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I just done had a realization, as to why there evil people in the Middle East. Yes, I have found the solution, the answer to why there is terrorism, daily, threatenin freedom, democursy, and our way of life.

Readin right to left. I'm not sure if anybody knows this, but Arabic reads right to left. Has anyone here ever tried? With any language? It's practically impossible.

Every time I try to read right to left, I get angry, because it's so gee darn difficult and it gives me a headache. Why, if I had to do that every time I try to read a book, I'd probably be a terrorist too.

And if these people cannot read, how can they read about how America is better than every country in the entire world? How can they learn that they're starving to death and being oppressed by fascists, because they're lazy?

Terrorists are jealous of our freedom. They envy us, for reading left to right. So, the answer is for us to create reform in the Middle East, to horizontally flip the Arabic language. And think, even it it DOESN'T work, it'll sure confuse the heck out of Al-Qaeda!

Or should I say.. Adeaq-La!

Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort*

Who's with me?!

I just done had a realization, as to why there evil people in the Middle East. Yes, I have found the solution, the answer to why there is terrorism, daily, threatenin freedom, democursy, and our way of life.

Readin right to left. I'm not sure if anybody knows this, but Arabic reads right to left. Has anyone here ever tried? With any language? It's practically impossible.

Every time I try to read right to left, I get angry, because it's so gee darn difficult and it gives me a headache. Why, if I had to do that every time I try to read a book, I'd probably be a terrorist too.

And if these people cannot read, how can they read about how America is better than every country in the entire world? How can they learn that they're starving to death and being oppressed by fascists, because they're lazy?

Terrorists are jealous of our freedom. They envy us, for reading left to right. So, the answer is for us to create reform in the Middle East, to horizontally flip the Arabic language. And think, even it it DOESN'T work, it'll sure confuse the heck out of Al-Qaeda!

Or should I say.. Adeaq-La!

Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort*

Who's with me?!

If you had lost anyone in 9/11 , then you would know how these people have been feeling for many MANY years. Only reason they seem to be capable of waging full scaled wars against each other is that they are more united by religion and are more organised, ...imagine if in the US ..the Cribs and The Bloods completely united into two seperate factions and declared a full scale war? ...imagine that, not just drive bys here and there.

I don't care if your chinese, african, american, iraqi, korean or welsh ....if a country repeatedly persists on action that lead to the death of my own family and everything I had, down on my luck and not going anywhere, I would be feeling like I needed some payback.... ANYBODY would, its human nature... same as "Bush's great war on Terrorism" ...just looking for payback, that is all. There are no rights or wrongs, just consequences... very thin line between good & evil, as there is love & hate.

Personally, in current affairs I think we ...and them ...are asbad as each other in many ways, except we got the edge for having the fire power and budget.

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html See if this changes your mind?

((Mods. This wasn't meant to be trollbaiting. But that statement, "If you lost anyone in 9\11" totally is going to invite trolls here. Why can't people realize when a thread isn't meant to be taken seriously...? :())

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html See if this changes your mind?
My daddy had a saying, "If it takes more than 5 minutes to explain... it's probably bullshit."

Why can't people realize when a thread isn't meant to be taken seriously...?

Was thinking the same thing...

Still caused me to laugh a little :)

of course, Hebrew is also written from right to left...

Not funny, sorry.

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html See if this changes your mind?

Trouble is though , you get this same kind of thing with any "empire" ...I guess it's their reign now, and wars and times have changed, more about technology and capita than simply the edge of the sword.

I am English, ...part of this mockery BS "British Empire" , we have a list of offences over history that out numbers that a hundred fold, not just against others but against ourselves, atleast it can be said the USA takes care of its own , shame they haven't got the balance right yet ...but they will. The right time and government, get some good changes for them and the world.

((Mods. This wasn't meant to be trollbaiting. But that statement, "If you lost anyone in 9\11" totally is going to invite trolls here. Why can't people realize when a thread isn't meant to be taken seriously...? :())

because it wasnt funny. If you're going to troll (which i thought was banned, but anyway) then you're at least got to be funny.

because it wasnt funny. If you're going to troll (which i thought was banned, but anyway) then you're at least got to be funny.

I never read it as trolling from the start. I actually found it amusing because it was so thoroughly daft and moronic. But I guess its each to their own POV.

ka?

A most amusing post.

((I've come to realize that a large majority of people on the internet are assholes. Most of them are on Newgrounds. That URL was neat, by the way, on why countries hate us. I'm curious to see what the Cons say. You know.. "no that eezint chroo. thar jist jeelous of arr freedum!!"))

((I've come to realize that a large majority of people on the internet are assholes. Most of them are on Newgrounds. That URL was neat, by the way, on why countries hate us. I'm curious to see what the Cons say. You know.. "no that eezint chroo. thar jist jeelous of arr freedum!!"))

Hey now Shrub. No need to be hatin', y'all. Da Cons just doin' what they feel is right and just. Can't fault 'em for that.

I agree witcha 'bout da internet bein' fulla asshole's, though. The Internet provides 2 crucial things: Audience and Anonimity. Gabes "Greater Internet Fuckwad" Theory is as follows:

Normal Person + Audience + Anonimity = Total Fuckwad.

Ahh Puppet!?......
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8856542&postcount=1
President Shrub
Canibus Bush...................................
Hmmmmmmmm

One other thing. About that link posted a few posts back. That thing about the U.S. backing China and not Taiwan is pure horseshit. The U.S. has always been with Taiwan, to the point of pledging to destroy any Chinese attempt at blockading the island. I just skimmed the rest of it, and some of those dot points seem to be viewed through a biased lens, but I didn't really read it in depth, and I'm too tired to argue anything more than this blatantly false thing about Taiwan.

Ahh Puppet!?......
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8856542&postcount=1
President Shrub
Canibus Bush...................................
Hmmmmmmmm
No. Plutophobia. Back again. Oh man. I said, "Back again." Now, I feel the sudden urge to write a cheesy, 80's style rap song, to herald my return. :(

Only temporarily, though. When someone says something moronic, I feel obligated to set the record straight. On here that's like 9 hours worth of work, daily. That's why I don't even bother reading most of the threads. Because most people don't put forth interesting, well thought-out ideas. They just rehash the same old crap fed to them from CBS if they're Liberal, and from Fox if they're Conservative. And all the retarded, online newssites. And when you try so, so desperately to explain to them, "You're BEING IRRATIONAL! STOP IT! LOOK! LOOK! *points* THERE'S THE LOGIC! IT'S BEEN THROWN OUT THE WINDOW!" they just stare at you, with those cow-like eyes, drooling.

