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*The marks of all "good" democrats*

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are
more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of
Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on
demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who've never been outside of Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinmen are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee
or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in
charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,but
a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the
Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.


Now for all ya left-wingers reading this. Dont get so bent out of shape that you had to read the truth. But hey...its like they say. "Its called the RIGHT-wing for a reason"

Oh God ... not *another* one ...

sigh ...

Lol

Oh God ... not *another* one ...

sigh ...



What? Cant handle the truth? The whole Democratic party is based around contradictions and lies!

funny probly cross the line in a few places but funny none the less can we have republican one thats this well done.

what?

Isn't this called trolling?

You're right. I see the error of my ways. What was I thinking? Thank you.

What? Cant handle the truth? The whole Democratic party is based around contradictions and lies!

No ... the truth is a thing of beauty. What you've posted, however, is flamebait, trolling, and outright lies. Not even funny lies, to boot.

Oh God ... not *another* one ...

sigh ...
I know every few months we see this only lukewarm joke and they somehow think it is the smartest thing ever put on the internet

lies? there not lies!

So that we have fair and balancedness - the joke from the other side

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How To Be A Good Republican

1. You believe that AIDS funding isn't needed because since you don't have sex, you won't get AIDS.

2. You have to believe that the best way to teach future adults about that awful s-e-x stuff is to pretend that it doesn't exist.

3. You have to believe that the constitution guarantees everyone except felons (but including children) the right to have a gun, but there should be no laws that check on gun purchasers to make sure they are not those felons.

4. You have to believe that everyone should only view the art that YOU like, and they shouldn't have opinions of their own.

5. You believe that big companies wouldn't pollute if you just took away the laws that tell them not to.

6. You have to believe that God is all-powerful and cannot make a mistake, but that he made one by creating homosexuals.

7. You believe adoption is better than abortion, but are unwilling to adopt any children yourself.

8. You have to believe that the Government forcing of a business to meet a minimum wage is oppressing that business from creating prosperity.

9. You have to believe that the proper use of a National Park would be a huge strip-mining operation, and that people are loonies for opposing such things.

10. You believe that self-esteem is measured by the amount of people you have stepped on to get to where you are.

11. You believe that the military has nothing to do with starting wars.

12. You believe that forcing the use of gun trigger locks so 3 year olds will stop accidentally blowing their brains out is the epitome of government oppression.

13. You believe that a CEO who pockets 180 MILLION dollars after taxes is paying too damn much to the government.

14. You have to believe that the treatment of women back when Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison lived is the way it should be today.

15. You have to believe that consensual sex out of wedlock is a problem, but hundreds of priests molesting young boys is not.

16. You believe that Dan Quayle is an intelligent person who is just mis-understood.

17. You call Bill Clinton a Socialist, even though he has presided over the most prosperous economic period of capitalism ever. (And boy don't you hate it!)

18. You believe that a government leader's private life is everybody's business but an administration secretly and illegally selling US weapons to third world crazies isn't.

19. You believe that America can be home to any and all religions, as long as it is Christianity.

20. You have to believe that cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% is in the best interest of the average American.

i'm just oing to take the oppurtunity to ask everyone to not engage in any frivolous troll bating. sometimes, if you ignore them, they DO go away. then again, sometimes you're standing there, counting to ten, or doing relaxing breathing exercises, and they're gnawing feverishly on your head. ah well. bits of the list were funny. but it's inherently disingenuous and ignorant to attempt to convey what is so clearly satire as truth.

Lol

An older version:

1. You have to believe that the nation's current 8-year prosperity was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush,.. but yesterday's gasoline prices are all Clinton's fault.

2. You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

3. You have to be against all government programs, but expect Social Security checks on time.

4. You have to believe that someone like Michelle Pfeiffer can really walk into an inner city classroom and accomplish miracles.

5. AIDS victims deserve their disease,... but smokers with lung cancer and overweight individuals with heart disease don't deserve theirs.

6. You have to appreciate the power rush that comes with sporting a gun.

7. You have to believe everything Rush Limbaugh says.

8. You have to believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor.

9. You have to believe God hates homosexuality,.. but loves the death penalty.

10. You have to believe society is color-blind and growing up black in America doesn't diminish your opportunities,... but you still won't vote for Alan Keyes!

11. You have to believe that pollution is OK as long as it makes a profit.

12. You have to believe in prayer in schools,... as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

13. You have to believe Newt Gingrich and Henry Hyde were really faithful husbands.

14. You have to believe speaking a few Spanish phrases makes you instantly popular in the barrio.

15. You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

16. You have to be against government interference in business,.. until your oil company, corporation or Savings and Loan is about to go broke... and you beg for a government bail out.

17. You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your hatred for AIDS victims, homosexuals, and President Clinton.

18. You have to believe government has nothing to do with providing police protection, national defense, and building roads.

19. You have to believe a poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school with a $1,000 voucher.

20. You only wanted Elian Gonzalez to stay in this country in order to peeve the President.

16. You believe that Dan Quayle is an intelligent person who is just mis-understood.
aaahahahaha. this is my favorite. seriously. spell potato.

Go Go Gadget "Us Against Them" mentality!

aaahahahaha. this is my favorite. seriously. spell potato.

Spelling potato without an "e" means the terrorists have already won.

Five out of twenty. Damn, I'm obviously not trying hard enough to create a false, hypocritical view of Democrats.

No ... the truth is a thing of beauty. What you've posted, however, is flamebait, trolling, and outright lies. Not even funny lies, to boot.
Actually, certain parts do pertain to most of the dems. Notably


3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are
more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of
Chinese communists.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who've never been outside of Seattle do.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the
Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

:p

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are
more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of
Chinese communists.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who've never been outside of Seattle do.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the
Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

Point 1: Democrat =/= Liberal

Point 2: Show proof of #20.

