if anything it will hurt Halo, what do you think most casual gamers will choose, a brand spanking new top of the line system or just another game? When most casual gamers think of games, they think of Sony, not MS. Plus Halo 2 was a dissapointment to many Halo fans like me.

Plus the PS3 is backwards compatible, that alone will draw many of the huge ass PS2 fanbase into PS3's fold.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614936p1.html

I wonder why people are still falling for all that ridiculous marketing BS that Sony's spurting out. Not that the others would do it better, it's just that Sony is the hype machine itself.

I personally will judge the PS3 as soon as I have seen ingame footage that really is ingame footage.

And concerning Cell tech.

Well, is it even confirmed which chip it is goint to use, ie how much Hyperthreading you can do? How easy is it going to be to develop for it? Will it be a bitch like the PS2?

We will see.

As for the 'console wars', i think the next generation is going to come down to a few important things. 1) Will they be backwards compatible. The main reason i stayed with Sony and bought a PS2 was because it was backwards compatible. I think the 2nd biggest thing to consider is online play.

In regards to the 360, last i heard they were still mum on backwards compatibility - which makes me think it won't be (plus they'd have to pay royalties to the maker of the previous chipset - i doubt MS would do that). As for online play, from what i've seen so far, it looks like MS is definetly headed in the right direction for that.

Sony has been completely quiet about both, but everyone is hoping to hear something at E3. My hope is that the PS3 will ship complete, cause it pissed me off to no end that i had to buy anything and everything (network adapter, 2nd controller, eye toy [i didn't buy the eye toy, but if i want that peripherial, i'd have to buy it], etc,.)

As for Nintendo - it's pure gaming. No DVD movies or using it for anything but gaming. I like the versitility of Xbox and PS2.

All in all, i think announcements at E3 are going to be the deciding factor on how i'm going to go with next gen console purchase(s).

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614936p1.html
I meant a real FF game. After playing FFXI on the PC, all I can say is meh. Square Enix would be stupid to not develop games for Sony.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/19/technology/personaltech/playboy_psp/amysue_psp.jpg
Cyber girl Amy Sue Cooper gets medieval on the PSP.

:D :D :eek: :D

I meant a real FF game. After playing FFXI on the PC, all I can say is meh. Square Enix would be stupid to not develop games for Sony.


The FF series is one of the reasons i stuck with Sony. I didn't go for the 11 only because i wasn't interested in forking over all that money for a PS2 harddrive and game. I also didn't get X2 for various reasons. I am looking forward to XII. The few screens i've seen look awesome, but then again all Square Enix CGs tend to look great.

i hope this new Nintendo consule is better than the GameCube. i mean, the GameCube was decent, but in comparison to the PS2 and the Xbox, it really sucked.

Err... The Gamecube is much more powerful than the PS2. It only "sucks" because its library of games is nowhere near as huge as the PS2's, nor did Nintendo ever get serious about online play for the system.

It still has great games, though.

As for the 'console wars', i think the next generation is going to come down to a few important things. 1) Will they be backwards compatible. The main reason i stayed with Sony and bought a PS2 was because it was backwards compatible. I think the 2nd biggest thing to consider is online play.

In regards to the 360, last i heard they were still mum on backwards compatibility - which makes me think it won't be (plus they'd have to pay royalties to the maker of the previous chipset - i doubt MS would do that). As for online play, from what i've seen so far, it looks like MS is definetly headed in the right direction for that.

Sony has been completely quiet about both, but everyone is hoping to hear something at E3. My hope is that the PS3 will ship complete, cause it pissed me off to no end that i had to buy anything and everything (network adapter, 2nd controller, eye toy [i didn't buy the eye toy, but if i want that peripherial, i'd have to buy it], etc,.)

As for Nintendo - it's pure gaming. No DVD movies or using it for anything but gaming. I like the versitility of Xbox and PS2.

All in all, i think announcements at E3 are going to be the deciding factor on how i'm going to go with next gen console purchase(s).

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050516/sfm178.html?.v=2

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050516/sfm178.html?.v=2


Well, that's what i get for not keeping up with Sony releases... :)

*edited the exageration*
Err... The Gamecube is * more powerful than the PS2.
and the Nintendo 64 was clearly more powerfull than the PS1..and the GC was a bit more powerful than the PS2...and the XBOX was a bit more than the PS2...

and it all meant squat....PlayStation won both the ConsoleWarI and ConsoleWarII...

...can the Gates Empire Strike Back? can Darth Mario rise from the ash?

http://www.worldofnate.com/scw/images/scwshowpage_12.jpg

or will it be the retour of the Jedis all over again?