And even my attempts at humor are seen as "trolling." Why people are allowed to make sincerely stupid posts and get away with it, but I'm crucified for making facetiously stupid posts is beyond me. In my opinion, delete the morons. If some people are legitimately idiots, but I'm just pretending, wouldn't it be in the forum's best interests to ban the real idiots, instead of just the people pretending?

One other thing. About that link posted a few posts back. That thing about the U.S. backing China and not Taiwan is pure horseshit. The U.S. has always been with Taiwan, to the point of pledging to destroy any Chinese attempt at blockading the island. I just skimmed the rest of it, and some of those dot points seem to be viewed through a biased lens, but I didn't really read it in depth, and I'm too tired to argue anything more than this blatantly false thing about Taiwan.
Then what's the reason? The "they hate our freedom" argument doesn't hold up. Because you don't see them flying planes into Canada or giving France the nickname, "The Great Satan." I'm very proud of the principles which this country was founded upon. But both the citizens and the government, especially, have become materialistic and decadent.

They "hate our freedom", because money is power, and power is freedom. And we've sucked up all the freedom out of every African diamond-mine, every Arabian oil well, and Asian sweatshop. We've claimed to be lovers of democracy, while funding China's slave-labor (giving 'em Most-FAVORED Nation), as well as Reagan virtually creating modern Islamic terrorism, by putting Hussein, the Shah of Iran, and the Taliban in power, while also having his buddy, John Negroponte cover up human rights abuses in Honduras.

For a country that "loves freedom" so much that terrorists hate us over it, we certainly do a lot of business with fascists. Not to mention that the PATRIOT Act, and the fact that it still hasn't been outright repealed sort of rips apart the argument that we have more freedom than other countries.

Tell me, in Australia, Canada, Britain, Germany, or France, can they arrest citizens without telling them what they did, giving them a lawyer, or a trial? In any of those countries, can politicians (like the attorney general) put any citizen or non-citizen in internment camps, indefinately? There goes the credibility Bush has about "freedom."

I just done had a realization, as to why there evil people in the Middle East. Yes, I have found the solution, the answer to why there is terrorism, daily, threatenin freedom, democursy, and our way of life.

Readin right to left. I'm not sure if anybody knows this, but Arabic reads right to left. Has anyone here ever tried? With any language? It's practically impossible.

Every time I try to read right to left, I get angry, because it's so gee darn difficult and it gives me a headache. Why, if I had to do that every time I try to read a book, I'd probably be a terrorist too.

And if these people cannot read, how can they read about how America is better than every country in the entire world? How can they learn that they're starving to death and being oppressed by fascists, because they're lazy?

Terrorists are jealous of our freedom. They envy us, for reading left to right. So, the answer is for us to create reform in the Middle East, to horizontally flip the Arabic language. And think, even it it DOESN'T work, it'll sure confuse the heck out of Al-Qaeda!

Or should I say.. Adeaq-La!

Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort*

Who's with me?!

You my friend have a no understandig of terrorism.

Tell me, in Australia, Canada, Britain, Germany, or France, can they arrest citizens without telling them what they did, giving them a lawyer, or a trial? In any of those countries, can politicians (like the attorney general) put any citizen or non-citizen in internment camps, indefinately?

In Germany, no, last time I checked. And not for the last sixty years, I should hope.

I can sympathize with your feeling. It is surely hell to see one's country's principles be thrown to the garbage this way.

One other thing. About that link posted a few posts back. That thing about the U.S. backing China and not Taiwan is pure horseshit. The U.S. has always been with Taiwan, to the point of pledging to destroy any Chinese attempt at blockading the island. I just skimmed the rest of it, and some of those dot points seem to be viewed through a biased lens, but I didn't really read it in depth, and I'm too tired to argue anything more than this blatantly false thing about Taiwan.


That link is to a page clearly authored by someone in here

Why do they hate us? From their point of view the way people should live has been revealed by Allah through the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. We in the west don't live that way, yet we are successful militarily, economically, and politically. The terrorists, like Al Quaeda, Taliban, etc. adopt a very strict, rigid, and austere Muslim lifestyle, yet their god doesn't reward them. They have no military power, no source of wealth other than the donations from wealthy Saudi princes, and no political power.
They envy the west.

Also, their version of Islam teaches that Islam is fated to become the worldwide religion. They beleive that they are called to spread their repressive version of Islam to all people, by force if necessary. They see any other government as illegitemate, and any other lifestyle as an insult to their faith.
They are offended by the west.

That's why they hate us.

You my friend have a no understandig of terrorism.

Is that a serious response to the original poster?

of course, Hebrew is also written from right to left...

Aha! Conspiracy unveiled. They're all the same. Proposal for a common name for those right-to-left-readers, anyone?

How about....ok, best stop now :D

Why do they hate us? From their point of view the way people should live has been revealed by Allah through the teachings of the prophet Muhammad........
They envy the west.......
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They are offended by the west.

That's why they hate us.
There is probably some truth to this, but it's not the entire explanation.

If the jihadists hate the US for it's "decadent" culture, then why isn't every western country taking it equally badly from these terrorists?

There is probably some truth to this, but it's not the entire explanation.

If the jihadists hate the US for it's "decadent" culture, then why isn't every western country taking it equally badly from these terrorists?
The US's economic, military, and political power make it a symbol of the evil west. The US's massive entertainment and marketing industry make it the source of "evil western perversion" that enters into Muslim lands. That's why the US is the primary target.

Actually, terrorists hate us, mostly because of me.

Sorry, folks. My bad.

The US's economic, military, and political power make it a symbol of the evil west. The US's massive entertainment and marketing industry make it the source of "evil western perversion" that enters into Muslim lands. That's why the US is the primary target.
So you honestly think that Muslim fundamentalists are more angered by the freedom of American women to do things that men do, than by the US support for the local dictatorship?

So you honestly think that Muslim fundamentalists are more angered by the freedom of American women to do things that men do, than by the US support for the local dictatorship?
They're angered by the possibility that women's rights might spread into their own lands because the US media are putting ideas into people's heads. Granted, they don't like the dictatorships in their own countries, but not because they're repressive. They hate those dictatorships because they're not repressive enough. The terrorists want leaders who will enforce a very strict form of Sharia. They certainly don't like the US supporting non-sharia dictators, but they also hate the idea of a democratic, secular government taking over in their lands.

