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Most women would flee that bad hair and moustache. Forcing his wife to have group sex was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

Of course, this group sex thing, and pimping wives, isn't new to the party of "family values".

Remember the recent GOP Illinois gubernatorial candidate, Jack Ryan?

This presents a unique challenge for the God Squad "Sanctity of Marriage" Republicans and their Christofascist running dogs.

Do they stand by their man and endorse group sex, or do they drop Bolton and take oaths of chastity?



BOLTON FUROR GROWS

Larry Flynt: Bush UN nominee won't answer questions about troubled marriage

RAW STORY

The controversial Hustler Magazine publisher Larry Flynt has waded into the conflict surrounding the nomination of Bush hawk John Bolton to a UN post by revealing Bolton's divorce records and unanswered questions about his sexual past, RAW STORY has learned.

The following release was issued early this afternoon. RAW STORY will provide more details as they become available.

The records show that Bolton's wife left him during a trip to Vienna in two weeks in 1982 and never returned. The records further show that she took most of the couple’s furniture.

The records do not disclose details about Flynt's claims. Bolton's ex-wife was not present at the time of the testimony.

RAW STORY has an outstanding call to the State Department but does not anticipate any response.

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From Mr. Flynt's release:

Corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department despite inquires posed by Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt concerning the allegations. Mr. Flynt has obtained information from numerous sources that Mr. Bolton participated in paid visits to Plato’s Retreat, the popular swingers club that operated in New York City in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

“The first Mrs. Bolton’s conduct raises the presumption that she fled out of fear for her safety or, at a minimum, it demonstrates that Mr. Bolton’s established inability to communicate or work respectfully with others extended to his intimate family relations,” said Mr. Flynt. “The court records alone provide sufficient basis for further investigation of nominee Bolton by the Senate.” These court records are enclosed here as an attachment. Mr. Flynt continued, “The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations must be free of any potential source of disrepute or blackmail.”

Mr. Flynt has contacted the State Department asking that they confirm or deny the allegations of Mr. Bolton’s prior conduct concerning his wife and the alleged paid visits to Plato’s Retreat. He has also called upon the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to conduct an inquiry into the very serious evidence concerning his first wife’s fear of him.

Neither the State Department nor the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has yet responded to Mr. Flynt’s inquiries.

Interesting story. Wonder if the TV media will pounce on it.

I can only hope so, sex scandals are fun.

I was scared it'd be Michael Bolton's wife.

Salve sagitta ruber

The Republican mayor of Spokane just took a leave of absence in the face of allegations of child molestation, sexual harassment and rape. Incidentally, all the accusers are men. Scandals are often a sign that the ruling party is on its way out. We can only hope.

Most women would flee that bad hair and moustache. Forcing his wife to have group sex was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

Of course, this group sex thing, and pimping wives, isn't new to the party of "family values".

Remember the recent GOP Illinois gubernatorial candidate, Jack Ryan?

This presents a unique challenge for the God Squad "Sanctity of Marriage" Republicans and their Christofascist running dogs.

Do they stand by their man and endorse group sex, or do they drop Bolton and take oaths of chastity?
The fact that you trust a story by Larry Flynt doesn't exactly lend credence to your allegations. Sorry, but no cigar.

The fact that you trust a story by Larry Flynt doesn't exactly lend credence to your allegations. Sorry, but no cigar.
To be fair he has had a pretty good record of reporting when he tries. Just look at Bob Livingston. He took that guy down in a second.

Interesting story. Wonder if the TV media will pounce on it.
you know how useless the subverted corporate media is in America :rolleyes:

The fact that you trust a story by Larry Flynt doesn't exactly lend credence to your allegations. Sorry, but no cigar.
unlike Bush and his filthy entourage--Larry Flynt has never been caught in any lies

Salve sagitta ruber
sententiae tuae matris/tui patris manifeste non eaedem erant

The Republican mayor of Spokane just took a leave of absence in the face of allegations of child molestation, sexual harassment and rape. Incidentally, all the accusers are men. Scandals are often a sign that the ruling party is on its way out. We can only hope.
Sex scandals are usually a sign that the opposition party will do ANYthing to get back in power.