Nintedo E3 presentation going on right now. Here's a current run down.

Be able to download games from all 20 years of previous Nintendo games for fee.
12 cm disks.
Wi-fi games avalible at launch including new Super Smahs Bros Wi-fi. (Thank you God.)
Pics in here, no sign of controller yet (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140623)

Nintedo E3 presentation going on right now. Here's a current run down.

Be able to download games from all 20 years of previous Nintendo games for fee.
12 cm disks.
Wi-fi games avalible at launch including new Super Smahs Bros Wi-fi. (Thank you God.)
Pics in here, no sign of controller yet (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140623)20 years of games for free!! nice!

20 years of games for free!! nice!

Fee != free.

20 years of games for free!! nice!If only that was what I typed.

If only that was what I typed.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Damn! :D

Here's what Jolt (who's server we're posting on, ;)) says the specs are of the PS3:

Product name: PLAYSTATION® 3

CPU: Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz, 1 VMX vector unit per core, 512KB L2 cache 7 x SPE @3.2GHz, 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs , 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE. *1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy. Total floating point performance : 218 GFLOPS.

GPU: RSX @550MHz, 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance. Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels. Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines.

Sound: Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-base processing)

Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz.

System Bandwidth: Main RAM 25.6GB/s, VRAM 22.4GB/s, RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read), SB 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read).

System Floating Point Performance: 2 TFLOPS

Storage: HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O: USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0), Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1, SD standard/mini x 1, CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2), Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g, Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller: Bluetooth (up to 7), USB2.0 (wired), Wi-Fi (PSP ® ) Network (over IP)

AV Output: Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p. HDMI out x 2. AV MULTI OUT x 1. DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

CD: PlayStation ® CD-ROM, PlayStation ® 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)

DVD: PlayStation ® 2 DVD-ROM, PLAYSTATION ® 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW

Blu-ray Disc: PLAYSTATION ® 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

The controller:

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/05_s.jpg

Box design:

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/main2.jpg

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/01_s.jpg

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/04_s.jpg

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/02_s.jpg

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/picdump/_mainsite/articles/050517/ps3/03_s.jpg

The article: http://www.jolt.co.uk/index.php?articleid=3920

I still don't understand 7 controllers. How would you manage that?

What I think of this:
Microsoft - "why bother creating a goddamn console when you can just strip down a PC ,add tat to it and sell it at an overinflated price?" - yes, they ARE powerful, but then again, the PC model they were crippled from was pretty powerful itself.

Sony - "Why should we make our console as powerful as the XBOX(360) when we've already bribed thousands of companies to only produce their games for the PlayStation(2/3) for the first DOZEN MONTHS? Mwa ha ha haha haha hahahahaha<croak>!" - self explanatory.

Nintendo - "Wow, you can RUB it? Pass me more crack, Shigeru!" - No longer the nadir of console gaming, probably 'cos Nintendo does too much of the drug stuff, but Nintendo always has the good (or plain crazy) ideas first...

Sorry about that crack, man.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928379_20050516_screen003.jpg
<3

-snip-

You know what my reaction was when I saw this on Gamespot about two hours ago?

Holy Shit!

Wow !!!!!!!!

some things actually are better than sex

You should see the Formula 1 game. It looks even better.

Have you actually seen the new Nintendo Revolution and its capabilities? The thing looks like it may just put nintendo back up there as a credible alternative to the other two...the mistakes of the past will be forgiven!

You should see the Formula 1 game. It looks even better.
do you have any pics of it?

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928392_20050516_screen002.jpg

There ye go!

Oh, man. That has to be a photo. That is too awesome to express.

But then again, so is the video for TESIV: Oblivion. I nearly cried when I saw that.

Xbox 360 here, and I'm one of the original Xbox haters. (I warmed up to it later, but at first I hated it)

Oh, man. That has to be a picture. That is too awesome to express.

But then again, so is the video for TESIV: Oblivion. I nearly cried when I saw that.

Xbox 360 here, and I'm one of the original Xbox haters. (I warmed up to it later, but at first I hated it)

I dunno, man. So far, the PS3 games are looking superior (especially Formula 1).

I dunno, man. So far, the PS3 games are looking superior (especially Formula 1).YEAH...

they look so real...must be the Cell prossesor

Have you actually seen the new Nintendo Revolution and its capabilities? The thing looks like it may just put nintendo back up there as a credible alternative to the other two...the mistakes of the past will be forgiven!
I think Nintendo is probably going to be the most popular second system. The controller thing is a little odd, but if that works out, they should make out ok.