I believe that terrorism has only social causes. It is not that they want everyone to be muslim or adhere to their morals and behaviours since every religion defends the same. Catholic and their moral superiority over other christians and jews and muslims for instance.

In times of desperation people believe every crazy idea someone who is or pretends to be a savior gives them. It has been so with all the prophets from old and new testament alike and also with Herr Adolf.

Hatred is very easy on that region against the americans for their continued two weights policy towards Israel and Palestina. That explains why are americans and pro-americans the main targets of their actions.

If america gives some steps towards a more equal treatment between Palestine and Israel half of the problems will be solved. Also there is the need to stop pactuating with non progressist govts in the muslim world such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Most terrorists come from Saudi Arabia because it is a country with one of the biggest rich poor divides.

BTW Iraq was not a confessional state so the fundamentalist adjective to their govt cannot be applied on religious terms.

I believe that terrorism has only social causes. It is not that they want everyone to be muslim or adhere to their morals and behaviours since every religion defends the same. Catholic and their moral superiority over other christians and jews and muslims for instance.

In times of desperation people believe every crazy idea someone who is or pretends to be a savior gives them. It has been so with all the prophets from old and new testament alike and also with Herr Adolf.

Hatred is very easy on that region against the americans for their continued two weights policy towards Israel and Palestina. That explains why are americans and pro-americans the main targets of their actions.

If america gives some steps towards a more equal treatment between Palestine and Israel half of the problems will be solved. Also there is the need to stop pactuating with non progressist govts in the muslim world such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Most terrorists come from Saudi Arabia because it is a country with one of the biggest rich poor divides.

BTW Iraq was not a confessional state so the fundamentalist adjective to their govt cannot be applied on religious terms.
Poverty is very clearly not the source of terrorism. The nineteen suicide hijackers on 9/11 were upper middle class. The leaders of Al Quaeda are rich.

If you read transcripts of Bin Laden's speeches he does pay a little lip service to the palestinians, but he's mostly motivated by his violent form of Islam. He's offended by non-muslims living in "the land of the two holy places" (Saudi Arabia). He decries the moral corruption of the west. He does not call for feeding the poor or educating the ignorant.

Poverty is very clearly not the source of terrorism. The nineteen suicide hijackers on 9/11 were upper middle class. The leaders of Al Quaeda are rich.

If you read transcripts of Bin Laden's speeches he does pay a little lip service to the palestinians, but he's mostly motivated by his violent form of Islam. He's offended by non-muslims living in "the land of the two holy places" (Saudi Arabia). He decries the moral corruption of the west. He does not call for feeding the poor or educating the ignorant.

I am not saying that terrorists are all poor although it helps. I also dont believe the leadership of Al-Qaeda believes their own preachings. I am just saying that poverty is the biggest draft pool terrorists could ever want so they are really not interested in improving the standarts of living in muslim countries. The war of the leaderships has only one objective: increasing oil prices which they sucessfully acomplished. In a kind of way some American corporations also benefit from these increased oil prices (enemies?).

In "1984" George Orwell predicted a continuous war in the future whose only purpose would be to keep some elites in power. I believe this is the kind of war he talked about.

I am not saying that terrorists are all poor although it helps. I also dont believe the leadership of Al-Qaeda believes their own preachings. I am just saying that poverty is the biggest draft pool terrorists could ever want so they are really not interested in improving the standarts of living in muslim countries. The war of the leaderships has only one objective: increasing oil prices which they sucessfully acomplished. In a kind of way some American corporations also benefit from these increased oil prices (enemies?).

In "1984" George Orwell predicted a continuous war in the future whose only purpose would be to keep some elites in power. I believe this is the kind of war he talked about.
You state that the poor are terrorist's prime recruiting grounds. That's simply not true for Al Quaeda. They have many wealthy and middle class members. Many of them left soft lifestyles in Saudi Arabia to go fight in Afghanistan, particularly during the Soviet occupation. They weren't motivated by poverty or oil, but by non-beleivers occupying muslim land.

You claim that the leadership of Al Quaeda doesn't beleive their own preaching. What do you base that claim on? They actually have built their case for war on Ibn Taymia's and Hassan al Banna's theology and muslim legal theory.

You may claim that Al Quaeda isn't motivated by religion, but all the evidence I've seen shows clearly that they are.

They're all the same. Proposal for a common name for those right-to-left-readers, anyone?

:DSemites...

hey presidentScrub...got more Anti-Semite jokes? [/sarcasm]

Semites...

hey presidentScrub...got more Anti-Semite jokes?

BTW...I would not mind if they Lock your anti-semite Jokes.


What anti - semite jokes?

Hey...I get it! You think Scrub be me! :D Judging from his posts so far, I consider myself flattered.
Thank you :fluffle:

In "1984" George Orwell predicted a continuous war in the future whose only purpose would be to keep some elites in power. I believe this is the kind of war he talked about.
1984 wasn't supposed to be a prophecy. Orwell just looked at the state of the world and wrote based on what he saw. I think Ingsoc is mainly based on Stalin's USSR.

What anti - semite jokes?
:not you

not you the President Schrub
Darn :(

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html See if this changes your mind?
I find that page funny as hell, actually.

"Massive war crimes in Vietnam war:"
Right... Every soldier is a war criminal? Give me a break. Were there some atrocities? Yes. However there were in EVERY war.

"Destruction of democracy in Chile"
Didn't they oust someone who was pro-Communist?

"Embargo of Cuba but not China or Saudi Arabia"
China used to have a trade embargo on it.

"Preference for totalitarian China, not democratic Taiwan"
Used to be the other way around. Due to international pressures (read: Our 'buddies' in Europe), we recongized mainland China.

"The USA supported the military junta in Greece 1967-1974"
Didn't they replace a Communist/pro-Communist government?

"Total support for Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians"
Untrue. And most Americans do not feel that either side is in the right.

"Colonization of Hawaii"
Oh hell, you want to get into crap over 100 years old? How about everything every other country has done over the past 1000 years? The Arabs aren't exactly on a clean slate there either.

"Training of terrorists in Latin America"
...right...

"Funding, weapons and training for Nicaraguan terrorists"
'Terrorists' or anti-Communists?

