NationStates Jolt Archive

Is it possible that a free and democratic Iraq might just despise the West, especially the U.S.?

What then, should they choose to only sell their oil to China and use the income to finance (f)actual WMD? In order to deter invaders, perhaps.

Now, how probable is that?

(yes, it is Iraq, not Irac. Sorry)

Is it possible that a free and democratic Iraq might just despise the West, especially the U.S.?
Yes

What then, should they choose to only sell their oil to China

It doesn't matter if they only sell their oil to China. That leaves more oil left for places that aren't China. Besides, China needs oil.

and use the income to finance (f)actual WMD?

That's a definate possibility. The ability of the United States to curtail the development of real as opposed to imaginary WMD has been serverly, um, curtailed. Just have to hope they won't get used if theymake them.

A democratic Iraq might be possible, but it sure as hell won't be a western style democracy, and thats what America refuses to understand. The east is wholly different from the west, and therefore, expecting Iraq to become a carbon copy of America is unrealistic and only serves to piss of the Iraqi people and make them more inclined to reject all forms of democracy outright.

I think a middle-of-the-road option is what this poll would have needed. The new Iraqi government will not hate the west, but neither will it love the west. They'll just sell the oil to whoever pays the most and the like.

I think a middle-of-the-road option is what this poll would have needed. The new Iraqi government will not hate the west, but neither will it love the west. They'll just sell the oil to whoever pays the most and the like.

If you agree with neither of the options, don't vote. :)

i think it will be a question of secular/fundamentalist rather then pro/anti west.

if they manage to put together a stable government that can last longer than the american occupation that is.

they could easily end up with a government extremely similar to the one they just lost. THEN it would be a question of greed rather than affection.

If you agree with neither of the options, don't vote. :)
You could have put an other option.
I think a democratic Iraq is possible and will have mixed relations with the West.

You could have put an other option.
I think a democratic Iraq is possible and will have mixed relations with the West.

I could have put so many options. But I didn't. Besides, those other options usually come with a request for clarification...so this way people will not be voting other and cheating on the clarification part. I just have no faith...


ps....this is more fun.

a democratic Iraq is very probably, but first we need to train their police forces and army, and make sure there is a stable govt. Since the Iraq elections have already taken place, and they are being trained, democracy seems well on the way. Will they love the west?.. depends who you are talking to in Iraq. The Minority Sunnis wont, b/c they had all the power when Sadam was in controll.. Now they have to share the power with the Shiites. They shiites will love America and the West b/c we gave them freedom from oppression and unjust rule. They will trade oil with us, and will probably be similar to the liberated Cuba after the Spanish-American War... where we freed Cuba, and the wrote their constitution, and told them to trade with us and give us guantanamo bay, andthey had to go through us before making any foreign relations decisions. Hopefully there wont be a communist coup like Castro in Iraq (as there was in Cuba)

If you agree with neither of the options, don't vote. :)
I'm not. :)

...Hopefully there wont be a communist coup like Castro in Iraq (as there was in Cuba)

So hopefully we'll rule Iraq a bit better than we ran all our other colonies eh? I dunno, we ran Japan okay.

Hopefully there wont be a communist coup like Castro in Iraq (as there was in Cuba)

Interesting point there. Conditions seem similar though.

Communism = Islamfundamentalism
Che = bin Laden
United Fruit = ?

Is any one aware that Iraq had a rep at the Arab-Latin meeting in Brazil?

If Iraq becomes a true democracy, and I mean a true democracy, there is no way it will hate the U.S. I can't name one true democracy that dislikes the U.S. None of the European countries like France count because they are more socialist than democratic. I also think that a democratic Iraq would not be a threat with WMD's. Countries like North Korea and Iran are threats with WMD's because they are willing to sell them to terrorists. There is no way that any government would launch an attack on the U.S. with WMD's because that would be a sure annihalation of their own country.

What is a true democracy in your opinion? Name three(3), please.

What is a true democracy in your opinion? Name three(3), please.

Probably an American puppet in his mind :p

What is a true democracy in your opinion? Name three(3), please.Venezuela comes to mind First...

What is a true democracy in your opinion? Name three(3), please.
Canada, UK, Australia

Originally Posted by Quagmir
What is a true democracy in your opinion? Name three(3), please.

