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Sorry, this has probably been done before, but I'm a new poster here and am interested to see this, as I've seen that there are many socialists in these forums.

I've kept the poll options as simple as humanly possible so theres not much room for discussion, and it can't be that hard to answer. If it is, answer closest to how you feel :P

In before the poll.

Me too!

Poll there now, sorry :)

Center left. Right in the middle of the center left.

Hey, I started a thread just like this!!! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414599 Well, okay, similar anyway...

w00t, far left. I'm a Bolshevik and proud! (note: Bolshevikism is NOT wanting to have a dictatorship and murder people, OK?)

(note: Bolshevikism is NOT wanting to have a dictatorship and murder people, OK?)

True, many people misinterprate Stalin's actions in the twentieth centruy as Bolshevism.

Myself it was hard this one. I'm a member of the Labour Party (supposedly centre-left), but I'm more of a socialist so put left down.

Depends on where you come from, Rokand. If you are european i am centre-left, if american i am down the extreme left, slighly right of Mao and Lenin. :rolleyes:

Where does a slight mix of mutualist and anarcho-communist go (yes, I know. I'm slightly confused)

Depends on where you come from, Rokand. If you are european i am centre-left, if american i am down the extreme left, slighly right of Mao and Lenin. :rolleyes:

Well this is a European poll. Funny to see how our Labour Party is near Communism towards the Yanks :P

Where does a slight mix of mutualist and anarcho-communist go (yes, I know. I'm slightly confused)

For Other I was thinking things like anarahists, totalitarians etc :)

w00t, far left. I'm a Bolshevik and proud! (note: Bolshevikism is NOT wanting to have a dictatorship and murder people, OK?)

Thats called stalinism.

(note: Bolshevikism is NOT wanting to have a dictatorship and murder people, OK?)

it isn't? could have fooled me.

and the revolutionary insurgent army of the ukraine.

and the sailors at kronstadt.

etc.

For Other I was thinking things like anarahists, totalitarians etc :)
0_o

I didn't notice that first time round.

Nice to see we're being represented :)

it isn't? could have fooled me.

and the revolutionary insurgent army of the ukraine.

and the sailors at kronstadt.

etc.

Silly boyo. Any fool knows that a vangard party that 'represents' the working class will never become a dictatorship if it is the only party. Unless, umm, a, like a, sociopath becomes leader.

pff.

That'll never happen. Crazy talk. The Anarchists were wrong.

A mixture of communism and fascism. Basically a Facsist-Corporate Police State with communist economic policies.

I am anticapitalistic. I am antiDemocratic (only worked under pericles anyway)
AntiRepublic/Monarchy/Con Mon/Anarchy.

Silly boyo. Any fool knows that a vangard party that 'represents' the working class will never become a dictatorship if it is the only party. Unless, umm, a, like a, sociopath becomes leader.

pff.

That'll never happen. Crazy talk. The Anarchists were wrong.

Karl Marx stated that after the revolution the proletariats would temporarily take over under an extreme tolitalarian rule followed gradually by a democratic like state and finally regresses into a governmentless political expression(Like italy and HRE until their reunification by Cavour and Bismark respectivly)

Sorry, this has probably been done before, but I'm a new poster here and am interested to see this, as I've seen that there are many socialists in these forums.

I've kept the poll options as simple as humanly possible so theres not much room for discussion, and it can't be that hard to answer. If it is, answer closest to how you feel :P

"don't go left or right, go forward!" that's the yopenyen fascists party motto here, heheh. i agree with them, so on that scale, i'm a complete centrist for left or right.

I'm Left, a believer in Very high Personal Freedoms but a regulated state run econemy.

Other - libertarianism's difficult to place on a left-right scale.

I'm Left, a believer in Very high Personal Freedoms but a regulated state run econemy.

Humans should have next to no freedoms since they are evil

A mixture of communism and fascism. Basically a Facsist-Corporate Police State with communist economic policies.

Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun. To be sure to be sure.

I am anticapitalistic. I am antiDemocratic (only worked under pericles anyway)
AntiRepublic/Monarchy/Con Mon/Anarchy.

Maybe I am biased with a Brit perspective. But isn't any country without a Monarchy a republic?

So to be anti both is a bit. Odd?

Karl Marx stated that after the revolution the proletariats would temporarily take over under an extreme tolitalarian rule followed gradually by a democratic like state and finally regresses into a governmentless political expression(Like italy and HRE until their reunification by Cavour and Bismark respectivly)
Marx was wrong though (imo).

Anyway, I was thinking of the Bolsheviks idea that a party representing the people was required to keep the revolution going until communism could be achieved though (could be wrong, not surprising given my current state of mind)

A mixture of communism and fascism. Basically a Facsist-Corporate Police State with communist economic policies.