"Refusal by the USA to accept Jewish refugees before WW2"
So did most of the world. This includes France, The Netherlands, Denmark, and hell, even the UK resisted for quite some time.

"Lack of empathy for suffering in poor countries: US citizens have absolutely no comprehension of how much other countries suffer. A typical attitude is shown by some US women who see news stories of third world countries where people are starving and say things like: Ooh, I'd die for that slim figure."
Oh please. Is the author REALLY that stupid?

"Arrogant, conceited nationalism"
Bull. Especially with the given examples.

"Theft of Spanish lands in America: The USA stole vast areas of land from the Spanish empire to create California, Texas etc."
Oh... The MEXICAN lands that we won in war? Or does the author seem to forget that Mexico had already broken from Spain?

"Support for Indonesian massacre of Chinese"
Killing Communists...

"Invasion of Panama"
He was Communist leaning and that drug trafficking really helped in the decision to kick his arse out.

"Attempted invasion of Cuba"
This is funny. People who were exiled and supporters of the previous government attempt to stage a coup and we get blamed for them wanting to do it? There are ALOT of Cubans who are anti-Communist. Do you know why that operation failed? We didn't bomb Castro's installations like we said we would.

"Forcing poor countries to import US tobacco"
Oh please. People aren't forced to smoke.

"Support for Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan"
Yes... The Russians 'improved life' when they weren't taking it by killing people for being dissidents.

"Support for Iraqi war crimes and weapons of mass destruction"
Iran was, and is, a dangerous rogue state. Iraq at the time was deemed the lesser of two evils.

"Killing thousands of innocent poor Afghans"
People die in war. Get over it. Or prepare to execute WW2 vets (in ALL countries) for the outright slaughter of Germans throughout the War.

"Corrupt, undemocratic US voting system"
*sigh* Still the 2000 election? GET OVER IT. Most of those fraud charges were deemed BS. How about the Democrats encouraging minorities to LIE during the last election about voter disenfranchisement?

I'd read the rest, but after skimming it over, I'm laughing too hard at all the garbage shoved into one website.

Why do they hate us? From their point of view the way people should live has been revealed by Allah through the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. We in the west don't live that way, yet we are successful militarily, economically, and politically. The terrorists, like Al Quaeda, Taliban, etc. adopt a very strict, rigid, and austere Muslim lifestyle, yet their god doesn't reward them. They have no military power, no source of wealth other than the donations from wealthy Saudi princes, and no political power.
They envy the west.

Also, their version of Islam teaches that Islam is fated to become the worldwide religion. They beleive that they are called to spread their repressive version of Islam to all people, by force if necessary. They see any other government as illegitemate, and any other lifestyle as an insult to their faith.
They are offended by the west.

That's why they hate us.
What makes that any different from Fundamentalist Christianity?

What you said doesn't explain why they've singled us out. As I said, you don't see them flying planes into Canada or calling France, "The Great Satan."


Granted, they don't like the dictatorships in their own countries, but not because they're repressive. They hate those dictatorships because they're not repressive enough.

I'd like to share something with you, which you might not have seen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10079-2004Oct29.html

The following are excerpts from a speech by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden addressing the American people in a videotape, parts of which were aired by the al-Jazeera television network, as translated by Reuters.
O American people, I am speaking to tell you about the ideal way to avoid another Manhattan, about war and its causes and results.

Security is an important foundation of human life, and free people do not squander their security, contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not attack Sweden, for example.

It is known that those who hate freedom do not possess proud souls like those of the 19, may God rest their souls. We fight you because we are free and because we want freedom for our nation. When you squander our security, we squander yours.

I am surprised by you. Despite entering the fourth year after September 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you, and therefore the reasons are still there for a repeat of what happened.

God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers. But after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. 6th Fleet.

In those difficult moments, many emotions came over me that are hard to describe, but that produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.

As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and stop killing our children and women.

We had no difficulty in dealing with Bush and his administration because they resemble the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half by the sons of kings. . . . They have a lot of pride, arrogance, greed and thievery.

He [Bush] adopted despotism and the crushing of freedoms from Arab rulers and called it the Patriot Act under the guise of combating terrorism. . . .

We had agreed with the [the Sept. 11] overall commander Mohamed Atta, may God rest his soul, to carry out all operations in 20 minutes -- before Bush and his administration could take notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American forces would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to face those horrors alone at a time when they most needed him because he thought listening to a child discussing her goat and its ramming was more important than the planes and their ramming of the skyscrapers. This gave us three times the time needed to carry out the operations, thanks be to God. . . .

Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential candidate John F.] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands, and each state that does not harm our security will remain safe.

Semites...

hey presidentScrub...got more Anti-Semite jokes? [/sarcasm]
Just one more.

A guy walks into a political forum and someone accuses him of being anti-Semitic. Then the guy says, I'm a Noahide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide)!

GET IT?

Poverty is very clearly not the source of terrorism. The nineteen suicide hijackers on 9/11 were upper middle class. The leaders of Al Quaeda are rich.
What about suicide bombers? I hear that position doesn't pay very well, and the health insurance is awful (their HMOs make you want to just die). And what about the people fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are they rich?

And are the nations where terrorism comes from wealthy? In fact, what is the quality of life in terrorist nations?

I just done had a realization, as to why there evil people in the Middle East. Yes, I have found the solution, the answer to why there is terrorism, daily, threatenin freedom, democursy, and our way of life.

Readin right to left. I'm not sure if anybody knows this, but Arabic reads right to left. Has anyone here ever tried? With any language? It's practically impossible.

Every time I try to read right to left, I get angry, because it's so gee darn difficult and it gives me a headache. Why, if I had to do that every time I try to read a book, I'd probably be a terrorist too.

And if these people cannot read, how can they read about how America is better than every country in the entire world? How can they learn that they're starving to death and being oppressed by fascists, because they're lazy?

Terrorists are jealous of our freedom. They envy us, for reading left to right. So, the answer is for us to create reform in the Middle East, to horizontally flip the Arabic language. And think, even it it DOESN'T work, it'll sure confuse the heck out of Al-Qaeda!

Or should I say.. Adeaq-La!

Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort*

Who's with me?!

They also harbor the irrational temper of those that use the metric system. They just can't keep all those kilos and decis and hecta prefixes straight. We don't have that burden, thus another reason to hate us.

