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Hey, I thought everyone in Europe was blissfully happy, and everyone got along with Muslims with no problems whatsoever on either side.

Then I read this, at The Fjordman:

Rock throwing and attacks against buses and trains are increasing problems in some suburbs. In Malmö the bus lines in the area of Rosengård have been cancelled. In Stockholm, the authorities went even further and stopped both the bus traffic in the Tensta suburb and the train to Nynäshamn. Head of the bus company in the city of Uppsala, Claes-Göran Alm, is considering doing the same, as the harassment is costing too much money and is putting their employees at risk. Benny Persson is selling window glass in the areas south of Stockholm. According to him, they sometimes have to jump into the car and leave the spot, as they are met with the harassment that some of the bus companies in the suburbs are experiencing: Stone throwing and threats. The same thing is reported from Gothenburg, Sweden’s second largest city. The company Hemglass are now attempting to run double crews in their cars to face the problems, but they still have had to completely abandon an area outside Södertälje. If you get stuck in an elevator outside Stockholm, you risk staying there for a long time. The repair personnel now demand security guards present when they arrive, since several of their employees have been physically attacked. The most serious problem, however, is the delay of ambulances and the fire department. According to the Emergency Central, attacks against them have become commonplace in the cities. Every Saturday, at least five to ten times emergency personnel are asking for police escort to be able to do their job.

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Thought you were going to talk about Theo Van Gogh (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/02/netherlands.filmmaker/index.html)

Totally at peace with Islam, so long as we never criticize it.

I wonder who decided that Gothenburg is an important enough city to be translated into another language, but Stockholm isn't. Goths, perhaps? Or Batman fans?

It doesn't mention Muslims in the article... or did I miss it? I am just not sure why people were so angry.

It doesn't mention Muslims in the article... or did I miss it? I am just not sure why people were so angry.

Go here for more: http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/

It doesn't mention Muslims in the article... or did I miss it? I am just not sure why people were so angry.


Yes, I don't see how the thread title relates to the article. What exactly is it that the article says about Muslims?

Go here for more: http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/
Go here to see the Muslim angle from Aftenposten.

This is all news to me. As such, I rather doubt the credibility of the site, considering the owner's own description is "A blog about Islam in Scandinavia, Eurabia, Norwegian affairs, leftist stupidity, global politics and whatever else interests me." I strongly believe that the majority of this text, if not all of it, is complete BS.

This is all news to me. As such, I rather doubt the credibility of the site, considering the owner's own description is "A blog about Islam in Scandinavia, Eurabia, Norwegian affairs, leftist stupidity, global politics and whatever else interests me." I strongly believe that the majority of this text, if not all of it, is complete BS.

Then is this complete BS? http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024117.ece

I think not.

Go here to see the Muslim angle from Aftenposten.

Ah, it all becomes clear. My best friend over here in Japan is a Muslim. I will point him toward that article. Knowing him he will laugh.

This is all news to me. As such, I rather doubt the credibility of the site, considering the owner's own description is "A blog about Islam in Scandinavia, Eurabia, Norwegian affairs, leftist stupidity, global politics and whatever else interests me." I strongly believe that the majority of this text, if not all of it, is complete BS.

Seconded. Touting something that includes the words "[insert political side] stupidity" in the titly as a serious news source seems wildly out of place, the "whatever else interests me" bit aside.

Oh my.. I guess Islam isn't a religion of peace (/sarcasm)

Sounds like stupid people/kids had too much of the drink and are throwing rocks.

Then is this complete BS? http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024117.ece

I think not.

Strawman!

Cromotar was talking about the political blog that claimed to be about "leftist stupidity", not about a news site named Aftenposten.

That said, news sources are manifold. Merely by quoting certain selected articles, it is possible to be more biased than any serious news site.

Then is this complete BS? http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024117.ece

I think not.

No, just overblown. Runar Søgaard is widely known in Sweden as our own Christian fundamentalist loon. The remarks he made about Mohammed were made on a whim in a sermon that he didn't realize was being recorded. He later apologized for the remark on several occasions. The death threats he received were from equally fundamentalist Muslim loons; representatives for the Swedish Muslim church have accepted his apology.

No, just overblown. Runar Søgaard is widely known in Sweden as our own Christian fundamentalist loon. The remarks he made about Mohammed were made on a whim in a sermon that he didn't realize was being recorded. He later apologized for the remark on several occasions. The death threats he received were from equally fundamentalist Muslim loons; representatives for the Swedish Muslim church have accepted his apology.

