NationStates Jolt Archive

If one thing has been made clear here in NS General, it is that many people have strongly-felt, and often clear-cut, political, economic, social and ideological beliefs, and that they also feel strongly about detailing and defending them. I?ll readily admit that I?m one of them. What I suggest is this. That there should be NS General political parties, with shared ideas, explicitly spelled out and also debated. And that there should eventually be a poll, following a campaign by the various parties, so that NS General players can vote for the party they prefer and feel closest to.

The spirit is not only to gather in defence of your own ideas, but also (and primarily) to have fun doing so.

This is how it would work:

Everyone is free (within reason) to create/start as many parties as they want, but every party, in order to be considered a genuine and official NS political party, must have a manifesto, which must be, at the very least, ten full lines in length. When a party has been created, anyone who is interested in it may join it. So you can create parties, and join other people?s parties at the same time; after all, a one-person party doesn?t make much sense, and the whole point of a party is for there to be several people in it.

Once people start joining a party, a thread can be created for it, where its participants discuss amongst themselves to come up with a manifesto. A manifesto can be anything from a statement of principles and beliefs, to a set of policies the party would like to see implemented world-wide if it had the power. Once a party has a manifesto, it is recognised as an official party, and can start campaigning, and stand in the poll that will eventually take place.

A party doesn?t have to be serious, as long as it has a manifesto; serious parties and humorous parties are equally welcome. If people feel particularly committed, they can even create a website, logo, etc. . . for their party, but that of course is optional.

Below are three parties I?m starting. If you would like to join one or more of them, just say so. Also, feel free to start your own, let everyone know what your ideals are, and wait for people with similar ideals to join you. And may the best parties flourish!


THE UNITED DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY

Evidently, many people on this forum have strong communist beliefs, of various varieties. Now, all communists can come together in a common party, debate amongst ourselves and draw up a common manifesto of our beliefs and ideals. If you would like a strong, unified, genuinely social party able to speak up for the beliefs you hold dear, then this party is for you. Come and have your say, and help shape the UDCP?s manifesto!


THE BLANK PARTY

This party is for all those who remain unconvinced by the other parties, and who want their vote to express that fact. To vote Blank is to vote against the others, without committing yourself to any particular party. It is to exercise your right to vote, while saying that none of the parties quite express your views. Coming up with a Blank manifesto will be something of a challenge, but I invite you to join the Blank Party and take up that challenge, so that blank votes will be strong on the day of the poll!


THE CULT OF TINK PARTY

There is already an official Cult of TInk, but never until today have all the Cultists come together to express their common belonging to this great movement. Join the CTP, and express your Cultism to the NS world; help ensure that the self-proclaimed Queen of General is at last recognised by all!


Links to party threads:
* Cult of TInk Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619) (manifesto (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619))
* Democratic Socialist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666))
* Freedom and Progress Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418687) (defunct)
* Goths, Hippies, and Others Against Stereotyping Types Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418686)
* Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621))
* NS Classic Liberals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418625) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208))
* NS Classic Traditionalists (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423010&page=1&pp=15)
* NS Libertarian Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418680)
* NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046))
* Party of Order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418844) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418844&page=1&pp=15))
* Party of Whatever Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418852) (manifesto (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420124))
* ProMonkians Politicised Party Campagning For The Introduction Of Reproductive Red Tape (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418710) (defunct)
* Revolutionary Trotskyist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418688) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701))
* Troon's Political Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418689) (defunct)
* United Democratic Communist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610))
* The Reason Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022))

Important rule! Read here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9041641&postcount=170)!

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg Please don't use this concept as an excuse to start spammy threads at will. Please keep it reasonable and within the normal rules of the forums. Apart from that, have at it. ~~ Fris

good idea!:)

count me in for the communist party

Count me in for the MOBRA

[Moles and Burrowing Rodents Alliance]

good idea!:)

count me in for the communist party

Wonderful! I'll start a thread where we can start debating policy and drawing up a UDCP manifesto. :)

Count me in for the MOBRA

[Moles and Burrowing Rodents Alliance]

You might want to give a little more detail as to what the MOBRA is, if you want people to join it.

Where do I submit my Manifesto?

You might want to give a little more detail as to what the MOBRA is, if you want people to join it.

I only expect burrowing rodents to join.

I'll make a manifesto one day...

Basically, Everybody should live as burrowing rodents! :D

Where do I submit my Manifesto?

Well, theoretically it would be your party's manifesto, so it would be preferable for all the members of your party to contribute to it. Just state here what your party is, and wait for people to join. Then you can create a thread where you and the other party members can decide on its manifesto.

good idea!:)

count me in for the communist party
well that's certainly dissapointing

well that's certainly dissapointing

why?

I'm torn, I don't know if I should start up a NS Libertarian party, a Classic Liberal party, or a combination of both.

Oh well. I don't have time today, so see you tomorrow.

I'm torn, I don't know if I should start up a NS Libertarian party, a Classic Liberal party, or a combination of both.

You can do both, you know. If you're ready to help draw up a manifesto for both of them. ;)

I want to start a party! I need a name...but it will have the following views:


Flat tax rates for all (exceptions for the mega-poor, roughly £5,000 a year)
A small, government funded health service. Acute cases only; people would pay for everything other than treatment of life-threatening situations
A smaller government, with less bureaucracy
A ban of smoking in all public places
Free basic education for all, with the following exception: those pupils who misbehave above age 8 are given "3 strikes and they're out". If they behave badly and cause serious problems 3 times, they are removed from the system.

There's probably more that I can't think of right now...and some of the ideas are flexible.

Anyone want to join, or am I going to be a one person party?

why?
well if my husband won't even join The Cult of Tink Party then what hope is there of anyone joining :rolleyes:


i think i'll make up my own party since that's obviously not going to be very popular

I want to start a party! I need a name...but it will have the following views:


Flat tax rates for all (exceptions for the mega-poor, roughly £5,000 a year)
A small, government funded health service. Acute cases only; people would pay for everything other than treatment of life-threatening situations
A smaller government, with less bureaucracy
A ban of smoking in all public places
Free basic education for all, with the following exception: those pupils who misbehave above age 8 are given "3 strikes and they're out". If they behave badly and cause serious problems 3 times, they are removed from the system.

There's probably more that I can't think of right now...and some of the ideas are flexible.

Anyone want to join, or am I going to be a one person party?
hmmmm...i'm not sure, i quite like the health service thing but i'm not sure whether i prefer it to fully government-funded health service, i might join yours, where would you stand on legalising prostitution, canabis and abortions?

well if my husband won't even join The Cult of Tink Party then what hope is there of anyone joining :rolleyes:

i think i'll make up my own party since that's obviously not going to be very popular

Well, you could join it, you know. I'd hate for my Cult of TInk Party to be competing against another TInk party started by you. Mine would look kind of silly then. :p

Well, you could join it, you know. I'd hate for my Cult of TInk Party to be competing against another TInk party started by you. Mine would look kind of silly then. :p
lol, ok, i'm off out now but when i get back i'll start a thread outlining my policies

well if my husband won't even join The Cult of Tink Party then what hope is there of anyone joining :rolleyes:


i think i'll make up my own party since that's obviously not going to be very popular

Join my party!

lol, ok, i'm off out now but when i get back i'll start a thread outlining my policies

Great! :fluffle:

I can start it as the official Cult of TInk Party thread, where you can dictate your policies to us. :D

Edit: And here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619) it is.

Everyone is free to create/start as many parties as they want, but every party, in order to be considered a genuine and official NS political party, must have a manifesto, which must be, at the very least, ten full lines in length.


THE UNITED DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY

Evidently, many people on this forum have strong communist beliefs, of various varieties. Now, all communists can come together in a common party, debate amongst ourselves and draw up a common manifesto of our beliefs and ideals. If you would like a strong, unified, genuinely social party able to speak up for the beliefs you hold dear, then this party is for you. Come and have your say, and help shape the UDCP’s manifesto!


THE BLANK PARTY

This party is for all those who remain unconvinced by the other parties, and who want their vote to express that fact. To vote Blank is to vote against the others, without committing yourself to any particular party. It is to exercise your right to vote, while saying that none of the parties quite express your views. Coming up with a Blank manifesto will be something of a challenge, but I invite you to join the Blank Party and take up that challenge, so that blank votes will be strong on the day of the poll!


THE CULT OF TINK PARTY

There is already an official Cult of TInk, but never until today have all the Cultists come together to express their common belonging to this great movement. Join the CTP, and express your Cultism to the NS world; help ensure that the self-proclaimed Queen of General is at last recognised by all!


Four and a half lines, five lines and three lines? You could at least play by your own rules.

hmmmm...i'm not sure, i quite like the health service thing but i'm not sure whether i prefer it to fully government-funded health service, i might join yours, where would you stand on legalising prostitution, canabis and abortions?

The cut in the fully funded HS means the taxes can stay low, so most people can afford to pay for health treatment when it arises.

I have no views on prostitution either way (I'd let my members decided on that one). Cannabis...pretty much the same way. I've seen arguments for and against it.

And abortions...well, I don't think some people should get abortions just because they were too stupid to use contraception. Having said that, I don't want a bunch of idiots just firing out babies, either.

If anyone wants to join, tell me (by one means or another) and we'll debate the issues.

The MOBRA Manifesto has been released!

The manifesto! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621)

Four and a half lines, five lines and three lines? You could at least play by your own rules.

Ehm... Go back and read what I actually wrote. The whole post. Those are not manifestos. Have you ever seen a manifesto in which people are invited to come and write the manifesto?

If anyone wants to join, tell me (by one means or another) and we'll debate the issues.

If TInk (and/or anyone else) does join your party, and you think up a name for it, you can start a thread, for you and your party members to debate it all.

Are you gonna hold an election on this, and make a government/parlement?

I'm torn, I don't know if I should start up a NS Libertarian party, a Classic Liberal party, or a combination of both.
Classic Liberal, I'll join up.

Ehm... Go back and read what I actually wrote. The whole post. Those are not manifestos. Have you ever seen a manifesto in which people are invited to come and write the manifesto?

My mistake. Mea culpa.

Are you gonna hold an election on this, and make a government/parlement?

