NationStates Jolt Archive

i'm always fascinated by those politcal spectrum charts and thingies, and i've noticed a few things they're missing or that's good and bad with them, so i made my own. It's kind of based on the political compass and nolan's chart, but it has two extra dimensions, how much power the government has, and how centralized the government is. power would be how limited the government is, like how in the united states there is the checks and balances and how in yopenya the only thing that limits the state's power is the constitution. centralization is two things: how much of the population is included in the governmental issues and how small/many divisions of the central government there are. i mean divisions like how there may be states with there own government, or towns with their own government, all the way down to anarchy, where it is divided down to the people, the people do what they decide.
it won't let me show a picture, so i'll just tell you where you are on it possibly?

to be graded on the chart you state how you feel on the following statements(the statements are biased, easier for you to show you're opinion about it i'd think)
1. Progress precedes the individual.
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion.
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country.
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people.
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it.
9. Many people deserve to die.
10. All humans are equal.

it takes a while to grade it, also, so don't expect an instant responce please.
if you can think of good questions to add tell me and i'll add them if i can see how they'd be used to determine they're stances.

no, i ment for people to answer by saying what their feelings on the issue are, i'll give you an example;

this question is supposed to ask how one feels about social darwinism.
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.

businesses shouldn't be allowed to conduct how they wish, cause there will be some repeating producing the same items, and there will be overproduction of some products and not enough of others. also, by the time that the buisnesses beggin producing the amount needed, the populations needs will have changed.

no, i ment for people to answer by saying what their feelings on the issue are, i'll give you an example;

this question is supposed to ask how one feels about social darwinism.
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.

businesses shouldn't be allowed to conduct how they wish, cause there will be some repeating producing the same items, and there will be overproduction of some products and not enough of others. also, by the time that the buisnesses beggin producing the amount needed, the populations needs will have changed.
lol oh well. too sleepy to do that now... i'll edit my post as to not confuse others and do it tomorrow ;)

surely quantitative answers will be easier to analyse though?

I'll use the political compass denominations
Strongly Agree
Agree
Disagree
Strongly Disagree

(I've also included comments in brackets)

1. Progress proceeds the individual. Disagree (progress and individual rights often go hand-in-hand)

2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. Disagree

3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. Strongly Agree

4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. Strongly Disagree (that's putting a lot of faith into the effectiveness of government)

5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. Agree (I think some kind of protectionism may be necessary to keep jobs in the country)

6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. Strongly Agree

7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefore will already be prepared when it does happen. Strongly Disagree

8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. Strongly Agree (ok, except for duelling to the death)

9. Many people deserve to die. Disagree

10. All humans are equal. Strongly Agree

swimmingpool-
0% is absolutly no government at all, and 100% is entire control over anything-nothing is ever at 100% unless every citizen had the same brain as eachother and knew everything that went on with everyone else and was universally commanded, but that's very unlikely, and 0% doesn't happen as it is very unlikely that something wouldn't try in any way to control something else or atleast affect it.

10% government control over society
35% government control over economy
40% government centralization(this's about where a government divided into provinces with a parliment or republic system in each province would be centralization wise)
22.5% power of government

i'd say you're libertarian.
but i'm also likely to be biased cause i think everyone wants too much freedoms.

1. Disagree
2. Strongly Disagree
3. Strongly Agree
4. Strongly Disagree
5. Strongly Agree
6. Strongly Agree
7. Strongly Disagree
8. Strongly Agree
9. Disagree
10.Strongly Agree
You could have been more specific about number 10.

1. Progress proceeds the individual.

Is it just me* or does that make no sense as a sentence?







* it could well be.

swimmingpool-
0% is absolutly no government at all, and 100% is entire control over anything-nothing is ever at 100% unless every citizen had the same brain as eachother and knew everything that went on with everyone else and was universally commanded, but that's very unlikely, and 0% doesn't happen as it is very unlikely that something wouldn't try in any way to control something else or atleast affect it.

10% government control over society
35% government control over economy
40% government centralization (this's about where a government divided into provinces with a parliment or republic system in each province would be centralization wise)
22.5% power of government

i'd say you're libertarian.
but i'm also likely to be biased cause i think everyone wants too much freedoms.
How did you quantify this into percentages?

How did you arrive at 40% for government centralization? I consider myself to be quite anti-centralization.

1. Strongly Disagree
2. Strongly Disagree
3. Strongly Disagree
4. Strongly Disagree
5. Strongly Disagree
6. Strongly Agree
7. Strongly Agree
8. Strongly Agree
9. Strongly Disagree
10. Strongly Agree

How did you quantify this into percentages?

