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Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

I love animals, especially in a good gravy.

I eat vegetables too.

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:
Don't diss the veggies, man. My momma will tan yer hide! She grew up vegetarian, but she's fine with the rest of us who eat meat, just as long as she doesn't have to see the animals killed. I'm thinking about going veggie, but I love fried seafood/chicken far too much! :D

Veg's never bugged me. I am dating one now and we respect each other. I absolutely dispise those "meat is murder" assholes.

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

I too am a meat-eater, but I would like to point out that humans, too, reside in the kingdom Animalia.


(Woot! I finally made a post! =D)

Vegans are freaks. They care soooo much about the animals, but if they saw a homeless person, they'd step on them or ignore them.

I don't understand all this intolerance towards vegetarians/vegans. I think that vegetarianism is a very noble cause.

other people do not have to the same, they can kill there animal and eat them...

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

Lack of understanding. The primary cause of intolerance. What is different, must be bad, I suppose?

Yes, I'm a vegetarian.


"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White


Erm... I'm not the one talking, you are. You started this thread. I'm not the one trying to force my way of life on other people, you are. I never do. I'm not the one being intolerant, you are. Why don't you shut up, then, hmm?


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...


Ethical reasons, which given the tone of your post I assume are waaay beyond your understanding. It's also clear you don't actually want to try and understand.


who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

No one, as far as I know. Are you extremely ignorant, or just pretending? How on earth did you come to equating vegetarianism with putting an animal's life before a human's?

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:


Sigh, again with the uninformed. Do you even realize how much rainforest is cut down daily to make room for cattle farms? Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables? Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?

No, a better question is, do you even care? And the answer is, of course, no. You live on a planet of finite resources, and yet you run through them as if they were infinite. What's the solution to peak oil? Why drive a bigger suv of course. And the solution to finite resources? Why eat more than your fair share regularly of course.

It's people like you who are the reason why this planet is going straight down the shitter. People who refuse to take any kind of stock of their actions on a global level because cheeseburgers taste too good. This is pathetic, it's like talking to three year olds.

Half the world is starving to death for simple want of grains and clean water, while said grains and clean water are fed to cows to produce expensive little meat treats that only a fraction of the world can afford, and yet, you all see nothing wrong with this.

I pity this planet and it's misguided populous. My only hope is that if there is a second life after this one, I don't have to come back to this shithole.

Vegan.

Why? Because I don't want to support an industry that causes pain and suffering. Living in the western world it is quite easy not to consume animal products, or at least to reduce one's consumption greatly.

Veg's never bugged me. I am dating one now and we respect each other. I absolutely dispise those "meat is murder" assholes.


They dont bother me either. The one's I have spoken with have noble reasons for not eating meat or using animal products-I respect them and their reasons. I have a friend thats vegetarian and when shes a guest in my home, I provide a meat free meal. I respect their feelings and hope they respect mine.
I dont like the extremists and dont like any that try to force their ways upon others.

Whoever wants to be a vegetarian fine by me, but I only have a problem with "converters". Personally I eat meat 3-6(2-3times of that the meat is fish or similar things) times a week the rest is veggies only. I believe in balance as far as food goes.

But I've had quite a few meat is murder fanatics come to me, I was enjoying a pajela which contains chicken and seafood and this crazy woman runs to my table starts yelling murder at me and before I gulped down the morsel to say anything she dumps a bucket of blood on me and my food. WTF?!?!

Another time was I was enjoying a steak and a woman also walks up to my table and starts yelling "How can you be so cruel to eat a helpless animal!???" I coldly put down my fork looked up at her and said "Well madam you're far more cruel than I am!" she goes "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN!!!???"again I calmy replied "You are vegan aren't you?" she proudly responded with "Of course I am!!" and I said "Well that just my point you are far more cruel than I, yes I am eating an animal, but you devour their food." She was so dumbfounded that she turned around and stormed away. Funniest thing that was!

Personally I could almost be a vegetarian but without my fishies I'd turn very ill very quickly.But I do tend to steer away from red meat. And whoever want to be a vegan or vegetarian let them be, they are doing it for a good cause. But one advice to you lot don't criticise others' eating habits or you'll alienate themselves, and hassle them and you'll loose their ear. As for nonvegans , geez people have some respect for your fellow person! They don't eat meat just to spite you ,you know?!

Vegans are freaks. They care soooo much about the animals, but if they saw a homeless person, they'd step on them or ignore them.

Here's another worthless generalization:

You are a dumbass who probably couldn't get laid in a damn kennel.

Generalizations are nice, aren't they

ass.

BTW, I volunteer a weekend a month at my local homeless or animal shelter so STFU dumbass!

Here's another worthless generalization:

You are a dumbass who probably couldn't get laid in a damn kennel.

Generalizations are nice, aren't they

ass.

BTW, I volunteer a weekend a month at my local homeless or animal shelter so STFU dumbass!
Come on, all together now: "Ooooh!" :p

Here's another worthless generalization:

You are a dumbass who probably couldn't get laid in a damn kennel.

Generalizations are nice, aren't they

ass.

BTW, I volunteer a weekend a month at my local homeless or animal shelter so STFU dumbass!
Don't stoop to their level and flame, perhaps?
Replying to an insult with more insults doesn't solve anything.

Well I'm probably a more rare-breed vegetarian, but personally the reason I swore off meat is because it swore me off first.

When I was in high school I started getting sick a whole lot (abnormally, that is....I have a low immune system tolerance, so I'm "sick a whole lot" anyway), throwing up all the time, and we didn't know why. Turns out the enzymes in my stomach apparently just can't process meat anymore. It started it out being the denser types of meat (beef, pork, buffalo.......goat....ew, just kidding), but gradually I've been having trouble with chicken too. While I admit I occasionally miss a great big meatball sandwich from time to time, it's not worth the pain I'd be suffering from for the next 12-24 hours.