Point 3: Hunters don't usually care about nature. They just go out in their flannel shirts with a thermos of whiskey and a rifle. Nature doesn't cross their mind. Shooting something does.

Point 4: There is no point. Show me on the official Democrat Party Platform where any single one of the 20 points mentioned resides. Just one of them. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Spelling potato without an "e" means the terrorists have already won.
well, i guess i hate america. i guess i'll go get my turban.

I'd rather be a gun owner.

If you ever seriously thought about dabbing a little Hoppe's #9 on your neck before going out on a date, you just might be a gun owner.

If you buy some checkering tools, checker all your gun stocks, and then start on the bedposts, you just might be a gun owner.

If you cannot recall how many firearms you own, you just might be a gun owner.

If you buy a gun at a shop only to find out you used to own it a couple of years ago, you just might be a gun owner.

If you ever clean a gun that hasn't been shot in the week since you cleaned it last, you just might be a gun owner.

If you consider naming your unborn child Winchester or Remington, you justmight be a gun owner.

If you purchased two Glocks and two Sigs just to see which brand was better, you just might be a gun owner.

If your drive to work is filled with reverie about why Ed's Red actually works, you just might be a gun owner.

If you strip all the paint off our car and refinish it with cold blue, you just might be a gun owner.

If you ever bought ammo in a caliber for which you have no gun, because you thought some day you MIGHT get a gun in that caliber, you just might be be a gun owner.

If your collection of American Rifleman back issues, Gun Digests and reloading manuals cost you a premium the last time you moved, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have more than one gun that "kills on both ends," you just might be a gun owner.

If you know the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine," you just might be a gun owner.

If you buy high capacity magazines for a gun you have not bought yet, you just might be a gun owner.

If you take your guns out of the safe each night and handle them, just so you can wipe them off before putting them away, you just might be a gun owner.

If your family asks what new gun junk you want for Christmas this year, you just might be a gun owner.

If you see TV footage of the war in Bosnia and wish you were there to pick up the brass, you just might be a gun owner.

If you drive 300 miles just to ogle (and fire) HK-MP5s (and Stens, Uzis, BMGs and whatever else shows up at Knob Creek), you just might be a gun owner.

If you keep a loaded gun hidden in every room in the house, including the bathroom, you just might be a gun owner.

If you consider it unpatriotic not to own at least one .45 and one .22, you just might be a gun owner.

If you own reloading dies for calibers that you do not shoot, you just might be a gun owner.

If you tape American Shooter so you can pause, reverse and fast forward to do a complete analysis of the show, you just might be a gun owner.

If you understand Smith & Wesson's model numbers, you just might be a gun owner.

If you ever bought two brands of the same weight and type of bullet, just to see if one "shot better," you just might be a gun owner.

If you keep a collection of different cartridges at your place of work as a "conversation piece," you just might be a gun owner.

If you take your wife to a gun show for your 10th Anniversary and she is as excited to go as you are, you BOTH just might be gun owners.

If you and your new father-in-law go to a gun show on your wedding day, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have life memberships in more than one shooting organization, you just might be a gun owner.

If you read that "Brady II" would outlaw possession of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition and think, "I have more than that rolling around loose in the trunk of my car!" you just might be a gun owner.

If watching The Lion King gives you the itch for a .470 Nitro Express, you just might be a gun owner.

If you go to three different gun shows within a month, you just might be a gun owner.

If your guns are cleaner than your home, you just might be a gun owner.

If your mom gives you a new Springfield Armory .308 sniper rifle for Christmas, you just might be a gun owner.

If four local gun shops know you by name, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have your own BATF agent (mounted any suitable way), you just might be a gun owner.

If you identify the gun on the cover of Dillon's Blue Press before you notice the girl, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have more gunpowder stashed in your home than your local sporting goods store has on hand, you just might be a gun owner.

If all of your children are life members of the NRA, you just might be a gun owner.

If you make $30 per hour at work, but spend 30 minutes on your knees at the range looking for that last piece brass, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have Brownells on speed dial, you just might be a gun owner.

If the custom door lock pulls on your Jeep are .223 Rem cases and the gear shift knob is a .50 BMG, you just might be a gun owner.

If your girl friend thinks that aura of Hoppes #9 is your favorite after shave, you just might be a gun owner.

If you watch old WWII movies and can identify all the rifles and handguns, but can't remember who starred in the movie or what it was about, you just might be a gun owner.

If, when you hear or see the numbers 221 you automatically think "fireball," 257 you think "Roberts," 218 "Bee," 45-70 "government," etc., and can't stop, you just might be a gun owner.

If your pickup is subject to search at any given time because, in your state, empty cartridge cases rolling around the floor are considered probable cause, you just might be a gun owner.

If you get a flat tire and realize that you've got 400 pounds of shot, a Hefty bag each of wads and empty hulls, and enough primers to re-open the main shaft of the Lost Dutchman all sitting on top of your spare tire, you just might be a gun owner.

If you wonder what size rings you would need to mount the Hubble Space Telescope on a varmint rifle, you just might be a gun owner.

If .22LR cartridges frequently find their way into your wife's washing machine, you just might be a gun owner.

If your gun safe cost more than your dining room set, you just might be a gun owner.

If you know guys who are active military and you have more shooting experience than they do, you just might be a gun owner.

If you visit the shooting range more then twice a week, you just might be a gun owner.

If your wife demands that you have to sell a gun before you can buy another, you just might be a gun owner.

If you have ever had your local sporting goods store call your house and ask, "We are doing a stock order, did you need anything?" . . . you just might be a gun owner.