There will be an election, eventually. When everyone has had time to create and join parties, debate ideas, come up with a manifesto, and, if they want, campaign. I don't really know how we could have a government or parliament, but it could be something to look into for the fun of it. ;)

My mistake. Mea culpa.

No problem. :)

There will be an election, eventually. When everyone has had time to create and join parties, debate ideas, come up with a manifesto, and, if they want, campaign. I don't really know how we could have a government or parliament, but it could be something to look into for the fun of it. ;)

Ok

*Looks forward to getting 1 vote*

BTW: I assume the government will be made using proportional representation

Classic Liberal, I'll join up.

We need a manifesto.

The Procrastination Party

We were going to publish a manifesto, but didn't get around to it. Maybe tomorrow. :)

The Procrastination Party

We were going to publish a manifesto, but didn't get around to it. Maybe tomorrow. :)

I can't be bothered to vote for you

We need a manifesto.
I'll try to work on something and bring it up.

*Begins thinking*

Start off with a quote... always start off with a quote.

I'll try to work on something and bring it up.

*Begins thinking*

Start off with a quote... always start off with a quote.


Points to include

- Individual rights were apparent prior to the existence of the state, so the state's main goal should be the preservation of such rights.

- Property rights are of the utmost importance, with the economic goal of a free market system.

- A constitutional government that is defined by its limited abilities to impugn these rights.

- Universal protection of individual rights

- Emphasis on social progressiveness.

Points to include

- Individual rights were apparent prior to the existence of the state, so the state's main goal should be the preservation of such rights.

- Property rights are of the utmost importance, with the economic goal of a free market system.

- A constitutional government that is defined by its limited abilities to impugn these rights.

- Universal protection of individual rights
Well, I'll work on it when I have time. Right now I'm hella late for school. If you decide to start then be my guest.

Points to include

- Individual rights were apparent prior to the existence of the state, so the state's main goal should be the preservation of such rights.

- Property rights are of the utmost importance, with the economic goal of a free market system.

- A constitutional government that is defined by its limited abilities to impugn these rights.

- Universal protection of individual rights

- Emphasis on social progressiveness.

Now that there's two of you and you're discussing your party's policies, it would be easier if you started a thread for your party and did it there. I'll put a link to it from the first post of this thread.

I'd like to reserve the name:

The Official Tree Hugging Llama's Party

For my party name while I think up a manifesto.

well that's certainly dissapointing
hey, i'm a commie AND your hubbie... i can be in both;)

and a third - Kanabia and i wanna start another party :cool:


i sure hope there's not a limit to how many parties you can belong to:p


besides i'm pretty sure you won't have any troubles getting people to join the cult

Then I shall begin the General Opposition Party (yes, the GOP).

The GOP is the party for people to stand firm against the current majority of trends and ideaologies which are an affront to the good and decent minority.

1. We stand for all that is good and reasonable and strive in our daily lives to ensure the growth and prevalence of common sense and rational thought.

2. We are deeply troubled by the state of complete disrepair that has befallen the English language and will work diligently and remain ever vigilant for the misuse and abuse of "their", "they're", and "there"; "your" and "you're"; and shall seek to stamp out all improper use of the letter Z.

3. The GOP formally and with great passion denounce ad hominem, strawman, and slippery slope combatants as nothing more than Thread Terrorists(tm) and shall seek them out, smoke them out of their holes, and bring them to swift and decisive justice.

4. We recognise the validity of all possible religious beliefs, including fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam, and members of the GOP shall henceforth gladly and willingly ignore such threads through our continued non-participation that have been deemed offensive, inappropriate, ignorant, or combative towards said religions.

5. We further recognise that Atheism is not a religion, but holds the same protection in statement four(4).

6. Members of the GOP will present arguments in a clear and concise manner, be willing to answer questions concerning their position, and be required to recognise the difference between fact and opinion even when drunk, stoned, half asleep, before our morning coffee, or when in just a generally foul mood.

Together we can make a brighter future. Today!

i sure hope there's not a limit to how many parties you can belong to:p


No, no; no limit. The more the merrier.

Hmm... Kerulavia, I agree with you on points 1, 2, 3 and 6, and even 5 although I'm an atheist myself and I do consider my atheism to be as much a religious stance as any religion. But point 4 poses a problem, in that I do feel I have a right to oppose religious fundamentalism and fanaticism, as long as I do it politely and rationally. So I'll hold back from joining for now, but I'll think about it.

But point 4 poses a problem, in that I do feel I have a right to oppose religious fundamentalism and fanaticism, as long as I do it politely and rationally. So I'll hold back from joining for now, but I'll think about it.

Well that's where the "deemed offensive, inappropriate, ignorant, or combative towards" clause comes in. Anyone capable of rational is aware of the complexity of any given situation and can reason that fanaticism is often reactionary in nature and is not a root problem in and of itself.

True rational thought is always acceptable.

"Mooslims r teh sux0rsezis!!!!one!!11!!eleven1!!" is not acceptable.

1. We stand for all that is good and reasonable and strive in our daily lives to ensure the growth and prevalence of common sense and rational thought.

2. We are deeply troubled by the state of complete disrepair that has befallen the English language and will work diligently and remain ever vigilant for the misuse and abuse of "their", "they're", and "there"; "your" and "you're"; and shall seek to stamp out all improper use of the letter Z.

3. The GOP formally and with great passion denounce ad hominem, strawman, and slippery slope combatants as nothing more than Thread Terrorists(tm) and shall seek them out, smoke them out of their holes, and bring them to swift and decisive justice.

4. We recognise the validity of all possible religious beliefs, including fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam, and members of the GOP shall henceforth gladly and willingly ignore such threads through our continued non-participation that have been deemed offensive, inappropriate, ignorant, or combative towards said religions.

5. We further recognise that Atheism is not a religion, but holds the same protection in statement four(4).

I am sure that the Classic Liberals will cast their support behind these goals as well Keruvalia.

BTW: Ariddia, you will be holding live debates on these issues, and you act as a chair ;)

Well that's where the "deemed offensive, inappropriate, ignorant, or combative towards" clause comes in. Anyone capable of rational is aware of the complexity of any given situation and can reason that fanaticism is often reactionary in nature and is not a root problem in and of itself.

True rational thought is always acceptable.

"Mooslims r teh sux0rsezis!!!!one!!11!!eleven1!!" is not acceptable.

*nods*

Well, I'll give it some more thought, and I may join you.

BTW: Ariddia, you will be holding live debates on these issues, and you act as a chair ;)

Eh... One thing at a time. ;) But yes, we could do that. Though the problem with my being chair is that I'm also campaigning.

Well, name someone else as chair!

*nods* We'll wait until party policies have been more clearly defined, though.

So... Is no one interested in joining the Blank Party, then? ;)

Bump

I want to start a party! I need a name...but it will have the following views:


Flat tax rates for all (exceptions for the mega-poor, roughly £5,000 a year)
A small, government funded health service. Acute cases only; people would pay for everything other than treatment of life-threatening situations
A smaller government, with less bureaucracy
A ban of smoking in all public places
Free basic education for all, with the following exception: those pupils who misbehave above age 8 are given "3 strikes and they're out". If they behave badly and cause serious problems 3 times, they are removed from the system.

There's probably more that I can't think of right now...and some of the ideas are flexible.

Anyone want to join, or am I going to be a one person party?
I'll join you, even though I think your smoking law is too harsh.

I also add:


environmental protection
legalised abortion
legalised drugs (yes, all of them)
full gay rights
public transport
no death penalty
free speech rights limited only by a "clear and present danger" clause
free trade; protectionism onlt when very necessary
a low, but fixed minimum wage
the right to time off at the weekends
the right to education: primary level, secondary level, and up to undergraduate third level
take in fair share of immigrants, but not too many

Eh... One thing at a time. ;) But yes, we could do that. Though the problem with my being chair is that I'm also campaigning.
good on ya comrade ;)

edit: i hope this doesn't turn into fodder for those 'short-lived NS fads' threads... this seems like a genuinely good idea to me. these parties could work in a similar vein to how the once-proposed debating teams...and they were a good idea too

I'm sort of behind everyone else in the sense that I don't have a coalition of people behind me yet, but I'd like to propose my own party even if I'm the only member.

Freedom and Progress Party

The platform of the party focuses upon:
Education
- Recognising that education is the foundation of social stability, economic growth, and a healthy democracy, primary through university education will be deemed a fundamental human right and will be provided to all citizens, free of charge unless students wish to pursue education through private institutions or homeschooling.

Environmental Stewardship
This includes:
- The development of sustainable, "green economics" policies that encourage economic growth while sustaining an environment that can be enjoyed by generations to come.

- The establishment of a "green GDP" in order to quantify environmental degradation.

- Energy policies to encourage the use of alternate fuel sources for electricity generation.

- Investment in the research to find means of alternate personal transportation over those that require fossil-fuel burning internal combustion engines.

Economy
This includes:
- The freedom for individuals to become entrepreneurs, establish their own businesses, and to reap the rewards of their hard labour. For the sake of achieving this end, a system of small business loans will be established for those wishing to submit a well thought-out prospectus for establishing a firm.

- The use of government as merely a steward of market-oriented economic policy rather than the proprietor of the economy. This means the government's role in the economy is to ensure a private sector that is uncorrupt as possible by establishing stringent rules on trusts, monopolies, accounting transparency, and ethics practises. Corporate licensing shall be contingent upon living up to ethical business practise standards.

- A fair, transparent and simple tax code. Tax rates shall be on a progressive scale and though the highest wage earners will not be forced to pay a percentage of income *significantly* higher than their counterparts in lower income brackets, luxury taxes on specific categories of high end items shall be levied.

Healthcare
- The citizens shall be expected to submit 5% of their monthly income into a National Health Savings Account, which will earn a high rate of interest. The funds in this account will be earmarked specifically for health care services and, unless otherwise specified, the funds from these accounts are to be used for health services.

- Insurance firms shall be expected to charge rates only based upon the consumer's ability to pay. Firms found to gouge consumers in this respect shall face punitive action.

Housing
- From the age of 18, or when the individual enters the workforce and begins earning, 3 % of their monthly income into an account to purchase a subsidised Housing Bureau home. If they choose to purchase a residence by other means, the funds they have saved will of course be available to put toward the purchase of that residence.