Admittedly, I still have the ability to eat turkey from time to time, but I don't. I, on rare occasions, will enjoy crab, but according to my animal-loving vegetarian best friend, a lot of vegetarians eat fish and stuff anyway.....so I don't know if that's "cheating" or what.

On the upside, some of the vegetable and soy substitutes for meat are actually rather passable. I absolutely love Morningstar Farms, especially their chicken substitute. Boca burgers aren't bad either, if you're in the mood for a less processed taste.

Vegan.

Why? Because I don't want to support an industry that causes pain and suffering. Living in the western world it is quite easy not to consume animal products, or at least to reduce one's consumption greatly.


Reducing consumption is certainly reasonable. People go out for a steak dinner and consume an 18 or 24 oz steak. I'm guilty of this. This size portion is obscene and gluttonous. I know a 4 or 6 oz serving is more along the lines of being both reasonable and healthy.
There are many nutritous and healthy alternatives to meat-many people are ignorant of them.
I love meat, but in my household, I've tried to make meat serving smaller and increase the vegetables. More fresh greens. Also more fish. Its healthier for my kids and also less expensive.

Sigh, again with the uninformed. Do you even realize how much rainforest is cut down daily to make room for cattle farms? Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables? Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?

No, a better question is, do you even care? And the answer is, of course, no. You live on a planet of finite resources, and yet you run through them as if they were infinite. What's the solution to peak oil? Why drive a bigger suv of course. And the solution to finite resources? Why eat more than your fair share regularly of course.

It's people like you who are the reason why this planet is going straight down the shitter. People who refuse to take any kind of stock of their actions on a global level because cheeseburgers taste too good. This is pathetic, it's like talking to three year olds.

Half the world is starving to death for simple want of grains and clean water, while said grains and clean water are fed to cows to produce expensive little meat treats that only a fraction of the world can afford, and yet, you all see nothing wrong with this.

I pity this planet and it's misguided populous. My only hope is that if there is a second life after this one, I don't have to come back to this shithole.

Excellent post. Totally wasted on the person who started this thread, of course. You would need him to have intelligence, and compassion, if not for animals then at least for his fellow human beings.

As a vegetarian, I've never gone around trying to convert people; I find it's usually the opposite that happens, with some meat-eaters displaying blind and aggressive intolerance. My friends are almost all meat-eaters; it's something we rarely discuss, and we're not trying to change one another all the time.

I'm a veggie. I don't force my views on other people.

I'm a veggie. I don't force my views on other people.


Good. I eat meat, respect your views and wont try to make you believe mine.

Are there high-protein alternatives to meat other than soy?

I don't understand all this intolerance towards vegetarians/vegans. I think that vegetarianism is a very noble cause.


What's so noble about it?

I don't believe in converting either. My entire family is meat eaters. I merely give them the info and let them make informed decisions. But, at the same time, my family respects my choice, and doesn't put me down.

The reason I come off hostile is because I can sense the hostility from meat eaters on this forum and I respond in kind.

Vegetarians who are so for health reasons don't bother me, as there are certainly studies showing that vegetarian diets can be far healthier than the average diet, so whatever.

Vegetarians who are so for religious reasons don't bother me, because if someone really believes that they are damned if they eat a cow, it doesn't matter too much to me (unless they start pushing that religion, of course).

Vegetarians who are so for ethical reasons tend to be the ones that annoy me. They tend to be the most outspoken. The problem with an ethical argument is that you have to assume that everyone you talk to has the same set of ethics as you. Some apparently think of non-vegetarians as mentally inferior because they "can't" understand global concerns and such. Some of us non-vegetarians happen to be quite okay with other people suffering. We CAN understand global concerns. We're just NOT concerned.

Vegetarians who espouse the whole "X gallons of water for a pound of beef" argument are a bit hypocritical, unless they are growing their own food and walking everywhere. It takes quite a bit more water to make your car, the gas that runs it, the store that sells you your produce, and everything else that a vegetarian using this argument probably still uses himself. Until you decide that your convenience can be dismissed to save even more water or whatever point you're trying to make there, don't argue with us about OUR convenience.

NOTE TO YOU

im not forcing my ways onto anyone.. im trying to understand they vegitarians are trying to force their ways onto me, and yes that has happened many-a-time. The joke was posted as nothing more than a joke by Ron White.

1st. by not eating meat are somehow stopping the clearing of rainforests and land for cattle. Im helping the environment by eating the cow that produces the nitrogenous flatulants that destroy the O3 in the ozone layer.

2nd. it sounds like i made up my mind already becuase i am completely baffled when i hear that organizations like PETA will accept violence and actually promote terrorist actions against meat-packing companies and fur-making industries. also quotes from PETA heads saying that they do not support cures for diseases if the cures are found in a way that harms any animals or includes animal testings at all.

3rd im happy to be part of the (as you said) "small percentage" of the world that can afford meat. Why should I suffer if others cant afford it, and how does not eating meat help them at all anyway?

4th lets talk realistically, at the rate the human population is growing, the eventual clearing of most of the rainforests is inevitable, face it. we dont live is some idealistic garden of eden where we respect nature as an equal to humans, we are the top of the food chain, and the smartest organisms on the planet, and like every other animal that ever existed, it is the goal to "take over the planet" (so-to-say).

i dont mean to slander those who are vegetarians, i mean to question what there purposes are, why they think it helps, and understand the mentality behind it. I think you are fine as a vegetarian, as long as you dont try to recruit me, and try to make me feel guilty for eating a hamburger.