I am anticapitalistic. I am antiDemocratic (only worked under pericles anyway)
AntiRepublic/Monarchy/Con Mon/Anarchy.

you mean totalitarian? that's a good thing then! come to yopenya, almost everyone here would support either a dictatorship or unlimited-power direct democracy. i'm considered centrist in yopenya since i don't care either way so long as the power of the government is unlimited.

A mixture of communism and fascism. Basically a Facsist-Corporate Police State with communist economic policies.

I am anticapitalistic. I am antiDemocratic (only worked under pericles anyway)
AntiRepublic/Monarchy/Con Mon/Anarchy.

You can't really have facism AND communism, they are totally completeley different.

However youc an have what you just descirbed, which is basically a Totalitarian Police State, a la "Nineteen Eighty-Four", by George Orwell.

points to sig

meh

Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun. To be sure to be sure.



Maybe I am biased with a Brit perspective. But isn't any country without a Monarchy a republic?

So to be anti both is a bit. Odd?

No. Monarchy you should know being a Brit, but a republic is when people get elected into office as representatives and discuss how to resolve issues like the Roman Republic until Julius Caesar came to power.

No. Monarchy you should know being a Brit, but a republic is when people get elected into office as representatives and discuss how to resolve issues like the Roman Republic until Julius Caesar came to power.
The People's Republic of North Korea etc?

Other - libertarianism's difficult to place on a left-right scale.You can vote that on my thread (see above post).

~Czardas, (Supreme) Ruler of the Universe

I am absolutely a Conservative but here is the nature of my conservatism....I am a historian and so I have to stand by the Constitution no matter what. That having been said, the 10th Amendment is without a doubt the most imortant of them.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Meaning simply that about 60% of what the Federal government is doing is not their job. The jobs of the Federal government have been defines by the powers of Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

That's it and just to make sure that people understood, the Founding Fathers threw in the 10th and we STILL don't get it.

You can't really have facism AND communism, they are totally completeley different.

However youc an have what you just descirbed, which is basically a Totalitarian Police State, a la "Nineteen Eighty-Four", by George Orwell.

No, they have amazing similarities. F is Fascist, C is Communist, B is both. They are about 90% similar

B:
State over individual
Totalitarian
Militaristic
Secret Police/Censorship
CCs
Individual counts for nothing
One Party
Tolerate no opposition
One leader
Cult of Personality
Ambitions of world conquest (for communists more of a revolution type thing)
Mutual antagonism
Anti-Capitalist
Anti-Religious (I am religious though so that could become and Issue later on)
Propaganda over truth
Messianic, provide a whole belief system
Use of modern tech to lie and kill

F:
State was everything
Intensely Nationalistic
Inequality is seen as natural
War is good, slavery for the losers

C:
Goal was no government
Goal is internationalist
Goal is to promote equality
goal is peace and Prosperity

B:
State over individual
Totalitarian
Militaristic
Secret Police/Censorship
CCs
Individual counts for nothing
One Party
Tolerate no opposition
One leader
Cult of Personality
Ambitions of world conquest (for communists more of a revolution type thing)
Mutual antagonism
Anti-Capitalist
Anti-Religious (I am religious though so that could become and Issue later on)
Propaganda over truth
Messianic, provide a whole belief system
Use of modern tech to lie and kill

that's the way to go!

Marx was wrong though (imo).

Anyway, I was thinking of the Bolsheviks idea that a party representing the people was required to keep the revolution going until communism could be achieved though (could be wrong, not surprising given my current state of mind)

Unknown wether marx was wrong yet

Second part, you are correct that they stay in power until communism fully emerges.

I'm very far-left. Just look at my Political Compass.

The People's Republic of North Korea etc?

Just because it calls itself a republic doesnt mean it is, My nation is a corparate police state but I could call it a republic or queendom, even though I am a male.

Just because it calls itself a republic doesnt mean it is, My nation is a corparate police state but I could call it a republic or queendom, even though I am a male.

This seems close to a no true scotsman. Though I agree that nation names are largely cosmetic. But there have been many republics, some democratic, some totalitarian. The only thing the held in common was the lack of a monarchy.

Though in your nations case, calling a corporate police-state either a monarchy or queendom wouldn't be contradictory (given that the depth for the governments aren't very large, more guidlines than hard and fast rules)

B:
State over individual
Totalitarian
Militaristic
Secret Police/Censorship
CCs
Individual counts for nothing
One Party
Tolerate no opposition
One leader
Cult of Personality
Ambitions of world conquest (for communists more of a revolution type thing)
Mutual antagonism
Anti-Capitalist
Anti-Religious (I am religious though so that could become and Issue later on)
Propaganda over truth
Messianic, provide a whole belief system
Use of modern tech to lie and kill

F:
State was everything
Intensely Nationalistic
Inequality is seen as natural
War is good, slavery for the losers

C:
Goal was no government
Goal is internationalist
Goal is to promote equality
goal is peace and Prosperity

These are a few notes taken from my university days at Cambridge. Judging by the level of intellect on these boards, most should be able to see the differences.

