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Have you ever considered moving to another country?

Cabra West
06-05-2005, 23:22
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?
Swimmingpool
06-05-2005, 23:23
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?
I don't think I would want to permanently live anywhere else but Dublin.

Are you from Dublin too? *notices Cabra in your name*
Tuesday Heights
06-05-2005, 23:24
I've considered moving to another country, preferably in Europe, just because I think it has more culture to it than America. When it comes down to it, though, if I move it would have nothing to do with the political or cultural climate of America.
Fass
06-05-2005, 23:24
I've lived in several countries. Why? Some because my parents got jobs in them, and others because I wanted to learn the language or just get away for a longer period.
The Mindset
06-05-2005, 23:26
I'd like to move to Mexico at some point. Near to America for shopping, but with a better climate and less OMGGOTTAKILLGAYSLoLolOlOl attitude.
Cabra West
06-05-2005, 23:28
I don't think I would want to permanently live anywhere else but Dublin.

Are you from Dublin too? *notices Cabra in your name*

Yes and no... I was born in Germany, lived in Canada for a short while and am now living in Dublin. In Cabra, to be precise... ;)
Fass
06-05-2005, 23:28
I'd like to move to Mexico at some point. Near to America for shopping, but with a better climate and less OMGGOTTAKILLGAYSLoLolOlOl attitude.

Umm, Mexico is full of catholics... it's Canada you want.
The Winter Alliance
06-05-2005, 23:30
I've considered moving to other countries before, but I doubt that I will. I might visit some other countries later. I really wanted to move to Singapore once. But now the reasons which made me wish to move there are no longer pertinent.
Robbopolis
06-05-2005, 23:32
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

I don't even want to move to another state. I'm pretty happy where I am.
Koshkaboo
06-05-2005, 23:33
Yes and no... I was born in Germany, lived in Canada for a short while and am now living in Dublin. In Cabra, to be precise... ;)


I am soooooo jealous! Grrr! Two places I want to live before I die: Berlin and Vancouver.
Rummania
06-05-2005, 23:33
Umm, Mexico is full of catholics... it's Canada you want.

I'm Catholic and I don't wanna kill any homosexuals. Well, maybe a few... but not out of indignation over their sexual orientation. Most of the "god hates f__s" types here in the US are Protestants.
Cabra West
06-05-2005, 23:35
What would be a reason for you to move?
Fass
06-05-2005, 23:36
I'm Catholic and I don't wanna kill any homosexuals. Well, maybe a few... but not out of indignation over their sexual orientation. Most of the "god hates f__s" types here in the US are Protestants.

Tune into the pope, and have a look at what is preached in Mexico and other latin countries... but, let's not thread-jack. This is way off-topic for the thread.
Syniks
06-05-2005, 23:36
If I had to move and could pick anywhere, it would be Switzerland, where I would promptly sign up for the next schutzenfest.
Portu Cale MK3
06-05-2005, 23:37
I want to work in several nations to absorb knowledge, and see things around, but i would never leave my tiny country! :fluffle:
Cabra West
06-05-2005, 23:38
Tune into the pope, and have a look at what is preached in Mexico and other latin countries... but, let's not thread-jack. This is way off-topic for the thread.

Thank you. I was actually beginning to wonder why every single thread seem to turn into a discussion about either religion or gun ownership?
Frangland
06-05-2005, 23:38
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

No. but if I were going to move to another country, I think I'd give England a try.

We speak more or less the same language; it's where most of my ancestors lived and died. And there's something else about it... gallantry, tradition, etc.

Two things would gnaw at me though:

Food

and

Weather

I probably could not afford to hire Jamie Oliver as my personal chef. hehe

Do you guys still have that show The Naked Chef (or Oliver's Twist) on TV in the UK?
Rummania
06-05-2005, 23:41
Tune into the pope, and have a look at what is preached in Mexico and other latin countries... but, let's not thread-jack. This is way off-topic for the thread.

It's a religion with a billion people in it. Don't generalize. There's a big difference between thinking homosexuality is immoral (which is an opinion held by only some Catholics) and actively hating homosexuals.
The Mindset
06-05-2005, 23:44
Umm, Mexico is full of catholics... it's Canada you want.

Mexico is also the most liberal South American country, with the largest Gay resort of Latin America too. Ever heard of Puerto Vallarta?
Fass
06-05-2005, 23:52
Mexico is also the most liberal South American country, with the largest Gay resort of Latin America too. Ever heard of Puerto Vallarta?

That's like saying "ever heard of New York or San Francisco", and then acting like places like Florida, Alabama or Kansas don't exist.

Edit: Oh, and by the by, Mexico is not a South American country. And even if it were, it would be beaten in liberalism by Brazil.