If the checkering pattern of your favorite 1911 is permanently impressed in your palm, you just might be a gun owner.

If your bridal registry is at the local gun shop, you just might be a gun owner.

If the largest gun store in your area calls you if they need something they can't get elsewhere, you just might be a gun owner.

If you bought 7 or more AK-47's just so you could have different ones from different countries (Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian, Yugoslavian, Egyptian, Chinese, etc.), you just might be a gun owner.

If you have framed targets hanging in your bathroom or hallway, with tight groups that you have shot, you just might be a gun owner.

Point 1: Democrat =/= Liberal

Point 2: Show proof of #20.

Point 3: Hunters don't usually care about nature. They just go out in their flannel shirts with a thermos of whiskey and a rifle. Nature doesn't cross their mind. Shooting something does.

Point 4: There is no point. Show me on the official Democrat Party Platform where any single one of the 20 points mentioned resides. Just one of them. Go ahead. I'll wait.
heheh you use =/= :D I have a tendacy to go with old school c++ and go != :)

lies? there not lies!
:headbang:


There can't be a lie. It is a location. However, they can be lies, as in the phrase "They're lies".


We'll break it down for those of you who need it.

There: location
They're: They are
Their: posessive

Print it out and slip it into your wallet for future reference.

Look ma, I can cut-and-paste too!

1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread because people are evil and should be punished.

2. You have to believe that the evolution is a myth (despite the evidence of biochemistry and the fossil record) but that creationism should be taught in schools (by that same teacher that can't be trusted to teach reading or sex education). You also have to believe that parents that do not help their children learn to read should be the sole source of sex education in this country.

3. You have to believe that there is no causal link between legal, easily-obtainable handguns and high murder rates. You also have to believe that socialist anarchists -- rather than US corporations -- have sold nuclear technology abroad.

4. You have to believe that unfunded arts and school programs are still subject to government control. You must refuse to recognize that governments have funded art throughout history. Instead, you believe art is a communist plot.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are completely unaffected by fossil fuel emissions, that the best way to save the national forests is to allow logging companies to cut down old-growth timber, and the best way to save endangered species is to allow trophy hunters and wildlife traders to import more of them.

6. You have to believe that homosexuality is evil (despite the fact that it occurs in nature) and that women should stay at home to cook and bear children.

7. You have to be against abortion but support capital punishment. You have to believe that abortion is legal "on demand" throughout pregnancy in the US.

8. You have to believe that corporations never hurt anyone to make money and always act in everyone's best interest. You have to believe government has never helped anyone unless we invaded them first.

9. You have to believe that hunting requires an automatic rifle. You have to believe only urbanites are environmentalists.

10. You have to believe that middle class income should be taxed, but inherited wealth should not be.

11. You have to believe that war is an acceptable solution to any economic or social problem. You have to believe that everyone should support the troops - except when it comes to pay or benefits.

12. You have to believe the NRA is good because it "supports" one part of the Constitution, while the ACLU is bad because it supports the rest of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are for poor and middle class people, not the rich.

14. You have to believe that Oliver North and Monica Lewinsky are more important to American history than Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy.

15. You have to believe that affirmative action is wrong, because everyone knows there's no more racism in America. You have to believe that affirmative action is legal quotas -- nevermind what the law says.

16. You have to believe that Ann Coulter is normal and really a very nice person. You have to believe a souless hack is a real lady but the mother of a well-adjusted child is not.

17. You have to believe that the only reason supply-side economics hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe liberals telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and draft-dodger belongs in the White House. You also have to believe that oral sex between consenting adults is a sex crime.

19. You have to believe that all Americans should be white heterosexual Christians. You have to believe the First Amendment is evil.

20. You have to believe that illegal Republican Party funding by corporations and foreign lobbyists is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

If silly stereotypes pass for discourse or humour, we can play this game ... forever.

whispering legs, every one of those describes my grandfather. which is distrubing. what's more disturbing is pretty much all of them that don't apply to direct gun ownership apply to me. oy. and my parents had so hoped i wouldn't become a gun nut.

You might just be a gun owner if...

You own a gun.

You might just be a Democrat if...

You're registered as a Democrat.





Case closed. There!

Okay, all. You've had your shots at each other, so now I'm going to do the smart thing and attack both of you. I refer you to:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=68

The funny part is, I'm a conservative. I guess we're just obsessed with that whole "fair and balanced" thing.

*gets out of the line of fire*

What? Cant handle the truth? The whole Democratic party is based around contradictions and lies!
Correction- The whole Political System is based around contradictions and lies.

As this thread is shown, both sides are rife with hyppoccricy. Although personally I'm a liberal, which isn't the exact same as a democrat. I support the right of people to set up mangers just as much as I think people should be able to have gay pride parades.

I remember when these lists were funny...the first five hundred times they were posted on this forum.

...What?

Why don't you vistit the DNC next year and tell them that?

*The marks of a "compassionate" conservative*

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is punishment sent by god.

2. You have to believe that 4th graders will learn all they need to know about sex by osmosis.

3. You have to believe that guns are included in the biblical command to “go forth and multiply.” You also have to be unable to actually multiply – or divide – or perform any other arithmetic function.

4. You have to believe that art does not deserve any Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global warming and climate change are actually a conspiracy to deprive you of your god given right to drive oversized SUVs.

6. You have to believe that the “glass ceiling” was put in place by the Archangel Michael with the assistance of Gabriel, and that anyone with a sexual orientation other than the same one you have is a deplorable aberration.

7. You have to be in favor of capital punishment, supporting a scheduled execution even in the light of evidence that society frequently convicts innocent people, but oppose abortion under any circumstances.