How did you arrive at 40% for government centralization? I consider myself to be quite anti-centralization.
i assigned a value for each of the answers on each of the questions so there is enough questions to be at 100% or 0% and the questions were how much you varied from 50%, i added them together at the end and got that.

well, by you're responces, it may have been 30% though, cause i might have accentally put a + mark instead of a - on one of the answers.

1. Strongly Disagree
2. Strongly Disagree
3. Disagree
4. Strongly Disagree
5. Strongly Disagree
6. Strongly Agree
7. Disagree
8. Strongly Agree
9. Strongly Disagree
10. Strongly Agree

Could someone rephrase question 1 in a form that I understand?

Could someone rephrase question 1 in a form that I understand?

It's asking you if a nation's progress (in general) is more important than human rights.

It's asking you if a nation's progress (in general) is more important than human rights.

Ah - Progress precedes the individual rather than Progress proceeds the individual?

You could have been more specific about number 10.
number 10 can make you go either way based on your other responses

power-20%
centralization-27.5%
social-17.5%
economy-15%

this is the amount of controll the government has over those, not how much freedoms are in each of them.

Ah - Progress precedes the individual rather than Progress proceeds the individual?

Yep. He just got the spelling wrong :p.

Jjuulliiaann

power-30%
centralization-22.5%
social-12.5%
economy-85%

Yep. He just got the spelling wrong :p.

I don't like making these assumptions: particularly when I am being apparently asked to answer one question, but am actually answering a completely different one.

I don't like making these assumptions: particularly when I am being apparently asked to answer one question, but am actually answering a completely different one.

I understand completely.

Potaria

power-30%
centralization-12.5%
social-2.5% (wow that's low government control)
economy-52.5%

why do the numbers seem to be getting lower for some reason? i haven't changed the proscess

Potaria

power-30%
centralization-12.5%
social-2.5% (wow that's low government control)
economy-52.5%

why do the numbers seem to be getting lower for some reason? i haven't changed the proscess

Que?

Yep. He just got the spelling wrong :p.

oops, sorry. what did it mean when i had it spelt wronge then? i'll fix it now.

1. Progress precedes the individual.Disagree
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion.Agree. It would take forever, and let's face, some people aren't fit to make decisions for their country.
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.Agree.
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. Disagree.
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.Agree.
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. Agree.
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.Disagree.
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. Disagree. Not in public, at least.
9. Many people deserve to die. Disagree. There's a few out there, yeah, but only a handful. (Serial killers and the like)
10. All humans are equal. Strongly Agree.

Haloman

power-40%
centralization-50%
social-40%
economy-30%

centrist

1. Progress proceeds the individual. Disagree
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. Agree

3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. Agree
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. Disagree
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. Agree
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. Strongly Agree
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefore will already be prepared when it does happen. Strongly Agree
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. Strongly Agree
9. Many people deserve to die. Agree
10. All humans are equal. Strongly Agree

Ok here we go. But remember that these are in the most general sense of the terms. There are always certain situations that will change some of these. i.e. the needs of the many...yada yada


1. Progress precedes the individual. DISAGREE
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. DISAGREE (Even if getting everyones opinion is a logistical nightmare, plus you can't expect everyone to be knowledgeable on the topic to make a educated answer.)
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. AGREE
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. DISAGREE (And these flaws are determined by WHO?)
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. DISAGREE (This is a touchy one. If all things were equal i.e. Tarifs, taxes, etc, then I would agree with it, but they are not.)
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. AGREE (But I would ask you to define HARM)
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen. DISAGREE
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. DISAGREE (Society dictates the laws that we live buy. Lets face the facts most members of the KKK are right minded...well in general terms anyway.)
9. Many people deserve to die. DISAGREE
10. All humans are equal. AGREE

Haloman

power-40%
centralization-50%
social-40%
economy-30%

centrist

Yeah. About what I expected.

1. Progress precedes the individual. disagree

2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. neutral

3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.disagree

4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country.agree

5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.strongly disagree

6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people.agree, everyone should have rights, even gay people (amazing how people say that yet still think "Being gay should be illegal"

7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.disagree

8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it.agree

9. Many people deserve to die.strongly disagree

10. All humans are equal.VERY strongly agree

1. Progress precedes the individual.
Disagree, progress proceeds from the individual to the group.


2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion.
Agree qualified. Fewer people can, not necessarily will.


3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.
Agree.


4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country.
Agree, qualified. See number 2 above.


5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.
Agree. Kinda loose phrasing there with shame, but I feel yes it ould qualify as a shame others may however have a different concept of what consittutes a shame.