It would help to say what you mean by true democracy. Being clear on terms helps avoid a lot of argueing. I'm assuming that you don't count representative democracies, but I'm not sure what you mean here.

If Iraq becomes a true democracy, and I mean a true democracy, there is no way it will hate the U.S. I can't name one true democracy that dislikes the U.S. None of the European countries like France count because they are more socialist than democratic.

I was trying to dig up what this fellow means by true democracy. And also gather other folks' views on the question.

I voted hate, rather than love, but I think it will probably be something in the middle. Probably a little bit of dislike and a healthy dose of mistrust.

If Iraq becomes a true democracy, and I mean a true democracy, there is no way it will hate the U.S. I can't name one true democracy that dislikes the U.S. None of the European countries like France count because they are more socialist than democratic. I also think that a democratic Iraq would not be a threat with WMD's. Countries like North Korea and Iran are threats with WMD's because they are willing to sell them to terrorists. There is no way that any government would launch an attack on the U.S. with WMD's because that would be a sure annihalation of their own country.


Why isn't France a democracy? Last time I checked they had free elections.

I voted hate, rather than love, but I think it will probably be something in the middle. Probably a little bit of dislike and a healthy dose of mistrust.

What reason would they have for dislike and mistrust?

What reason would they have for dislike and mistrust?

Well, in the process of removing their government, we did crap over their country rather. Tens of thousands of civilian casualties aint gonna make everyone your best friend. I doubt the kid with no parents is going to appreciate that his parents were "collateral damage" in a worthy fight for "freedom and democracy". And isn't it interesting how all the oil contracts went to large US companies? So yeah, I think it'd be pretty natural for the people as a whole to express dislike and mistrust of the US.

What reason would they have for dislike and mistrust?

Abu Ghraib ?

Well, in the process of removing their government, we did crap over their country rather. Tens of thousands of civilian casualties aint gonna make everyone your best friend. I doubt the kid with no parents is going to appreciate that his parents were "collateral damage" in a worthy fight for "freedom and democracy". And isn't it interesting how all the oil contracts went to large US companies? So yeah, I think it'd be pretty natural for the people as a whole to express dislike and mistrust of the US.

But surely they appreciate being relieved of a murdering tyrant who had them gassed and brutalized? Every good thing has a price and it is only fair that the saviours reap the rewards. Samaritizing is expensive, you know. As for Abu Ghraib, you cannot make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

But surely they appreciate being relieved of a murdering tyrant who had them gassed and brutalized? Every good thing has a price and it is only fair that the saviours reap the rewards. Samaritizing is expensive, you know. As for Abu Ghraib, you cannot make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Ah, but it is up to the Iraqi people, not the US, to decide how much the price of this goodness is, and how many rewards we should have reaped. The omelette we made was with THEIR eggs, so they know how many they wanted used. (2 egg omelettes are the best, anything more and you're just being greedy)

Its entirely their descision wether or not to hate us for our behaviour. We invaded their nation, took their resources, and tortured their people. Deposing a dictator may seem like awfully small recompense for what we did to them.

Democracy is definitely not the fix all that the current administration wants everyone to think it is.

Democracy does not insure freedom, it does not insure peace, and it definitely does not insure that the Middle East will accept Western culture.

Economic development of the region is needed before any democratic movement can really take place.

Ah, but it is up to the Iraqi people, not the US, to decide how much the price of this goodness is, and how many rewards we should have reaped. The omelette we made was with THEIR eggs, so they know how many they wanted used. (2 egg omelettes are the best, anything more and you're just being greedy)

Its entirely their descision wether or not to hate us for our behaviour. We invaded their nation, took their resources, and tortured their people. Deposing a dictator may seem like awfully small recompense for what we did to them.

Terribly well said, although I prefer 4 eggs... But if someone told me that I had to have an omelette, whether or not I wanted one....

Also, if you want to avoid breaking eggs, you can just make a tiny hole.

Interesting point there. Conditions seem similar though.

Communism = Islamfundamentalism
Che = bin Laden
United Fruit = ?

Well actually communism, socialdemocratic movements and nationlistic movements in the middle east has been and tried to be stoped by west in for example Iran. Making the oppisition against the pro western capitilistic goverments more consist of islamicfundemalist organisation like for example in Iran.