I dunno, man. So far, the PS3 games are looking superior (especially Formula 1).
It's kinda hard to tell, like when no Nintendo Revlation SCreens seem to exist yet. And not that it matters, graphics dont make a game.

It's kinda hard to tell, like when no Nintendo Revlation SCreens seem to exist yet. And not that it matters, graphics dont make a game.

Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I don't like Halo very much.

And yeah, I'm hoping to see Revolution screens soon. I wonder if Nintendo will come back...

Well, I thought that it was really ugly and I wouldnt want to waste money on it.

PS3 is kicking ass

I dunno, man. So far, the PS3 games are looking superior (especially Formula 1).
The cars look fantastic, but the track... Not so much. The asphalt is too soft, and it looks like the cars were benefiting from an anisotropic shader, so maybe that's coming. The edge of the track didn't exactly complete the illusion either.

The cars look fantastic, but the track... Not so much. The asphalt is too soft, and it looks like the cars were benefiting from an anisotropic shader, so maybe that's coming. The edge of the track didn't exactly complete the illusion either.

Yeah, but you must remember that it's almost a year away from release.

Xbox 360 sounds good. It's the one I'll probably end up begging for 'round Christmas time.

Slightly OT, I read on ign.com that the price on next gen games will be $10 more. It's hard for me, as a teen with an allowance of only $1 a week, to keep up with the demanding prices of games already! Now they want to raise the price to $60 per game? We can't buy any games if we're already out of money! :mad:
are you posting from a converted pong machine in a time warp from 1980? most teens get more like $30/week

you need to get a job

at least a paper route

are you posting from a converted pong machine in a time warp from 1980? most teens get more like $30/week

you need to get a job

at least a paper route

Or some parents who would actually give a damn.

Or some parents who would actually give a damn.nah...just get a job.
babysitting if you r a girl...paperboy/lawn-works if you r boy.

it builds character.

nah...just get a job.
babysitting if you r a girl...paperboy/lawn-works if you r boy.

Why wouldn't all three work for both?

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928392_20050516_screen002.jpg

There ye go!
holy. fuck.

the only thing that really gives it away is the dodgy BAR on the right, but jesus...thats near perfect

holy. fuck.

the only thing that really gives it away is the dodgy BAR on the right, but jesus...thats near perfect

This game alone would be worth the purchase of the PS3, especially if it has online play. Almost nothing beats truly competetive F1 races.

Why wouldn't all three work for both?true...

This game alone would be worth the purchase of the PS3, especially if it has online play. Almost nothing beats truly competetive F1 races.
it would be the perfect game for whats shaping up to be a great F1 season

youre right, that game alone would convince me to buy a PS3.

(as long as the physics were half decent)

it would be the perfect game for whats shaping up to be a great F1 season

youre right, that game alone would convince me to buy a PS3.

(as long as the physics were half decent)

Yep, the physics have got to be good, or the game will just be a graphics and sound showcase (unless the sound is shit). And nobody wants to play a game with no substance.

it would be the perfect game for whats shaping up to be a great F1 season

youre right, that game alone would convince me to buy a PS3.

(as long as the physics were half decent)

accurate damage modeling would be hot, too.

accurate damage modeling would be hot, too.

I'll put it this way: If this F1 game has physics like Forza Motorsport, I'll definitely buy it.

Yeah, but you must remember that it's almost a year away from release.
That's why I'm not terribly worried about the look of the track surface itself. There could be a good reason for that. They haven't worked out the sun position, or other enviromental that would factor into that for the track surface, so just turn it off, and work with what's done.

The edge of the track, I must confess, I do find a little troubling.

Yeah, the edges could really use some work. I'm confident that they'll be fixed, as Gran Turismo 4's preview screens didn't look half as good as the final product (about a year away from release).

Yeah, the edges could really use some work. I'm confident that they'll be fixed, as Gran Turismo 4's preview screens didn't look half as good as the final product (about a year away from release).
although if its F12005 then itll be very late if its not getting released for a year...

although if its F12005 then itll be very late if its not getting released for a year...

Yeah. Either way, it still looks great.

Goldeneye comes to mind first, because I was talking about it before, but they also made some other ones I think, it was some time ago.

The thing I remember most about rare is Donkey Kong Country and DKC 2 for SNES. Those were some incredible games. The Lost World(from DKC2) was pretty trippy though.
let's not forget about conker's bad fur day now.

Yeah. Either way, it still looks great.
yea, even if it was released tomorrow (assuming tomorrow was PS3 launch day), it would still look great for a launch title

IMO the PS3 looks like a proper next-gen games machine; the XBox 360 looks like a PC... very uninspiring...