6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people.
Agree, qualified. If harm to others includes harm to others property I agree, if it only applies in cases of physical harms to other's persons I disagree. Too much of an old school capitalist here I guess.


7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.
Disagree. I do not believe that a properly constued government can reasonably be prepared for future events, if it does it cannot do so with any efficency. I feel that a properly construed government should be responsive to the will of the people (as a great mass), yet the nature of "the people" is such that planning for future contigencies will inevitably be inefficent and based upon the latest fad to attract the attention of "the people". While accept a certain ammount of government control over buisness for this purpose, it's inefficency means that I cannot accept complete control.


8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it.
Absolutely not. If there were a caveat about it only applying to themselves I might be inclined to agree. However I also cannot see converting my "should be allowed" into "must be allowed" by any permiting agent.


9. Many people deserve to die.
Agree. In fact I believe all people deserve to die. I cannot imagine anyone who is so horrible as to be deprived of an end to existance.


10. All humans are equal.
Disagree. Humans are inheriently unequal, however no one human is worth more as a human than any other.

1.Strongly Agree
Comments:Progress for a stronger nation should always come first.

2.Strongly Agree
Comments:One smart person is better then a hundred idoits.

3.Strongly Disagree
Comments:People should have no say in what businesses produce. Only the businesses and the government should control what they produce.

4.Strongly Agree
Comments:The government should always have unlimited Power.

5.Strongly Agree
Comments:When businesses make more money, more money will go to the government, thus making our nation stronger. But I would only allow businesses to manufacture in other countries if they have enough military power to protect each building. Since I hate all other countries.

6.Strongly Disagree
Comments:As I said earlier, the government should always have unlimited power.

7.Strongly Agree
Comments:The government should always have unlimited power to take control of anything when needed.

8.Strongly Disagree
Comments:Most people are idoits, and can be easy brainwashed into thinking something is "right".

9.Strongly Agree
Comments:As I said before, most people are idoits. The bigger the population, the more stupid the people become.

10.Strongly Disagree
Comments:No human is ever equal to another human. My personal opinion is that it would be foolish even to consider that another human is equal to me just because he/she happens to be the same species as me. Is Osama equal to me because he's human, NO. Would Hitler be equal to me because he's human, NO. The foolish and the weak will never be equal to me. No one is equal to me.

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

Total Submission

power-27.5%
centralization-45%
social-20%
economy-60%

Vanhalenburgh

power-25%
centralization-40%
social-35%
economy-35%

because you only answered agree or dissagree i might have given you a more centrist score than you really are, sorry.

Leliopolis

power-52.5%
centralization-52.5%
social-20%
economy-72.5%

1. Progress precedes the individual. Disagree. Society tends to just follow along with people want particularly in a democracy. In more authoritarian systems then the state can drive 'progress,' but is it actually progress until the people have caught up with it? Probably not, in which case they go hand in hand.

2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. Agree. That's why we have democracies as we do, rather than making all decisions by referendum. We elect people to make decisions without the need to consult everyone else, and it works much better. That is in no way an endorsement of dictatorship, benign or otherwise.

3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. Agree. This more or less works pretty well. The only rather large fly in the ointmentis that people can't always afford what is needed, in which case business won't make it.

4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. Strongly disagree. Flaws can never be eradicated, either by more government or by less government.

5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. Eh? I'm not sure whether the statement is for or against outsourcing, if that's what it's talking about. I favour outsourcing anyway.

6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. Strongly agree. We should be free to make our own mistakes.

7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen. Strongly disagree. Load of nonsense. It would actually create lots of problems, and governments are never prepared, somehow.

8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. Eh?. I'm not quite sure how wide this is. It seems quite philosophical. If they agree to murder, then no they shouldn't be allowed to, but then are they right-minded? Or if, by definition, right-minded means that they are doing a good thing, then you are asking if people should be allowed to do good things, to which the answer is obviously yes. But who decides who is right-minded (and that's where the political part lies, and the answer to this question can't cover it).

9. Many people deserve to die. Strongly Disagree. No one deserves to die.

10. All humans are equal. Agree. Equal in many ways. But not identical in any way. It depends on whether you're talking about in rights or in abilities actually. Yes to the former, no to the latter.


Anyway, sorry I didn't quite answer a couple, but I hop I've given enough detail in my replies for you to put in the answer that I meant, if you catch my drift.

1. Progress precedes the individual.

Agree

Depends on the definition of progress, here. If we're talking about economic progress however, the needs and progress of a community as a whole are generally greater than those of individual members. Of course, if an individual is dying of a curable disease, and the community can only afford either a public TV or to cure the individual, the individual should come first there. There are areas where the community must make sacrifices for individuals, however individuals should never exploit the community.