NOTE: im not trying to tell vegetarians to be meat-eaters, nor am i trying to recruit vegetarians to my side!!

Half the world is starving to death for simple want of grains and clean water, while said grains and clean water are fed to cows to produce expensive little meat treats that only a fraction of the world can afford, and yet, you all see nothing wrong with this.


With all due respect, I think the reason people are starving isnt because someone is wasting grains and water on cattle, but more that the grain isnt getting to the starving people. Right now the world produces enough food to feed everyone, it just doesnt distribute it. There is grain rotting in silos because its cheaper to waste it than it is to ship it.
Starving people dont need to have food sent to them-this is only a temporary fix.

2nd. it sounds like i made up my mind already becuase i am completely baffled when i hear that organizations like PETA will accept violence and actually promote terrorist actions against meat-packing companies and fur-making industries. also quotes from PETA heads saying that they do not support cures for diseases if the cures are found in a way that harms any animals or includes animal testings at all.
Simple solution to this:
Not all vegetarians support PETA.
4th lets talk realistically, at the rate the human population is growing, the eventual clearing of most of the rainforests is inevitable, face it. we dont live is some idealistic garden of eden where we respect nature as an equal to humans, we are the top of the food chain, and the smartest organisms on the planet, and like every other animal that ever existed, it is the goal to "take over the planet" (so-to-say).
Once the environment is dead, so are we.

1st. by not eating meat are somehow stopping the clearing of rainforests and land for cattle. Im helping the environment by eating the cow that produces the nitrogenous flatulants that destroy the O3 in the ozone layer.

Spurious, as you are also supporting an industry that breeds said cattle and maintains their number in direct proportion to the demand for them.

I'm fine with vegetarians, but I can't stand the extremist that force there views on others. Plus God didn't give us canines for nothing.

Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables?

Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?


Heh heh heh
Fun with facts: vegetarians love to boast outrageous figures like "it takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef and only 20 gallons to produce one pound of wheat." I've heard figures ranging from 2,000 to 5,000, and vegetarians will be damned if they include a source so we'll take the mean (that means "average") and go with 3,500. The average person consumes 1.5 million gallons of water every year (it takes water to grow and produce the food you eat in addition to the water you drink, quit emailing me you morons). Why isn't PETA protesting overpopulation of humans on the street corners? Why isn't PETA passing out free condoms or throwing javelins in your cock when you walk down the street if they really cared about water consumption? It's not like that water just suddenly disappears. The earth has had about the same amount of water for 2 billion years. So if a pound of beef takes 3,500 gallons of water, what difference does it make? How many vegetarians drive a car? To make a car (including tires), it takes about 40,000 gallons of fresh water. That's not including the gas it takes to run the car, the electricity to run the gas station, the water used to create the boat that brought your precious oil, the water used to create the pavement you drive on, the destruction of toxic chemicals that went into creating your clothes, and the electricity you use every day to send me stupid emails over the internet. Every year you are directly responsible for the consumption of billions of gallons of water. There are 26 million people suffering preventable brain damage from iodine deficiency, and another 1.5 billion people at risk. Nevermind that, you have animals to save. By driving your cars, you pump billions of tons of poison into the atmosphere and you're slowly killing us all. The computer you use requires 250 watts of electricity, let alone the billions of computers required to keep you on the internet. All consuming energy. All contributing to pollution. Let's just ignore those minor hypocrisies. Someone wants to enjoy a burger and you'll be damned if you're going to let them.



As for the world hunger bit, no we couldn't. First we need to stablize the region. Then we need to optimize production there. This would mean kicking Mugabe out of Zimbabwe. Africa would be self-supportive if the people there would get their collective heads out of their asses. The same applies to most other places.

Are there high-protein alternatives to meat other than soy?

I mix beans into a lot of our meals-Kidney, black, pinto,etc.. I know they are high in protein-they are much better for the colon too. Peanuts are good.

NOTE TO YOU
Im helping the environment by eating the cow that produces the nitrogenous flatulants that destroy the O3 in the ozone layer.


Actually, no, you're condoning the problem. Cows are forcibly mass-bred for the slaughter. If they weren't "mass-produced", that is, if people didn't eat them, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.

I dont want a javelin in my cock... :confused:

Are there high-protein alternatives to meat other than soy?

beans,
Quorn (http://www.quorn.co.uk),
eggs / cheese,
there are a variety of textured vegetable protein meat substitutes. the range from terrible to good

Heh heh heh




As for the world hunger bit, no we couldn't. First we need to stablize the region. Then we need to optimize production there. This would mean kicking Mugabe out of Zimbabwe. Africa would be self-supportive if the people there would get their collective heads out of their asses. The same applies to most other places.

we have enough food already. We just don't want to give it to people, we have to SELL it

beans,
Quorn (http://www.quorn.co.uk),
eggs / cheese,
there are a variety of textured vegetable protein meat substitutes. the range from terrible to good


that Quorn stuff is creepy. Dont eat that. Eat garbonzo beans instead.

A new tasty animal discovered. (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/12/news/rodent.php)

Paragraph 2: "They are definitely not rats or squirrels, only vaguely like a guinea pig or a chinchilla. And they often show up in Laotian outdoor markets being sold for food. There, visiting scientists came upon the animals and determined that they represented a rare find: an entire new family of wildlife."

...Well there you go! Meat eaters discover a new endangered species.

pass the A-1 :sniper:

that Quorn stuff is creepy. Dont eat that. Eat garbonzo beans instead.