The fact that you trust a story by Larry Flynt doesn't exactly lend credence to your allegations. Sorry, but no cigar.
Of course "no cigar".. that would be Clinton.

sententiae tuae matris/tui patris manifeste non eaedem erant
Please translate! :)

Please translate! :)
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Sex scandals are usually a sign that the opposition party will do ANYthing to get back in power.
but to republicans -consensual sex is a scandal

Sorry, but no cigar.

Cigars... More Clinton references... LOL :fluffle:

but to republicans -consensual sex is a scandal
hell... let's just let anyone fuck anything...anything goes...it's going to end up that way anyway...since morality means nothing anymore.

People you forget the key word..."allegations"! Guilt until proven innocent. Of course, it may very well be true, but let's not a hang a man based on hearsay.

hell... let's just let anyone fuck anything...anything goes...it's going to end up that way anyway...since morality means nothing anymore.
Yes because consensual sex is just as bad as forcing someone to have group sex :confused:

Yes because consensual sex is just as bad as forcing someone to have group sex :confused:
A man/woman consentually fucking a dog or a horse (if the animal doesn't attack when faced with the sexual situation, logically, it would be considered consentual), what's wrong with that? If a 45 year old guy fucks a 16 year old female/male and it's consentual, what's wrong with that? In California, apparently it's legal for an 18 year old to fuck an unconscious 14 year old. Since she didn't say "no", it's consentual...what's wrong with that?

Where do you draw the line...and what gives you the right to draw that line?

(No...I think zoophilia, pedophilia and rape are all WRONG...I'm just making a comment.)

Sex scandals are usually a sign that the opposition party will do ANYthing to get back in power.
So you think that these scandals were entirely invented by the Democrats?

hell... let's just let anyone fuck anything...anything goes...it's going to end up that way anyway...since morality means nothing anymore.
So you think the government has a place in the bedrooms of consenting adults?

The fact that you trust a story by Larry Flynt doesn't exactly lend credence to your allegations. Sorry, but no cigar.
Why is Larry Flynt not a credible source? Until you explain why, I'll assume that you're saying this for purely partisan reasons. It would be awfully inconvenient for Bolton to get struck down, wouldn't it?

So you think the government has a place in the bedrooms of consenting adults?
Either you are incredibly stupid...or you have no grasp of sarcasm.

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The Translation was unclear so if you could indulge me and just give the gist of the quote. Thanks :)

Mr. Flynt continued, “The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations must be free of any potential source of disrepute or blackmail.”
How fucking RETARDED!

By those standards...the only person in the history of the world that could be a UN ambassador was Jesus. :rolleyes:

No...wait...Jesus couldn't be an ambassador, either. The left would decry him for being Christian. He'd never make it out of committee.

Who?

Some of us in the rest of the world don't have a clue who this Bolton fellow is... though I assume we're not talking about that wretched 80s MOR crooner, here...

How fucking RETARDED!

By those standards...the only person in the history of the world that could be a UN ambassador was Jesus. :rolleyes:

No...wait...Jesus couldn't be an ambassador, either. The left would decry him for being Christian. He'd never make it out of committee.
Granted no one is perfect, but rape tends to be easier to blackmail than shoplifting.

(No...I think zoophilia, pedophilia and rape are all WRONG...I'm just making a comment.)

zoophilia and rape are obviously WRONG!!! Personally, pedophilia is just disturbing... (hopefully i am correctly reading that as foot sex??? Just strange!) :fluffle:

A man/woman consentually fucking a dog or a horse (if the animal doesn't attack when faced with the sexual situation, logically, it would be considered consentual), what's wrong with that? If a 45 year old guy fucks a 16 year old female/male and it's consentual, what's wrong with that? In California, apparently it's legal for an 18 year old to fuck an unconscious 14 year old. Since she didn't say "no", it's consentual...what's wrong with that?