2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion.

Strongly Disagree

Government is everyone's business, and in the ideal society, everyone is a politician.

3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.

Strongly Disagree

Sometimes. A farmer will grow more crops if he is able to and there is a market for them. This is a simple tenent of capitalist economics. However, businesses are always after profit, of course. To explain my objection, what we need is a cure for cancer. But businesses can get more profit from selling off drugs that help the symptoms, and are interested in keeping a profit there. Not all businesspeople are so heartless, but this simple reality can be transposed to many of the problems facing modern society, another key example being the environment. This is a flaw of capitalism.

4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country.

Strongly Disagree

Unlimited government powers are a flaw. :p

5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.

Strongly Disagree

The outsourcing of jobs hurts domestic workers, and only allows companies to exploit foreign workers to an even greater degree, all in the name of profit. The economy at home may grow, but the quality of life for many newly jobless workers will fall drastically.

6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people.

Strongly Agree

Enough said.

7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.

Disagee

Not really. A natural disaster will surprise a centrally planned economy and a free market economy equally. I don't really understand what you mean by the question.

8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it.

Strongly Agree

As long as it hurts nobody else.

9. Many people deserve to die.

Strongly Disagree

No. I don't believe that even mass-murderers should be executed. We can't lower ourselves to their level, as difficult as it may be.

10. All humans are equal.

Strongly Agree

Definitely!

Squi

power-52.5%
centralization-62.5%
social-70%
economy-25%

Imperial Dark Rome

power-87.5%
centralization-85%
social-90%
economy-27.5%

That is in no way an endorsement of dictatorship, benign or otherwise.
awww...

Westmorlandia

power-25%
centralization-50%
social-30%
economy-17.5%

Kanabia
power-25%
centralization-37.5%
social-12.5%
economy-22.5%

Kanabia
power-25%
centralization-37.5%
social-12.5%
economy-22.5%

By that definition, i'm a classic liberal capitalist.

Heh, not so.

By that definition, i'm a classic liberal capitalist.

Heh, not so.

ok, sorry, i'm a bit biased on these, not on purpose, i just seem to think everyone wants way to many freedoms.

ok, sorry, i'm a bit biased on these, not on purpose, i just seem to think everyone wants way to many freedoms.

It's really a problem with all tests like this. They're never accurate. Doesn't matter though, I already know where I stand :p

1. Progress precedes the individual. agree
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. strongly disagree
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. disagree
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. strongly disagree
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. agree
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. strongly agree
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen. strongly disagree
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. strongly agree
9. Many people deserve to die. strongly disagree
10. All humans are equal. strongly agree

What a marvelous idea. I was wondering if you needed any assistance with the calculation of variables. I think a 5 or 7 point Likert scale would be sweet as, and rather easy to draw up in an EXCEL database. Then you could do all correlations and stuff with the results.

I'm eager to see how you do it! Good luck!

1. Progress precedes the individual. Disagree
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion. Disagree
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish. Disagree
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country. Strongly Disagree
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places. Agree
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people. Strongly Agree
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefore will already be prepared when it does happen. Disagree
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it. Disagree
9. Many people deserve to die. Strongly Disagree
10. All humans are equal. Strongly Agree

1. Progress precedes the individual.
2. Fewer people can better decide for the whole country than taking the time to get everyone’s opinion.
3. People will naturally make businesses produce what is needed if the businesses are allowed to conduct how they wish.
4. If governmental powers aren’t limited, the governmental body can effectively clear out any flaws in the country.
5. It would be a shame if the government forced businesses to manufacture within the country, even if the economy would grow if they could manufacture in other places.
6. The government has no right to interfere with what people do in their own homes, unless it might harm other people.
7. By having complete control of business, the government can plan for something that may, and therefor will already be prepared when it does happen.
8. If two right-minded people agree to do anything, they should be allowed to do it.
9. Many people deserve to die.
10. All humans are equal.

1. It depends on the circumstances. Often, progress that places society over people is regress rather than progress. I'd be wary of that.

2. I agree to a degree. Those fewer people must be chosen by the people as a whole.

3. Sure, probably true - but that doesn't mean those businesses will do bad things if n ot limited.

4. I think government should have expansive power, but unlimited power makes me very nervous.

5. Agree.

6. Absolutely, unequivocally agre. Bravo.

7. Don't particularly agree. Government should control aspects of business for other reasons.

8. Usually, unless what they agree to do could hurt other people or the nation as a whole.

9. :mp5:

10. Yes.