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Since some people for some bizarre reason, don't seem to understand this, let me point out that:

Evolution, atheism and the big bang theory are:

* Not the same thing
* Not dependent upon one another

And that agreeing with one does not automatically mean someone agrees with the other two. Here's what they are:

* Evolution is a theory of how the different species of life originated.
* Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of God.
* The Big Bang theory is a theory of how the universe came to be like it is.

Note also, that none of these are moral codes, or in any way indicate what someone's morals should be.

True, but invariably, those that are atheists will tend to subscibe to the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution. In fact, I don't know of any athiest who DOESN'T believe in the Big Bang and Evolution instead of Creationism.

True, but invariably, those that are atheists will tend to subscibe to the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution. In fact, I don't know of any athiest who DOESN'T believe in the Big Bang and Evolution instead of Creationism.

It's understandable that an atheist wouldnt believe in creationism, since creationism involves God. But not being a creationist doesnt mean you have to accept the theories of evolution and the big bang.

Since some people for some bizarre reason, don't seem to understand this, let me point out that:

Evolution, atheism and the big bang theory are:

* Not the same thing
* Not dependent upon one another

And that agreeing with one does not automatically mean someone agrees with the other two. Here's what they are:

* Evolution is a theory of how the different species of life originated.
* Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of God.
* The Big Bang theory is a theory of how the universe came to be like it is.

Note also, that none of these are moral codes, or in any way indicate what someone's morals should be.

That's the only bit I disagree with. Obviously if you're an atheist you're going to have slightly different morals such as not having a problem with blaspheming. I am by no means saying atheists can't be moralistic but to say that atheism shows no indication of your morals is rather ridiculous.

Other than that it's nice to see someone point out a thing that really bugs me.

I'd also like to note that being an evolutionist or a creationist are not the only options and disbelieving in one doesn't immediatly make you the other.

Since some people for some bizarre reason, don't seem to understand this, let me point out that:

Evolution, atheism and the big bang theory are:

* Not the same thing
* Not dependent upon one another

And that agreeing with one does not automatically mean someone agrees with the other two. Here's what they are:

* Evolution is a theory of how the different species of life originated.
* Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of God.
* The Big Bang theory is a theory of how the universe came to be like it is.

Note also, that none of these are moral codes, or in any way indicate what someone's morals should be.

Evolution: Nope
Atheism: Nope, Islam
Big Bang: Yes

That's the only bit I disagree with. Obviously if you're an atheist you're going to have slightly different morals such as not having a problem with blaspheming. I am by no means saying atheists can't be moralistic but to say that atheism shows no indication of your morals is rather ridiculous.


Ok, fair enough. That is a good point about the blaspheming, etc.

Evolution: Nope
Atheism: Nope, Islam
Big Bang: Yes

You confused me for a second, then I realised you were acting as if I had asked which ones you believed in.

It's understandable that an atheist wouldnt believe in creationism, since creationism involves God. But not being a creationist doesnt mean you have to accept the theories of evolution and the big bang.

Well... are there others that have evidence behind them? That is what I'm saying. I have yet to meet any athiest that can make a logical arguement for anything BUT either evolution or the Big Bang. Is there anything else you can make a totally plausable, intelligent, and logical arguement for?

You confused me for a second, then I realised you were acting as if I had asked which ones you believed in.
Well I was making a point that you're right that they aren't linked. I'm a Muslim, I don't believe in Evolution but I do believe in the Big Bang Theory.

I agree with you on this.Mostly because it fits.I am a evolutionary Christian who belives on he big bang.

Well I was making a point that you're right that they aren't linked. I'm a Muslim, I don't believe in Evolution but I do believe in the Big Bang Theory.

Why don't you believe into evolution? Evidence is overwhelming...

Why don't you believe into evolution? Evidence is overwhelming...
Well as someone pointed out, an atheist wouldn't believe in creationism because it involves God and so I don't believe in evolution because it would mean that God had nothing to do it which I believe is wrong. But I won't exclude the possibility.

Well... are there others that have evidence behind them? That is what I'm saying. I have yet to meet any athiest that can make a logical arguement for anything BUT either evolution or the Big Bang. Is there anything else you can make a totally plausable, intelligent, and logical arguement for?

Sure:

"We do not know (yet)".

That answer is completely valid, plausible, intelligent and logical. And much, much better than "it was done in this way, which has no backing reason and is not testable but just happens to be what I believe in/sound good".

