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Hi im just wondering what was Htilers religion and how deeply did he believe in it?

He was catholic at one point, but at some point during his rise to power or shortly afterwards he abandoned all religion.

He wasn't really religious after he rose to power. He blamed religion for a lot of Germany's problems. He didn't especially like Jews or Catholics that much, even though there was evidence of Nazi ties to the Roman Catholic Church...

He was catholic, but he wasnt very religious.

His mother was a religious christian...

Hitler was anti-religious. He felt religion interfered with people's allegiance to the state, he promoted the 'German faith movement' as an alternative.

He was an occultist.

Hitler was anti-religious. He felt religion interfered with people's allegiance to the state, he promoted the 'German faith movement' as an alternative.

Actually he was a Christian and used it in his speeches:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)


http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

He was also the fourth of six children of Alois Hitler (1837–1903), a customs official, and Klara Pölzl, Alois' niece and third wife.

...further proof that inbreeding is *not* good!

...and the fact that he only had one testicle, and a trench he was in during WWI took a hit with mustard gas, which he was exposed to. Those are fun little factors to consider when gauging his mental quirks.

. He didn't especially like Jews

Master of understatement.
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And this is interesting......................

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/images/nazi-priests.jpg

Well he was at lest of the "Christian" culture of Germany (just like the Pope ), but we also know he had a very strange occultist bend. He was a fanatical fan of Wagner operas with all their Gods and fables. It all sort of meshed in that damaged chronicly inbred mind along with the horrors of WWI trench warfare, being an abused child, and a homeless adult.

Yes if Hitler had just a little less self control and ambition he would have been the Charley Manson of his time.

Well, to be fair, chances are they'd get their asses beat if they didn't sieg heil. But seeing as the whole nation got indoctrinated, there's no reason why priests would escape the propaganda unless hitler really did shit to piss off the church.

Goebbels!

Hitler was a Scientologist. His Nazi code-name was Herr Thetan Skraper.

[QUOTE=New Genoa]Well, to be fair, chances are they'd get their asses beat if they didn't sieg heil.

Agreed. I'd be throwing my arm up too.]

While I do not know what religion Hitler was, I do know he interetingly enough did collect many spiritual weapons and idols, his collection including (This is off my memory, so it may not be quite correst) the supposed spearhead that struck Jesus, said to give invincibility to the owner.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

This seems like a reasonable article on the subject.
Some of Hitler's quotes from the site ranged from...

(1922)
""My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.""


which makes it seem like he was a Christian, to:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."


19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."


Anyway, I think it's safe it's safe to that Hitler was no Christian. Certainly, I've never seen a historian try to claim that he was.



And finally...
"Was Hitler an Atheist or a Theist? More importantly, Who Cares?"
http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1999/violence.html

. He didn't especially like Jews

Master of understatement.
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And this is interesting......................

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/images/nazi-priests.jpg

...so they're not saying "So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish"?? ;)

He claims he was Christian. But Europe that time was Christian nations, so it would be wise to pretend to be one, to get the followers. Though somehow I don't think he reads his bible.

No sane Christian would torture Jews. Plus he was very involved in the occult.

He wasn't the Fuhrer in 1922. He wasn't running around conquering Europe in 1922. And apparently, he wasn't anti-religious in 1922. Later however, he was. :p

This has been talked about in many other threads.

He wasnt catholic. I should know since he killed all religions about 6 million jews and 6 million christens (including catholics). He also killed slavs, czechs, and gypsies. He hated all religion and wished for its dismantle.

He claims he was Christian. But Europe that time was Christian nations, so it would be wise to pretend to be one, to get the followers. Though somehow I don't think he reads his bible.

No sane Christian would torture Jews. Plus he was very involved in the occult.

He believed that the volkergiest was real. That tells you something now doesnt it?

Many would argue that Hitlers only religion was National Socialism, I say it was himself.

I'm pretty sure he was a Buddhist monk.

;)

He was raised a Catholic, most likely of the "higher criticism" flavor, but that really isn't saying much. As others have already stated he later denounced all religion because he felt they where a threat to his régime (and had many Christians killed or imprisoned) and he was veritably obsessed with the occult and rather superstitious (the bastard did claim the Spear of Longinus, which if I am not mistaken, Patton claimed hours before Hitler’s death o.0) to boot. While you could probably call him an Atheist, I would call him a Satanist. It isn't what you think; Satanism has more to do with worshiping yourself so to speak, making yourself your deity. It’s egotistic enough to fit Hitler. Read up at Wiki... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism)

Unlike many religions and philosophies, Satanism generally focuses upon the spiritual advancement of the self, rather than upon submission to a deity or a set of moral codes.

He believed that the volkergiest was real. That tells you something now doesnt it?

Whats Volkergiest? I tried wikipedia and Google. I couldn't find anything about it.

Umm... I think Hitler was very religious. Doesn't National Socialism strike you as being a religion? It demanded faith without thought. It was anti-intellectual. It promoted the group over the individual. It downplayed the importance of life in this world.

I'm not saying all religions are as bad, (that's an arguement for another thread) but it certainly seems like a religion to me.