What makes that any different from Fundamentalist Christianity?

What you said doesn't explain why they've singled us out. As I said, you don't see them flying planes into Canada or calling France, "The Great Satan."

Fundamentalist Christians are a potential danger. There has been some terrorism connected with them. I don't like them either, but the sheer scale of Islamofascist terrorism dwarfs the terrorism of Christian extremists.

I did say why the singled us out. It's in a post that follows the one you chose to respond to. Please excuse me, but I don't feel like repeating myself.



I'd like to share something with you, which you might not have seen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10079-2004Oct29.html

The following are excerpts from a speech by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden addressing the American people in a videotape, parts of which were aired by the al-Jazeera television network, as translated by Reuters.

Yes, that's one speech. He does talk about the palestinians. I've already said that he pays lip service to that cause. Other speeches mention non-beleivers living in Saudi, and the "immorality" that America spreads. He's religiously motivated. Not politically. If he were motivated by suffering he'd address the suffering caused by Sudan over the last few decades. The two genocides they've conducted. He doesn't. Why? Simple, the Sudanese are Muslim, and the first genocide they conducted was against Christians and Animists. The second, he'll let it slide because it's an internal Muslim matter.



What about suicide bombers? I hear that position doesn't pay very well, and the health insurance is awful (their HMOs make you want to just die). And what about the people fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are they rich?

And are the nations where terrorism comes from wealthy? In fact, what is the quality of life in terrorist nations?
Yes, poor people are recruited as suicide bombers. Their motivation isn't for more food or healthcare for their people though. Remember the Bali suicide bombing? How does driving away tourists help bring in money? It was done because people were drinking, screwing, and otherwise acting "immorally".

The people fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan can be divided into three groups. Nationalists, who are fighting to get the foreign influences out Criminals, who are making money through kidnapping or opium, and Jihadists, who are fighting a religious war. The Jihadists would fight regardless of their economic situation.

The nation that drives Sunni terrorism worldwide is Saudi Arabia. It is quite wealthy, and uses that wealth to fund madrassas that teach anti-western hate alongside bigoted wahabbi fundamentalism. Saudis also donate quite a bit of money to Al Quaeda as a bribe to keep terrorist acts from targeting the house of Saud. The recent cutbacks in donations seem to have sparked a spate of terrorist attacks within the kingdom.

Fundamentalist Christians are a potential danger. There has been some terrorism connected with them. I don't like them either, but the sheer scale of Islamofascist terrorism dwarfs the terrorism of Christian extremists.
Isn't it odd that:

IRAQ-->Hussein put in power by Reagan
IRAN-->Hates America, because Reagan supoort the Iranian dictator, Pahlavi
BIN LADEN\TALIBAN-->Put in power by Reagan, as we were fighting the Soviets, alongside them.


Yes, that's one speech. He does talk about the palestinians. I've already said that he pays lip service to that cause.
What do you expect him to do? He couldn't possibly keep up with the U.S. giving half of its foreign aid to Israel, and I'm sure Al-Qaeda's been rather short of funds, for a while now.


If he were motivated by suffering he'd address the suffering caused by Sudan over the last few decades. The two genocides they've conducted. He doesn't. Why? Simple, the Sudanese are Muslim, and the first genocide they conducted was against Christians and Animists.
He doesn't need to. He's talking to Americans, and the speech is meant to enlighten Americans on what they don't know and inspire Muslims. Attacking the WTC was an evil thing to do, but "he doesn't mention Sudan" is about as stupid as saying, "You forgot Poland."

Yes, poor people are recruited as suicide bombers. Their motivation isn't for more food or healthcare for their people though. Remember the Bali suicide bombing? How does driving away tourists help bring in money? It was done because people were drinking, screwing, and otherwise acting "immorally".
And why would people blow themselves up, for moral reasons?

I mean, we don't have it in America. So, what makes them different than us?

The people fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan can be divided into three groups. Nationalists, who are fighting to get the foreign influences out Criminals, who are making money through kidnapping or opium, and Jihadists, who are fighting a religious war. The Jihadists would fight regardless of their economic situation.
How could these Jihadists become so popular in the Middle East, though?


The nation that drives Sunni terrorism worldwide is Saudi Arabia. It is quite wealthy, and uses that wealth to fund madrassas that teach anti-western hate alongside bigoted wahabbi fundamentalism.
And the Bush family has close ties with the Saudis, because of the massive amounts of money we spend on their oil.

Isn't it odd that:

IRAQ-->Hussein put in power by Reagan
IRAN-->Hates America, because Reagan supoort the Iranian dictator, Pahlavi
BIN LADEN\TALIBAN-->Put in power by Reagan, as we were fighting the Soviets, alongside them.[QUOTE]

Irrelevant. I'm no neocon defending Reagan. I'm just dealing with the consequences.


[QUOTE]What do you expect him to do? He couldn't possibly keep up with the U.S. giving half of its foreign aid to Israel, and I'm sure Al-Qaeda's been rather short of funds, for a while now.

I'm just pointing out that the Palestinians aren't his main issue. He uses them to win propaganda points in the west and to further provide justification for himself among Muslims.


He doesn't need to. He's talking to Americans, and the speech is meant to enlighten Americans on what they don't know and inspire Muslims. Attacking the WTC was an evil thing to do, but "he doesn't mention Sudan" is about as stupid as saying, "You forgot Poland." Yes, he's talking to Americans. Why isn't he talking to anyone else? America hasn't commited anything close to a genocide since the Indian wars. He's singled us out for the reasons I listed earlier in the thread. That's my point.


And why would people blow themselves up, for moral reasons?

I mean, we don't have it in America. So, what makes them different than us?

It's a different culture. In America and Europe we're accustomed to look for socioeconomic motives. That's just seeing the world through the lense of our own societies. In parts of the world where religion trumps money and superstition wins out over knowledge people are motivated by what they think god wants.


How could these Jihadists become so popular in the Middle East, though? Because they're seen as pious and strong. Because they are the only power in the region that challenges the totalitarian governments. Finally, because the totalitarian governments like to blame America and come up with CIA conspiracy theories whenever something goes wrong for them. If you're raised in a place where TV, Radio and Newspapers blame everything on America you'll like anyone who attacks America.


And the Bush family has close ties with the Saudis, because of the massive amounts of money we spend on their oil.
That's true. It's scandalous, possibly treasonous, but true.