8. You have to believe that the same greedy corporate thieves who brought you “Enron” are really good guys, with the best interest of the rest of society at heart, and that all forms of government are designed solely for the purpose of protecting your business interests.

9. You have to believe that environmental activists are mentally inept, and have never been out of sight of concrete, while those mental giants who manage to kill one another, and various cows, sheep, goats, and dogs every hunting season truly understand nature.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is not something that battered and abused children should receive any help with – that they should “get over it” and do something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that we should have a Department of War, and not a Department of Defense.

12. You have to believe the NRA is good, because it supports a certain part
of the Constitution that it continually misinterprets, while the ACLU is bad, because it trys to support the entire Constitution.

13. You have to believe that there should be either no taxes, or a “flat tax”, but that ATM fees can’t be too high.

14. You have to believe that the version of American history that floats around in the vast wasteland inside your head remotely resembles the truth.

15. You have to believe that, contrary to years of careful studies, there is no difference between the early childhood experience of children with well-off parents and children who have been deprived of virtually everything their entire lives, and children from both groups have the exact same chance to do well on tests devised by someone who comes from the “well-off” group.

16. You have to believe that disparaging Hillary Clinton personally, or anyone else to whom you take a political dislike, is really well thought out political dialogue.

17. You have to believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, and continue in that belief in spite of the growing evidence to the contrary.

18. You have to believe conservatives tell the truth and belong in the White House, and that anyone who disagrees with the conservative point of view is a liar and most likely some kind of criminal and belongs in jail.

19. You have to believe that the mere fact that one of the founding principles of this country is the separation of church and state really means separation of state from all churches except the one you belong to, and that any display of pride in anything you don’t personally like or believe in is somehow dirty, dishonorable, and should be made illegal.

20. You have to believe that there is illegal, immoral and/or unethical behavior rampant in the Democratic party, it’s funding, and on the part of all it’s members, but that the Republican party remains unsullied in every way.


Of course, this set of generalizations is no better - or worse - than the one you started this thread with

I remember when these lists were funny...the first five hundred times they were posted on this forum.
That pretty much sums it up for me. However, reposting of boring old recirculated crap never seems to go out of style in other topics, so I don't see why political boring old recirculated crap should be treated differently. As such, I rule this neither flamebait nor trolling, and move on to better things.

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That pretty much sums it up for me. However, reposting of boring old recirculated crap never seems to go out of style in other topics, so I don't see why political boring old recirculated crap should be treated differently. As such, I rule this neither flamebait nor trolling, and move on to better things.

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Fine. I'll just have to stab my eyes out with rusty forks, then. Especially if I see that damned IQ voting chart again.

Point 3: Hunters don't usually care about nature. They just go out in their flannel shirts with a thermos of whiskey and a rifle. Nature doesn't cross their mind. Shooting something does.



You know this is an inaccurate generalization.

because if anything says "I care about nature"

*animal* :sniper:

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
yuppies driving SUVs.



They are affected by yuppies driving SUVs. Or more accurately, American yuppies driving American SUVs.
Why must you consume a third of the world's resources and pollute more than that.

heheh you use =/= :D I have a tendacy to go with old school c++ and go != :)

I usually use !=, but around here that just confuses people. :D

You know this is an inaccurate generalization.

It's not a generalization if you use the word "usually".

I'd rather be a gun owner.





This was a good one-thanks.

(almost got rid of the republican-democrat BS headache)

What? Cant handle the truth? The whole Democratic party is based around contradictions and lies!
So is the Republican Party.
Libertarians are the only people who truly stand for both economic *and* social freedom.

*The marks of all "good" democrats*
<snip>


Can one also believe that the earth is made out of squishy marshmallows and ho-ho's?

(BTW, I'm a Green/Libertarian, not a Democrat, and this is totally retarded.)

Well, first off, a Democrat has to believe that his party is trying to abolish guns and preserve nature, but that John Kerry is really a duck hunter and really likes killing animals.

(BTW - a side note - most of the conservation of wetlands and other natural areas has been historically paid for by hunters and hunter's conservation organizations - not the Nature Conservancy - not the Sierra Club. Not those groups by a long shot.).

So is the Republican Party.
Libertarians are the only people who truly stand for both economic *and* social freedom.

At the expense of civic responsibility.

*The marks of a "compassionate" conservative*



Kudos! This is one bad ass funny list that is sadly true. I'm going to save that one to my hd for later use if you don't mind. ^^ Don't worry, I'll give you credit for it tho. :)

At the expense of civic responsibility.
Here's where we differ from Reps and Dems - we feel that civic responsibility can only be virtuous or truly accomplish anything if people take it on of their own free will, not because the gov't tells them to do it.

Yes I have personal experience to back this up - last year I logged like 40 hrs worth of community service with my HS's Key Club.

Fine. I'll just have to stab my eyes out with rusty forks, then. Especially if I see that damned IQ voting chart again.

Post pictures when you do. :)

THXS.

Yes I have personal experience to back this up - last year I logged like 40 hrs worth of community service with my HS's Key Club.

40 hours in a whole year, eh? Well at least it can't be said you didn't do the least you could do. [/personal ribbing]

People need to be forced to have civic responsibility. Pure Libertarianism doesn't work. Myself, I'm a Libertarian Communist. I vote Progressive/Populist Democrat, however.

I'd love the idea of not having to make people do what's right. We'll just let them send the amount of taxes they think they should pay and turn themselves in to the police if they screw up.

People need to be forced to have civic responsibility. Pure Libertarianism doesn't work. Myself, I'm a Libertarian Communist. I vote Progressive/Populist Democrat, however.