Culture
- Museums as well as classical music and theatre performances shall be open to the public, free of charge.

- Courses in appreciation of the fine arts, literature, and music will be a fundamental part of public education.

- The individual's right to worship as he or she pleases shall never be infringed upon by the state. Likewise, as the state has no business in the affairs of worship, worship should ideally have no business in the affairs of state.

Discrimination
Discrimination is forbidden on the grounds of race, religion, and sexual orientation.

Firearms
Firearms below a specific calibre shall be permitted, provided the holder undergoes a thorough background check and state-sanctioned training course.

Personal and Press Freedom
The press and the individual shall not have their freedom of speech and assembly rights infringed upon by the state or other individuals.

Oh, I'm hoping it'll last too.

Kerulavia, I'll give joining your party a try. Let me know when you get back, if you want to start a thread.

So... Is there really no-one who wants to join the Blank Party? ;)

I'm sort of behind everyone else in the sense that I don't have a coalition of people behind me yet, but I'd like to propose my own party even if I'm the only member.

Freedom and Progress Party


If you want to start a thread, when people have started joining you, I'll put a link to it from the first post in this one.

If you want to start a thread, when people have started joining you, I'll put a link to it from the first post in this one.

That would be great, thanks. :)

I'd like to start a Christian Socialist Party. Would anyone be interested in joining? I feel that despite the conflict between Pope John Paul II and Communism, Christianity and Socialism are not mutually exclusive.

never mind. I think I'll just join the already existing Democratic Socialists

I'll join you, even though I think your smoking law is too harsh.

I also add:


environmental protection
legalised abortion
legalised drugs (yes, all of them)
full gay rights
public transport
no death penalty
free speech rights limited only by a "clear and present danger" clause
free trade; protectionism onlt when very necessary
a low, but fixed minimum wage
the right to time off at the weekends
the right to education: primary level, secondary level, and up to undergraduate third level
take in fair share of immigrants, but not too many


I'm not sure as to how far you want to go with environmental protection, but I agree in principle. The drug thing is...extreme. Although I could agree. Gay rights; of course, I have nothing against homosexuals. No death penalty, seems fair enough.

Limiting freedom of speech...well, I'd have to see examples of "clear and present danger".

Everything else I agree with; only though for education, note what I originally said...

Anyone else care to join? And have we a name?

Troon, as soon as you've got a name, just create a thread for your party, and I'll link it from the first post in this one. It'll be simpler for you and your fellow party members to debate your policies in your own thread.

Syrna: Don't give up so quickly. People might still join you.

Troon, as soon as you've got a name, just create a thread for your party, and I'll link it from the first post in this one. It'll be simpler for you and your fellow party members to debate your policies in your own thread.

Yes, I will. I'm just afraid that it'll just be me, bumping it every now and then...

Okay I wish to create the "Goths, Hippies, and Others Against Stereotyping Types" Party, AKA, GHOAST.

We are a fun party which are primarily concerned with civil rights issues. Here is where we stand on some of the issues:
Abortion
Not nessecarily for or against, but definitely pro-choice.
Death Penalty
For, in extreme cases such as murder, rape, etc.
Drugs
Though we certainly do not encourage drug use/abuse in any way, we are very much for the legalisation of any and all drugs, as long as they are used in the privacy of one's own home. However, if one were to show up to work intoxicated, their employer would be well within thier writes to fire them on the spot.
Educational System
All peoples should have the right to a free public education if desired. Religion should be kept out of a public schooling curriculum unless it caters to all religions. Dress codes/school uniforms should not exist; students should be able to express themselves through their choice of clothing, or lack thereof.
Gay Marriage
For
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Speech is extremely important to the GHOAST party. Our policy is that one can say whatever they wish to say and still be within their rights, but any act of physical violence will result in strict punishment of all those who actually acted.
Human/Pet Marriage
For
Pet/Pet Marriage
For
Rapists
Convicted rapists will be castrated, tortured (for up to 12 months), and put to death.
Right to Bear Arms
Though we do not encourage gun violence, we are FOR the right to own and carry guns for non-felons, and defend oneself if attacked.

Fine, I'd like to start the Revolutionary Trotskyist party. The current democracy is a sham run by capitalist imperialists. The communist and democratic socialist parties will be doomed to failure by attempting to work through the current administrative system. We want to overhaul the system and start a socialist system. A thread will be up shortly.

I'd rather form my own party, named the 'Lobster Party.' We would have no importance-Except to be totally awsome. You can't join unless you're a Pirate-Ninja who rides a massive lobster and can be deadly with your pelvis.

LAME/10.

fine, ill make a manifesto-
1)End "free" trade which inevitably leads to poverty and exploitation. Nationalise all industry so that it's under workers' control
2)Legalise all drugs under state control
3)Rebuild the police force and disband the army
4)Bring corporate criminals to trial for their crimes
5)Increase international aid which is drawn from the money we used to spend on the military
6)Structure the payment system based on how hard a person works, how long they work and how many non-workers they need support
7)Support revolutionary trot parties on other web-based political games' forums
8)Complete secularisation of government- legalise euthanasia and polygamy to start with
9)Stamp out fascism through a genius combination of re-education and extreme violence. Also we must destroy the Cult of Tink party as it is quite clearly proto-fascist
10)Ensure that all human beings have access to shelter, food, water, electricity, clothing and gas

Here's the Lobster Party manifesto.

The Views of the Lobster Party:
Thou shall permit abortions, enthusia, and such, but not like it.
Thou shall be a Pirate and/or Ninja.
Thou must ride a Giant Lobster.
Thou can marry whom/what you want.
Thou shall not smoketh the drugs.
Thou shall be allowed every civil liberty and freedom I can think of.
Thou can have a gun if you want, but I still don't think they're a good Idea.
Thou shall recive a pension and have a just minimum wage.
Thou will have awsome Lobster public transportation.
Free healthcare, protection of the enviornment, and pie for all.

ProMonkians Politicised Party Campagning For The Introduction Of Reproductive Red Tape (or PPPCFTIORRT for short). Over the past few decades the act formally known as sex had become more common and allegedly more enjoyable - with figures today showing that almost 99% of parents have at some point engaged in 'rumpy-pumpy'. PPPCFTIORRT is well aware of these figures and proposes the following to regulate this act.

Neutering of all infants
All children will be neutered at birth, said neutering can be reversed if and when the neutered party satisfactoraly completes forms 198c (Reverse Neuter Request Form), 887 parts (A) AND (B) (Medical examination),56tc6 (Uglyness test), and pays a non-refundable deposit of £30. Reversal of neutering is only valid for the duration of the requested sexual act.

The 'Pay per Play' Tax
All particapents in the act of sex will be monitored by a team of tax instpectors who will assess the act and judge how much tax is payable upon it. The tax criteria includes: ammount of bodyily fluid consumed/spent, salinity of bodily fluid, amount of weight lost during act, legnth of act, and overall performance as rated out of ten.

Hiring of Government Approved Contraceptives
Those wishing to partake in the act of sex for so called recrational/sinfull purposes are required to request the use of a contrasceptive from their local government office. It is likely that these are to be in high demand, and since the government currently only possess around three condoms it is required that users book in advance. Users of contraceptives are expected to return said device; cleaned and dry otherwise they may face a fine.

It is hoped that all the above messures will protect future generations from the dangers of sex, while still allowing people to enjoy it safley. Also the tax money raised will be used to buy everyone a monster truck.

I've added links to all the new party threads. If I've forgotten you, let me know.

Perhaps soon, as Moleland suggested, we can have a debate between the parties? Tomorrow, maybe? I'm thinking, a representative for each party would take part, to answer questions from the public, and from the representatives of the other parties.

Here's the Lobster Party manifesto.
Thou shall not smoketh the drugs.
Thou shall be allowed every civil liberty and freedom I can think of.


Riiiiight.......

Freedom
- The 'right' to do as you please as long as it does not harm another citizen (harm meaning physical or proven psychological harm - 'offence' doesn't cut it)

Safety
- A ban on lethal weapons - nonlethal weapons (e.g. pepper spray, tazers, those weird laser things that take your skin off) are permitted when in posession of a license to prove proficiency
- Retention of the Armed Forces - just because we don't believe war is usually the answer, doesn't mean it will just disappear

User-friendly Government
- Decentralisation of government, elimination of national boundaries
- Graduated anarcho-democratic government: all citizens vote on relevant issues, but can pass their vote to a representative - most people don't want, nor are qualified to have, a direct say in many issues, and may instead subjugate the official rendering of their view to any person they believe to have a better grasp of the situation

Justice
- Elimination of juries in trials - instead, 12 judges will decide the case: 4 chosen by the defendant, 4 by the prosecution,and 4 at random from those available.
- Focus on rehabilitation where possible
- Re-assessing all legislation to ensure it fits the modern perspective
- Legalisation of all drugs, but only for use under supervision
- Lisencing for weapons, procreation, and viewing of adult material (it's not a question of age, but a question of maturity)
- Legalisation of marriage between 2 or more people of any sex

Education
- Complete educational reform - no more 'lies-to-children', higher levels of education at lower ages, and schools to split into 4 groups - Technical, Academic, Vocational and Art - at the age of 14.

Society
- Ban on enforced religion for children
- Gradual disolving of the "nuclear" 'family unit', in place of a more open, communal upbringing for children
- Implants for biometric data, GPS, etc. This information can be viewed by anyone, at any time. Also, video cameras in every possible location
- Fully computerised banking, with transactions only authorised by implant - so no identity theft, fraud, material money, etc.

Recommended reading:
The Star Fraction by Ken MacLeod (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0765301563/qid=1115931848/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl/026-6064263-1939635)
The Light of Other Days by Arthur C. Clarke and Stephen Baxter (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0002247534/qid=1115932054/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2_2/026-6064263-1939635)
K-PAX/K-PAX II by Gene Brewer (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/074756695X/qid=1115932123/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/026-6064263-1939635) (The third K-PAX book isn't really necessary, or entertaining)

Any takers? Any ideas for a name, for that matter?

EDIT: I believe that this party, if in full power, will be able to eradicate 99% of crime by dint of making it impossible, unprofitable, and providing instant prosecution in most cases due to GPS.

I'll start a party: the P3 Party.