So where do the other people on this forum get off saying that fundamentalist loons are an exclusively American phenomenon?

Are there others like Runar in other European countries?

I, for one, see Whispering Legs' point. And as liberal tenets have proven unable to 100% wipe out religious tension/violence, I hereby abandon my liberalism and baptize myself in the rightist doctrine of neverending holy war and the advancement of the obvious point that Islam is evil.

Then is this complete BS? http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024117.ece

I think not.
It was all over the news. It was actually funny in a sad way when he said something like "Muhammed was a pedophile [shocked silence from the crowd] ... really, he was, really" then went on to appologise in the press, claiming it wasn't his intent to isult anyones beliefs.

I, for one, see Whispering Legs' point. And as liberal tenets have proven unable to 100% wipe out religious tension/violence, I hereby abandon my liberalism and baptize myself in the rightist doctrine of neverending holy war and the advancement of the obvious point that Islam is evil.

No, my point is this:

Too many people on this forum post the idea that religious extremism is a solely American problem, and never occurs in enlightened and intelligent Europe.

I see it's still occurring - and it's not a solely American problem.

So where do the other people on this forum get off saying that fundamentalist loons are an exclusively American phenomenon?

Are there others like Runar in other European countries?

All countries have fundamentalists, it's just that in some countries, like the US, they are more numerous and/or audible than normal.

claiming it wasn't his intent to insult anyones beliefs.

Hah. Coward. Fred Phelps 0wNzz JoO

It was all over the news. It was actually funny in a sad way when he said something like "Muhammed was a pedophile [shocked silence from the crowd] ... really, he was, really" then went on to appologise in the press, claiming it wasn't his intent to isult anyones beliefs.

Haha. I saw the program where he apologized. It was really fun to watch him squirm for once... ;)

Haha. I saw the program where he apologized. It was really fun to watch him squirm for once... ;)
How can he be a celebrity if fundamentalists are rare?

How can he be a celebrity if fundamentalists are rare?
He's the only one they have. :D

How can he be a celebrity if fundamentalists are rare?

He's a celebrity because fundamentalists are rare. Oh, and he was married to Carola, who is one of Sweden's most famous musical artists.

No, my point is this:

Too many people on this forum post the idea that religious extremism is a solely American problem, and never occurs in enlightened and intelligent Europe.

I see it's still occurring - and it's not a solely American problem.

Then you should have no problem providing multiple examples in the forum wear people have made this claim, using words like "solely" or "exclusively" (and its synonyms) an American problem, since it's so epidemic.

It's a classic political debate trick - present the other side of the political not as they are, but with crude, hyperbolic caricatures of their beliefs, and then pillory them when they don't live up to the caricature.

He's a celebrity because fundamentalists are rare. Oh, and he was married to Carola, who is one of Sweden's most famous musical artists.
Oh, the same guy? Here I was thinking I was wrong in my earlier statment, that I found another one. It turns out they were the same. ;)

Then you should have no problem providing multiple examples in the forum wear people have made this claim, using words like "solely" or "exclusively" (and its synonyms) an American problem, since it's so epidemic.

It's a classic political debate trick - present the other side of the political not as they are, but with crude, hyperbolic caricatures of their beliefs, and then pillory them when they don't live up to the caricature.

Read through the "What's Wrong with the USA?" thread.

There isn't a single thread on this forum that says, "Fundamentalist Christians are a problem in Europe!"

Maybe you should start one, just for balance.

Ok.. I just saw this thread.. havent read anything.. but I still write my oppinion.

In sweden we have Goran Persson as our leader. He leads the socialists wich one's I hate. they are againste verything and put money on wront things.. they cancelled a school near me and took away most of our school money 2 the usage of something else. The parlament get critiseised for everything and I think we're going 2 have a public vote soon.. we dont want to live with this.. All the money, we're they? we dont c them.. we just notice that everything is going worse.. and Now we had all those scandals with our monopoly buyin alcohol.. guess what? most of the money went 2 pay its chief.. and same thing with all the'se pyramid games we have,... money goes 2 them and nothing 2 the peoaple.. So I'm pissed of.. I dont want 2 live in Sweden anymore!

Read through the "What's Wrong with the USA?" thread.

There isn't a single thread on this forum that says, "Fundamentalist Christians are a problem in Europe!"

Maybe you should start one, just for balance.

Except for the fact that fundamentalist Christians aren't a problem in (most of) Europe.

No, my point is this:

Too many people on this forum post the idea that religious extremism is a solely American problem, and never occurs in enlightened and intelligent Europe.