Communism:

scientific socialism
fundamentalism
utopianism
revoluition
abolish capitalism
common ownership
classless society
absoltue equality
state collectivism
central planning
vanguard party
dictatorship of the proleteriat
people's state

Fascism:

state worship
chauvinist nationalism
voluntarims
national greatness
organic unity
pragmatic anti - Semitism
futurism/modernism
coporatism
colonial expansion

Many differences.

I'm an independent.

I digest and react some issues in a liberal/left manner, and on others I am conservative/right.

LEFT:
-- Freedom OF and FROM religion + separation of Church & State
-- Reproductive rights (contraception, abortion but not as birth control)
-- No corporate welfare (incorporating in the Caribbean to avoid taxes, etc.)
-- Pro-Environment + alternative energy research and infrastructure
-- National basic health care
-- Privacy and civil rights for all
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns well-regulated)
-- "Marriage" as a legal term discarded, civil unions for all
-- Children are people, not property

RIGHT:
-- Capital punishment
-- Corporal punishment
-- Mandatory military service (two year minimum)
-- Social Security / Welfare time limits without extensions, based on
contributions
-- Simplified income tax code
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns for those who want them and qualify)

That's all I can think of now -- it's loud where I'm typing and hard to think. If you have anything you want to test my independence on, feel free to mention an issue and I'll tell you where I am.

I'm an independent.

I digest and react some issues in a liberal/left manner, and on others I am conservative/right.

LEFT:
-- Freedom OF and FROM religion + separation of Church & State
-- Reproductive rights (contraception, abortion but not as birth control)
-- No corporate welfare (incorporating in the Caribbean to avoid taxes, etc.)
-- Pro-Environment + alternative energy research and infrastructure
-- National basic health care
-- Privacy and civil rights for all
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns well-regulated)
-- "Marriage" as a legal term discarded, civil unions for all
-- Children are people, not property

RIGHT:
-- Capital punishment
-- Corporal punishment
-- Mandatory military service (two year minimum)
-- Social Security / Welfare time limits without extensions, based on
contributions
-- Simplified income tax code
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns for those who want them and qualify)

That's all I can think of now -- it's loud where I'm typing and hard to think. If you have anything you want to test my independence on, feel free to mention an issue and I'll tell you where I am.

I'm an independent.

I digest and react some issues in a liberal/left manner, and on others I am conservative/right.

LEFT:
-- Freedom OF and FROM religion + separation of Church & State
-- Reproductive rights (contraception, abortion but not as birth control)
-- No corporate welfare (incorporating in the Caribbean to avoid taxes, etc.)
-- Pro-Environment + alternative energy research and infrastructure
-- National basic health care
-- Privacy and civil rights for all
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns well-regulated)
-- "Marriage" as a legal term discarded, civil unions for all
-- Children are people, not property

RIGHT:
-- Capital punishment
-- Corporal punishment
-- Mandatory military service (two year minimum)
-- Social Security / Welfare time limits without extensions, based on
contributions
-- Simplified income tax code
-- 2nd Amendment literalist (guns for those who want them and qualify)

That's all I can think of now -- it's loud where I'm typing and hard to think. If you have anything you want to test my independence on, feel free to mention an issue and I'll tell you where I am.

Sorry, this has probably been done before, but I'm a new poster here and am interested to see this, as I've seen that there are many socialists in these forums.

I've kept the poll options as simple as humanly possible so theres not much room for discussion, and it can't be that hard to answer. If it is, answer closest to how you feel
Define left and right.

LEFT:
-- No corporate welfare (incorporating in the Caribbean to avoid taxes, etc.)

Wrong! The people most against corporate welfare are the hardcore über-capitalists.

Sorry, this has probably been done before, but I'm a new poster here and am interested to see this, as I've seen that there are many socialists in these forums.

I've kept the poll options as simple as humanly possible so theres not much room for discussion, and it can't be that hard to answer. If it is, answer closest to how you feel :P
socialist here:)

communist with technocratic, democratic, utopian crazy ideas *evil laugh*

a am anti-revolution though

Seriously, I no longer know where I am economically. All I know is that I'm very socially libertarian.

I voted other because the poll is too bloody simplified and uses the highly inaccurate left-right scale.

I describe myself as a libertarian and capiatlist.
Neo, capitalism is your friend. ;)

Wrong! The people most against corporate welfare are the hardcore über-capitalists.
Damn right I am.