P3 stands for the three main "pillars" of my party:

Progressive
Pro-Life
Promising (but not flip-flopping)

It is a centre-left party, blending liberal, conservative and communist ideals, but not equally.

I believe that instead of a long and boring manifesto, that I should do this in UK Liberal Democrats style:

SOVEREIGNTY not CONFORMISM
EQUALITY not FAVOURITISM
EUTHANASIA not PAIN
LIFE not ABORTION
PUBLIC not PROFITABLE
PRIVACY not IDENTIFIABILITY
ACCEPTANCE not PERSECUTION
SECULARISM not PIETY
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION not UNIFORMISM
P3 PARTY not ANYTHING ELSE

Basically, we are an anti-business, anti-alliance (as in we oppose joining alliances or unions to be bossed around, we have no qualms in joining alliances to help others), pro-life, progressive freedom party.

If anybody wishes to do something with this party, then please let me know. Otherwise, I'll just campaign etc.

yay the UDCP has 14 members!:)

and we're getting close to that elusive manifesto too


http://www.hlj.me.uk/pics/UDCP%202.jpg

http://www.hlj.me.uk/pics/UDCP%202.jpg

I'm still curious as to what the yellow stands for. ;)

Riiiiight.......

What a pretty paradox!

I want an anarchy party of which I'm the leader

Bump to celebrate reopening.

I hate it how no one acknowlages the Lobster Party.

The Lobsters shall live on!

I hate it how no one acknowlages the Lobster Party.

The Lobsters shall live on!

Provide a link to a manifesto (if it is somewhat serious, look at MOBRA for an example of a somewhat serious non traditional political party)

how bout the confederation party

Believes in decentralization, devolution, states rights and anti-federalism

how bout the confederation party

Believes in decentralization, devolution, states rights and anti-federalism

Can I suggest you look at the NS Classic Liberal party. Link in the first post of this thread..

(This is based on what you said here, and in the Pol Sci thread)

Im surprise their is no Christain Democrat party, where are you religious people

Liberals look most intresting i'll probably join them

I want an anarchy party of which I'm the leader
There are no "leaders" in anarchy, LG. That's why it's called "anarchy," remember?? Jeeze! What am I going to do with you??? Tsk! :D

All parties, when your formal, official manifesto is ready, and you are therefore qualified to stand in the election, please post a link to it here.

There are no "leaders" in anarchy, LG. That's why it's called "anarchy," remember?? Jeeze! What am I going to do with you??? Tsk! :D
Put your glasses on gramps. It's Legless Pirates, not Lunatic Goofballs :p

Theres no support for my militant trotskyist party. Pussies

My manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621)

If your party has completed its manifesto, and I haven't indicated it in the first post of this thread, please let me know here.

If your party hasn't completed its manifesto, remember it has to be done before June 2nd.

To make the election more "interesting", I've been thinking there should be MP seats up for grabs. Since some parties have fairly few members, I'm thinking twenty seats all in all. So, to get a seat, you'll need 5% of the overall vote. Those elected will be able to indicate in their signature that they are an NS General MP. ;)

If your party has completed its manifesto, and I haven't indicated it in the first post of this thread, please let me know here.

If your party hasn't completed its manifesto, remember it has to be done before June 2nd.

To make the election more "interesting", I've been thinking there should be MP seats up for grabs. Since some parties have fairly few members, I'm thinking twenty seats all in all. So, to get a seat, you'll need 5% of the overall vote. Those elected will be able to indicate in their signature that they are an NS General MP. ;)
crap... the UDCP has over 20 members by itself:p
good idea though
[edit: so how will that work? NSers vote for people and not just parties or what? :confused:
some kind of proportional representation... the party gets x number of seats and divides them up accordingly, by themselves? [/edit]


and you already know it (of course) but the UDCP has completed its manifesto. it can be read here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610)

If your party has completed its manifesto, and I haven't indicated it in the first post of this thread, please let me know here.

If your party hasn't completed its manifesto, remember it has to be done before June 2nd.

To make the election more "interesting", I've been thinking there should be MP seats up for grabs. Since some parties have fairly few members, I'm thinking twenty seats all in all. So, to get a seat, you'll need 5% of the overall vote. Those elected will be able to indicate in their signature that they are an NS General MP. ;)

How about there being 50 seats? 2%=1 seat?

That'll give some of the smallier parties (IE: mine) a chance of getting a seat?

if a party doesn't have enough people, It can randomly recruit people to stand ofr them from other parties :D

so how will that work? NSers vote for people and not just parties or what? :confused:
some kind of proportional representation... the party gets x number of seats and divides them up accordingly, by themselves?

Proportional representation. You vote for a party. Say that a party gets 22% of the vote. That averages out as 4 seats. The party then distributes those seats amongst its members as it sees fit.

How about there being 50 seats? 2%=1 seat?

That'll give some of the smallier parties (IE: mine) a chance of getting a seat?

if a party doesn't have enough people, It can randomly recruit people to stand ofr them from other parties :D

If a party hasn't got enough members, then the seats remain empty. Say, if you win five seats but your party has only got three members, then two seats will remain empty.

I'm willing for there to be 50 seats (or at least, to discuss it), but that'll mean a *lot* of empty seats, probably - and it'll just look silly. ;)

Proportional representation. You vote for a party. Say that a party gets 22% of the vote. That averages out as 4 seats. The party then distributes those seats amongst its members as it sees fit.
good good.

how about a compromise? 33 seats = 3% each seat. more than 20, less than 50

good good.

how about a compromise? 33 seats = 3% each seat. more than 20, less than 50

Yes, that's possible, though I'm still concerned that's going to result in a lot of empty seats.

I'm not going to win to many seats (I'm a small, very extreme random party)

I'll be lucky to get 1% of the vote :D

Yes, that's possible, though I'm still concerned that's going to result in a lot of empty seats.
quite possibly... how many "MPs" are there accross all the parties (roughly)

about 24 in the UDCP i think

I have 5....

Well, let's see if anyone from the other parties has any thoughts on the matter... And also how many members their parties have.

Since the election is in just a few days, I'm going to contact the leaders of the parties who have not yet completed their manifesto.

This is also a BUMP. ;)

I have waited as long as possible for further input.

Here is The Manifesto of the NS Classical Liberal Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208)


We are not bothered how the election is run, so long as it is fair, and there is no intimidation or enforcement allowed at the polling stations.

I have waited as long as possible for further input.

Here is The Manifesto of the NS Classical Liberal Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208)


We are not bothered how the election is run, so long as it is fair, and there is no intimidation or enforcement allowed at the polling stations.

Aren't we allowed to post campaign posters at the Election?

Aren't we allowed to post campaign posters at the Election?

In your case, you are welcome to post them underground!

Seriously - what do you mean by this?

Aren't we allowed to post campaign posters at the Election?
campaign posters, eh? good idea

*gets to work*

To sum up, the parties able to stand in the election so far are:

Cult of TInk Party
Democratic Socialist Party
MOBRA
NS Classic Liberals
Party of Whatever Works
United Democratic Communist Party

If no-one has any further thoughts on the matter, I'm going to set the number of available seats at 25. Keeps things simple in terms of percentages, it's higher than I'd originally intended (to increase the number of seats per party slightly), and it should limit the number of empty seats.

In your case, you are welcome to post them underground!

Seriously - what do you mean by this?

Campaign posters to get people to vote for you!

A reminder to the following parties that they will *not* be able to stand in the NS General election unless they have a full and official manifesto:

GHOAST Party
NS Libertarian Party
Party of Order
Revolutionary Trostkyist Party

campaign posters, eh? good idea

*gets to work*

Well? How are they coming? ;)

Well? How are they coming? ;)
they're not just yet, tho i have thought about em:)

got another exam on tuesday so i'm a little distracted at the mo, but i'll give something a go tomorrow with a bit of luck

IMPORTANT

The revolutionary trotskyist party (RTP) now has a manifesto

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701

campaign posters, eh? good idea

*gets to work*
:eek: I want posters! *attempst to get to work*

:eek: I want posters! *attempst to get to work*
ok, i'll do you a cool poster too if you like :)

but it'll all have to be tomorrow now - off to uni in about 5 minutes & exam tomorrow morning (yay :rolleyes: )

How very democratic- 2 parties being run by the same people

ok, i'll do you a cool poster too if you like :)

but it'll all have to be tomorrow now - off to uni in about 5 minutes & exam tomorrow morning (yay :rolleyes: )
yay! thanks!

good luck with the exam :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

yay! thanks!

good luck with the exam :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
heh, thanks - i'll need it! :p

have a good evening :)

*Feels proud to have his party on the list.*

IMPORTANT

The revolutionary trotskyist party (RTP) now has a manifesto

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701

Noted. You are now entilted to stand in the election. Your party will be on the list in the election tomorrow.

First post updated, to indicate new parties, and parties which now have a manifesto.

There are, at present, nine parties entitled to compete in tomorrow's election. Which is perfect, since it means they can fit into a single poll.

First post updated, to indicate new parties, and parties which now have a manifesto.

There are, at present, nine parties entitled to compete in tomorrow's election. Which is perfect, since it means they can fit into a single poll.

I don't know if I'm too late or if this ruins your perfect poll but here is my manifesto.

The Oxygen Party

I stole the name of this party from Ingrid Betancourt but the ideals are similar.

1. The primary focus of the party is the preservation of the environment.

2. To do achieve this, corruption in the political system must be eliminated, thus the party will receive no corporate sponsorship.

3. Technology will be used to produce environmentally friendly energy supplies and to find more efficient ways of cultivating and storing food.

4. To ensure such advances in technology are achieved the party will make education a priority second only to the environment with the goal of making a workforce with specialized skills ie. doctors, engineers, chemists, etc. our primary export.

5. We will have no military but will train civilians in wilderness survival techniques and passive civil resistance so that if a foreign power invades us we will practice non-co-operation to discourage their occupation.

6. The government will be run by Regional Councilors who are democratically elected to a High Council. Each Councilor will appoint their own staff to address various issues within their region.

7. Legalization of drugs, alcohol and tobacco will be determined by national referendums and a uniform law will be placed throughout all regions. Regardless of the legal status the government will neither subsidize nor tax these items.