Why should people be forced? And what right do people have to force others to participate in their half-baked utopias.

Why should people be forced? And what right do people have to force others to participate in their half-baked utopias.

The same way we force kids to clean up their rooms. It wouldn't get done otherwise. By what right? Simple: No one person owns the whole planet. If I have to live next door to you, I'll be damned if I'm going to let you keep huge piles of garbage in your yard.

The same way we force kids to clean up their rooms. It wouldn't get done otherwise. By what right? Simple: No one person owns the whole planet. If I have to live next door to you, I'll be damned if I'm going to let you keep huge piles of garbage in your yard.


so now we have to force Keruvalia to keep from poppin' a cap in yoru ass because of his murderous rage.

Why should people be forced? And what right do people have to force others to participate in their half-baked utopias.

Because people are greedy and lazy. Pure, unadulterated freedom is an oxymoron - if you have that, you have the freedom to oppress others. Might makes right. Freedom should be granted as long as the person in question does not limit the freedoms of others; through inaction (not giving any money to help the underprivileged when they have a boatload of free cash) as well as action (murder, theft, rape, etc.)

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so now we have to force Keruvalia to keep from poppin' a cap in yoru ass because of his murderous rage.

See? Nice how society works, eh? :D

Firstly, this is so so old.

Now for all ya left-wingers reading this. Dont get so bent out of shape that you had to read the truth. But hey...its like they say. "Its called the RIGHT-wing for a reason"
You neo-fascists make the term "right-wing" into a dirty word for we libertarians.

People need to be forced to have civic responsibility. Pure Libertarianism doesn't work. Myself, I'm a Libertarian Communist. I vote Progressive/Populist Democrat, however.
Why do a lot of socalist and communists like latching 'libertarian' onto their names? I understand it describes your social position well, but then the real libertarians (or at least "real" to me) get slack for this.

So that we have fair and balancedness - the joke from the other side

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How To Be A Good Republican

1. You believe that AIDS funding isn't needed because since you don't have sex, you won't get AIDS.

2. You have to believe that the best way to teach future adults about that awful s-e-x stuff is to pretend that it doesn't exist.

3. You have to believe that the constitution guarantees everyone except felons (but including children) the right to have a gun, but there should be no laws that check on gun purchasers to make sure they are not those felons.

4. You have to believe that everyone should only view the art that YOU like, and they shouldn't have opinions of their own.

5. You believe that big companies wouldn't pollute if you just took away the laws that tell them not to.

6. You have to believe that God is all-powerful and cannot make a mistake, but that he made one by creating homosexuals.

7. You believe adoption is better than abortion, but are unwilling to adopt any children yourself.

8. You have to believe that the Government forcing of a business to meet a minimum wage is oppressing that business from creating prosperity.

9. You have to believe that the proper use of a National Park would be a huge strip-mining operation, and that people are loonies for opposing such things.

10. You believe that self-esteem is measured by the amount of people you have stepped on to get to where you are.

11. You believe that the military has nothing to do with starting wars.

12. You believe that forcing the use of gun trigger locks so 3 year olds will stop accidentally blowing their brains out is the epitome of government oppression.

13. You believe that a CEO who pockets 180 MILLION dollars after taxes is paying too damn much to the government.

14. You have to believe that the treatment of women back when Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison lived is the way it should be today.

15. You have to believe that consensual sex out of wedlock is a problem, but hundreds of priests molesting young boys is not.

16. You believe that Dan Quayle is an intelligent person who is just mis-understood.

17. You call Bill Clinton a Socialist, even though he has presided over the most prosperous economic period of capitalism ever. (And boy don't you hate it!)

18. You believe that a government leader's private life is everybody's business but an administration secretly and illegally selling US weapons to third world crazies isn't.

19. You believe that America can be home to any and all religions, as long as it is Christianity.

20. You have to believe that cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% is in the best interest of the average American.


Re: 17

...and he had almost nothing to do with it. (the rest piss me off too, but are fair in light of those listed in the first post. #17, however, is dead-wrong for attributing the success to Clinton.)

Why do a lot of socalist and communists like latching 'libertarian' onto their names? I understand it describes your social position well, but then the real libertarians (or at least "real" to me) get slack for this.

Because of the definition of the word 'libertarian'. Socially, I am a Libertarian in every sense of the word. Economically, however, I am a Communist.

Hence, Libertarian Communist.

Being Libertarian has as little to do with the Libertarian Party as Ayn Rand does.

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and...

Re: 17
...and he had almost nothing to do with it. (the rest piss me off too, but are fair in light of those listed in the first post. #17, however, is dead-wrong for attributing the success to Clinton.)It's very interesting that both sides want to take credit for the good things that happen during an administration of their ilk, and at the same time both sides insist that an administration of the others that was in power when something good happened had nothing to do with it...

5 points off for poor spelling...;)
Grammar Nazi :eek:
(jk)

Re: 17

...and he had almost nothing to do with it. (the rest piss me off too, but are fair in light of those listed in the first post. #17, however, is dead-wrong for attributing the success to Clinton.)

lol

if you say so.

you might notice that both the dem and rep list are both crocks of shit meant only to anger the other side. you might also notice that I said I was posting it to be fair and balanced as well as admitting that it was only a joke, although the original poster actually believes her list to be the spoken word of God

Because of the definition of the word 'libertarian'. Socially, I am a Libertarian in every sense of the word. Economically, however, I am a Communist.

Hence, Libertarian Communist.

Being Libertarian has as little to do with the Libertarian Party as Ayn Rand does.