Quorn is LOVELY

I eat it all the time

oh great another I hate vegetarians thread. :rolleyes:

gee how enlightened. look at all the I hate carnivores and omnivores threads there are, showing just how preachy the vegetarians are in tryign to convert you.

as a vegetarian I have to put up with constant harrasment from people who are too ignorant of the whats and whys of vegetarianism to think about what they are sayign before they say it. maybe meat really does rot the brain.

there is no reason for me to explain anything to you about why I am vegetarian because I see that you only wish to condemn.

whine on you crazy diamond

Simple solution to this:
Not all vegetarians support PETA.

Once the environment is dead, so are we.


i realise that not all vegetarians support PETA, i look down upon those who do


on your second point, i beg to differ. nature has the tedency to keep eco-equilibrium. meaning that the ecosystem will either adapt to the new conditions or it will keep "fighting back" and this is the point where science becomes useful, for genetically engineering our food, plants, and water.

remember, there have been many massive extinctions on this planet where all plant life or all aquatic life has been killed... and the most recent one where the dinosaurs were destroyed 65 mya. organisms and sepcies are killed naturally and nature has found a way to come back. remember that 95% of all things that EVER lived on this planet, are extinct, yet look at nature now.. Humans are a part of nature, however commendable it is to respect nature, we must realise that human welfare comes first.




While we're on the point - methane is the issue here, rather than some vaguely described 'nitrogenous' substance. Methane contains no nitrogen, and to the best of my knowledge nitrogen (itself making up 80% of the air we breathe) isn't a contributor to the damage of the ozone layer.


youre right, i was wrong about it being methane and not nitrogen.. that point was a bit exaggerated for effect.

Quorn is LOVELY

I eat it all the time


yeah the turkey roasts we get here in teh states are deeeeelicious! never an unhappy omnivore when they come to our house for thanksgiving.

there is a place near los angeles (Called VegeUSA *they have a website*) that gets a bunch of deliciously awesome fake meats from different parts of asia. nothing compares to their fake meat.

yeah the turkey roasts we get here in teh states are deeeeelicious! never an unhappy omnivore when they come to our house for thanksgiving.

there is a place near los angeles (Called VegeUSA *they have a website*) that gets a bunch of deliciously awesome fake meats from different parts of asia. nothing compares to their fake meat.

we don't get that over here :(

Sigh, again with the uninformed. Do you even realize how much rainforest is cut down daily to make room for cattle farms? Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables? Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?

Funny, last time I checked they allow cows to graze on land that it ither unusable for farming or cut them loose on fields that have been harvested.
Do you have any other sources than peta based sources?

It's people like you who are the reason why this planet is going straight down the shitter. People who refuse to take any kind of stock of their actions on a global level because cheeseburgers taste too good. This is pathetic, it's like talking to three year olds.

And we are the ones who are irrational.... :rolleyes:

Funny, last time I checked they allow cows to graze on land that it ither unusable for farming or cut them loose on fields that have been harvested.
Do you have any other sources than peta based sources?

And we are the ones who are irrational.... :rolleyes:

Do bare in mind that it is directly because of cattle farming for the US market that much of the rain forest in S America has been stripped

I support p.e.t.a.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Ciao!

I support p.e.t.a.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Ciao!

lol

Do bare in mind that it is directly because of cattle farming for the US market that much of the rain forest in S America has been stripped

Sources?

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

Vegetarian, for the simple reason I don't like the taste of meat, ugh! I don't mind meat being eaten around me as long as I don't have to taste it. Plus it's much healthier for you, less saturated fat etc. and if you eat a balanced diet you get your quota of minerals/vitamins etc. Where do you get your crazy generalisations from.

Vegetarians could also be veggies cos of their religion, for health reasons and ethical reasons (as in you can produce more food from the same plot of land) rather than they just think it's cruel. Really, if your gonna take a side, do some research first!

And so far I have converted 0 to vegetarianism and have no intention of increasing that figure as yet. It's something you kind of figure out on your own.

I support p.e.t.a.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Ciao!

BAZING!!!

I support p.e.t.a.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Ciao!


My favorite:

If God didn't want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat?

Sources?

http://www.onestopenglish.com/News/Magazine/news-pdfs/amazon2.PDF

i stand corrected, it is Russia and Europe that buy most of it, the US has strict rules to protect its own farmers

I started the PETA thread not to be anti-vegitarian, but to be anti-hypocrisy.

That said, yes, it is true there is no biological reason people in a modern society NEED to eat meat, especially in the quantities currently consumed and wasted.

But there are a LOT of things we do that we don't NEED to do. We don't NEED to be wasting so many resources producing the electricity and computer components necessary to post on NS either.

I happen to choose to eat only the meat I personally kill. No hormone-laden GMO/Factory Meat for me. But I also don't eat processed grains or sugar. :eek: (I basically live on the "caveman" diet. Lots of raw/fire roasted fruits & veggies, nuts, dried fruit, some (few) eggs, whole/cracked unprocessed grains, honey for sweetner and Meat. Literally, if you can pick it, pluck it, pull it or kill it, you can eat it - but if it requires more processing than a rock & fire, (or domestication - like dairy) you can't have it. After all, that's how we evolved to eat...)

It's all about moderation and tolerance. Political vegatarians/vegans who are all about telling me what I should or should not eat fit nicely into that mental space I hold for fanatics and ninnys of all persuasions. (And my "Meat & Potatoes Only" brother in law fits there too.)

Oh man, From here (http://www.peta-sucks.com/pmquotes.htm) I found these

"i guess i dont hate humans, but i really dislike them. i loathe them. and i hate what we are doing "

"Hey; maybe hitler was actually killing meat eaters, not Jews. It was just changed to Jews because people got offended and obviously most Jews eat meat. Maybe his ethical cleansing was a way to rid the world of meat eaters. Would make sense with his prediction of vegetarianism by 2000; if he was in charge, who knows..."