Where do you draw the line...and what gives you the right to draw that line?

(No...I think zoophilia, pedophilia and rape are all WRONG...I'm just making a comment.)
Having sex with an animal or child is by definition non-consentual. Animals can not consent to sex and minors are below the age to give legal consent. I don't see anything approaching a point to your post. Bolton forcing his wife to have group sex is worse than Bill Clinton getting a blowjob from Monica. I don't see a way for you to justify this otherwise.

Granted no one is perfect, but rape tends to be easier to blackmail than shoplifting.
Give me a break. It's politics...anything is blackmailable nowdays.

Also...Larry Flynt breaking this story automatically makes me discount this as biased. I'll believe it when the ex-wife comes forward and spills the whole thing in a press conference.

Until then, it's all wishful thinking/hatemongering by the left.

Who?

Some of us in the rest of the world don't have a clue who this Bolton fellow is... though I assume we're not talking about that wretched 80s MOR crooner, here...
US Nominee to the United Nations, has been quoted as saying the UN does not exist, is alleged to have chased one of his staff around a Russian hotel screaming at her for disagreeing with him, and apparently used his NSA connections to horde blackmail information on 10 congressmen who disagreed with him among other things.

All around nice guy.

Animals can not consent to sex
The unconscious 14 year old girl in California that was raped wasn't "raped" because she wasn't conscious to say NO, by California law. Along the same lines, if the animal doesn't say NO, it's consentual. She couldn't say NO because she was unconscious...the animal can't say NO because it can't speak.

Hell...in California, that argument would probably stand up in court.

Also, by drawing lines, you're forcing your "morality" on others. Who is the Government to force their "morals" on others?

Wait...it's done every day. :rolleyes:

Give me a break. It's politics...anything is blackmailable nowdays.
People take allegations of rape quite a but more seriously than normal politics. Maybe we shouldn't send someone with a major scandal when we can send someone with a minor scandal. :rolleyes:

People take allegations of rape quite a but more seriously than normal politics. Maybe we shouldn't send someone with a major scandal when we can send someone with a minor scandal. :rolleyes:
How about we wait until there's actual PROOF of a scandal...and not just Larry Flynt (uberleftist extrordinaire) rolling around, foaming at the mouth and drooling on himself, eh?

The unconscious 14 year old girl in California that was raped wasn't "raped" because she wasn't conscious to say NO, by California law. Along the same lines, if the animal doesn't say NO, it's consentual. She couldn't say NO because she was unconscious...the animal can't say NO because it can't speak.

Hell...in California, that argument would probably stand up in court.

Also, by drawing lines, you're forcing your "morality" on others. Who is the Government to force their "morals" on others?

Wait...it's done every day. :rolleyes:
Wonderful, somehow a single case I have never even heard of in California justifies rape and beastiality :rolleyes: Animals can not consent because they are not legally considered able to give consent, ever.

The government is not forcing morality with rape legislation, its protecting the rights of citizens. Men and women have a fundamental right not to be raped according to our constitution. That whole "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" thing...

How about we wait until there's actual PROOF of a scandal...and not just Larry Flynt (uberleftist extrordinaire) rolling around, foaming at the mouth and drooling on himself, eh?
Fair enough, but he has been pretty good with this kind of thing up until now. Just ask Bob Livingston.

Wonderful flamebaiting BTW :rolleyes:

US Nominee to the United Nations, has been quoted as saying the UN does not exist, is alleged to have chased one of his staff around a Russian hotel screaming at her for disagreeing with him, and apparently used his NSA connections to horde blackmail information on 10 congressmen who disagreed with him among other things.

All around nice guy.

Thanks Hammy.

Wow.

Somehow I missed out on this one. What a bastard!

Who in their right minds nominated this guy?

Thanks Hammy.

Wow.