8. Laws on Abortion and Euthanasia will also be decided by popular vote.

9. The Age of Consent is determined by written and oral exams that can only be written after completion of high school. The exams focus on domestic law, personal health, foreign policy and economics. Those who pass the exams will be given an Age of Consent card and number which will allow them to vote, get married, serve in the military, etc.

10. Schools, Hospitals, Clinics, Police and Fire Departments are government run.

Oye Oye, you can start a thread for your party, where people can join you and help debate your party's policy. I can then link it from this thread's first post.

Edit: Since the original rules were that a manifesto should not be drawn up until it is produced by a process of internal discussion within the party, I'm not going to allow scores of new one-person parties to pop up with instant manifestos - so please find yourself some followers if you want to stand. All the more so since the mods don't want party threads to multiply excessively.

Is there any far right parties here sort of right of the Tory but left of the BNP

Is there any far right parties here sort of right of the Tory but left of the BNP

There's the NS Classic Traditionalists, but unless they get themselves a manifesto they won't be allowed to stand.

This is a great initiative, and could potentialy be alot of fun. Thank you for starting this up. :)

/applause

This is a great initiative, and could potentialy be alot of fun. Thank you for starting this up. :)

/applause

You're welcome. I'm glad you like it. :)

Can you put a linky to the election thread when you set it up?

Can you put a linky to the election thread when you set it up?

Yes, of course.

I look forward to the election... and I hope I win.

I hope you are prepared to deal with vote rigging, such as clone voters.

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/2303/image084mad0rp6ry.jpg

I look forward to the election... and I hope I win.

I hope you are prepared to deal with vote rigging, such as clone voters.

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/2303/image084mad0rp6ry.jpg

LOL

LOL

You dare to laugh at the almighty TIN, your future leader?

You dare to laugh at the almighty TIN, your future leader?

I find you highly honourable... for a surfacer!!!!!!!

Haha! Even if we lose we're going to seize power- chew on that, capitalist pigs

Have any of your parties got a symbolic colour (like party badges in the UK)?

The UDCP is red, obviously (well, red & yellow); the COTP, of course, is pink. ;)

NS Classic Liberals are Dark Orange. See sig.

Black is the colour of the Order party.

Seeing as those traitors in the UDCP took red and yellow the RTP will take red and black

Seeing as those traitors in the UDCP took red and yellow the RTP will take red and black
hee :D


well, black is more apt for a revolutionist party anyway ;)

hee :D


well, black is more apt for a revolutionist party anyway ;)
You've made me take the anarchist colours. I feel so.... unclean

I just finished my NS Meritocratic Representative Republican manifesto.

You've made me take the anarchist colours. I feel so.... unclean
well it won't matter once you overthrow the capitalist pig-dogs anyway ;)



*coughs*

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/PureMetal/UDCPbanner.jpg


oh and just checking... the UDCP is counted as having submitted its manifesto, right? it would piss me off no end if our party wasn't included in the election.... though i'm sure Aridd wouldn't let that happen ;)

I just finished my NS Meritocratic Representative Republican manifesto.

Where is it? I'll link it in this thread's first post.

Hmm... We may just end up with too many parties. Though Melkor Unchained said he didn't mind his party not participating, so we can remove it if we need room.

Can you make me a poster PM? My colour is black, our motto is "Order at any cost".

http://www.metalrevolution.com/flags/b51448-reaper-sickle.jpg

Followers of the other parties... your end is at hand. Bow down before TIN, or horrors unimaginable will flow over you... Surrender to me, or I shall show you my stepdads stained underwear! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

well it won't matter once you overthrow the capitalist pig-dogs anyway ;)



*coughs*

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/PureMetal/UDCPbanner.jpg


oh and just checking... the UDCP is counted as having submitted its manifesto, right? it would piss me off no end if our party wasn't included in the election.... though i'm sure Aridd wouldn't let that happen ;)
the UDCP poster is better than the one you made for me!

Can you make me a poster PM? My colour is black, our motto is "Order at any cost".

http://www.metalrevolution.com/flags/b51448-reaper-sickle.jpg

Followers of the other parties... your end is at hand. Bow down before TIN, or horrors unimaginable will flow over you... Surrender to me, or I shall show you my stepdads stained underwear! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
possibly - i have an exam tomorrow & need revision pretty bad, plus i'm leaving to go back to uni about 7ish, but i'll see what i can do :)

check it, i know im shit at using paint but

http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6356/rtp3cg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

the UDCP poster is better than the one you made for me!
sorry :(
i did yours first and got ideas for the UDCP one as i did yours

besides, i know more about the UDCP policies than COTP ones... i pretty much know the udcp manifesto by heart (sad i know) and i was doing them about 1 in the morning so i just didn't bother looking up your manifesto.

they're also different styles - i tried to do yours "nice", approachable & pink, while i tried to do the UDCP one bold and powerful


sorry. nothing meant by it :(


though you gotta admit, all that pink does give it a commanding presence on the page ;)


check it, i know im shit at using paint but

http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6356/rtp3cg.jpg
awesome! :)

I just finished my NS Meritocratic Representative Republican manifesto.

Added. There are now ten parties. Just enough to squeeze into one poll.

There are now ten parties.
Yeah and only one that's worthwhile- the RTP

Anyone using grey, blue, or green? I'd like to use one of those as my party color, preferably blue, then grey, then green.

Anyone using grey, blue, or green? I'd like to use one of those as my party color, preferably blue, then grey, then green.

Not that I know of.

Well, I'm going to bed, and when I get up in the morning I'll start the election. Good luck to you all, and may you have fun. :)

The election (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423271) has begun!

Whoops... Arridia, a small typo has come to my attention. I should be the burrowing, not borrowing.

Whoops... Arridia, a small typo has come to my attention. I should be the burrowing, not borrowing.

Erm... Unfortunately, I don't think I can alter the poll.

Ah well, As long as people know, and from now on you change it. Fine (It's my fault...)

I would like to start a party, so here goes...

NS Moderate Conservative Party

The Nationstates Moderate Conservative Party is hereby formed with the following views on various issues:


Taxes: We believe in low taxes. However, we also think that the tax percentage should be slightly increased for those in the upper income brackets.
We believe that welfare should be used sparingly. It is essential to a good nation, however, we think that it should be limited to a certain amount and people should slowly recieve less and less until they get a job.
We are PRO-LIFE and are against abortion, death penalty, and embryo stem cell research.
We support the public and private education institutions, and encourage students to attend private schools if they can afford to do so.
We support business of all types, and we strongly support the capitalistic system.
We support free speech, but don't support the abuse of this freedom.
We are open to new ideas, and embrace progress and tradition at the same time.


This party shall discuss its positions on current and new issues every two weeks at a party meeting. The party shall be made up of the following offices:


Party Leader - Shall lead the party and run the party meetings. Will also help clarify the party's stances on various issues.
Secondary Leader - Shall work with the party's communications and paper work.


The officers will be elected once a month by the members of the party. Simple majority wins. In the case of a tie, the first vote shall be the deciding vote.
i know i speak on behalf of Aridd when i say, great :) good to have another party and good luck!

first of all start a thread for your party so you can discuss issues there (and not clog up this thread), and second, your party will only be considered an official NS party once you have submitted a (at least) 10 line manifesto here. i assume that the list above is a statement of your ideologies, not a specific manifesto. a good example of structured manifesto can be found here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610

however, i'm sorry to say, you've started right at the end of the current Election. i'm not sure when the next one will be but we'd be delighted if you keep developing your party and put yourself forward for the campaign next time!

i know i speak on behalf of Aridd when i say, great :) good to have another party and good luck!

first of all start a thread for your party so you can discuss issues there (and not clog up this thread), and second, your party will only be considered an official NS party once you have submitted a (at least) 10 line manifesto here. i assume that the list above is a statement of your ideologies, not a specific manifesto. a good example of structured manifesto can be found here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610

however, i'm sorry to say, you've started right at the end of the current Election. i'm not sure when the next one will be but we'd be delighted if you keep developing your party and put yourself forward for the campaign next time!

What a shame, they have deleted it. Will they start up a thread for it. To be honest, the election needed a conservative party.

What a shame, they have deleted it. Will they start up a thread for it. To be honest, the election needed a conservative party.
Agreed. I would have felt rather disenfranchised if I were a conservative, as about the closest party to that that I could tell was the MRRP, and they aren't very close at all.

Agreed. I would have felt rather disenfranchised if I were a conservative, as about the closest party to that that I could tell was the MRRP, and they aren't very close at all.

Good thing is, they did start a thread. :D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423962

Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested if I created a Blank Party? It was something I had suggested right from the start:


THE BLANK PARTY

This party is for all those who remain unconvinced by the other parties, and who want their vote to express that fact. To vote Blank is to vote against the others, without committing yourself to any particular party. It is to exercise your right to vote, while saying that none of the parties quite express your views. Coming up with a Blank manifesto will be something of a challenge, but I invite you to join the Blank Party and take up that challenge, so that blank votes will be strong on the day of the poll!


I don't really want to start it unless I know there will be other members, people interested in joining... Let me know if you'd like to.

Is anyone interested in joining a monarchist party? I haven't made a manifesto yet, but it will be mid evil rules, such as no divorce or adultery.

Bump.

Can you add the Party of Peeple That Can Spell Corectly (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423588) to that list?

Constitutional Issues: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424480

Procedural Issues: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9030286

Can I found the Emphatically Silly Party? I could write a manifesto and everything! Please.

Can you add the Party of Peeple That Can Spell Corectly (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423588) to that list?

I will do, once you've got members to join you and you've started discussions for a manifesto.

Can I found the Emphatically Silly Party? I could write a manifesto and everything! Please.

Of course, if you can find people to join you, and have ideas to flesh out into an eventual manifesto.

Am I allowed to make a manifesto and say it's a party before anyone actually joins?