Here's why they hate us. And if you're easily offended, don't click here:
http://www.czabe.com/images/snicky/snicky185-1.jpg

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html See if this changes your mind?
I love the irony of the guy saying how American don't know how poor people suffer, while he has a computer and an internet site. I doubt he suffers.

lets debate issue per issue...
http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html

I find that page funny as hell, actually.

"Massive war crimes in Vietnam war:"
Right... Every soldier is a war criminal? Give me a break. Were there some atrocities? Yes. However there were in EVERY war.every soldier a war Criminal? I dont think so...Still It doen not negate the "massive war crimes" statement.
BTW...No, there is no nassive war crimes in every war.

"Destruction of democracy in Chile"
Didn't they oust someone who was pro-Communist?maybe he was...
still the US destroyed democracy...killed their president....tortured and muredered men and women...

#25 on that list seems a little ridiculous to me.

that is hilarious... the rationalizations for trying to explain the "logic" behind a sociopath purposely flying a jet into a tower full of thousands of civilians.

here's what i think:

a)they're jealous of our wealth... and they don't know how to do anything about it.
b)they hate our freedom.
c)they hate our culture... western culture
d)they hate our religion... although many muslims respect Jesus, his followers are still known as infidels.

Insane hatred and jealousy... plus a bit of sociopathy (more for some, less for others) that allows them to KILL CIVILIANS ON PURPOSE... and there you have it.

You forgot one:

e: we steadfastly refuse to allow them the fun of committing Holocaust II.

OR, on a humorous note, we are to them what the Romans were to the People's Front of Judea in "Monty Python's the LIfe of Brian":

REG:
We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State, and if he doesn't agree immediately, we execute her.

MATTHIAS:
Cut her head off?

FRANCIS:
Cut all her bits off. Send 'em back on the hour every hour. Show them we're not to be trifled with.

REG:
And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and that we shall not submit to blackmail!

COMMANDOS:
No blackmail!

REG:
They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG:
Yeah.

LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG:
Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES:
The aqueduct?

REG:
What?

XERXES:
The aqueduct.

REG:
Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

COMMANDO #3:
And the sanitation.

LORETTA:
Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

REG:
Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

MATTHIAS:
And the roads.

REG:
Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

COMMANDO:
Irrigation.

XERXES:
Medicine.

COMMANDOS:
Huh? Heh? Huh...

COMMANDO #2:
Education.

COMMANDOS:
Ohh...

REG:
Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

COMMANDO #1:
And the wine.

COMMANDOS:
Oh, yes. Yeah...

FRANCIS:
Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

COMMANDO:
Public baths.

LORETTA:
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

FRANCIS:
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

COMMANDOS:
Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

XERXES:
Brought peace.

REG:
Oh. Peace? Shut up!

I just done had a realization, as to why there evil people in the Middle East. Yes, I have found the solution, the answer to why there is terrorism, daily, threatenin freedom, democursy, and our way of life.

Readin right to left. I'm not sure if anybody knows this, but Arabic reads right to left. Has anyone here ever tried? With any language? It's practically impossible.

Every time I try to read right to left, I get angry, because it's so gee darn difficult and it gives me a headache. Why, if I had to do that every time I try to read a book, I'd probably be a terrorist too.

And if these people cannot read, how can they read about how America is better than every country in the entire world? How can they learn that they're starving to death and being oppressed by fascists, because they're lazy?

Terrorists are jealous of our freedom. They envy us, for reading left to right. So, the answer is for us to create reform in the Middle East, to horizontally flip the Arabic language. And think, even it it DOESN'T work, it'll sure confuse the heck out of Al-Qaeda!

Or should I say.. Adeaq-La!

Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort* Heh. *snort*

Who's with me?!
I am a speaker of Arabic and it was "gee darn difficult" to learn to read English you little...

Besides I'm learning Japanese and they read not only right to left but top to bottom as well. Whose having a go at them (not that anyone should)? No-one.

I posted the Isometry.com/usahate link because I think that it provides a fairly comprehensive list of possible reasons as to why the US has been poorly regarded by other nations throughout recent history.

While I accept that some of the reasons clutch at straws - 14, 15, 51 and 84 are prime examples, I think that even if the reader doesn't agree with all of the points, they are at least food for thought.

I have little respect for the current American government, for several reasons. I resent the US domination of Australian politics - the way our leaders fawn about because our nation is defenceless without US nuclear arms. I think Pre-emptive War is merely a buzzword for unprovoked attack. I resent the shortsighted abstinence-values that the US has exported to Africa and S.E. Asia to combat their HIV epidemics. I resent the unsigning of the Rome Statute, which leaves the US untouchable when it comes to prosecution for war crimes. I resent the loopholes they have used to incarcerate individuals (including Australians) in Guantanamo Bay. I resent their declaration that Geneva Conventions don't apply to this current conflict.

I think they are all totally valid reasons. I don't take out that animosity against Americans. You can't help the corruption of a few people in power is you didn't vote for them. And I don't hate American culture. I just hate their governmental and diplomatic corruption.

I resent the US domination of Australian politics - the way our leaders fawn about because our nation is defenceless without US nuclear arms.
:eek:
Wow. This is the first time I see the words "Australia" and "defenseless" in the same sentence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one is threatening Australia with nuclear weapons at present. And as far as conventional armies go, you guys are an unchallenged regional superpower capable of kicking any number of asses throughout Asia and Oceania.

...you guys are an unchallenged regional superpower capable of kicking any number of asses throughout Asia and Oceania.

Laying it on a little thick, aren't we? Australia might be a number of things, but a 'regional superpower capable of kicking any number of asses throughout Asia and Oceania'?

What are you describing, a nation or a pro wrestler?

that is hilarious... the rationalizations for trying to explain the "logic" behind a sociopath purposely flying a jet into a tower full of thousands of civilians.

here's what i think:

a)they're jealous of our wealth... and they don't know how to do anything about it.
b)they hate our freedom.
c)they hate our culture... western culture
d)they hate our religion... although many muslims respect Jesus, his followers are still known as infidels.

Insane hatred and jealousy... plus a bit of sociopathy (more for some, less for others) that allows them to KILL CIVILIANS ON PURPOSE... and there you have it.

And those arrogant assumptions you just made are a big part of the reason why the US is so disliked. It's not your freedom, wealth, culture or religion. It's your arrogance, hypocricy and flagrent self-interest at the expense of others. And no, I'm not condoning what the hijackers did. But an awful lot of people dislike the US and haven't attacked it at all.