I see it's still occurring - and it's not a solely American problem.

we all have fundamentalists, but out of the developed countries there are few that have fundamentalists actually threatening the system.

Exceptions would be Jean-Marie Le-Pen getting to the final round in the french election, a homosexual hating catholic being put forward as equal rights minister by Italy and creationists in the USA

Ok.. I just saw this thread.. havent read anything.. but I still write my oppinion.

In sweden we have Goran Persson as our leader. He leads the socialists wich one's I hate. they are againste verything and put money on wront things.. they cancelled a school near me and took away most of our school money 2 the usage of something else. The parlament get critiseised for everything and I think we're going 2 have a public vote soon.. we dont want to live with this.. All the money, we're they? we dont c them.. we just notice that everything is going worse.. and Now we had all those scandals with our monopoly buyin alcohol.. guess what? most of the money went 2 pay its chief.. and same thing with all the'se pyramid games we have,... money goes 2 them and nothing 2 the peoaple.. So I'm pissed of.. I dont want 2 live in Sweden anymore!

Simmer down eh? And at least try to write coherently. Persson and his Party seem to be on the way out anyway, so hopefully there will be some improvements in the next few years.

Simmer down eh? And at least try to write coherently. Persson and his Party seem to be on the way out anyway, so hopefully there will be some improvements in the next few years.


coherently?


I dunno what that mean.. and sry if the text dont have a red line.. I'm stressed and pissed of at the same time.. and yeah.. the Party is out. I'll never vote on them again.

coherently?


I dunno what that mean.. and sry if the text dont have a red line.. I'm stressed and pissed of at the same time.. and yeah.. the Party is out. I'll never vote on them again.

Coherently = Sammanhängande, tydligt.

Again...? I hope that doesn't mean you've voted for them before. Oh well. Next election go for the blue side!

Anyone remember the Gothenburg riots in 2001?

Good times ;)

Hey, I thought everyone in Europe was blissfully happy, and everyone got along with Muslims with no problems whatsoever on either side.

Then I read this, at The Fjordman:

Rock throwing and attacks against buses and trains are increasing problems in some suburbs. In Malmö the bus lines in the area of Rosengård have been cancelled. In Stockholm, the authorities went even further and stopped both the bus traffic in the Tensta suburb and the train to Nynäshamn. Head of the bus company in the city of Uppsala, Claes-Göran Alm, is considering doing the same, as the harassment is costing too much money and is putting their employees at risk. Benny Persson is selling window glass in the areas south of Stockholm. According to him, they sometimes have to jump into the car and leave the spot, as they are met with the harassment that some of the bus companies in the suburbs are experiencing: Stone throwing and threats. The same thing is reported from Gothenburg, Sweden’s second largest city. The company Hemglass are now attempting to run double crews in their cars to face the problems, but they still have had to completely abandon an area outside Södertälje. If you get stuck in an elevator outside Stockholm, you risk staying there for a long time. The repair personnel now demand security guards present when they arrive, since several of their employees have been physically attacked. The most serious problem, however, is the delay of ambulances and the fire department. According to the Emergency Central, attacks against them have become commonplace in the cities. Every Saturday, at least five to ten times emergency personnel are asking for police escort to be able to do their job.


I remember the rock throwing on the buses since it happened not far away from where I live (like 2-3 kilometres away). I don't know wether they were muslim or not (and I couldn't care less) but it was the talk of the month at the time.

So basically I have never experienced anything of what it says in the article, since I live in a small and quite peacefull community, only read and heard about it.

I wonder who decided that Gothenburg is an important enough city to be translated into another language, but Stockholm isn't. Goths, perhaps? Or Batman fans?
I think it's because foreigners can't handle any of the syllables of the word Göteborg, yet they can just about manage Stockholm's easier couple... then again, it could be to do with Batman...

Ok.. I just saw this thread.. havent read anything.. but I still write my oppinion.

In sweden we have Goran Persson as our leader. He leads the socialists wich one's I hate. they are againste verything and put money on wront things.. they cancelled a school near me and took away most of our school money 2 the usage of something else. The parlament get critiseised for everything and I think we're going 2 have a public vote soon.. we dont want to live with this.. All the money, we're they? we dont c them.. we just notice that everything is going worse.. and Now we had all those scandals with our monopoly buyin alcohol.. guess what? most of the money went 2 pay its chief.. and same thing with all the'se pyramid games we have,... money goes 2 them and nothing 2 the peoaple.. So I'm pissed of.. I dont want 2 live in Sweden anymore!