This makes me sick.

Oh man, From here (http://www.peta-sucks.com/pmquotes.htm) I found these

"i guess i dont hate humans, but i really dislike them. i loathe them. and i hate what we are doing "

"Hey; maybe hitler was actually killing meat eaters, not Jews. It was just changed to Jews because people got offended and obviously most Jews eat meat. Maybe his ethical cleansing was a way to rid the world of meat eaters. Would make sense with his prediction of vegetarianism by 2000; if he was in charge, who knows..."

This makes me sick.

sickos are everywhere

Originally Posted by Enlightened Humanity
Do bare in mind that it is directly because of cattle farming for the US market that much of the rain forest in S America has been stripped

Sources?

PITA sources, obviously. Rainforest-stripping is for our lumber needs, not meat!

Oh yeah here (http://www.peta-sucks.com/araquotes.htm) are some more nutjobs.

PITA sources, obviously. Rainforest-stripping is for our lumber needs, not meat!

no, they clear land for grazing

and I do not know PETA, I am from the UK, i don't even know if they are over here

Whenever someone asks me why I'm a vegetarian I just say that I couldn't bring myself to kill an animal, so therefore it would be morally hypocritical for me to eat one. People say killing animals needlessly is wrong, however then you have to aknowlege that fact all animals killed for meat are killed needlessly because humans don't require meat. If I was trapped in the jungle or something like that I would kill and eat animals if my life depended on it, but currently it doesn't.
Anyway, I have studied biology a bit, so let me clear up a popular misconception. When an animal has the status of 'ominvour' it has the ability to digest both meat and vegetation, it doesn't nessicarly have the need to take in both and it certainly isn't nessicarly the favourable diet.
Why is this? Well, most omnivours are oppertunistic feeders. Most animals have a farily narrow range of foods that they can't deviate from extensively. An oppertunistic animal like a human on the other hand can eat a absolutely huge variety of foods, but it doesn't have to eat a huge range of foods to survive because that would be tremendously impractical. So long as they eat enough so that they gain all the nutrients needed they will be fine. Humans are as evolved for a vegetarian diet as they are for any other diet.

no, they clear land for grazing

and I do not know PETA, I am from the UK, i don't even know if they are over here
No they dont, silly man! Hac=ve you priced a good hardwood floor recently? WAY past the price of a silly steak! :sniper:

No they dont, silly man! Hac=ve you priced a good hardwood floor recently? WAY past the price of a silly steak! :sniper:

no peta links here (all show rainforest being cleared for cattle *destined to be burgers for europe and north america* grazing):

http://www.yptenc.org.uk/docs/factsheets/env_facts/rainffcatt.html

http://www.gu.edu.au/text/ins/collections/webb/html/10-87.html

http://www.mongabay.com/08_rainforests_beef.htm

http://www.du.edu/~sdavis1/lifecycle_files/frame.htm#slide0003.htm

http://www.rainforestweb.org/Rainforest_Destruction/Cattle_Ranching/

did you really not know about it? now that you do, do you think that it's okay?

I feel like I have to post it (http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#PETA).

did you really not know about it? now that you do, do you think that it's okay?

Yeah sure. This is still a mere after-effect... Go for the gold first, then use whats left for whatever you can.... Hey, we just have the money to buy the stuff... it's the local pols (who hate us so badly, BTW) who actually do the selling out... then blame us. Boring!

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

i agree but for completely different reasons then you. there's a few things wronge with that post though, the major thing that REALLY annoys me, humans are animals!

by the vegetarians not eating meat they are prejudecing against the animals. all life is equal, and we as of how we naturally evolved need both meat and plants to be healthy. and life isn't worth as much as they think! it is only a chemical proscess. and before someone tries to say that it's not right to be saying treat animals the same as any other living thing, and that saying humans are animals at the same time doesn't make sence, another thing is that humans should be treated like other organisms too, just as our own species. it's perfectly fine to kill a human as is an animal, so long as there's cause. i'm a strong hunter but i always avoid eating farmed meat as much as possible cause of this, and same with farmed plants and such, i harvest them, but farmed is wronge. if you're going to kill something, waste none. hmm, this sounds mixed up, but that's cause it's a combination of two separate issues.

i would probably still eat meat if there was more free range stuff available and especially stuff that wasnt pumped full of hormones, anti-biotics and steroids.

and life isn't worth as much as they think! it is only a chemical proscess..
I hate to play Devil's Advocate, but for the sake of stimulating argument (in a non-threatening way, so please don't get offended)....wouldn't that essentially mean that meat eaters have every right to kill YOU and eat you? Many wouldn't because they personally find it morally wrong. To my understanding, limited as it may be on the moral issue, that's probably the same "moral issue" vegetarians have with eating an animal.

Either that or maybe they're crazy and think the animals talk to them. I've met a girl like that before.....almost turned me off of vegetarianism, were it not for health problems.

Yeah, except that killing one's own species isn't a particularly good idea if you want it to continue. Besides, my argument is that humans have free choice and sentience - killing a human is morally wrong because it deprives them of their freedom, in the most extreme way possible. Although I have an existentialist (Sartre's existentialism) point of view, so that's probably influencing my attitudes. If vegetarians want to live that way, that is their choice and I respect it. As others have said, I resent it when they attempt to convert myself and others, but I've found that vegetarians seem to be pretty good about this. Also, if you want to tell vegetarians to shut up, you damn well better not tell people about the joys of Christianity/non-vegetarianism/atheism, or any lifestyle choice you make. It works both ways, you know.