Somehow I missed out on this one. What a bastard!

Who in their right minds nominated this guy?
Bush, who else.

zoophilia and rape are obviously WRONG!!! Personally, pedophilia is just disturbing... (hopefully i am correctly reading that as foot sex??? Just strange!) :fluffle:
your not reading it right, pedophilia=child sex

Fair enough, but he has been pretty good with this kind of thing up until now. Just ask Bob Livingston.

Wonderful flamebaiting BTW :rolleyes:
It's called playing Devil's Advocate. :)

The poodle at my work "rapes" me all the time. He's a sexual predator. :eek:

A man/woman consentually fucking a dog or a horse (if the animal doesn't attack when faced with the sexual situation, logically, it would be considered consentual), what's wrong with that? If a 45 year old guy fucks a 16 year old female/male and it's consentual, what's wrong with that? In California, apparently it's legal for an 18 year old to fuck an unconscious 14 year old. Since she didn't say "no", it's consentual...what's wrong with that?

Where do you draw the line...and what gives you the right to draw that line?

(No...I think zoophilia, pedophilia and rape are all WRONG...I'm just making a comment.)

You may thing it is wrong, but you just ruined my entire week by mentioning "45 year old with 16 year old". Thanks. -sigh-

unlike Bush and his filthy entourage--Larry Flynt has never been caught in any lies
You must remember, people like him believe right wing America are the infallable protectors of the free world and can do no wrong, so anything that goes against this image is immediately denied as biased propaganda, and they'll usually continue to deny it no matter how much evidence you provide them.

At least, that seems to be my experience, and sadly, people on the far left are just as bad. Makes me wish this country was Buddhist rather than Christian... The middle path people, that's where it's at, and it's not achieved by the grand tug of war that this country's politics are based upon.

hell... let's just let anyone fuck anything...anything goes...it's going to end up that way anyway...since morality means nothing anymore.
whats so moral about telling people who or what they can fuck?

The Translation was unclear so if you could indulge me and just give the gist of the quote. Thanks :)
translation: "clearly not the position your mother/father took"

How fucking RETARDED!

By those standards...the only person in the history of the world that could be a UN ambassador was Jesus. :rolleyes:

No...wait...Jesus couldn't be an ambassador, either. The left would decry him for being Christian. He'd never make it out of committee.
Jesus was a leftwinger so its doubtful the left would be decrying him at all.Its rightwing "holier then thou" religious freak types who crucified him cause he threatened their powerbase

Who?

Some of us in the rest of the world don't have a clue who this Bolton fellow is... though I assume we're not talking about that wretched 80s MOR crooner, here...
hey Dobbs Town :)

John Bolton is a neocon deranged liar who makes up false intel and who fires honest employees to justify whatever new crimes against humanity or wars for oil Bush wants to start in the world.Hes also a symbol of Bushs contempt for global cooperation and he has a long history of calling for the destruction of the UN and the US being the new world ruler

I would just like to know if she was hot.

Give me a break. It's politics...anything is blackmailable nowdays.

Also...Larry Flynt breaking this story automatically makes me discount this as biased. I'll believe it when the ex-wife comes forward and spills the whole thing in a press conference.

Until then, it's all wishful thinking/hatemongering by the left.
I think its very relevant when Bush is trying to get a psychotic loon with no grasp of reality into a diplomatic position.This is the same man who chased a woman thru out a hotel complex cause she exposed one of his politically based lies with facts

Animals can not consent to sex
Dolphins can! Now, on to the topic at hand. If the allegations are true, it is grave indeed. Of course, we must also define forced here. Does forced mean asked multiple times until she gave in/left, or does forced mean tied to the bed and had partners come in. If the former, there is nothing really bad about it, unless you are morally opposed to that sort of thing. If the latter, then he should absolutely not be confirmed as ambassador. Now, the article mentions that she got most of the furniture but does not mention how much of his total assets she got ahold of. Unless it was more than 50-60% I can't imagine that he did anything too bad.