Mexico: http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/Mexico/mexico-map.jpg
South America: http://guyana.gwebworks.com/graphics/south_america.jpg
The Mindset
06-05-2005, 23:55
Oh, okay, I'll come clean. I like Mexican guys.
Isanyonehome
06-05-2005, 23:55
I'd like to move to Mexico at some point. Near to America for shopping, but with a better climate and less OMGGOTTAKILLGAYSLoLolOlOl attitude.

You are right, in mexico they just kidnap and kill you for random(well, to be honest it is usually for money). And if you think America is bad with regards to homosexuals, you clearly havent the slightest ******* clue about how they(gays) are viewed in South America. In fact, your entire statement only highlights your ignorance of how things work in the American continent... and people say Americans are ignorant...
Kejott
06-05-2005, 23:56
I swore that I'd move to Canada if Bush won and that's exactly what I'm going to do next year when I turn 18.
Isanyonehome
06-05-2005, 23:58
If I had to move and could pick anywhere, it would be Switzerland, where I would promptly sign up for the next schutzenfest.

Do you need to be a citizen to participate? I thought it was open to all.. maybe I am thinking of something else.
The Mindset
07-05-2005, 00:00
You are right, in mexico they just kidnap and kill you for random(well, to be honest it is usually for money). And if you think America is bad with regards to homosexuals, you clearly havent the slightest ******* clue about how they(gays) are viewed in South America. In fact, your entire statement only highlights your ignorance of how things work in the American continent... and people say Americans are ignorant...

Poopydo.
Fass
07-05-2005, 00:06
Oh, okay, I'll come clean. I like Mexican guys.

Okay, I'll agree with you on that. The things this one Mexican bloke I knew did... hmm, I should stop before I have to take a moment for myself.
12345543211
07-05-2005, 00:15
Ive considered moving to another country for several months, one year tops but not permenantly. Things in my country are going fine I have no need to move anywhere else.
12345543211
07-05-2005, 00:17
I swore that I'd move to Canada if Bush won and that's exactly what I'm going to do next year when I turn 18.

You are really going to spend your whole life living in Canada just because some yokals re-elected a guy you dont like?
Isanyonehome
07-05-2005, 00:18
Poopydo.


Well okay.

My credentials(lol, silly word to use for this topic I guess).

1) I speak spanish(badly)
2) I have spent 3 spring breaks down there(in touristy areas)
3) one of my pledge brothers grew up in argentina, another in Belize.
4) My little brother brother did a semester down there(against our wishes)
5) grew up with any number of people from Mexico, belize, argentina + I know a few from colombia.
6) The super in one of my dads buildings is from one of those countries.
7) One of the secretaries husband is also from one of those countries.
8) I am leaving out my cousins from California and all their friends ect.
9) My high school home room teacher was from Argentina(well, she never actually talked about gays, but she was very religious)
10) Almost all of our housekeepers have been South American

Are you not even factoring in how religious Latin America is?

Whats your understanding of the southern half of the American continent? Maybe you have a better understanding, it isnt like I have lived their or anything.
Perezuela
07-05-2005, 00:23
I'd say that I'd like to move to Bangladesh to help starving families but I'd just be lying so I'll just say that I want to go to Egypt. I was born there but I haven't been back in 8 years.
Reticuli
07-05-2005, 00:42
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

I want to move to Canada. It's much more liberal there.

Here in the US, Liberals and Atheists (I happen to be both) are hated by the god-fearing redneck Bush supporters. (That's right, I said god in lower-case. TAKE THAT!)
Legless Pirates
07-05-2005, 00:49
I heard today my grandparents were planning on moving to new zealand in the fifties.

And yes, but I don't
Libertty
07-05-2005, 01:39
As long as I can vote and try to persuade others to vote for causes dear to me, I don't want to live anywhere other than the U.S. It's certainly far from perfect, but I can't think of any other nation on Earth where an individual has more opportunities to live the life he or she wants to live.

But if the day ever comes - and it seems to be approaching - that my opinion is no longer consulted and the powers that be decide to autocratically rule without consent of the governed (me), I'd seriously consider taking my family on a life-long vacation.
North Island
07-05-2005, 01:43
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?
I am 20 years old and have lived in 4 nations on two continents and in 8 different houses.
Yes I have considered moving again and this time to the west coast of America, Why? Thats were the school I will be in is.
Eutrusca
07-05-2005, 01:46
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?
I very briefly considered moving to Thailand, but came to my senses in about ... oh ... three seconds. :)
Roach-Busters
07-05-2005, 01:53
Yes, Thailand (my g.f. lives there) or the Philippines (nicest people in the world).
Rammsteinburg
07-05-2005, 01:55
I've considered living in Canada, Britain, Austrailia, and Germany.
Roach-Busters
07-05-2005, 01:56
If South Africa were safe, I might move there because of the racial diversity.
Eutrusca
07-05-2005, 02:01
I want to move to Canada. It's much more liberal there.