Also, if you want to tell vegetarians to shut up, you damn well better not tell people about the joys of Christianity/non-vegetarianism/atheism, or any lifestyle choice you make. It works both ways, you know.
Very valid point. But you know, we don't all try to convert. I actually find it preferrable to go out with my friends when they eat because the smell of beef at least brings back pleasant memories.....

Like I said, I really only challenge you to see what you'd say. I appreciate the thought put into your answer rather than something like "humans are different, retard, it's illegal to shoot a human". Bravo.

Also, if you want to tell vegetarians to shut up, you damn well better not tell people about the joys of Christianity/non-vegetarianism/atheism, or any lifestyle choice you make. It works both ways, you know.

i would like to remind you again, i put that there becuase it was a relevant quote from the comedian Ron White.. and i meant "shut up about trying-to-convert-me part" of course i believe that they can eat all the vegetables they want, and i also know that in amny cases there are perfectly good explanations... im just pissed at ONLY thos ppl who think im going to hell for eating a hamburger.. not those who do so for religious/medical pruposes.

I'm a vegetarian. I dropped meat from my diet due to health and philosophical reasons.

I think the idea that we're out to convert you is rubbish. If you met someone with lactose intolerance, would you be paranoid that they would force you to stop eating dairy? Vegetarianism doesn't automatically come with a PETA membership card.

Being a meat eater, I think that the hate/annoyance with vegitarian/vegan is that we have all met someone in our lives that has tried to convert us. We don't care. And everyone gets pissed when someone tells us we're wrong. What if they found out that vegatables scream when you eat them? Now, some carnivor comes along and tells you that you are a plant murderer? You'd give the bastard the finger and assume all carni's were assholes too. Admit it. Now, burn down this topic. It's fucking stupid.

I'm a vegetarian. I dropped meat from my diet due to health and philosophical reasons.

I think the idea that we're out to convert you is rubbish. If you met someone with lactose intolerance, would you be paranoid that they would force you to stop eating dairy? Vegetarianism doesn't automatically come with a PETA membership card.
Why do you hold such hatred for plantlife?

Veg's never bugged me. I am dating one now and we respect each other. I absolutely dispise those "meat is murder" assholes.

Wow....the only problem I have with non-veggies is when they pretend it isn't murder. I don't mind it if you kill animals (well I do, but I don't preach), but if you eat meat and then go off on one against animal cruelty (e.g. non-veggies who are against foxhunting) I start to get annoyed. Yes, we're all hypocrites to some degree, but that doesn't give you an excuse to be so incoherent in your beliefs.

I know a couple people who are vegetarians. I'm not, but I respect people that are, as long as they don't try to "recruit" me. I don't have a problem with vegans or vegetarians at all, but I'm less than fond of PETA and ALF......

Why do you hold such hatred for plantlife?

because plants are shifty and plot to kill us

Why do you hold such hatred for plantlife?

My entire family was killed by a rogue celery. I can still hear their screams on the wind....

My entire family was killed by a rogue celery. I can still hear their screams on the wind....

YAY! :D

I mean....

Aww... :(

Are you a Vegan or Vegetarian?... why?... :headbang: :headbang:

"btw, all vegetarians i think, should shut up, youre not gonna recruit me, i didnt climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots."-Ron White

somebody else had a PETA thread, but i wanted something a little different, this is extra: check this out! (http://www.peta-sucks.com/)


so why do you think eating meat is bad? tastes fine to me, full of proteins and vitamins...

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

Not eating meat doesn't put an animal's life ahead of a human life. Putting little kids in the bear cage puts animal life before human life.

Eating meat isn't particularily healthy, humans aren't designed to eat it, at least not in large amounts.

That said I do like meat and do eat it, but I don't need it to live.

Not eating meat doesn't put an animal's life ahead of a human life. Putting little kids in the bear cage puts animal life before human life.

Eating meat isn't particularily healthy, humans aren't designed to eat it, at least not in large amounts.

That said I do like meat and do eat it, but I don't need it to live.
Carnivores have canines in order to RIP MEAT and eyes in the front of their head in order to HUNT FOR MEAT.

Humans.....have canines and eyes in the front of their head.

Humans are omnivores. Teeth in the back work the veggies, but God gave you those sharp ones for a reason.

Simonist']Carnivores have canines in order to RIP MEAT and eyes in the front of their head in order to HUNT FOR MEAT.

Humans.....have canines and eyes in the front of their head.

Humans are omnivores. Teeth in the back work the veggies, but God gave you those sharp ones for a reason.

It's natural to do a lot of things that aren't considered acceptable in today's society. This argument from nature is poor. We evolved these features because they provided us with the edge needed to gain dominance; now we don't need them, but they don't go away because they don't pose a disadvantage. If you shoot someone in self-defence, that's fine; you then empty your magazine into the nearest moving object because you have a gun and therefore should use it - not so fine.

I too am a meat-eater, but I would like to point out that humans, too, reside in the kingdom Animalia.


(Woot! I finally made a post! =D)

tis the truth-I eat meat, but those who choose not to don't bother me. Unless they start throwing red paint around...then someones gonna pay :p

Vegetarianism, I feel is fine. Do what you want. However, I don't really get vegans. I can understand you not drinking milk, but unfertilized eggs--- yes, the eggs we eat ARE unfertilized--- just go to waste if unconsumed. We don't FORCE the chickens to make them. They just DO.

Plus, they're a good source of protein.

Vegetarianism, I feel is fine. Do what you want. However, I don't really get vegans. I can understand you not drinking milk, but unfertilized eggs--- yes, the eggs we eat ARE unfertilized--- just go to waste if unconsumed. We don't FORCE the chickens to make them. They just DO.

