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Ok so do we think that Hillary will make it even past party nomination in 2008 presidential elections?
Will she be lucky enough to get re elected NYC Senator?

Personally I think she is going to run. I'm not sure how far she will go?
I have huge respect for her but just can't see her as a president

She already said she's not gonna run for president. She said it in 2000. She said it in 2004. She didn't run for president either of those times, but Fox News still reported on her presidential campaign in 2004. If you edit your post by replacing Hillary Clinton with your mom, it'll still make as much sense

The Govn't ios so corrupt .. the only way a woman is gonna get in is if she is just as corrupt or if all the men see a chance to get what they want by dictating her.. that won't happen with Hillary. Her ass would be shot before she got into office. Unless hes changed her head strong ways.

If she runs, she'll win.

If she'll run is the question and I'm thinking she might if the party goes downhill enough to warrant it.

BTW A question about U.S. politics. I know a president can only stay in office for two consecutive terms but after that, can he run again after he's had a term off? Could Bill run again? Could Bush in 2012?

All the dirt that the GOP has (real or fabricated, you be the judge) on Bill Clinton mostly applies to Hillary too. If you're too young to remember Whitewater, Ken Starr and listening to Rush Limbaugh claim that the Arkansas State Police is Bill Clinton's personal Gestapo, you may still have a chance to experience these wonders.

If she runs, she'll win.

If she'll run is the question and I'm thinking she might if the party goes downhill enough to warrant it.

BTW A question about U.S. politics. I know a president can only stay in office for two consecutive terms but after that, can he run again after he's had a term off? Could Bill run again? Could Bush in 2012?

Nope. Two terms is the limit. That is until the White House declares a state of emergency and suspends elections (half kidding.)

I've alwyas thought a black man would be voted in before a white woman.. but it's politics. who ever is most corruptible. No way men would let a woman in there ( by any means neccessary ) that wasn't a stooge.

Hillary Clinton is only a winnable candidate if the Republicans field a really retarded choice, like Jeb Bush, only way. Clinton would be doomed if the Republicans were to field a popular moderate, like Giuliani or McCain, or put both of them on the same ticket!

I think you can run for president after one term. That is, the rule is two terms, You could be president once in '04, and once in 2012, but only twice
So Bush and Clinton couldn't run again, but Johnson could. (As did Grover Cleveland, I believe.)

All the dirt that the GOP has (real or fabricated, you be the judge) on Bill Clinton mostly applies to Hillary too. If you're too young to remember Whitewater, Ken Starr and listening to Rush Limbaugh claim that the Arkansas State Police is Bill Clinton's personal Gestapo, you may still have a chance to experience these wonders.
the repubs would love to go another round with the clintons. this time they would spread the lie (even harder) that she murdered vince foster.

they would make her life hell.

is she ambitious enough to go through hell to be the first woman president of the united states? maybe. i dont think she should.

Nope. Two terms is the limit. That is until the White House declares a state of emergency and suspends elections (half kidding.)
Actually W. J. Clinton voiced his support for an amendment or bill proposal that would allow just that. The proposal would not affect current or past presidents, but he supported it all the same.

I think you can run for president after one term. That is, the rule is two terms, You could be president once in '04, and once in 2012, but only twice
So Bush and Clinton couldn't run again, but Johnson could. (As did Grover Cleveland, I believe.)
you also cant serve more than 10 years (in the event you were vice president and took the office after the president died)

the elder bush could run again. so could jimmy carter. so could gerald ford. im very glad that bill and W can never run again.

They put a lot of shit on Bill and he came out of it stinking like roses. If Giuliani ran though, he'd get my lock of the week!

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She may have improved in the meantime, but her inability to effectively build support for health care reform suggests that she will not have the ability to be an effective POTUS. Of course, I can think of worse people...

No way men would let a woman in there ( by any means neccessary ) that wasn't a stooge.

Why not?

Nope. Two terms is the limit. That is until the White House declares a state of emergency and suspends elections (half kidding.)

It's happened before with Franklin Roosevelt during WWII

you also cant serve more than 10 years (in the event you were vice president and took the office after the president died)

I think FDR was longer than ten years.

I think FDR was longer than ten years.he was president before that amendment passed

I think FDR was longer than ten years.

He was in a bit over 12 years, but that was before that ammendment passed.

Interestingly, the ammendment actually says that no one can be elected to more than 2 terms. In theory, Clinton or GWB could run as VP, and then take office if the president dies/resigns/etc.

Of course, that won't happen, and would probably be challenged by the USSC if it did.

The Govn't ios so corrupt .. the only way a woman is gonna get in is if she is just as corrupt or if all the men see a chance to get what they want by dictating her.. that won't happen with Hillary. Her ass would be shot before she got into office. Unless hes changed her head strong ways.
Are you sure.Condolezza Rice Vs. Hillary Clinton...
I think they are both female.

In theory, Clinton or GWB could run as VP, and then take office if the president dies/resigns/etc.The Constitution says if you can't be elected president, you can't be vice president.

She already said she's not gonna run for president. She said it in 2000. She said it in 2004. She didn't run for president either of those times, but Fox News still reported on her presidential campaign in 2004. If you edit your post by replacing Hillary Clinton with your mom, it'll still make as much sense
noooooooooo.. Hillary's not going to run.

That's why she's publicly moving toward the center and away from her radical liberal ideals. That's also why she's pushing for a law that would make it vastly easier for illegal aliens and felons to vote. Those things have NOTHING to do with a possible presidential run in 2008. :rolleyes:

Are you sure.Condolezza Rice Vs. Hillary Clinton...
I think they are both female.
I would vote for Condi in a heartbeat.