Socially, I'm not sure that Marx would have any problem with the Libertarian platform, and it wouldn't violate the tenets of Marxism to adopt it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, are you just afraid to say that you are a straight up communist, or is there something about your political beliefs that I'm missing? I ask because Libertarians and communist make for some awefully goofy intellectual bedfellows.

Socially, I'm not sure that Marx would have any problem with the Libertarian platform, and it wouldn't violate the tenets of Marxism to adopt it.

Socially? No, Marx would not. Economically? Marx would want it shot and burned.

I'm not afraid to say I am a straight up Communist because I am not a straight up Communist. If I said I was, I'd be a liar.

Because of the definition of the word 'libertarian'. Socially, I am a Libertarian in every sense of the word. Economically, however, I am a Communist.

Hence, Libertarian Communist.

Being Libertarian has as little to do with the Libertarian Party as Ayn Rand does.

just wondering:

wouldn't libertarianism, by definition, have a philosophical problem with anything that cut freedom... including financial freedom?

1st. whoever started the thread... i love it.. try this site too.

Guide for Democrats to take over the country. (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2483)

im a major republican, but not a crazy hick conservative.

one question for all...

if abortion is considered murder, is masturbation considered a genocide???? :eek:

and about the Bill Clinton thing... i could have been president and the economy would have been fine too, the economy in general has almost nothing to do with the president (once in a while the stock market is affected), unless we spend billions of dollars on war or something... but if theres nothing huge like that, anyone could have been president and still have a good economy.
NOTE: taxes were high during Clinton, now Bush gives tax breaks to EVERYONE.. im sick of hearing this garbage about the "top 1%".. everyone gets the same percentage back that they paid in taxes...


let me break it down for you stupid liberals who just like to complain about the taxes...
just for some easy numbers... (not realistic)

rich: $1,000,000 in taxes = $250,000 back
poor: $100 in taxes = $25 back


this doesnt mean that the rich are getting tax breaks.. it means that b/c they paid more, they get more back....

NOTE :also, small businesses, in order to save money, pay taxes on their annual net gains in the public tax sector as the top bracket... meaning that they (the samll business) pays the same taxes as a rich person, rather than the higher taxes of a regular sized or large business.

NOTE: republicans (and I) also firmly believe in trickle down economics, where money is given to businesses...they in turn can expand and create more jobs, therefore yielding a higher production. the ppl @ the end (the workers) end up getting the money via the jobs that are opened up.

This is better than the Democrat pump priming b/c business wont necessarily be stimulated when the poor have the money... they just have it, and it wont go back into the economy b/c they wont have a large amount of products to buy.

just wondering:

wouldn't libertarianism, by definition, have a philosophical problem with anything that cut freedom... including financial freedom?

No. They would have a problem with anything that cuts the freedom of people. Corporations are designed only to make money and therefore lack the freedom of choice to choose whether to contribute to society or not. Therefore it is possible to be Libertarian and support government regulations and whatnot.

why then does the economy do better under the Democrats rather than the Republicans?

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/autos1e_20041001.htm

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=231770

So is the Republican Party.
Libertarians are the only people who truly stand for both economic *and* social freedom.
I've got to love how the Libertarian party simplifies everything so much that upon first glance you can hardly help but agree with them. (Yes, I do agree with much of their ideas, but I recognise their word-play.)

Ask yourself: Is government too big or too small? Are taxes too high or too low? Does the government regulate my business too much or too little? Does the government control my personal life too much or not enough? If you agree, like most Americans, that government is too large, too expensive, and meddles too much, the Libertarian Party is for you!
"Well, golly gosh, I sure agree with that! Government is too big!

So you think that corporations should be allowed to cut down ancient forests for profit?

Errr, well...."

It's well known that people will tend to agree with absolute sweeping statements framed in positive language. But when you get down to specifics, people are not so sure.

why then does the economy do better under the Democrats rather than the Republicans?


simple... Democrats, for the past 100 years have been infamously known to be the "heavy taxers".. taxes are always high when democrats are in charge, therefore the govt has more money... Republicans tend to be "easy taxers"... as you can see with Bush, and his dad, and Regan... Republicans tend to give money back to the people, and are very in favor of privatization (of social security, govt. programs...), where the ppl get to decide what they want to do with their money.. rather than the democrat way of "give me your money, and Ill put it where I think is best"...

the liberals think govt is too powerful, but for some reason, they overlook the fact that the democrats are actually in favor of a more controlling govt, while the republicans want each person to deal with his own money, and deal with his own problems based on the decisions he made.

simple... Democrats, for the past 100 years have been infamously known to be the "heavy taxers".. taxes are always high when democrats are in charge, therefore the govt has more money... Republicans tend to be "easy taxers"... as you can see with Bush, and his dad, and Regan... Republicans tend to give money back to the people, and are very in favor of privatization (of social security, govt. programs...), where the ppl get to decide what they want to do with their money.. rather than the democrat way of "give me your money, and Ill put it where I think is best"...

the liberals think govt is too powerful, but for some reason, they overlook the fact that the democrats are actually in favor of a more controlling govt, while the republicans want each person to deal with his own money, and deal with his own problems based on the decisions he made.


How does more taxes = better economy?

Did you even read any of those links? The first one is the best.

I'm really tired of this "BS" the "compassionate conservative" republican's put out about "same percent of tax cut" and "let the people decide what to do with their own money".

It's crap.

A flat tax does not account for the fact that the FIRST bit of money anyone makes goes to the very most basic support - food, shelter, and ways to keep the income coming in. After that, it's better food, better shelter - and toys. Kid toys, or Big Kid toys - but that's it. Don't tax that first bit on ANYBODY. But tax the toys progressively - the more toys you can afford, the more tax you can afford.

Oh, horrors! He wants to tax us by what we can afford! Gasp. Exactly. In order NOT to tax someone into eating two meals a day instead of three.