Also, Larry Flynt says this He has also called upon the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to conduct an inquiry into the very serious evidence concerning his first wife’s fear of himbut he doesn't actually produce any evidence. Divorce does not mean that the woman automatically lives in fear of her ex-husband.

How about we wait until there's actual PROOF of a scandal...and not just Larry Flynt (uberleftist extrordinaire) rolling around, foaming at the mouth and drooling on himself, eh?
I agree his nomination should be withheld until they investigate fully all the strange episodes of this deranged lunatic but theyre gonna vote on the sick bastard tomorow

The poodle at my work "rapes" me all the time. He's a sexual predator. :eek:
but its not rape if you enjoy it ;)

You must remember, people like him believe right wing America are the infallable protectors of the free world and can do no wrong, so anything that goes against this image is immediately denied as biased propaganda, and they'll usually continue to deny it no matter how much evidence you provide them.

At least, that seems to be my experience, and sadly, people on the far left are just as bad. Makes me wish this country was Buddhist rather than Christian... The middle path people, that's where it's at, and it's not achieved by the grand tug of war that this country's politics are based upon.
but at least for the most part the people on the left are morally correct

the people on the far right are just morally repulsive

I would just like to know if she was hot.
I would too

Dolphins can! Now, on to the topic at hand. If the allegations are true, it is grave indeed. Of course, we must also define forced here. Does forced mean asked multiple times until she gave in/left, or does forced mean tied to the bed and had partners come in. If the former, there is nothing really bad about it, unless you are morally opposed to that sort of thing. If the latter, then he should absolutely not be confirmed as ambassador. Now, the article mentions that she got most of the furniture but does not mention how much of his total assets she got ahold of. Unless it was more than 50-60% I can't imagine that he did anything too bad.

Also, Larry Flynt says this but he doesn't actually produce any evidence. Divorce does not mean that the woman automatically lives in fear of her ex-husband.
Bolton has a pattern of behaviour where he abuses women-he also chased a woman thru out an entire hotel complex foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog cause she countered one of his serial lies with facts--he was also behind Bushs manufacturing fake intel to invade Iraq and Bushs subversion of democracy in Haiti

I was scared it'd be Michael Bolton's wife.
Which one? The creepy sax player or the character on Office Space?
Either way. I say how spooky can you get.

*Slowly backs away, gets a phone, and calls for the people with the straitjackets.*

but at least for the most part the people on the left are morally correct

the people on the far right are just morally repulsive
The problem with the people on the left is they look to government intervention to solve their problems, and the government trying to force everyone to respect everyone else only breeds contempt for both the government and those they're trying to force you to respect, such as in the case of affirmative action causing people to resent minorities being hired not because of their ability to perform the job better than any other applicant, but because they're a minority. Affirmative action = favoring minorities, not equal opportunity. I am definitely quite far left in that I believe people should have the freedom to live their life in the way they choose so long as they do not violate the same right for others to do so as well, but I cannot in good conscious support any political party in America because they only seem to care about gaining more power for themselves.

Well, unlike Gary Condit, it looks like his sexual pecadillos didn't end up in anyone being killed.

I wonder if he was into red rubber suits like Gary was.

Well, unlike Gary Condit, it looks like his sexual pecadillos didn't end up in anyone being killed.

I wonder if he was into red rubber suits like Gary was.
So, basically what you're saying is rape is okay so long as you're right wing and don't kill your victim where as Clinton getting a blow job from an intern while married is morally irreprehensible?

Disgusting.

As a liberal Democrat, I find Mr. Bolton to be a terrible choice for UN Ambassador for a long, long list of reasons (one is tempted to say among the worst possible choices, but that would be overstatement.)

I also believe him to be of dubious character. Testimony under oath already has him carrying on in numerous undesirable ways -- including the physical harassment and attack of female employees.

BUT I also do not approve of unsubstantiated allegations and smear campaigns.

