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I need the name and approx. date of release of the first console RPG ever made. for those of you that dont know RPG stand for role-playing game. the first video game with a story really (note: super mario bros. was a platformer)

I need the name and approx. date of release of the first RPG ever made. for those of you that dont know RPG stand for role-playing game. the first game with a story really (note: super mario bros. was a platformer)

Chainmail - 1969/Dungeons & Dragons - 1974

The origins of Greek theatre was a role-play, with actors playing the part of Gods and mythic characters, all participation in the Mysteries. I suppose you could point to the Myth of Dionysos (http://didaskalia.open.ac.uk/StudyArea/introtoancienttheatre.html) as the original RPG.

For video game: "The Legend of Zelda" NES, 1986.

Chainmail - 1969/Dungeons & Dragons - 1974

Think he means on the puter'.

The origins of Greek theatre was a role-play, with actors playing the part of Gods and mythic characters, all participation in the Mysteries. I suppose you could point to the Myth of Dionysos (http://didaskalia.open.ac.uk/StudyArea/introtoancienttheatre.html) as the original RPG.

As a religious mystery though, it was presumably a deeply serious activity, and so doesn't really fall into the category of a 'role-playing game[/i].*



* a statement made in the full awareness of Wittgenstein's disccussion of what does or doesn't constitute a game. Hmm. Thorny.

I need the name and approx. date of release of the first RPG ever made. for those of you that dont know RPG stand for role-playing game. the first game with a story really (note: super mario bros. was a platformer)

Bard's Tale was in 1984...

Bard's Tale was in 1984...


...which is five years after Temple Of Apshai or Zork, although Zork would normally be classified as an adventure game these days, it certainly fits the category of "game with a story".

Think he means on the puter'.

In which case he should learn to ask the question that he actually means rather than leaving it up to us unwashed rabble to divine his intentions by some arcane method.

to make it precise, i need the first console video game, as it stands now, the earliest is zelda in 1986

In which case he should learn to ask the question that he actually means rather than leaving it up to us unwashed rabble to divine his intentions by some arcane method.

He only has 30 posts give em' a break.

Also depends on what's meant by "RPG". Real computer RPGs didn't exist until chat was invented. However, the term "RPG" gets applied to the adventure games inspired, initially, by actual (tabletop) RPGs.

to make it precise, i need the first console video game, as it stands now, the earliest is zelda in 1986

Um, Zelda's not role playing.... Just because a game has a story doesnt mean its a RPG... Hell, Halo could be a RPG if you use that description.

...which is five years after Temple Of Apshai or Zork, although Zork would normally be classified as an adventure game these days, it certainly fits the category of "game with a story".

I agree, Zork really wasn't an RPG, any more the Hitchhiker's Guide was... ;)

Apshai! I remember it, but I never played it. Back in the Commie 64 days, that was one title that the crack file always seemed to destroy... that and Archon III...

Um, Zelda's not role playing.... Just because a game has a story doesnt mean its a RPG... Hell, Halo could be a RPG if you use that description.
Could you tell me how you don't play a role as Link in Zelda?

Could you tell me how you don't play a role as Link in Zelda?

Zelda is an adventure game more than an RPG.

Could you tell me how you don't play a role as Link in Zelda?

....

By that logic, any game where you play a "role" could be classified as an RPG. Half Life, Doom, Halo, etc.

RPG has come to be an underlying definition. Fantasy games and FPS (like Halo) ARE RPGs but the have a dominating genre as well. the earliest of RPGs lacked that much depth, so they were considered only RPGs. definitions change with time and additions. you cant compare games which are almost 20 years apart.

to make it precise, i need the first console video game, as it stands now, the earliest is zelda in 1986

A quick google gives Treasures Of Tarmin from 1983 produced by Mattel as one option if you are looking for console based CRPGs.

http://intvfunhouse.com/games/dndt.php

so...can anyone think of an RPG whose US release was before 1987 (Zelda)

I agree, Zork really wasn't an RPG, any more the Hitchhiker's Guide was...

Anyhow, if you were going to count Zork, you would really have to count its predecessor "The Colossal Cave Adventure", aka "Adventure" or "Advent".

Bet the thread starter thought that that simple question would have a simple answer! Well, surprise!

(Thread starter's emotional state at this very moment: :headbang: )

so...can anyone think of an RPG whose US release was before 1987 (Zelda)

Why specifically console-based rather than computer-based?

Pong.

You play the role of a ping pong paddle.

i'm doing a research paper and would like to keep consoles in the common theme. i'm also branching into sports games and fighting games if you really wanted to know

You could do a paper on how the genre seperation works. Which is, to say, its somewhat arbitrary.

Pong is also a sports game. You're playing Ping Pong.

Pong.

You play the role of a ping pong paddle.

Haha. Now we're stretching the definition nice and good.