Laying it on a little thick, aren't we? Australia might be a number of things, but a 'regional superpower capable of kicking any number of asses throughout Asia and Oceania'?

What are you describing, a nation or a pro wrestler?
You decide :P

My point remains, though. With the exception of India, no state in the immediate neighborhood of Australia can possibly match the military power of the Aussies, alone or in any combination.

:eek: Wow. This is the first time I see the words "Australia" and "defenseless" in the same sentence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one is threatening Australia with nuclear weapons at present. And as far as conventional armies go, you guys are an unchallenged regional superpower capable of kicking any number of asses throughout Asia and Oceania.
We're a big landmass, we're westernised, we have running water and telephones. We have very old warships and a fairly small population when one considers how big this continent it. Hell, we have to loan water-drop helicoptors off the US because we can't even defend ourselves from bushfires.

We aren't under threat from anyone in the region at the moment, but things can change. Howard won't sign the non-agression pact with Asia. He's conflicted between regional security and Georgie's Korean objective. Our defensive strength is in keeping refugees out of our waters till their boats sink, and incarcerating the survivors. What firepower we have is delegated to the whims of the US. We ain't a superpower, just minions of the US.

You decide :P

My point remains, though. With the exception of India, no state in the immediate neighborhood of Australia can possibly match the military power of the Aussies, alone or in any combination.

There are three nuclear powers in Asia - and Australia isn't one of them. India certainly has the manpower as well, but so does one other country you're curiously omitting - China.

Besides India and China, Pakistan is also a nuclear power. North Korea has ambitions. And Indonesia is the one to watch this century. An up-and-comer with a large population, developing resources, and already possessing a professional army.

Australia, like so many other nations, is a middle-power. It is not even close to being a super-power.

We're a big landmass, we're westernised, we have running water and telephones. We have very old warships and a fairly small population when one considers how big this continent it. Hell, we have to loan water-drop helicoptors off the US because we can't even defend ourselves from bushfires.

We aren't under threat from anyone in the region at the moment, but things can change. Howard won't sign the non-agression pact with Asia. He's conflicted between regional security and Georgie's Korean objective. Our defensive strength is in keeping refugees out of our waters till their boats sink, and incarcerating the survivors. What firepower we have is delegated to the whims of the US. We ain't a superpower, just minions of the US.
That's an odd way to view your own country.

Last I've heard, the Aussie army was exceptionally well trained and equipped (and I am absolutely jealous of their small arms- they get the AUG and we Israelis are stuck with the crappy piece of plastic that is the M16 until we produce enough Tavor rifles to replace them). You have all the latest American and European stuff, from tanks to helicopters. Water-drop aircraft is not a military factor at all. Nor does the population size matter, since modern wars are quality over quantity.

There are three nuclear powers in Asia - and Australia isn't one of them. India certainly has the manpower as well, but so does one other country you're curiously omitting - China.
China isn't in Australia's immediate nehgborhood, and poses no threat to Australia. Same with Pakistan and North Korea

And Indonesia is the one to watch this century. An up-and-comer with a large population, developing resources, and already possessing a professional army.
Population isn't a factor really, as I have said in my previous post. And Indonesia is still quite far from meeting even the "middle-power" standards. Saying that at this moment in time Australia is "defenseless" is simply untrue and baseless.


Australia, like so many other nations, is a middle-power. It is not even close to being a super-power.
By world standards- yes. By the regional standards of Oceania and South Asia, they certainly are the big boys.

I find that page funny as hell, actually.

"Destruction of democracy in Chile"
Didn't they oust someone who was pro-Communist?

"The USA supported the military junta in Greece 1967-1974"
Didn't they replace a Communist/pro-Communist government?

"Funding, weapons and training for Nicaraguan terrorists"
'Terrorists' or anti-Communists?

"Support for Indonesian massacre of Chinese"
Killing Communists...

"Invasion of Panama"
He was Communist leaning and that drug trafficking really helped in the decision to kick his arse out.
...

So there's absolutely nothing wrong with killing communists? I hope you're just trying to be funny but I'm quite afraid that you're not.

There's one reason and one reason only why jihadist terrorists target the US: we back Israel.

"Massive war crimes in Vietnam war:"
Right... Every soldier is a war criminal? Give me a break. Were there some atrocities? Yes. However there were in EVERY war.
But not all wars are fought for poor reasons, not all wars are massively opposed by the people and the entire world. Not all wars have a significant majority of soldiers cutting off the ears of their kills, as trophies, murdering civilians, and raping women. Not all wars are Vietnam.


"Destruction of democracy in Chile"
Didn't they oust someone who was pro-Communist?
What's "pro-Communist"? I mean, France has a rather Socialist government. Should we oust Chirac? I'm sure you'd like that, wouldn't you.


"Embargo of Cuba but not China or Saudi Arabia"
China used to have a trade embargo on it.
"Used to" isn't what matters, here. What matters is now. It matters that we're not taking action, because we benefit from China and Saudi Arabia, but not Cuba. Our "ethics" are dictated by our wallets.


"Preference for totalitarian China, not democratic Taiwan"
Used to be the other way around. Due to international pressures (read: Our 'buddies' in Europe), we recongized mainland China.
"Used to" doesn't matter. The Jews used to be persecuted in Germany, but we're not worrying about that. The past is irrelevant in the face of a hypocritical present.


"The USA supported the military junta in Greece 1967-1974"
Didn't they replace a Communist/pro-Communist government?
Should the United States invade every Communist government?

What about China? Should we invade them?

Does a country have the right to invade another, because they don't like THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT? If you said, "Didn't they have human rights abuses?", I'd see your point. But repeatedly slamming them for being Communists is fucking stupid. The U.S., even with its democracy, has been cited by China, France, Italy, and the U.N. for human rights abuses. Who are you to say, "OH, THEY'RE COMMUNIST!!! INVADE NOWWW!!!1" ?

:confused:


"Total support for Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians"
Untrue. And most Americans do not feel that either side is in the right.
Which is why nearly 50% of all foreign aid goes to Israel, as well as supplying them with nukes, despite the fact that they have a fair standard of living over there. Not to mention that after Arafat died, Conservatives were saying he was gay (literally). They said he had an AIDS-like disease, therefore, he was a homosexual. And furthermore, FAIR.ORG has documented how, percentage-wise, the American media reports Israeli deaths significantly more than Palestinian.