For varies reasons I would vote for a female President in a heartbeat, however that is not to say that I would vote for a President solely because she is a female and most definitely NOT Hitlery. Most people think that if a woman runs ALL women will support her no matter what she stands for, this is simply not the case and because of this Hitlery doesn't have a chance in hell of winning. Enough Democrats hate her, more then enough Republicans hate her, if it came down to it Democrats would swing right solely to stop her, and she simply won't pull all women. All that said, by all means let her run, it will only guaranty the Republicans four more years.

That's why she's publicly moving toward the center and away from her radical liberal ideals. That's also why she's pushing for a law that would make it vastly easier for illegal aliens and felons to vote.you realize you just contradicted yourself, right?

you realize you just contradicted yourself, right?
Not really. The Republicans aren't doing any better about the illegal alien problem. Also, she's couching the proposed law as a "voting freedom" law. She's been publicly presenting the bill with rather centrist rhetoric and doing her best to deny the fact that it would make it easier for felons and illegal immigrants to slip into the voting rolls.

Not really. The Republicans aren't doing any better about the illegal alien problem. Also, she's couching the proposed law as a "voting freedom" law. She's been publicly presenting the bill with rather centrist rhetoric and doing her best to deny the fact that it would make it easier for felons and illegal immigrants to slip into the voting rolls.Then I'll explain. You said she's moving to the right on the political spectrum, away from whatever ideas you think are radical. You also said she's pushing for a law that would allow ex-felons to vote. The policy direction to allow ex-felons to vote is considered to be on the left side of the political spectrum. Since the desire to allow ex-felons to vote is considered to be a liberal idea, your claim that she's pushing for a law to allow ex-felons to vote contradicts your claim that she's moving away from her "radical liberal ideals." If that's not clear enough, maybe flow charts and puppets would work

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1059000,00.html?cnn=yes

Ok so do we think that Hillary will make it even past party nomination in 2008 presidential elections?
Will she be lucky enough to get re elected NYC Senator?

Personally I think she is going to run. I'm not sure how far she will go?
I have huge respect for her but just can't see her as a president
Laura Bush is a living irony. A librarian who can't read.

Hillary Clinton would make a good President, I think. She's certainly got the "testicular fortitude."

I hope not, my democratic choice.

Then I'll explain. You said she's moving to the right on the political spectrum, away from whatever ideas you think are radical. You also said she's pushing for a law that would allow ex-felons to vote. The policy direction to allow ex-felons to vote is considered to be on the left side of the political spectrum. Since the desire to allow ex-felons to vote is considered to be a liberal idea, your claim that she's pushing for a law to allow ex-felons to vote contradicts your claim that she's moving away from her "radical liberal ideals." If that's not clear enough, maybe flow charts and puppets would work
okay... since you obviously can't grasp politics, I'll explain it for you...r e a l l l l l l l l l l y s l o w l y.

On most of the best publicized issues she's involved with, she's publicly moving to the center. This is done to make her more viable to moderates/centrists. The allowing felons and illegals to vote hasn't had nearly the publicity and is a measured move in order to keep her radical liberal nutjob base pacified.

What she's doing is called "covering all the bases" and is usually a SURE sign of a presidential run.

Now... I hope you got that, because I suck at making flowcharts.

Are you sure.Condolezza Rice Vs. Hillary Clinton...
I think they are both female.


Condolezza isn't president. But .. I'd bet she's pretty crooked herself.

Why not?


For the simple fact that she's a woman. For a politician to get that far they gotta be crooked anyway .. IMO.

I said this to someone once and they said "Ronald Reagen wasn't a crook".
I've never read up about him enough to know if they were wrong or not.

Hopefully I will proven wrong one day.

Condolezza isn't president. But .. I'd bet she's pretty crooked herself.
I doubt she's crooked at all...because the Dems scruitinized the hell out of her for her appointment as head of the State Department. If she was crooked, they would have had a field day with it in the press.

For the simple fact that she's a woman. For a politician to get that far they gotta be crooked anyway .. IMO.

So you think H. Clinton couldn't get voted in because she's a woman? But India and Indonesia have both elected women. Do you think the U.S. is more sexist than these two countries? Besides, what she loses in negative sexism, she might make for in positive sexism. Plenty of people might vote for her simply because she is a woman.

It also sounds that you think politics is pretty dirty in the U.S. I suppose that makes it important to support the least corrupt politicians and push for accountability and reform.

No, I didn't say she couldn't or wouldn't. I said if they do.. they must be crooked, a parrot or will end up being made a stooge. That is my opinion.

So you think H. Clinton couldn't get voted in because she's a woman? But India and Indonesia have both elected women. Do you think the U.S. is more sexist than these two countries? Besides, what she loses in negative sexism, she might make for in positive sexism. Plenty of people might vote for her simply because she is a woman.

It also sounds that you think politics is pretty dirty in the U.S. I suppose that makes it important to support the least corrupt politicians and push for accountability and reform.


I think politics are pretty dirty period. I'm not saying that there aren't any with good intentions. Those that are of good intentions will more than likely get corrupt once in. But majority of them are just plain crooked.

I would vote for a yellow dog before I voted for hillary clinton. Hell, I would vote GWB before her. I really want McCain to run. Or Jon stewart......

The next Dictator will clearly do the following things:

Insist over and over that his presence is warranted by God.

Use religion in all things he does, and insist indirectly, that anyone who does not believe in him, isnt a proper citizen of the country he leads.

Invade a number of third world countries, on nafarious circumstances.

Insist that a secular government be installed, even though rules are in place to prevent this.

hmmm...

Sound like anyone you know?