Pong.

You play the role of a ping pong paddle.
where's the story point in that one enstein

Pong is also a sports game. You're playing Ping Pong.

It is however a version totally unlike actual Ping Pong, where the ball bounces off the single plane of the table surface, rather than bouncing off one of two parallel surfaces ina zero-gravity, zero-inertia environment. Not to mention that it is only possible to move the paddles in one plane.

It may very well be a sport, but it isn't ping-pong.

where's the story point in that one enstein

It is a circular story which begins as it ends and ends as it begins, like Finnegan's Wake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_role-playing_game#History

here this might help a bit

1978's Adventure for the Atari VCS/2600. Taking on the role of that intrepid square hero, you had to slay dragons, deal with a fickle bat, and explore a maze-like land to complete your quest. The first video game of its kind, Adventure is also the first "action RPG", and therefore the first console RPG ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_role-playing_game#History

here this might help a bit
i was actually already using this site. thanks for the link

where's the story point in that one enstein

I'm trying to win. It is a story of the paddle's desire for a high score.

Dragon Quest I(Enix, 1986), was the first 'modern' RPG, released on NES and some older PC who's name I can't remember.

that puts AD&D Treasure of Tarmin in the lead (1982) but i still need a review or something like a review to find out about it

that puts AD&D Treasure of Tarmin in the lead (1982) but i still need a review or something like a review to find out about it

I posted a link when i first mentioned it: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8866024&postcount=19

It is a circular story which begins as it ends and ends as it begins, like Finnegan's Wake.

A little like Ulysses, too, with the nonstop ball as the stream of consciousness bouncing from character to character, represented by the paddles.

Maybe you should analyze the literary allusons in Pong for the paper, rather than doing it on RPGs...

I posted a link when i first mentioned it: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8866024&postcount=19
must have missed it the first time through, thanks

Maybe you should analyze the literary allusons in Pong for the paper, rather than doing it on RPGs...

...or possibly the Lacanian nature of the bat's desire for a high score, which it almost achieves only it to find that what it truly wanted was a higher score. It is never satisified with what it possesess, but always desires the unattainable other, thus we see that "love is impossible".

great, a bunch of future english teachers who make the senseless have sense and those who have sense senseless

great, a bunch of future english teachers who make the senseless have sense and those who have sense senseless

Oooh. Snarky. Whereas what exactly do CRPG's do?

there was a game on the atari where you char was a dot and the dragons looked like giant ducks. real old, i'd have to look it up... think it was called quest though :gundge:

...or possibly the Lacanian nature of the bat's desire for a high score, which it almost achieves only it to find that what it truly wanted was a higher score. It is never satisified with what it possesess, but always desires the unattainable other, thus we see that "love is impossible".

Wow, can't believe I missed that. Now we have a whole Sisyphean theme as well, a sort of a divine retribution against those who play. The goal is not to miss, but in achieving the goal one is trapped eternally pushing ones digitized ball up the slope of the virtual tennis board...

The bleakness and futility are nearly overwhelming. I'm surprised this game didn't win a Pulitzer.

Oooh. Snarky. Whereas what exactly do CRPG's do?
try to make sense and then fail miseribly for the most part

try to make sense and then fail miseribly for the most part

Try ADOM (http://www.adom.de/) for a roguelike RPG which makes plenty of sense. At least until the sleep deprivation it induces kicks in.

i think i'll use zelda anyway, as it is more familar with my audience and i can find much more info on it

thank you to all and to all a good thank :D
:headbang: :sniper:

Wow, can't believe I missed that. Now we have a whole Sisyphean theme as well, a sort of a divine retribution against those who play. The goal is not to miss, but in achieving the goal one is trapped eternally pushing ones digitized ball up the slope of the virtual tennis board...

The bleakness and futility are nearly overwhelming. I'm surprised this game didn't win a Pulitzer.

Then, of course you have the Marxist view:

The paddle represents the bourgeois's constant attempts to keep the proletariat in place, so that they may gain the high score of capitalist earnings.

The feminist view is even more obvious due to the 'hit' the paddle makes against the ball, the captivity of keeping the ball from leaving the screen, and, of course, the phallic shape of the paddle, which slips towards Psychoanalytic...

Who wants to try a Post-Colonial view?

I need the name and approx. date of release of the first console RPG ever made. for those of you that dont know RPG stand for role-playing game. the first video game with a story really (note: super mario bros. was a platformer)
final fantasy. The first one. At least I think it was, anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_role-playing_game#History

here this might help a bit
Gamespot has their own article --- http://www.gamespot.com/features/vgs/universal/rpg_hs/first.html

Dragon Quest I(Enix, 1986), was the first 'modern' RPG, released on NES and some older PC who's name I can't remember.
released in the united states as dragon warrior. i loved that game.