He claims he was Christian. But Europe that time was Christian nations, so it would be wise to pretend to be one, to get the followers. Though somehow I don't think he reads his bible.

No sane Christian would torture Jews. Plus he was very involved in the occult.
hey now good christians have tortured jews for centuries, the present pope was previously head of the successor organization to the inquistion, whose main focus in those bad old days in spain were secret jews not witches or even heretic(though is some areas in focused more on eachof those groups).

He wasn't really religious after he rose to power. He blamed religion for a lot of Germany's problems. He didn't especially like Jews or Catholics that much, even though there was evidence of Nazi ties to the Roman Catholic Church...

Proof? A source not Socialist or anything leftwing.

He was catholic at one point, but at some point during his rise to power or shortly afterwards he abandoned all religion.


This is more false than Britney Spears' breasts. Hitler was very religious, if not a religious fanatic. You look in his diaries and he talks about "may Almighty God help me" and things like that. That bull about him being atheist or pagan is farthest from the truth.

Hi im just wondering what was Htilers religion and how deeply did he believe in it?


Hitler was almost trying to start a religion, or a cult of sorts. The Nazi party was almost an offspring of the Thule society.

http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html

Hitler was obsessed with the spear of Destiny, the spear that was said to have pierced Jesus's side.

http://web.org.uk/picasso/spear.html

Of course,he didn't publicize this.

This is more false than Britney Spears' breasts. Hitler was very religious, if not a religious fanatic. You look in his diaries and he talks about "may Almighty God help me" and things like that. That bull about him being atheist or pagan is farthest from the truth.


The FAKE Hitler diaries?

Or were there other diaries that I don't know about?

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."(Hiter, 1922)
Lol a "christian"* and a warmonger...who does that remind you of?

Bush?

*Disclaimer to Christians: I feel that he took Christian as a label, not as a faith. The label doesn't make you the Christian - it's what you believe that does. After what he did to the Jews, it's obvious that there were no real Christian values of love and forgiveness going on.

*Disclaimer to Christians: I feel that he took Christian as a label, not as a faith. The label doesn't make you the Christian - it's what you believe that does. After what he did to the Jews, it's obvious that there were no real Christian values of love and forgiveness going on.

I love it when non Christians preach to us about what makes a Christian.

There were a lot of priests who embraced the Nazi movement, just like there were a lot who opposed it. Some of the more nasty Old Testament fundamentalists really liked the anti Semitism and nationalist angle, while other more New Testament orientated priests opposed the gross abuse of human rights and dignity.

One of the more disturbing pictures I saw was of a priest giving the old zieg heil standing beside a German submarine officer giving the traditional military salute instead (a lot of professional soldiers in Germany didn’t like Hitler all that much either). That scene of that photo always stuck with me.

The Bruce

Hitler was a Scientologist. His Nazi code-name was Herr Thetan Skraper.

Nahh...
From his control-freak style, I'd have to say he was a Jehovah's Witness...






;)

But then again Hitler rounded up Jehovah's Witnesses and sent them to concentration camps. He made them wear purple triangles as their designated symbol.

Hmmm....
Maybe he used his prosecution of the JWs as a cover for his own beliefs.

Possible but illogical.

Wow....

I must be really bored if I'm posting the coversation I'm having with myself on NS...





*crawls back into hole and hides*

He knew how to use religion as a political tool, but at the same time fought it.

In many of his speeches, he appealed to religion and referred to God, and allowed Catholic volunteer charities to run while clamping down upon others.

At the same time, he established the Hitler Youth and its female counterpart as a counterweight to these organisations.

I'd source, but i'm too lazy unless you really need it :p

He created a religion based around worship of the sun, though I doubt he believed it. He was connected to the occultist Thule Society, and possibly Vril as well. His religion was not taken up by more than a few people, in the same fashion as the Soviet Union's early attempts to destroy the Church by creating their own "secular religion."

He claims he was Christian. But Europe that time was Christian nations, so it would be wise to pretend to be one, to get the followers. Though somehow I don't think he reads his bible.

No sane Christian would torture Jews. Plus he was very involved in the occult.

Um... ever heard of the Spanish Inquisistion? It's not just a Monty Python sketch...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

There were a lot of priests who embraced the Nazi movement, just like there were a lot who opposed it. Some of the more nasty Old Testament fundamentalists really liked the anti Semitism and nationalist angle, while other more New Testament orientated priests opposed the gross abuse of human rights and dignity.
One of the more disturbing pictures I saw was of a priest giving the old zieg heil standing beside a German submarine officer giving the traditional military salute instead (a lot of professional soldiers in Germany didn’t like Hitler all that much either). That scene of that photo always stuck with me.
The Bruce

One priest mate.. its not the whole clergy.

While I do not know what religion Hitler was, I do know he interetingly enough did collect many spiritual weapons and idols, his collection including (This is off my memory, so it may not be quite correst) the supposed spearhead that struck Jesus, said to give invincibility to the owner.

The Lance of Longinus, I heard about it from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Um... ever heard of the Spanish Inquisistion? It's not just a Monty Python sketch...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Sorry, it just had to be done.

Btw, I've heared people claim that Hitler was Jewish, but I'm pretty sure that was bs.