It does not matter who started it or who was the last victim or the biggest victim. The politics of character assassination must stop.

(Or at least die down. Given it has always been a part of American politics (not to mention the ROW and ancient history), it won't go away. But we need not revel in it and engage in this type of gratuituous mudslinging. ("Oh, yeah, well your guy did X." "But your guy did X")

The problem with the people on the left is they look to government intervention to solve their problems, and the government trying to force everyone to respect everyone else only breeds contempt for both the government and those they're trying to force you to respect, such as in the case of affirmative action causing people to resent minorities being hired not because of their ability to perform the job better than any other applicant, but because they're a minority. Affirmative action = favoring minorities, not equal opportunity. I am definitely quite far left in that I believe people should have the freedom to live their life in the way they choose so long as they do not violate the same right for others to do so as well, but I cannot in good conscious support any political party in America because they only seem to care about gaining more power for themselves.
the problem with neocons is that they use the govt to force their strange and primitive religious dogmas on the rest of society and I think thats far more dangerous since everyone knows that politics and religion is an extremely toxic brew

the problem with neocons is that they use the govt to force their strange and primitive religious dogmas on the rest of society and I think thats far more dangerous since everyone knows that politics and religion is an extremely toxic brew
so is politics and extreme radicalism. that, in fact, is the one that you usually have to watch out for.

so is politics and extreme radicalism. that, in fact, is the one that you usually have to watch out for.
thats exactly what we have now under the Bush junta and their hardball tactics in getting extremists nominated to our courts

thats exactly what we have now under the Bush junta and their hardball tactics in getting extremists nominated to our courts
ok, dude. i guess that was too subtle. extremism is usually dangerous and always a negative quality in all its forms. that includes you.

ok, dude. i guess that was too subtle. extremism is usually dangerous and always a negative quality in all its forms. that includes you.
aye it does but
extremism in defence of Liberty is no vice

aye it does but
extremism in defence of Liberty is no vice
so you're agreeing with me that extremism is always bad (as was my point) but making an exception for yourself. just so we're on the same page.

BUT I also do not approve of unsubstantiated allegations and smear campaigns.

It does not matter who started it or who was the last victim or the biggest victim. The politics of character assassination must stop.

(Or at least die down. Given it has always been a part of American politics (not to mention the ROW and ancient history), it won't go away. But we need not revel in it and engage in this type of gratuituous mudslinging. ("Oh, yeah, well your guy did X." "But your guy did X")

Did you happen to read the State of the Union issue of the Atlantic Monthly this past year?
It made the argument that these character assassination campaigns are good because the sense of "fighting evil" gets people motivated to actually do something. :) Not entirely correct, and "motivation" can lead to "Bleeding Kansas", but I guess even bad things have some good aspects.


As to Bolton: Having met the man for a brief while, I can certainly say this possible (well, not tying her down and forcing her, but rather pressuring her). Nerds like him and me generally need to make up for the lack of freaky love during college and high school.
I still think he is one of the better candidates available for the Bush UN doctrine (basically advocate US interest alone, and threaten unilateral action to the point where the UN must act or become irrelevant), though I did wish he didn't act so rashly. He is a smart man, though he gets far too emotional sometimes.
He yelled at my friend. I mean, come on, what type of public servant yells at a high school kid? :)

Did you happen to read the State of the Union issue of the Atlantic Monthly this past year?
It made the argument that these character assassination campaigns are good because the sense of "fighting evil" gets people motivated to actually do something. :) Not entirely correct, and "motivation" can lead to "Bleeding Kansas", but I guess even bad things have some good aspects.