Here in the US, Liberals and Atheists (I happen to be both) are hated by the god-fearing redneck Bush supporters. (That's right, I said god in lower-case. TAKE THAT!)
Oooooo! I am like, so cut to the core! :D

So leave already! :p
Robot ninja pirates
07-05-2005, 02:02
I'd like to spend extended time in Europe (probably Italy) after school, but I'd always come back here to the States.
Roach-Busters
07-05-2005, 02:07
I very briefly considered moving to Thailand, but came to my senses in about ... oh ... three seconds. :)

I'll go in your place, Gramps. Will you please buy me a ticket?

*Bats eyelashes, puts on puppy-dog pout*
Heiligkeit
07-05-2005, 02:13
Hell yes!! Anywhere but America is better right now(excluding the Middle East and Africa)
Zouloukistan
07-05-2005, 02:19
You mean, like, going outside Canada? In a place were people are not Canadians? And no frogs (like me) or newfies to laugh at?

Never.
Zouloukistan
07-05-2005, 02:21
I want to move to Canada. It's much more liberal there.

Here in the US, Liberals and Atheists (I happen to be both) are hated by the god-fearing redneck Bush supporters. (That's right, I said god in lower-case. TAKE THAT!)
Come!! Come here!!! Our borders are open!!
Heiligkeit
07-05-2005, 02:26
Come!! Come here!!! Our borders are open!!
I'm not. If I move, it's Europe
Alien Born
07-05-2005, 02:29
I think the answer to that is yes.


<---- See location.

Why? Two reasons: Blair or Howard as a political choice was not good.
My wife is Brazilian.
Kejott
07-05-2005, 02:34
You are really going to spend your whole life living in Canada just because some yokals re-elected a guy you dont like?

Hell yes I am, besides there's some good colleges up there. When 4 years is up I might come back, but that depends if there's another punkass bitch in office or not :p .
Nimzonia
07-05-2005, 02:36
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

Yeah, all the time. Places I've thought about living in include: China, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Estonia, Japan, Norway, and Portugal. Note that, I don't think I really want to live in any of those places, it was just an interesting mental exercise.
Klabundia
07-05-2005, 02:57
I don't even want to move to another state. I'm pretty happy where I am.

i can see we have a fellow alaskan here. Either we are crazy to put up with 60 below. Or smart to enjoy endless summer sunlight. But I will be moving to another country in about six months myself. But will be back. Gotta chase some love in Australia, funny how we have 6million plus illegals and 19 idiots can come here, destroy a landmark and flip the world on end. But two folks who want to get married here from different countries is very tasking. So we are going the other way. Thanks to those of you who bring in mail order brides and then thier 25 family members. Way to ruin it for the rest of us. :headbang:
Australus
07-05-2005, 03:00
I've been considering spending some time in Argentina or Spain, since Spanish I was raised practically bilingually in Spanish. Argentina would be good because it would afford me the opportunity to also travel to other nearby countries in Latin America.

I've also seriously been considering spending much more time in China (see the profile!), possibly to do some graduate studies in Hong Kong, since my dad lives there.
Chikyota
07-05-2005, 03:04
Conscidered? Hell, I make a habit of it.
Californian Refugees
08-05-2005, 15:28
<-----See location

I spent almost 3 years in Taiwan, 7 years in Hong Kong, and now close to a year in Mainland China.
Perezuela
08-05-2005, 15:39
I think the answer to that is yes.


<---- See location.

Why? Two reasons: Blair or Howard as a political choice was not good.
My wife is Brazilian.
God, I'd sure love to go to Brazil right now..
Cabra West
08-05-2005, 16:55
I'm going to refine the question a bit now.
If you have considered moving elsewhere but haven't, what stopped you?

See, I'm trying to see why people would stay in one place and keep telling you how much they want to be someplace else.
I always wanted to see other countries (up close and "backstage", not just on a holiday) and I never understood why people would complain about the weather, the people, the job situation, public transport etc. and go on whining about how things are soooo much better somewhere else, but still stay. I never had any serious complaints about any of the places I lived so far and I still left, just to go and see what other places are like...
Daistallia 2104
08-05-2005, 17:05
I've not only considered it, but done it. :)
I've been a US expat in Japan for 14+ years now...
Originally I came as an exchange student. I liked it so much I returned after finishing school. I stayed becaused I like it, although it is a definate love/hate relationship.
Kanabia
08-05-2005, 17:07
Yeah, but then, i've never been overseas for even a holiday.
Celtlund
08-05-2005, 17:21
When I was in my 20s, I considered moving to Australia. I never did though as I didn’t have the money to do it. Before the First Gulf War, I considered a job in Saudi Arabia, but didn’t take it because neither my wife nor I wanted to be so far away from family. I thought briefly about retiring in Ireland but won’t do it because of climate, cost of living, and being so far away from family.