Am I allowed to make a manifesto and say it's a party before anyone actually joins?
yep.

edit: its the manifesto thats important. if you want to be essentially a dictatorship party, where you dictate the manifesto etc, then go ahead. if you want a democratic party, start a thread for your party, propose what general views it will stand for, and invite others to join and/or just help out with the manifesto drafting


Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested if I created a Blank Party? It was something I had suggested right from the start:



I don't really want to start it unless I know there will be other members, people interested in joining... Let me know if you'd like to.
heh, i like the sound of the challenge drawing up a manfiesto there :p
if it gets off the ground let me know cos it sounds like fun ;)

heh, i like the sound of the challenge drawing up a manfiesto there :p
if it gets off the ground let me know cos it sounds like fun ;)

Well, I'll start it as soon as I'm not the only member, so if you want to join that's enough to get it going. ;)

BUMP

I will do, once you've got members to join you and you've started discussions for a manifesto.
I've got a manifesto, just no members yet. The link was to the manifesto. :(

In view of all the party threads springing up, for parties which then sink back into oblivion as quickly as they had appeared,

Bearing in mind the original guidelines I had set out, and also the mods' request that such threads should not be created in excess,

I'm hereby re-asserting the rule that, if you want to create a party, post your idea here, and then wait for people to express an interest and say they'll join you before you start a thread.

In other words, don't start a party thread until you've got at least one member beside yourself for it.

Thank you.

BUMP. Anyone for a Blank Party? PM? ;)

But you are both members of the UDCP

But you are both members of the UDCP

And your point would be? ;)

BUMPed.

Originally posted by Arridia
In view of all the party threads springing up, for parties which then sink back into oblivion as quickly as they had appeared,

Bearing in mind the original guidelines I had set out, and also the mods' request that such threads should not be created in excess,

I'm hereby re-asserting the rule that, if you want to create a party, post your idea here, and then wait for people to express an interest and say they'll join you before you start a thread.

In other words, don't start a party thread until you've got at least one member beside yourself for it.

Thank you.

Oops. I already made my thread. Anyway, I'll put the link here to see if anyone signs up. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9040461

BUMPed. Don't start party threads on your own!

In view of all the party threads springing up, for parties which then sink back into oblivion as quickly as they had appeared,

Bearing in mind the original guidelines I had set out, and also the mods' request that such threads should not be created in excess,

I'm hereby re-asserting the rule that, if you want to create a party, post your idea here, and then wait for people to express an interest and say they'll join you before you start a thread.

In other words, don't start a party thread until you've got at least one member beside yourself for it.

Thank you.

My own party idea here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425498

It's basically the same concept around any 'independent' party, like American's Green Party or Reform Party: open-mindedness and tolerance for people throughout the political spectrum. And our ideals reflect that, I think. We won't outright support simply Liberal or simply Conservative policies, but we aren't Centrists, either.

But consider that a rough draft. I'm going to draft a revised version, with a simplified section stating our basic policies and a second section regarding the specific basis for our policies.

Are the elections happening soon? Because I haven't even been able to find a party I can agree with, and I've looked through them all. The "blank" party doesn't seem like much of a party at all.

My own party idea here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425498

It's basically the same concept around any 'independent' party, like American's Green Party or Reform Party: open-mindedness and tolerance for people throughout the political spectrum. And our ideals reflect that, I think. We won't outright support simply Liberal or simply Conservative policies, but we aren't Centrists, either.

But consider that a rough draft. I'm going to draft a revised version, with a simplified section stating our basic policies and a second section regarding the specific basis for our policies.

Are the elections happening soon? Because I haven't even been able to find a party I can agree with, and I've looked through them all. The "blank" party doesn't seem like much of a party at all.

When other people have joined you, and you've got a simplified outline as a basis upon which to draw up a manifesto with your fellow party members, let me me and I'll add you to the list of offiial political parties.

The next election will be, at most, in just under four months.

I am planning to create a Social-Global Reform Party. Although the voting is over, the party will wait it out until the next election. We stand for improving the living conditions of the underprivileged, reforming the world back into a civilized home to the people of Earth, and continuing the pursuit of knowledge of Earth and beyond.

Any Takers?

Hey Ill join the SGRP! Starting my own party sucks.

Or if anyones interested Im interested in starting a Liberal Union Party.

We will be liberal on most issues, obviously liberal and libertarian in most policies. But we will look at each area indivudually and form a view based on what we think is best and not try to just stick to a simple ideology.

Any takers?

Anyone know when the next election is?

Or if anyones interested Im interested in starting a Liberal Union Party.

We will be liberal on most issues, obviously liberal and libertarian in most policies. But we will look at each area indivudually and form a view based on what we think is best and not try to just stick to a simple ideology.

Any takers?

You can't just stop being a blairite.

I havent stopped. Im just...Dissillusioned. I can be a liberal and a blairite.

I havent stopped. Im just...Dissillusioned. I can be a liberal and a blairite.

Bye. Forever. Again.

I CAN!!!!!!! YOU CANT JUST BE STUBBORN!

I can accept the majority of Blairite policies, but still disregaurd their stance on civil liberties.

Geez. Politics isnt black and white you know!

I CAN!!!!!!! YOU CANT JUST BE STUBBORN!

I can accept the majority of Blairite policies, but still disregaurd their stance on civil liberties.

Geez. Politics isnt black and white you know!

No. Its red and blue.

You and I dont seem to agree on much do we Gambolshia? :D

No. Its red and blue.

It doesnt have to be (But it often is) Bi-lateral.

I dont think hes coming back.

It doesnt have to be (But it often is) Bi-lateral.

As I am a classic liberal, I agree, but in the UK at least it is right of centre, or stupid. This could explain why I live in Brazil. (At least the weather and women are good ;) )

As I am a classic liberal, I agree, but in the UK at least it is right of centre, or stupid. This could explain why I live in Brazil. (At least the weather and women are good ;) )

lol. Did you use to live in UK?

hmm, would anyone be willin' to sign up for an oligarchist party? it wouldn't be generally totalitarian, for i feel that noone would sign up if it were a totalitarian oligarchy. the people in the oligarchy would be whoever achieved highest rank in something, and i'm not quite shure how it would work as a party.

i'm also surprised that noone's founded an anti-party party as a joke yet, heheh.

lol. Did you use to live in UK?

Yes. I am good British stock. I left in early 1998, I couldn't bring myself to vote conservative and I detest Blair (well actually it was more Mandelson I hated, but there was no difference at the time) so I left.

The Civil Liberties Party

The idea is that Personal Freedoms are sacrosanct, and must be top priority. Economic growth is all well and good, but not at the expence of people. I also feel that it would be important to remember that MY rights end when they harm YOU. Anyone interested can post here, then if we get members, we can discuss our manifesto.

How about the New Democratic Party of Nation States (or NS NDP for short).

A social democrat party that fights for labour, social programs, multiculture, environment, ordinary people, and the poor.

Good idea or not.

The Civil Liberties Party

The idea is that Personal Freedoms are sacrosanct, and must be top priority. Economic growth is all well and good, but not at the expence of people. I also feel that it would be important to remember that MY rights end when they harm YOU. Anyone interested can post here, then if we get members, we can discuss our manifesto.

Try the Classic Liberals. (Liberal in the European sense not American)

New Democratic Party of Nation States (or NS NDP for short).

Anybody wanna start this party? :D

Try the Classic Liberals. (Liberal in the European sense not American)

I'll check it out. What's the link?

I'll check it out. What's the link?

Go to the first page of this thread and then find "NS Classic Liberals" from the list of parties on the bottom of the first post.

found it, but I think I'll keep looking.

I'm interested in starting a NS political party based on the tenets of Conservatism--I'm tempted to say TRUE conservatism but I don't want to sound condescending. However, my intent is to have a party that resembles early U.S. Conservatism--pretty much what many would consider modern day libertarianism. It's close to libertarianism, but a bit different. The concept is largely the ideals established by the founding fathers. I will go over some brief points to generate interest, and if enough people are considering joining my party, I will post a complete "manifesto" of the Conservative Party stance (the party name is open to change as well). Basically, the system of government would be small, non-interventionist(both economically, socially and foreign policy-wise). Income tax would be extremely low (debating as to whether I implement a national sales tax to replace it (aka the "Fair Tax)--again, up to debate). Spending would be drastically cut to make up for the low taxes (will explain further).

It would be extremely democratic, often solving tough moral issues such as gay marriage, etc. by popular vote (although there would be a separation of church and state--implemented in the context in which it was established).

Economically, we advocate free-market capitalism (not modern day neo-conservative corporatism), with limited regulations to ensure competition. Tariffs and corporate welfare would be abolished.

Foreign policy would entail heavy diplomatic ties with most nations, to avoid military entanglements. Equally heavy funding would go into intelligence in an effort to gain information vital to the protection of the populace.

In the belief that the government is generally inefficient, and ineffective (with the tendency to be corrupted), government funding would be limited to only that which is necessary for the protection of the people: military, law & order, education (often considered more "liberal", public education would enable people to have the ability to suceed in the society), and limited funding towards internal maitenance (ie road construction, etc.).

Social security would be abolished. Only limited welfare for those who are completely incapable of getting a job and providing for themselves (mentally ill and handicapped). Such welfare would be sufficient for a reasonable living. Healthcare would be privatized. Charity would replace welfare.

These are just the generally basic ideas. As a "true" conservative, I am enraged by the neo (pseudo) conservative movement in America. I wish to establish a NS party that coincides with many of the original beliefs of the founding fathers, as well as the belief that the government should only provide that which is necessary for safety. We also believe that people should be in charge of their "destiny", and the government should keep out.

Comments? Ideas or suggestions?

Thanks.

Oh, and after discussions with other people interested with joining the Conservative Party, we will make an official manifesto. My above post is merely to generate interest. In addition, it is not entirely rigid either. While certain central ideals will be maintained, it is not by any means perfect.

How about the New Democratic Party of Nation States (or NS NDP for short).

A social democrat party that fights for labour, social programs, multiculture, environment, ordinary people, and the poor.

Good idea or not.

Well, there are already two communist parties and one social-democratic one...

bump :D

*submits new proposal* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430470)

Can I recruit Members for a Moderate Socialist party? I am socialist, but I dont believe in Communisim, and the other socialist parties here all seem to be Communist.

Would anyone join? Or should I even bother making a name?

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Come on?

This party was started a few weeks ago, but as it isn't in the list in this thread, I thought I should mention the Imperial Party: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424822 .

A party started by one person isn't recognised as an official party, and cannot stand in an election. You must find someone willing to start a party with you, not start it on your own. That's to avoid heaps of one-man parties springing up and collapsing into oblivion just as quickly.