As to the "own money" BS - you (all of us) get money based on how the society we live in values what we can and do contribute. So, some of us luck out and happen to be in a postition to contribute stuff that is valued - and some of us can contribute stuff that is valued much, much lower. Get real - we pay people millions to play games, and have heartburn over decent salaries for teachers.

Democrates see the world as "I've got some, you've got some, and Joe has none - lets share some of what we have with Joe"

Republicans see the world as "I've got mine - screw you."

Democrates see the world as "I've got some, you've got some, and Joe has none - lets share some of what we have with Joe"

There's more to this story that might help out. It's 'lets help Joe' not because he has nothing, but because it's in our best intrest that Joe is on his feet-because it's Joe that allows us to have some, through his work or his consumerism or both. He is part of the society that makes little pieces of paper or numbers in a bank computer mean anything. If you really don't think the government shouldn't be involved in all of that then you should divest yourself of money all together and barter and trade for your needs.

*The marks of all "good" democrats*

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.




lol

I'm really tired of this "BS" the "compassionate conservative" republican's put out about "same percent of tax cut" and "let the people decide what to do with their own money".

It's crap.


1. what are you talking about. I guess your mind is too misconstrued by the left media to understan, its not crap, its serious, and its truth. There is a same percent tax cut, and Republicans, for as long as I can remember are very in favor of privatization, and the people deciding what to do with their own money. Sorry to say, Sometimes you cant believe the exaggerations of Bill Mahr and Jon Stuart (though i do think they are very funny indeed)


2. What the hell was the bit about the toys and the taxing of two meals or 3 meals about?


As to the "own money" BS - you (all of us) get money based on how the society we live in values what we can and do contribute.

Democrates see the world as "I've got some, you've got some, and Joe has none - lets share some of what we have with Joe"

Republicans see the world as "I've got mine - screw you."
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3. let me bring you into reality, so you can stop living in this idealistic liberal haven you feel we are in. We get money based on how we contribute -true, this means how hard you work, or how lucky you are.

democrats see the world as: i got some, and joe doesnt, there must be something wrong with me then.

republicans see the world as: life is tough, work hard, apply yourself, or get lucky, then you can do what you want with what you earned

There's also little annoying reminders in history that we ought to share for our own good - like the French Revolution, for example.

a bunch of real BS, followed by
"democrats see the world as: i got some, and joe doesnt, there must be something wrong with me then.

republicans see the world as: life is tough, work hard, apply yourself, or get lucky, then you can do what you want with what you earned"I advise you to read "A Tale of Two Cities", "Les Miserables", and perhaps "Doctor Zhivago". Or, if you're not into actual literature, just a good history of the French and/or Russian Revolutions.

might i remind you to brush up on ur history?

the french revolution occurred becuase Louis XVI was not a good ruler, he spent his time hunting, and building extravagant palaces. He also listened to corrupt advisors who took advantage his bad judgement, and gullible demeaner. He also had french guards shoot upon protesting peasants (ie. the storming of the Bastille)

also the french bur joi-se were stealing from the massive lower class, and were getting away with murder (literally and figuratively)


and through this all i still yet to see the relevance to my responses, to anyone elses, or to the topic of discussion (how to be a good democrat)

*The marks of all "good" democrats*

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal
funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are
more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of
Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on
demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who've never been outside of Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinmen are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee
or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in
charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,but
a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the
Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.


Now for all ya left-wingers reading this. Dont get so bent out of shape that you had to read the truth. But hey...its like they say. "Its called the RIGHT-wing for a reason"

Frankly, if you have nothing better to do than to spread falsehoods throughout the internet, perhaps you should do what right-wingers tell anyone below the poverty line to do: GET A JOB

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might i remind you to brush up on ur history?

the french revolution occurred becuase Louis XVI was not a good ruler, he spent his time hunting, and building extravagant palaces. He also listened to corrupt advisors who took advantage his bad judgement, and gullible demeaner. He also had french guards shoot upon protesting peasants (ie. the storming of the Bastille)

also the french bur joi-se were stealing from the massive lower class, and were getting away with murder (literally and figuratively)


and through this all i still yet to see the relevance to my responses, to anyone elses, or to the topic of discussion (how to be a good democrat)Might I remind you of your spelling?

As to the history - you have a few pieces of it. You have the basic symptoms down. But you miss the cause of the disease. Any time there is an extremely uneven distribution of what ever wealth there is, there follows a revolution to redistribute the wealth. The gap between the extremely rich and the extremely poor in this country is growing every day.

And how does this relate to this thread? See some of my original posts - in this thread - they related directly to the original post of this thread. The last couple have been in response to the BS the "compassionate conservatives" have been spreading around this thread...rather like farmers spread the fields with...well, I think you get the comparison.

Okay, all. You've had your shots at each other, so now I'm going to do the smart thing and attack both of you. I refer you to:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=68

The funny part is, I'm a conservative. I guess we're just obsessed with that whole "fair and balanced" thing.

*gets out of the line of fire*

Thats good stuff.

At the expense of civic responsibility.
Anarchists have civic responsibility coming out our ears, and we support freedom from both gov't and corporate douchebagery.

Anarchists have civic responsibility coming out our ears, and we support freedom from both gov't and corporate douchebagery.