Det går inte att förstå vad du skrivit där. Det är bara rappakalja.

Hey, I thought everyone in Europe was blissfully happy, and everyone got along with Muslims with no problems whatsoever on either side.

Then I read this, at The Fjordman:

Rock throwing and attacks against buses and trains are increasing problems in some suburbs. In Malmö the bus lines in the area of Rosengård have been cancelled. In Stockholm, the authorities went even further and stopped both the bus traffic in the Tensta suburb and the train to Nynäshamn. Head of the bus company in the city of Uppsala, Claes-Göran Alm, is considering doing the same, as the harassment is costing too much money and is putting their employees at risk. Benny Persson is selling window glass in the areas south of Stockholm. According to him, they sometimes have to jump into the car and leave the spot, as they are met with the harassment that some of the bus companies in the suburbs are experiencing: Stone throwing and threats. The same thing is reported from Gothenburg, Sweden’s second largest city. The company Hemglass are now attempting to run double crews in their cars to face the problems, but they still have had to completely abandon an area outside Södertälje. If you get stuck in an elevator outside Stockholm, you risk staying there for a long time. The repair personnel now demand security guards present when they arrive, since several of their employees have been physically attacked. The most serious problem, however, is the delay of ambulances and the fire department. According to the Emergency Central, attacks against them have become commonplace in the cities. Every Saturday, at least five to ten times emergency personnel are asking for police escort to be able to do their job.

Unfortunately even here there are extremists. I would imagine because overall it is rarer, it gets greater media attention (in Swedish media and perhaps also in foreign media) when it does occur... I really don't know.

I hadn't heard of the Uppsala incidents though, I must admit...

All countries have fundamentalists, it's just that in some countries, like the US, they are more numerous and/or audible than normal.


"normal". Now they have a rating system. I love this. It will never end.

Anyone remember the Gothenburg riots in 2001?

Whoa. That made me realize we really are in the future. Talk about line from a science fiction novel.

He's a celebrity because fundamentalists are rare. Oh, and he was married to Carola, who is one of Sweden's most famous musical artists.

Runar isn't even really a fundamentalist. He's just a loon known for believing he can heal people by laying hands on them, who got famous because he married someone famous.

If you look at his beliefs they're not very fundamentalist at all. They're just loony, and there is a difference between the two.

What's wrong with Sweden?

Liberal politicians have eliminated barriers to immigration, and are now seeing a number of third world savages who think they have the right to kill to avenge an insult to their religion comming into the country. Sweden is commited to civil rights, equality, and multiculturalism, and now has to find a way to rapidly assimilate the savages into it's society without violating their rights.

What's wrong with Sweden?

I don't know but it seems that Swedish teenagers have too much free time.
(started reading newspapers and this was the first article I saw)

It is in Swedish but at least WL should be able to read it
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story/0,2789,643236,00.html

(same in Finnish http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/tuoreet/artikkeli/1101979446583 )

What's wrong with Sweden?

I don't know but it seems that Swedish teenagers have too much free time.
(started reading newspapers and this was the first article I saw)

It is in Swedish but at least WL should be able to read it
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story/0,2789,643236,00.html

(same in Finnish http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/tuoreet/artikkeli/1101979446583 )

Borgoa, what have you been up to? :P

Haha, its true though, we do have too much free time! ;) I mean, school starts at 10:30 and ends 11:35 (most days! :P)

What's wrong with Sweden?

I don't know but it seems that Swedish teenagers have too much free time.
(started reading newspapers and this was the first article I saw)

It is in Swedish but at least WL should be able to read it
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story/0,2789,643236,00.html

(same in Finnish http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/tuoreet/artikkeli/1101979446583 )

Swedish 16 year-old hacker! They have similar stories about the Swedish hacker here in the US.

Swedish 16 year-old hacker! They have similar stories about the Swedish hacker here in the US.

DVD Jon?

DVD Jon?
No, here the Swedish hacker is called Stakkato.

Borgoa, what have you been up to? :P

Haha, its true though, we do have too much free time! ;) I mean, school starts at 10:30 and ends 11:35 (most days! :P)

Well, you know, sometimes I get a bit bored and like to read Donald Rumsfeld's e-mail and launch a space-rocket if I have time... but they've got my age wrong by nearly half! Good to know I still look so youthful...

Here's a tv news report for WL to learn his spoken Swedish on this subject (click on the video link from the written report from SVT):
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=22620&a=387135