I wish to start a party called the Democratic Communist Party. I believe we should all follow Marx and Engles. The manifesto will be as following:

The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the earliest towns. From these burgesses the first elements of the bourgeoisie were developed.

The discovery of America, the rounding of the Cape, opened up fresh ground for the rising bourgeoisie. The East-Indian and Chinese markets, the colonisation of America, trade with the colonies, the increase in the means of exchange and in commodities generally, gave to commerce, to navigation, to industry, an impulse never before known, and thereby, to the revolutionary element in the tottering feudal society, a rapid development.

The feudal system of industry, in which industrial production was monopolised by closed guilds, now no longer sufficed for the growing wants of the new markets. The manufacturing system took its place. The guild-masters were pushed on one side by the manufacturing middle class; division of labour between the different corporate guilds vanished in the face of division of labour in each single workshop.

Meantime the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even manufacturer no longer sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery revolutionised industrial production. The place of manufacture was taken by the giant, Modern Industry; the place of the industrial middle class by industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies, the modern bourgeois.

Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages.

We see, therefore, how the modern bourgeoisie is itself the product of a long course of development, of a series of revolutions in the modes of production and of exchange.

Each step in the development of the bourgeoisie was accompanied by a corresponding political advance of that class. An oppressed class under the sway of the feudal nobility, an armed and self-governing association in the medieval commune(4): here independent urban republic (as in Italy and Germany); there taxable “third estate” of the monarchy (as in France); afterwards, in the period of manufacturing proper, serving either the semi-feudal or the absolute monarchy as a counterpoise against the nobility, and, in fact, cornerstone of the great monarchies in general, the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his, real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.

The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.

The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.

The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. Just as it has made the country dependent on the towns, so it has made barbarian and semi-barbarian countries dependent on the civilised ones, nations of peasants on nations of bourgeois, the East on the West.

The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff.

The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature’s forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation or rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground — what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?

We see then: the means of production and of exchange, on whose foundation the bourgeoisie built itself up, were generated in feudal society. At a certain stage in the development of these means of production and of exchange, the conditions under which feudal society produced and exchanged, the feudal organisation of agriculture and manufacturing industry, in one word, the feudal relations of property became no longer compatible with the already developed productive forces; they became so many fetters. They had to be burst asunder; they were burst asunder.

Into their place stepped free competition, accompanied by a social and political constitution adapted in it, and the economic and political sway of the bourgeois class.

A similar movement is going on before our own eyes. Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells. For many a decade past the history of industry and commerce is but the history of the revolt of modern productive forces against modern conditions of production, against the property relations that are the conditions for the existence of the bourgeois and of its rule. It is enough to mention the commercial crises that by their periodical return put the existence of the entire bourgeois society on its trial, each time more threateningly. In these crises, a great part not only of the existing products, but also of the previously created productive forces, are periodically destroyed. In these crises, there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity — the epidemic of over-production. Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary barbarism; it appears as if a famine, a universal war of devastation, had cut off the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be destroyed; and why? Because there is too much civilisation, too much means of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce. The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.

The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.

But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons — the modern working class — the proletarians.

In proportion as the bourgeoisie, i.e., capital, is developed, in the same proportion is the proletariat, the modern working class, developed — a class of labourers, who live only so long as they find work, and who find work only so long as their labour increases capital. These labourers, who must sell themselves piecemeal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.

Owing to the extensive use of machinery, and to the division of labour, the work of the proletarians has lost all individual character, and, consequently, all charm for the workman. He becomes an appendage of the machine, and it is only the most simple, most monotonous, and most easily acquired knack, that is required of him. Hence, the cost of production of a workman is restricted, almost entirely, to the means of subsistence that he requires for maintenance, and for the propagation of his race. But the price of a commodity, and therefore also of labour, is equal to its cost of production. In proportion, therefore, as the repulsiveness of the work increases, the wage decreases. Nay more, in proportion as the use of machinery and division of labour increases, in the same proportion the burden of toil also increases, whether by prolongation of the working hours, by the increase of the work exacted in a given time or by increased speed of machinery, etc.

Modern Industry has converted the little workshop of the patriarchal master into the great factory of the industrial capitalist. Masses of labourers, crowded into the factory, are organised like soldiers. As privates of the industrial army they are placed under the command of a perfect hierarchy of officers and sergeants. Not only are they slaves of the bourgeois class, and of the bourgeois State; they are daily and hourly enslaved by the machine, by the overlooker, and, above all, by the individual bourgeois manufacturer himself. The more openly this despotism proclaims gain to be its end and aim, the more petty, the more hateful and the more embittering it is.

The less the skill and exertion of strength implied in manual labour, in other words, the more modern industry becomes developed, the more is the labour of men superseded by that of women. Differences of age and sex have no longer any distinctive social validity for the working class. All are instruments of labour, more or less expensive to use, according to their age and sex.

No sooner is the exploitation of the labourer by the manufacturer, so far, at an end, that he receives his wages in cash, than he is set upon by the other portions of the bourgeoisie, the landlord, the shopkeeper, the pawnbroker, etc.

The lower strata of the middle class — the small tradespeople, shopkeepers, and retired tradesmen generally, the handicraftsmen and peasants — all these sink gradually into the proletariat, partly because their diminutive capital does not suffice for the scale on which Modern Industry is carried on, and is swamped in the competition with the large capitalists, partly because their specialised skill is rendered worthless by new methods of production. Thus the proletariat is recruited from all classes of the population.

The proletariat goes through various stages of development. With its birth begins its struggle with the bourgeoisie. At first the contest is carried on by individual labourers, then by the workpeople of a factory, then by the operative of one trade, in one locality, against the individual bourgeois who directly exploits them. They direct their attacks not against the bourgeois conditions of production, but against the instruments of production themselves; they destroy imported wares that compete with their labour, they smash to pieces machinery, they set factories ablaze, they seek to restore by force the vanished status of the workman of the Middle Ages.

At this stage, the labourers still form an incoherent mass scattered over the whole country, and broken up by their mutual competition. If anywhere they unite to form more compact bodies, this is not yet the consequence of their own active union, but of the union of the bourgeoisie, which class, in order to attain its own political ends, is compelled to set the whole proletariat in motion, and is moreover yet, for a time, able to do so. At this stage, therefore, the proletarians do not fight their enemies, but the enemies of their enemies, the remnants of absolute monarchy, the landowners, the non-industrial bourgeois, the petty bourgeois. Thus, the whole historical movement is concentrated in the hands of the bourgeoisie; every victory so obtained is a victory for the bourgeoisie.

But with the development of industry, the proletariat not only increases in number; it becomes concentrated in greater masses, its strength grows, and it feels that strength more. The various interests and conditions of life within the ranks of the proletariat are more and more equalised, in proportion as machinery obliterates all distinctions of labour, and nearly everywhere reduces wages to the same low level. The growing competition among the bourgeois, and the resulting commercial crises, make the wages of the workers ever more fluctuating. The increasing improvement of machinery, ever more rapidly developing, makes their livelihood more and more precarious; the collisions between individual workmen and individual bourgeois take more and more the character of collisions between two classes. Thereupon, the workers begin to form combinations (Trades’ Unions) against the bourgeois; they club together in order to keep up the rate of wages; they found permanent associations in order to make provision beforehand for these occasional revolts. Here and there, the contest breaks out into riots.

Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry, and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarian, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

This organisation of the proletarians into a class, and, consequently into a political party, is continually being upset again by the competition between the workers themselves. But it ever rises up again, stronger, firmer, mightier. It compels legislative recognition of particular interests of the workers, by taking advantage of the divisions among the bourgeoisie itself. Thus, the ten-hours’ bill in England was carried.

Altogether collisions between the classes of the old society further, in many ways, the course of development of the proletariat. The bourgeoisie finds itself involved in a constant battle. At first with the aristocracy; later on, with those portions of the bourgeoisie itself, whose interests have become antagonistic to the progress of industry; at all time with the bourgeoisie of foreign countries. In all these battles, it sees itself compelled to appeal to the proletariat, to ask for help, and thus, to drag it into the political arena. The bourgeoisie itself, therefore, supplies the proletariat with its own elements of political and general education, in other words, it furnishes the proletariat with weapons for fighting the bourgeoisie.

Further, as we have already seen, entire sections of the ruling class are, by the advance of industry, precipitated into the proletariat, or are at least threatened in their conditions of existence. These also supply the proletariat with fresh elements of enlightenment and progress.

Finally, in times when the class struggle nears the decisive hour, the progress of dissolution going on within the ruling class, in fact within the whole range of old society, assumes such a violent, glaring character, that a small section of the ruling class cuts itself adrift, and joins the revolutionary class, the class that holds the future in its hands. Just as, therefore, at an earlier period, a section of the nobility went over to the bourgeoisie, so now a portion of the bourgeoisie goes over to the proletariat, and in particular, a portion of the bourgeois ideologists, who have raised themselves to the level of comprehending theoretically the historical movement as a whole.

Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a really revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of Modern Industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product.

The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests, they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat.

The “dangerous class”, [lumpenproletariat] the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.

In the condition of the proletariat, those of old society at large are already virtually swamped. The proletarian is without property; his relation to his wife and children has no longer anything in common with the bourgeois family relations; modern industry labour, modern subjection to capital, the same in England as in France, in America as in Germany, has stripped him of every trace of national character. Law, morality, religion, are to him so many bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests.

All the preceding classes that got the upper hand sought to fortify their already acquired status by subjecting society at large to their conditions of appropriation. The proletarians cannot become masters of the productive forces of society, except by abolishing their own previous mode of appropriation, and thereby also every other previous mode of appropriation. They have nothing of their own to secure and to fortify; their mission is to destroy all previous securities for, and insurances of, individual property.

All previous historical movements were movements of minorities, or in the interest of minorities. The proletarian movement is the self-conscious, independent movement of the immense majority, in the interest of the immense majority. The proletariat, the lowest stratum of our present society, cannot stir, cannot raise itself up, without the whole superincumbent strata of official society being sprung into the air.

Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat.