If I had more balls, I would be an anarchist. Same if I didn't have autism :mad:

might i remind you to brush up on ur history?

the french revolution occurred becuase Louis XVI was not a good ruler, he spent his time hunting, and building extravagant palaces. He also listened to corrupt advisors who took advantage his bad judgement, and gullible demeaner. He also had french guards shoot upon protesting peasants (ie. the storming of the Bastille)

also the french bur joi-se were stealing from the massive lower class, and were getting away with murder (literally and figuratively)


and through this all i still yet to see the relevance to my responses, to anyone elses, or to the topic of discussion (how to be a good democrat)

Whereas George W. is a good leader because he spends his time hanging out on a ranch in Texas, listens to corrupt advisors who take advantage of his lack of business judgement, and has the secret service arrest protesting peasants, or just those who wear t-shirts he doesn't like.

Our bougoisie is also stealing from the middle class and getting away with murder, both here and all over the world (Enron, Bechtel etc.)

It's very interesting that both sides want to take credit for the good things that happen during an administration of their ilk, and at the same time both sides insist that an administration of the others that was in power when something good happened had nothing to do with it...

Well when the first world trade center bombing happened Clinton didn't try to go blaming Americans, and certainly not his predecessor, even though he had only been in office for two months when it happened. He just went and got the guys responsible.

Dubya blamed Clinton for his fuck up even though Bush had been on the job for 9 months and his administration had spent most of that time deprioritizing terrorism to go after prostitutes in New Orleans. And afterwards he said that he didn't think that the guy responsible was all that important. And then lied about having said that.

Well when the first world trade center bombing happened Clinton didn't try to go blaming Americans, and certainly not his predecessor, even though he had only been in office for two months when it happened. He just went and got the guys responsible.

Dubya blamed Clinton for his fuck up even though Bush had been on the job for 9 months and his administration had spent most of that time deprioritizing terrorism to go after prostitutes in New Orleans. And afterwards he said that he didn't think that the guy responsible was all that important. And then lied about having said that.


Might i remind you that bush was deprioritizing terrorism b/c it wasnt an issue until AFTER 9/11. The guys that werent important, in fact, werent really important, they were dead, the important person was Osama Bin Laden, and the important group to go after was the Taliban, not some poor, brainwashed Saudi Arabian, who wanted to suicide bomb the buildings to his family could get a truckload of cash, and live happily. And done start me on lies and flip flops, i can go on for hours about Kerry, but I know he's over with so i'll spare you, plus im sure youve heard of some of them

Well when the first world trade center bombing happened Clinton didn't try to go blaming Americans, and certainly not his predecessor, even though he had only been in office for two months when it happened. He just went and got the guys responsible.

Dubya blamed Clinton for his fuck up even though Bush had been on the job for 9 months and his administration had spent most of that time deprioritizing terrorism to go after prostitutes in New Orleans. And afterwards he said that he didn't think that the guy responsible was all that important. And then lied about having said that.


Might i remind you that bush was deprioritizing terrorism b/c it wasnt an issue until AFTER 9/11. The guys that werent important, in fact, werent really important, they were dead, the important person was Osama Bin Laden, and the important group to go after was the Taliban, not some poor, brainwashed Saudi Arabian, who wanted to suicide bomb the buildings so his family could get a truckload of cash, and live happily. And done start me on lies and flip flops, i can go on for hours about Kerry, but I know he's over with so i'll spare you, plus im sure youve heard of some of them

Well when the first world trade center bombing happened Clinton didn't try to go blaming Americans, and certainly not his predecessor, even though he had only been in office for two months when it happened. He just went and got the guys responsible.

Dubya blamed Clinton for his fuck up even though Bush had been on the job for 9 months and his administration had spent most of that time deprioritizing terrorism to go after prostitutes in New Orleans. And afterwards he said that he didn't think that the guy responsible was all that important. And then lied about having said that.


Might i remind you that bush was deprioritizing terrorism b/c it wasnt an issue until AFTER 9/11. The guys that werent important, in fact, werent really important, they were dead, the important person was Osama Bin Laden, and the important group to go after was the Taliban, not some poor, brainwashed Saudi Arabian, who wanted to suicide bomb the buildings so his family could get a truckload of cash, and live happily. And dont start me on lies and flip flops, i can go on for hours about Kerry, but I know he's over with so i'll spare you, plus im sure youve heard of some of them

If I had more balls, I would be an anarchist. Same if I didn't have autism :mad:
double eh? It doesn't take balls, were talking community patrolls instead of police and hippy lovey shit, we don't bust out the molotovs untill waving their dicks and pistols and telling us where we may or may not plant our tomatos and pot. I'm guessing the autistic thing is some kind of insult, but we'd take care of you and give you things to do that didn't involve a lot of social understanding and we wouldn't try to force you to act like a neurotypical.

3. let me bring you into reality, so you can stop living in this idealistic liberal haven you feel we are in. We get money based on how we contribute -true, this means how hard you work, or how lucky you are.

democrats see the world as: i got some, and joe doesnt, there must be something wrong with me then.

republicans see the world as: life is tough, work hard, apply yourself, or get lucky, then you can do what you want with what you earned

. . .I am living in reality. I also know the canard about the fact that you get what you work for is just that, a canard. The single greatest factor determining whether and where you go to college in this country isn't grades, isn't GPA, isn't IQ, isn't test scores. It's the class status of your parents. So apparently, living in reality and being a damned dirty pinko ain't really all that contrary when it comes to education availability in this country.

Moreover, I'm also a long-time farmer. I was unique among my fellow farmer friends for two reasons. One was that my parents worked at other jobs while we contracted out most of the heavy work to others. The other distinction is that I never had to worry about getting three meals; most of my friend's families were only getting by because of government subsidies/handouts. My mother didn't have to work at all after my father's death; my stepdad worked a 40-hour workweek. Most of my friend's fathers easily worked 70+ hours a week on the farm. If effort were tied to income in this nation, then why in the hell was I so much better off than my friends, given that their parents worked so much more?