Plus, they're a good source of protein.

It's because the money generally goes to the meat industry. It's like buying candy from Hitler, or somesuch. I'm not too fussed about that shit....I get woodland eggs. And not eating honey because it's stealing from bees....that's just gaga :p

I don't understand all this intolerance towards vegetarians/vegans. I think that vegetarianism is a very noble cause.
yeah, vegetarians are up there with Martin Luther King and Gandhi. (sarcasm)

It's because the money generally goes to the meat industry. It's like buying candy from Hitler, or somesuch. I'm not too fussed about that shit....I get woodland eggs. And not eating honey because it's stealing from bees....that's just gaga :p

Everyone knows hitler made some kickass chocolate....


Sorry :p

Just remember, there is a place on God's earth for all God's creatures...

(usually next to the mashed potatoes.)

Life feeds on life.

Whether it is animal life or vegetable life makes no difference.

Sigh, again with the uninformed. Do you even realize how much rainforest is cut down daily to make room for cattle farms? Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables? Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?

No, a better question is, do you even care? And the answer is, of course, no. You live on a planet of finite resources, and yet you run through them as if they were infinite. What's the solution to peak oil? Why drive a bigger suv of course. And the solution to finite resources? Why eat more than your fair share regularly of course.

It's people like you who are the reason why this planet is going straight down the shitter. People who refuse to take any kind of stock of their actions on a global level because cheeseburgers taste too good. This is pathetic, it's like talking to three year olds.

Half the world is starving to death for simple want of grains and clean water, while said grains and clean water are fed to cows to produce expensive little meat treats that only a fraction of the world can afford, and yet, you all see nothing wrong with this.

I pity this planet and it's misguided populous. My only hope is that if there is a second life after this one, I don't have to come back to this shithole.
1. see www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html
2. we can already cure world hunger, we just dont fork over the cash to feed people (no pun intended)
3. what does oil have to do with vegetarianism?
4. theres plenty of food to go around
5. growing a cow for slaughter has nothing to do with taking stock with for ones actions
6. again see www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html what stock are you taking in your actions?

Well, the fact that I have allergic recations everytime I try meat.... I kinda keeps me away from it. Veggies make me cringe... So... I'm a breadatarian?

Well, the fact that I have allergic recations everytime I try meat.... I kinda keeps me away from it. Veggies make me cringe... So... I'm a breadatarian?

Thats Pastariffic!

Thats Pastariffic!

Of course! <3

Originally Posted by Great Beer and Food
Sigh, again with the uninformed. Do you even realize how much rainforest is cut down daily to make room for cattle farms? Do you realize that the amount of water required to produce a pound of beef is 10 times more than that used to produce a pound of vegetables? Do you realize that we could cure world hunger if we grew grains instead of cows on agricultural farmland?

No, a better question is, do you even care? And the answer is, of course, no. You live on a planet of finite resources, and yet you run through them as if they were infinite. What's the solution to peak oil? Why drive a bigger suv of course. And the solution to finite resources? Why eat more than your fair share regularly of course.

It's people like you who are the reason why this planet is going straight down the shitter. People who refuse to take any kind of stock of their actions on a global level because cheeseburgers taste too good. This is pathetic, it's like talking to three year olds.

Half the world is starving to death for simple want of grains and clean water, while said grains and clean water are fed to cows to produce expensive little meat treats that only a fraction of the world can afford, and yet, you all see nothing wrong with this.

I pity this planet and it's misguided populous. My only hope is that if there is a second life after this one, I don't have to come back to this shithole.
1. see www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html
2. we can already cure world hunger, we just dont fork over the cash to feed people (no pun intended)
3. what does oil have to do with vegetarianism?
4. theres plenty of food to go around
5. growing a cow for slaughter has nothing to do with taking stock with for ones actions
6. again see www.maddox.xmission.com/grill.html what stock are you taking in your actions?
You're both wrong.

This world is perfect. Any flaws you see in it are attributable to individual humans, and to yourselves. Not humans in general, just individuals, and just you. All their flaws are excusable, and will not defeat nature. Your flaws are, too.

Even the flaw of not including "http://" in the URL is excusable! You do know that the concept of "murder" only applies to human beings? D'uh.

The amount of rainforest cut down daily... the number who go hungry daily... or the actions of individuals who contribute... has nothing to do with anything. One individual (or one ridiculous cartoon) will not change the world.

Life feeds on life. That is the way of things. If people starve to death because they refuse to learn how to aggregate the land, or they believe what they are told, that farming the land will give them cash crops, that is their own fault. No one else's. Ignorance is no excuse.

I have not sympathy for a farmer who doesn't know his trade.

Of course! <3

I might even say it was potatoastic...but I'm not sure.

Well, the fact that I have allergic recations everytime I try meat.... I kinda keeps me away from it. Veggies make me cringe... So... I'm a breadatarian?
No, man; you're normal. Everyone chooses what goes into their mouths.

No, man; you're normal. Everyone chooses what goes into their mouths.

Is that some sorta comment on gay marriage?

Is that some sorta comment on gay marriage?
LOL!!!!!!!!!


...no.

who out there is crazy enough to put an animal's life before a human's? :confused:

In certain circumstances: me. If I for instance must choose between the life of a dog that has saved dozens of people and the life of a murdering dictator I will probably pick the dog. If I must choose between a pet that has been fiercely loyal to me throughout its life and some stranger I might well pick the pet.