"Colonization of Hawaii"
Oh hell, you want to get into crap over 100 years old? How about everything every other country has done over the past 1000 years? The Arabs aren't exactly on a clean slate there either.
This is true. I don't think anyone's pissed over Hawaii. But then again, we could use your same logic. "We used to" invade and oppress other sovereign nations, for no real reason.

Oh, and you just made what's called the "Two Wrong Make a Right" fallacy.


"Training of terrorists in Latin America"
...right...
John Negroponte was well-known (not accused, but documented) to cover up human rights abuses, in Honduras, during the Reagan administration. Plus, there's the several times we tried to assassinate Arafat and Castro. Seeing how we put Hussein and the Taliban in power, while working with guerilla forces in South America, and buying oil from the Saudis, I think Condoleeza Rice needs to re-evaluate "who" is 'cavorting' with terrorists. Because we do it quite frequently.


"Funding, weapons and training for Nicaraguan terrorists"
'Terrorists' or anti-Communists?
Anti-Communist terrorists.


"Refusal by the USA to accept Jewish refugees before WW2"
So did most of the world. This includes France, The Netherlands, Denmark, and hell, even the UK resisted for quite some time.
"Two wrongs make a right."


"Lack of empathy for suffering in poor countries: US citizens have absolutely no comprehension of how much other countries suffer. A typical attitude is shown by some US women who see news stories of third world countries where people are starving and say things like: Ooh, I'd die for that slim figure."
Oh please. Is the author REALLY that stupid?
Haha, yeah, that was a stupid thing for the author to say. His example was idiotic, but his statement is true. We take our lives for granted.


"Arrogant, conceited nationalism"
Bull. Especially with the given examples.
Then be humble, damn it, and admit America isn't the best?

New Exeter, name one country that's better than America. Or at least name a country that's equal to America. Name one. If you can't (which I doubt you can), there's your arrogant, conceited nationalism. We constantly proclaim that because we have the strongest economy and military, that we're the best. But a country is not judged by its power, but by their quality-of-life. A recent study by an Irish financial group found that America's major cities don't have the best quality-of-life. Not even the top 10.


"Theft of Spanish lands in America: The USA stole vast areas of land from the Spanish empire to create California, Texas etc."
Oh... The MEXICAN lands that we won in war? Or does the author seem to forget that Mexico had already broken from Spain?
Yeah, this is a stupid point to make. But hey! Use your same logic!

We "used to" enslave people. We "used to" be racist against Native Americans and rob them of their land.


"Support for Indonesian massacre of Chinese"
Killing Communists...
Because all Communists are evil, and all Capitalists are good, right? No.


"Invasion of Panama"
He was Communist leaning and that drug trafficking really helped in the decision to kick his arse out.
Communist-LEANING?!

NOT EVEN A COMMUNIST?!

COMMUNIST-LEANING?

There are people that say that Democrats are Communst-leaning. Saying someone is "leaning" towards an ideology you consider evil, while we ignore people who are REALLY being tortured, is hypocritical.


"Attempted invasion of Cuba"
This is funny. People who were exiled and supporters of the previous government attempt to stage a coup and we get blamed for them wanting to do it? There are ALOT of Cubans who are anti-Communist. Do you know why that operation failed? We didn't bomb Castro's installations like we said we would.
Bay of Pigs invasion. Whether or not there are Cubans who are anti-Communist is irrelevant. We attempted. A friend from Panama says in Cuba, people born after the revolution (who don't remember capitalism) don't really care about Castro. Only people born before the revolution hate Communism, because they took all of their wealth. But remember: Cuba's got a higher literacy rate than the U.S., a superior educational system, and better healthcare. Hey. Maybe Communism's not so bad, after all. ;)

Let's just hope you don't try to MURDER me for saying that.


"Forcing poor countries to import US tobacco"
Oh please. People aren't forced to smoke.
Hey! Let's start forcing countries to import heroin. Because nicotine is about as addictive as heroin. And no one FORCES people to shoot up smack, or snort cocaine. ;)


"Support for Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan"
Yes... The Russians 'improved life' when they weren't taking it by killing people for being dissidents.
Well, the main problem is that we supported the terrorists in Afghanistan, promised them foreign aid for fighting for us. Then, after they kicked the Soviets out, we ignored them. They were pissed because they lived better under the Soviets, and they felt tricked by us.


"Support for Iraqi war crimes and weapons of mass destruction"
Iran was, and is, a dangerous rogue state. Iraq at the time was deemed the lesser of two evils.
The Shah of Iran jailed people who criticized the government and we helped keep him in power. If Reagan had just let the Iranians overthrow the Shah (which happened), without trying to fuck with them, we'd be on good terms with Iran right now. But instead, we put them through MORE years of suffering, by keeping a Hussein-like dictator in power, because he was pro-American. After he was overthrown, of course they'll hate us. The friend of your enemy is also your enemy.


"Killing thousands of innocent poor Afghans"
People die in war. Get over it. Or prepare to execute WW2 vets (in ALL countries) for the outright slaughter of Germans throughout the War.
But flattening a civilian restaurant within 24 hours of hearing Hussein was there is ridiculous. They could've rushed the place with Northern Alliance infantry, or scoped the place out with snipers. They didn't NEED to bomb them place, ensuring that all the civilians inside were killed. And furthermore, with smart-bombs that can hit a target the size of a pin, I don't think it's reasonable for us to "accidentally" hit a school bus or wedding several miles off target.


"Corrupt, undemocratic US voting system"
*sigh* Still the 2000 election? GET OVER IT. Most of those fraud charges were deemed BS. How about the Democrats encouraging minorities to LIE during the last election about voter disenfranchisement?
Both sides are wrong, but Putin is right. The electoral college is a joke. The electronic voting machines can be easily tampered with Bush--and yes--Bush has fixed the last two elections.


I'd read the rest, but after skimming it over, I'm laughing too hard at all the garbage shoved into one website.
No, that's not laughing. Your diaphragm's repeated spasms are as a result of asphyxiation, from swimming in a sea of ignorance.

To give some of the zealots here some perspective.

THIS is why the Middle East hates us, and why Iraqi citizens who, before the war, weren't terrorists, are now taking up arms and fighting us:
http://fapfap.org/usafreedom.jpg