NationStates Jolt Archive

Do you think that the joining of the "Republik of Bulgaria" in the European Union is good for us all. Do you consider it like a Progress for the europeans or something else ...When answering please say why yes or why not...

I think that enlargement of any sort needs to put on hold for at least a decade or two. The EU needs to get to grips fully with the 10 new members it picked up a year ago and then sort out the sluggish growth rate of the countries in the Eurozone. Enlargement, whilst meant well, will ultimately damage the EU if it continues at the rate it currently is going.

I think that enlargement of any sort needs to put on hold for at least a decade or two. The EU needs to get to grips fully with the 10 new members it picked up a year ago and then sort out the sluggish growth rate of the countries in the Eurozone. Enlargement, whilst meant well, will ultimately damage the EU if it continues at the rate it currently is going.
Why?

I would say that the EU has a lot of things to do right now. A good number of the powerhouses have economic troubles (just look at the unemployment figures in East Germany), and the large numbers of new countries pose problems as well. Some of these don't have legal frameworks on par with the older members (see for example the Polish Trucks that go through Germany in a condition that can hardly be called road worthy), and the whole thing with multiculturalism (In some German cities a third of the population is Turkish, and that has all kinds of implications for how things are done). Add to that the hardly constructive actions by Germany and France (ie Stability Pact, the French and the Constitution) and you have your work cut out.
Rather than having other countries become anti-EU though, I would like to see them included. It would have to be on an individual basis (not like "If Romania joins then Bulgaria must, too" and vice versa). If you're ready, you are; if you aren't, you aren't.
And I would say that the benefits Bulgaria would get from joining would be higher the more modernised and reformed the system works there. Now I don't know anything about how things are done in Bulgaria specifically, but if the country can join as full, equal member that has something to offer, it would be better for all concerned than if the EU has to help with huge reforms first. And that goes for all possible new additions.

What I'd like to see now within the European union is more elaborate integration. The problem right now seems to be that all the members in the European Parliament are looking for national, not pan-European benefits. Internal conflict is a threat to the entity, which is why I'd suggest the EU takes an break from enlarging and instead concentrates on the unification of Europe.

The 'unification of Europe'? My God, LISTEN TO YOURSELVES! Do you have any idea of what the 'unification of Europe' means? What it meant not that many years ago? It utterly dismays me that so many people cant look at Nazism, at Communism, and learn the lessons. When people cannot elect or dismiss the people who make the laws which govern them, you have dictatorship. Pure and simple. Now there may be some who believe in (theoretically) benevolent dictatorship as a valid form of governent, but I dont. And shame on anyone who does.

The 'unification of Europe'? My God, LISTEN TO YOURSELVES! Do you have any idea of what the 'unification of Europe' means? What it meant not that many years ago? It utterly dismays me that so many people cant look at Nazism, at Communism, and learn the lessons. When people cannot elect or dismiss the people who make the laws which govern them, you have dictatorship. Pure and simple. Now there may be some who believe in (theoretically) benevolent dictatorship as a valid form of governent, but I dont. And shame on anyone who does.

Hmm. i didn't get the part with the nazism, faschism, communism and so on...We can't elect huh...i don't think so. The major people in EU were chosen from us, the electors. After that they choose who to take in and who not. If they think thats kinda good, they have the right to do it. And why my God is this dictatorship...
Unification of Europe...meant not that years ago, but its near...What kind of Unification are you talkin' about...1200.ac when the "Holy Pope" wanted "Peace" everywhere, or centuries later when Hitler wanted to conquer the world...thats not union, not unification...
If i have understand you not as you want, forgive me... ;)

The major people in EU were chosen from us, the electors.
Yes, but we did elect Robert Kilroy-Silk as an MEP, so... :p

I agree with the rest of your post though. Comparing the EU to Nazi Germany is crackpot at best.

Whos cares I'm not from Europe.

Whos cares I'm not from Europe.
Where are you from?

Yes, but we did elect Robert Kilroy-Silk as an MEP, so... :p

I agree with the rest of your post though. Comparing the EU to Nazi Germany is crackpot at best.

Uhm I forgot what MEP meant...Can you explain it to me please...

Uhm I forgot what MEP meant...Can you explain it to me please...
Member of the European Parliament. Which is ironic, because Kilroy wants the dissolution of the EU.

It's quite sad really, he just sits on his own whenever he's there because no-one wants to talk to him :(

Member of the European Parliament. Which is ironic, because Kilroy wants the dissolution of the EU.

It's quite sad really, he just sits on his own whenever he's there because no-one wants to talk to him :(
ha! he deserves it. stupid Kilroy :mad:

Member of the European Parliament. Which is ironic, because Kilroy wants the dissolution of the EU.

It's quite sad really, he just sits on his own whenever he's there because no-one wants to talk to him :(

Oh yeah. i saw him on the news yesterday. He was just standing there, alone in the corner, and nobody near him. It's quite ironic, you're right...and funny too. :)

As long as they follow democratic principals of
government and economy.

It would be great if all the balkan nations also
joined on those principals, it would be good
for them and good for Europe, to stop all the
ethnic hate of thousands of years.

I really wish Bulgaria wouldn't join, or the EU disbands for that matter. Whatever advantages of the EU will be offset by a major loss of national sovereignty. I just have suspicions whenever there's an enlargement of government on this scale.

I'm against a Union for the foreseeable future. Anyone can see that the amount of in-fighting would be horrendous. It would tear itself apart as soon as it was put together.

And yes, ha ha ha Kilroy! No one likes you! Ha ha ha! :D

Hmm. i didn't get the part with the nazism, faschism, communism and so on...We can't elect huh...i don't think so. The major people in EU were chosen from us, the electors.

No they werent. The European Parliament has about as much power as a mouse in a cattery. It isnt a democratic Parliament in any sense because it cannot make a single law. ALL European Law comes from the Commission i.e. the bureaucracy - who you or I cannot elect or dismiss. Dictatorship.

Very sad that all those former communist countries are now rushing headlong to join another 'Union' which also gives its bureaucracy and ruling class (and now their families as well) immunity to the Law, and has a Police Force which also cant be touched by the Law. Who says slavery cant be in the mind as well?