Why don't you believe into evolution? Evidence is overwhelming... This thread was not constructed with the intention of convincing people about the legitimacy of evolutionary theory, if you want to do that, take it to another one. (Inivisible Pink Unicorn knows there's enough of em')

Well... are there others that have evidence behind them? That is what I'm saying. I have yet to meet any athiest that can make a logical arguement for anything BUT either evolution or the Big Bang. Is there anything else you can make a totally plausable, intelligent, and logical arguement for?

I'm atheist/agnostic and I don't believe in Evolution or the Big Bang. That's mainly because I don't know enough about them to accept them. Just because I don't believe in Creationism doesn't immediatly mean I believe the other popular belief. It's fairly easy to be undecided and for me the most logical stance seeing as I haven't considered all the proof and evidence for both so can't make a decision about them and also don't wish to take either as fact when neither are*. And I'm sure there may be other theories out there.

*Yes, I know, theories in science are different and there is overwhelming proof etc etc but it is still not an undeniable fact.

Well as someone pointed out, an atheist wouldn't believe in creationism because it involves God and so I don't believe in evolution because it would mean that God had nothing to do it which I believe is wrong. But I won't exclude the possibility.

Wrong. I don't believe in Creationism because there is no evidence for it (Besides, i'm an agnostic). And of course has evolution nothing to do with God. It's science. Occam's Razor, if you know what i am talking about.

I agree with you on this.Mostly because it fits.I am a evolutionary Christian who belives on he big bang.

Agreed. Have you ever noticed that Genesis follows the evolutionary chain of existence? Also, the whole "And there was light"? Ever heard of the surface of last scattering, which was about 400000 years after the big bang? Astronomers can't "see" past there since it's essentially a wall of light after the ionization of matter.

Wrong. I don't believe in Creationism because there is no evidence for it (Besides, i'm an agnostic). And of course has evolution nothing to do with God. It's science. Occam's Razor, if you know what i am talking about.
I won't exlude the possibility of evolution because a couple of Muslims I know told me that Adam and Eve were created as souls but they were put into bodies when they went to Earth. Therefore the homo sapien existed but they didn't have the intelligent soul to go along with it. And if the homo sapien was there, there must've been the homo erectus and the rest before it. But who really knows...

That's the only bit I disagree with. Obviously if you're an atheist you're going to have slightly different morals such as not having a problem with blaspheming. I am by no means saying atheists can't be moralistic but to say that atheism shows no indication of your morals is rather ridiculous.

Other than that it's nice to see someone point out a thing that really bugs me.

I'd also like to note that being an evolutionist or a creationist are not the only options and disbelieving in one doesn't immediatly make you the other.


The definitionof Blasphemy is:

1. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
2. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.

If you are aetheist by default you would not blashpemy based on the fact that according to you there is no god. Anyone that is aethiest would and commit blasphemy would be the equivolent of what I like to call a pew warmer... No idea what they are talking about but talk anyway.

True, but invariably, those that are atheists will tend to subscibe to the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution. In fact, I don't know of any athiest who DOESN'T believe in the Big Bang and Evolution instead of Creationism.

Not true.

It is more likely that an Atheist will believe evolution of the Big Bang than 'Creationism'... but that is because 'Creationism' relies on 'god'... and Atheists do not believe in 'god'... so they are unlikely to ascribe creation to him/her/it.

It isn't dependent on your religion, or lack of it... but you are less likely to accept a 'religious' answer if you are non-religious, true?

I am an Atheist, but I do not accept the Big Bang theory, as presented. I think a repeating collapse/expansion model is more likely. But, I think that a Big Bang is more likely than a 'god'... since I do not believe that a 'god' is really 'possible'.

I accept Evolution as a mechanism... because we have seen it happen in small form, and there is sufficient evidence to support it in 'large form'.

I also accepted Evolution while I was still a Christian... it is nothing to do with my religion.

I am an Atheist, but I do not accept the Big Bang theory, as presented. I think a repeating collapse/expansion model is more likely. But, I think that a Big Bang is more likely than a 'god'... since I do not believe that a 'god' is really 'possible'.
A repeating collapse/expansion model and the Big Bang are not mutually exclusive :) What happens when all that matter collapses into one place? The energy it gets from collisions may be large enough to explode it all out again. Einsteins cosmological constant still hasn't been found to a high enough degree of accuracy to prove things either way ie
1. repeated collapse/expansion
2. Open universe where everything continues accelerating forever
3. Universe expands to a certain point and does neither
:eek: Amazing, i remembered that from lectures.....this revision thing must be good.... :p