Hitherto, every form of society has been based, as we have already seen, on the antagonism of oppressing and oppressed classes. But in order to oppress a class, certain conditions must be assured to it under which it can, at least, continue its slavish existence. The serf, in the period of serfdom, raised himself to membership in the commune, just as the petty bourgeois, under the yoke of the feudal absolutism, managed to develop into a bourgeois. The modern labourer, on the contrary, instead of rising with the process of industry, sinks deeper and deeper below the conditions of existence of his own class. He becomes a pauper, and pauperism develops more rapidly than population and wealth. And here it becomes evident, that the bourgeoisie is unfit any longer to be the ruling class in society, and to impose its conditions of existence upon society as an over-riding law. It is unfit to rule because it is incompetent to assure an existence to its slave within his slavery, because it cannot help letting him sink into such a state, that it has to feed him, instead of being fed by him. Society can no longer live under this bourgeoisie, in other words, its existence is no longer compatible with society.

The essential conditions for the existence and for the sway of the bourgeois class is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by the revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

All those who wish to join this party should telegram me

I wish to start a party called the Democratic Communist Party.

-massive, massive snip-

wow what a long post. can't be arsed to read it just now but FYI, there's already a party called the (United) Democratic Communist Party.
you're welcome to have your own just think up a different name :)

and your party won't be counted as 'official' until you have members (one-man parties are no longer allowed)
A party started by one person isn't recognised as an official party, and cannot stand in an election. You must find someone willing to start a party with you, not start it on your own. That's to avoid heaps of one-man parties springing up and collapsing into oblivion just as quickly.


plus, some advice: if you want memebers you might want to at least summarise that post or write a shorter version of it in your own words :p

for those of you who enjoy creating a party: try Particracy: www.particracy.net (http://www.particracy.net)
I'm the Kirlawan Green party myself with my manifesto here:
[URL=http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/wiki/index.php/Kirlawa_Green_party[/URL]

Anybody else interested in the idea of a quasi-Fascist party based on the Italian fascists of the 1930s and the American Fascist party of today? This would not be

Basically a party which is Anti-Conservative and Anti-Socialism, pro-Authoritarianism, but for the people's right to do what they want when it has little effect on society [Pro-Gay mirrage, marijuana and Abortion among other things]. Some of you may think this is not actually Fascist, but you'd be amazed as to how liberal we are.

Well, I was never told about this till after I started my party. I doubt anyone will join. :(

I don't suppose you could advertise my party?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499235

If anyone has a "Lets Just Ignore The Elections And Have A Party", sign me up!

Alternatively, I'm all for the "State-sanctioned Brutality Party"; just in case they win.

Who wants to start a Monster Raving Loony Party with me?

I wish to start a Party that will pursue the glorious return of the de-throned Monarchs of Europe!

1. Our Party will be called the New Monarchist Party.

2. Our goal will be to return the de-throned Monarchs of Germany, Italy, Greece, France, Portugal and Russia to the throne; To return the powerless Monarchs of Sweden, Norway, England, Holland, and Spain to rule.

3. Our Party will believe in Male Primogeniture, following Frankish law and centuries of Tradition.

4. Our position on most issues will be a more Libertarian Conservative one, ideally. (The following will be open to slight alterations and compromise)

* Limits to Abortion

* Absolute right to Private Firearm Ownership

* Environmentalism

* A commitment to trade agreements that are reciprocally beneficial to our nation, rather than damaging to our natoin but beneficial to inter-national corporations

* Absolute Freedom of Speach

* A semi-Parliamentary government; Eliminating the role of Chancelor or Prime Minister, with the Monarch taking this place instead, the result being that the Monarch is both Symbolic and Acutal head of state

* And creation of two houses of Parliament, equivalent to the Houses of Lords and Commons. The house of comons will be available for election, the house of Lords will consist of the heads of States, Provinces or Regions, all of whom must posses a title of Nobility.

* A policy of encouraging population growth by increasing birth-rates, to secure our nations future existence, and reduce reliance on immigrants, lega and otherwise

* And a limit on immigration of any kind, to ensure that all immigrants truly love the country they wish to imigrate to, and to give the nation time to absorb one wave of immigrants before letting in another.

* Anti-Trust laws and limits on Corporate influence in government; Seperating Corporation and state is more important than Church and State in this day and age

* Military reform, to put the emphasis on independant thinking and military intelligence, and take it off of expensive corporate-manufactured gadgetry; also to make the Military more appealing by making a program that actually takes care of soldiers when they leave the ranks, and actually trains them for otehr jobs, unlike what is done now (In the US Military, at least)

* School reform

* Utilization of tax-breaks and Tarrifs to encourage manufacture and industry to move to our country where we can make sure they abide by sensible labour and envrionmental laws

* Significant conservative, but not pro-corporate, Tax-Reform


Anyone interested in joining the NMP post so here, and then I will make a thread were we can make it official and iron out any differances of policy party members might have through sensible debate and compromise.

I would like to create the Liberty Party, a group of Free Market Social Conservatives who agree that their needs to be reform in Iraq, however, that we should not nessecarily leave, most of the party's platform will be debated on the Party thread once it is approved and I can create it.

If one thing has been made clear here in NS General, it is that many people have strongly-felt, and often clear-cut, political, economic, social and ideological beliefs, and that they also feel strongly about detailing and defending them. I?ll readily admit that I?m one of them. What I suggest is this. That there should be NS General political parties, with shared ideas, explicitly spelled out and also debated. And that there should eventually be a poll, following a campaign by the various parties, so that NS General players can vote for the party they prefer and feel closest to.

The spirit is not only to gather in defence of your own ideas, but also (and primarily) to have fun doing so.

This is how it would work:

Everyone is free (within reason) to create/start as many parties as they want, but every party, in order to be considered a genuine and official NS political party, must have a manifesto, which must be, at the very least, ten full lines in length. When a party has been created, anyone who is interested in it may join it. So you can create parties, and join other people?s parties at the same time; after all, a one-person party doesn?t make much sense, and the whole point of a party is for there to be several people in it.

Once people start joining a party, a thread can be created for it, where its participants discuss amongst themselves to come up with a manifesto. A manifesto can be anything from a statement of principles and beliefs, to a set of policies the party would like to see implemented world-wide if it had the power. Once a party has a manifesto, it is recognised as an official party, and can start campaigning, and stand in the poll that will eventually take place.

A party doesn?t have to be serious, as long as it has a manifesto; serious parties and humorous parties are equally welcome. If people feel particularly committed, they can even create a website, logo, etc. . . for their party, but that of course is optional.

Below are three parties I?m starting. If you would like to join one or more of them, just say so. Also, feel free to start your own, let everyone know what your ideals are, and wait for people with similar ideals to join you. And may the best parties flourish!


THE UNITED DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY

Evidently, many people on this forum have strong communist beliefs, of various varieties. Now, all communists can come together in a common party, debate amongst ourselves and draw up a common manifesto of our beliefs and ideals. If you would like a strong, unified, genuinely social party able to speak up for the beliefs you hold dear, then this party is for you. Come and have your say, and help shape the UDCP?s manifesto!


THE BLANK PARTY

This party is for all those who remain unconvinced by the other parties, and who want their vote to express that fact. To vote Blank is to vote against the others, without committing yourself to any particular party. It is to exercise your right to vote, while saying that none of the parties quite express your views. Coming up with a Blank manifesto will be something of a challenge, but I invite you to join the Blank Party and take up that challenge, so that blank votes will be strong on the day of the poll!


THE CULT OF TINK PARTY

There is already an official Cult of TInk, but never until today have all the Cultists come together to express their common belonging to this great movement. Join the CTP, and express your Cultism to the NS world; help ensure that the self-proclaimed Queen of General is at last recognised by all!


Links to party threads:
* Cult of TInk Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619) (manifesto (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619))
* Democratic Socialist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666))
* Freedom and Progress Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418687) (defunct)
* Goths, Hippies, and Others Against Stereotyping Types Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418686)
* Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621))
* NS Classic Liberals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418625) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208))
* NS Classic Traditionalists (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423010&page=1&pp=15)
* NS Libertarian Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418680)
* NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046))
* Party of Order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418844) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418844&page=1&pp=15))
* Party of Whatever Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418852) (manifesto (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420124))
* ProMonkians Politicised Party Campagning For The Introduction Of Reproductive Red Tape (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418710) (defunct)
* Revolutionary Trotskyist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418688) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701))
* Troon's Political Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418689) (defunct)
* United Democratic Communist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610))
* The Reason Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022) (manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022))

Important rule! Read here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9041641&postcount=170)!

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg Please don't use this concept as an excuse to start spammy threads at will. Please keep it reasonable and within the normal rules of the forums. Apart from that, have at it. ~~ Fris

I would like to start the Hobbes party.

-Hobbes's notion that life is short brutish and savage without law and proper government is apt, if you vote for the Hobbes party you can rest assured that your children and loved ones won't fall to the onslaught of the "army of crime" as I like to call them

-You can breathe easier knowing that you live in a government that cares for yo and your safety.

-Since a government is meant to protect the people and make big decisions for the people you can trust that a government under the Hobbes party shall never oppress you unjustly and will only infringe on rights once you infringe on the natural rights of others (such as the right to your own property, the right to live, the right to be treated as an equal human being, the right to think for oneself independently)

-Since we support freedom of choice we oppose all forms of cults and all groups who use mind manipulative tactics to get their ends. However you are only free to make choices that don't infringe on anyone else's natural rights.

-All who vote for the Hobbes party gets free home security.

Has anyone started the STFU party? Just kidding.:D

I would start a political party that's sole purpose is to protect and defend the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. There would also have to be a moratorium on all silly issues. My party deals with serious topics only. :: pounds fist:: Only it will somehow be more fun than I'm making it sound. I swear.

I'd like to start the Necropost Party.

I'd like to start the Necropost Party.
Speaking of Necropost.......this thread should remain buried and gravediggers should be shot. :D

I would like to found the Gangstalicious Bull Moose Party.

Firstly, where on earth is the NBIP link?:eek:

I demand satisfaction sir!!!

Secondly, anybody interested in a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster party?

I hereby propose the Katgani Party.

The Katgani party is for those who like: political debate sans flaming, Invasion/Defense sans cheating, and lying about decadently drinking champagne and eating chocolate covered strawberries.

Members in good standing of the Katgani party really haven't much more to do than that -- I mean come on, with a mascot like a cat, what more is there to do other than keep oneself well-groomed, and enjoy frequent massages and back scratching from other members?