As to Bolton: Having met the man for a brief while, I can certainly say this possible (well, not tying her down and forcing her, but rather pressuring her). Nerds like him and me generally need to make up for the lack of freaky love during college and high school.
I still think he is one of the better candidates available for the Bush UN doctrine (basically advocate US interest alone, and threaten unilateral action to the point where the UN must act or become irrelevant), though I did wish he didn't act so rashly. He is a smart man, though he gets far too emotional sometimes.
He yelled at my friend. I mean, come on, what type of public servant yells at a high school kid? :)
one whose an emotionally unbalanced bully with no respect for the truth would

the problem with neocons is that they use the govt to force their strange and primitive religious dogmas on the rest of society and I think thats far more dangerous since everyone knows that politics and religion is an extremely toxic brew
I already stated that I'm left myself, I just don't agree that passing more laws is the best way of achieving my ideals, the democrats of America seem to disagree, and so I cannot support them any more than I can support the republicans. Freedom and equality cannot be enforced, only encouraged, and the more laws you are forced the live under, the less free you are, even if those laws are made with the best of intentions. I'm one to believe that so long as you are not deliberately victimizing (murder, rape, theft, poisoning the environment, etc) others or acting irresponsibly (driving recklessly, starting uncontrolled fires, playing a prank that goes to far, etc), it should not be a crime. The case of the German who met someone over the internet and ate him, considering it was proven the man eaten was a willing party, I would not consider the man a victim, and thus would not consider the cannibal a criminal.

Basically what I am saying is that though I mostly agree with the principles of the left, I do not agree with the tactics they use to try to achieve their principles in America.

I already stated that I'm left myself, I just don't agree that passing more laws is the best way of achieving my ideals, the democrats of America seem to disagree, and so I cannot support them any more than I can support the republicans. Freedom and equality cannot be enforced, only encouraged, and the more laws you are forced the live under, the less free you are, even if those laws are made with the best of intentions. I'm one to believe that so long as you are not deliberately victimizing (murder, rape, theft, poisoning the environment, etc) others or acting irresponsibly (driving recklessly, starting uncontrolled fires, playing a prank that goes to far, etc), it should not be a crime. The case of the German who met someone over the internet and ate him, considering it was proven the man eaten was a willing party, I would not consider the man a victim, and thus would not consider the cannibal a criminal.

Basically what I am saying is that though I mostly agree with the principles of the left, I do not agree with the tactics they use to try to achieve their principles in America.I think a stronger argument can be made about the way the neocons subvert our system of Democracy to force their own unrealistic values on every one else-I dont see the left doing this now

I think a stronger argument can be made about the way the neocons subvert our system of Democracy to force their own unrealistic values on every one else-I dont see the left doing this now
Of course they're not doing this now, they're not the ones currently in power. And yes, they are very much about forcing their own values on everyone else, that's the only reason why anyone would push to have a certain law passed. Just because you happen to agree with the law doesn't make it any more right to force it upon someone else than having a law you don't agree with forced upon you.

That's why I designed my own system of government. Just wish I could have a decent discussion of it on these boards, but no one seems to care to take the time to read my ideas...

Of course they're not doing this now, they're not the ones currently in power. And yes, they are very much about forcing their own values on everyone else, that's the only reason why anyone would push to have a certain law passed. Just because you happen to agree with the law doesn't make it any more right to force it upon someone else than having a law you don't agree with forced upon you.

That's why I designed my own system of government. Just wish I could have a decent discussion of it on these boards, but no one seems to care to take the time to read my ideas...
where are they?

Kofi Annan gave me 1,000 barrels of Iraqi oil to force Michael Bolton's wife to have sex with Kenny G. And the French delegation watched. But in my defence, I did use the oil to buy food.

Kofi Annan gave me 1,000 barrels of Iraqi oil to force Michael Bolton's wife to have sex with Kenny G. And the French delegation watched. But in my defence, I did use the oil to buy food.
that oil was paid for with the blood of 24,000 innocents

that oil was paid for with the blood of 24,000 innocents

24 innocents/per barrel. That seems excessive. We need to improve the process.

that oil was paid for with the blood of 24,000 innocents
TRA?!

24 innocents/per barrel. That seems excessive. We need to improve the process.
we need Hemp Power

TRA?!
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