But your question is silly. It is not an "all or nothing" issue. You can say humans are worth more (though actually providing arguments to support that claim will be harder than you think), but that does not mean other animals are worth nothing at all. One should therefor weigh the amount of enjoyment one gets from the use of animals (for meat, clothing, eggs, milk etc) against the suffering or harm done to the animal in question. And decide for yourself what is acceptable and what not.

I'm tired of all you people ranting about Vegas! Sure its a crappy, filthy, gutter of a town, sure its corrupt and overpriced, sure it uses up people and poops them out to dry white in the desert, sure its full of giant fiberglass monstrosities and bad imitation architecture, sure the roads are disintegrating as maniacs veer through the ceaseless construction. All of that may be true, but Vegas is still, uh....wait, what are we talking about?

It's natural to do a lot of things that aren't considered acceptable in today's society. This argument from nature is poor. We evolved these features because they provided us with the edge needed to gain dominance; now we don't need them, but they don't go away because they don't pose a disadvantage.
I made the point you referred to simply because the person directly said "Humans weren't designed to eat meat". Designed. Not, "Humans don't need to eat meat" or "Humans have a choice whether or not to enjoy the benefits of meat". That we are physically NOT DESIGNED to.
My first two years after having to cut meat from my diet, despite every effort to replace all the nutritional value with pills and such (for instance, I can't get protein from nuts, as I'm allergic to them as well), I suffered from terrible anemia from both the iron and the vitamin B-12 lost in my diet. For the entirety of that time, I was in and out of the doctors office/hospital (as well as school) for blood tests, overnight stays, and frequently, to get my stomach pumped after some failed attempt to replace the iron consumption with yet another food incompatible with my system. While it's not as bad now, or perhaps I've simply adjusted after so long, I still suffer from it and am extremely limited in physical activity as a result.
(If you want information from a reliable source to verify I'm not just kinda making this up, consult WebMD on your own time and leave my current refusal to deal with that website out of it)
Everyone vegetarian I know who chose to be so of their own accord and weren't previously informed of the necessities of a balanced diet -- they also had iron, protein, and certain necessary vitamins problems for some time.
While the argument can be made that the loss of iron in my blood and marrow could be just because I was a teenager (for some reason, the effects of puberty sometimes negatively effect some teens' iron absorption), there's no proof anywhere in my family to support that it was this rather than the loss of meat in my diet.
There's also an interesting article I recently read regarding blood types and what kind of diets those with certain blood types can more easily process. It's interesting that my blood type (B) is said to "take well to any kind of protein", and yet when you throw in an allergy to nuts and a severe digestive reaction to meat....well, kinda leaves me out in the cold :(
http://www.theallineed.com/health/05041404.htm if you want to read the article

Lastly, I recieved an email from someone, I assume from this board, stating "Just because you get a tummy ache every time you eat a hamburger doesn't mean you have to go vegetarian." It's more than just a "tummy ache" that keeps me from enjoying the kinds of food that I'd very much LIKE to eat. It's intense abdominal pain, vomitting in copious amounts, and usually if I'm stupid enough to actually attempt a full meal of meat (which I just don't do anymore), it's accompanied by alternating fever and chills. My senior year of high school I had three feet of intestines surgically removed to see if it would solve anything -- which it didn't.
Believe me, if it was simply a "minor inconvenience" to eat meat, I'd probably still do it.

Now I'm going to have to resign myself to whatever bullshit, immature response I might possibly get from this without response (though most haven't been remotely immature, but call me a pessimist), as I have to disconnect my computer to move home in a few hours (big disappointment :( ), and won't be back online for....oh, several days, one should think. I'm sure by then it'll be a dead thread anyway....oh well....

Well, the fact that I have allergic recations everytime I try meat.... I kinda keeps me away from it. Veggies make me cringe... So... I'm a breadatarian?
hes talking about the moral vegetarians who wanna "stop suffering." not eating meat is fine if your doing it for health reasons

You're both wrong.

This world is perfect. Any flaws you see in it are attributable to individual humans, and to yourselves. Not humans in general, just individuals, and just you. All their flaws are excusable, and will not defeat nature. Your flaws are, too.

Even the flaw of not including "http://" in the URL is excusable! You do know that the concept of "murder" only applies to human beings? D'uh.

The amount of rainforest cut down daily... the number who go hungry daily... or the actions of individuals who contribute... has nothing to do with anything. One individual (or one ridiculous cartoon) will not change the world.

Life feeds on life. That is the way of things. If people starve to death because they refuse to learn how to aggregate the land, or they believe what they are told, that farming the land will give them cash crops, that is their own fault. No one else's. Ignorance is no excuse.

I have not sympathy for a farmer who doesn't know his trade.
1. i am infallible it is impossible to be wrong
2. if the world were perfect humans wouldnt evolve into such disgusting creatures
3. its not flaws in individual humans, it's when humans congregate into communities and form societies. this is basic psychology (google it)
4. i chose not to use http:// because it was unnecessary and a waste of time. i am therefore more efficient than you and am thus better than you.
5. who said one individual or cartoon would "change the world?"
6. actually many people live in regions where the land is owned by people so they aren't allowed to grow food there. not only that, but many people live on infertile land. "but why dont they just get jobs and pay for food?" because there is no work jack ass. you may not realise it, but there are people starving for reasons not with in their realm of control.
7. which farmer who doesnt know his trade are you talking about?

The amount of rainforest cut down daily... the number who go hungry daily... or the actions of individuals who contribute... has nothing to do with anything. One individual (or one ridiculous cartoon) will not change the world.

Let's just give up now then. The truth is, everything that everyone does changes the world. Just because you can'tsee it, doesn't mean the change isn't there. Enough people make a change, and you can see a difference. Everything is connected.