I lived in Thailand for a year and Spain for three years. The reason I moved to those places was job related. The three years I lived in Spain, my family was with me. I’ve also lived up and down the east coast from Maine to Texas. I’ve lived here in Oklahoma longer than I’ve ever lived anywhere else as an adult, 16 ½ years. I will be retiring in about four years and moving to Alabama. We want to retire there because of climate, cost of living, and relatives.

I’ve also traveled to most of the 50 states, Guam, Wake Island, Philippines, Japan, Malaysia, Germany, Italy, Turkey, England, and Saudi Arabia on business.

I can not conceive of anyone spending their whole life in one town or state, but to each their own.
Warta Endor
08-05-2005, 17:23
I've lived abroad for most of my life. Now I live in Holland :( but after my study I want to live in either New Zealand or Australia...
Warta Endor
08-05-2005, 17:25
Ow hehehehe. My study stops me from moving. I would like to finish my study here before I move to NZ or Australia.
Homieville
08-05-2005, 17:25
Me and My parents Considered moving to Poland were my family is in or to Rome in Italy.Currently I live in the Poconos in PA
Celtlund
08-05-2005, 17:56
Ow hehehehe. My study stops me from moving. I would like to finish my study here before I move to NZ or Australia.

Why do we Americans and Europeans have such a fascination for NZ and Oz? I know I did but don't know why I did. :confused:
Kanabia
08-05-2005, 18:09
I've lived abroad for most of my life. Now I live in Holland :( but after my study I want to live in either New Zealand or Australia...

...

You live in Holland, and you want to move here?!? :eek: Howcome??
Warta Endor
08-05-2005, 18:16
First: the weather sucks (ok, the weather in NZ isn't perfect, far from it)
Second: I actually think (most, not all) dtch people are pretty arrogant and think they're always right.
Third: Maybe I idealize NZ and Australia, but I think its a better place to live in my opinion. I know some people in Australia and they say live isn't bad down under.
Kanabia
08-05-2005, 18:20
First: the weather sucks (ok, the weather in NZ isn't perfect, far from it)

Well, if you never want to see snow again, Australia's the place. Or the Sahara. But here is probably marginally more hospitable.


Second: I actually think (most, not all) dtch people are pretty arrogant and think they're always right.

Ehh, that's probably the same everywhere, though.

Third: Maybe I idealize NZ and Australia, but I think its a better place to live in my opinion. I know some people in Australia and they say live isn't bad down under.

It's not bad, I guess. At least, not at the moment. If the current Australian Prime Minister has his way, we'll be a near copy of the USA before long.
Tiger Elam
08-05-2005, 18:22
I live in the North west USA. I really like it here. I've lived in London, Pakistan, and Ven. and I really just like the kinda people around the northwest and the climate although not great is one that i like. and thirdly I love having the forests and the mountains near by.
Haken Rider
08-05-2005, 18:25
Second: I actually think (most, not all) dtch people are pretty arrogant and think they're always right.

true :p
Homieville
08-05-2005, 18:27
New Zealand Is to hot....
Warta Endor
08-05-2005, 18:40
true :p

What about Belgen eh? :D
Haken Rider
08-05-2005, 18:41
What about Belgen eh? :D
We have a minority complex. :fluffle:
Eh-oh
08-05-2005, 19:11
I'd love to move back to america. san francisco to be precise
Tiger Elam
08-05-2005, 19:29
I'd love to move back to america. san francisco to be precise

I must admit San fran is one of the nicest vities in the World.
Swimmingpool
08-05-2005, 19:37
Yes and no... I was born in Germany, lived in Canada for a short while and am now living in Dublin. In Cabra, to be precise... ;)
Do you know an English guy called Dave Baker? He lives in Cabra too. (yes I know this is an outside chance)
Pracus
08-05-2005, 19:43
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

I've considered moving from the US to Canada. Mainly because we share a somewhat similiar culture but Canada is far more progressive and less fundamentalist of the US. I could get married there, adopt children in some areas, and generally be happy. The US is doing its damndest to see that that won't happen here, and despite our best efforts, its doesn't look like things will change anytime soon.
Tatlia
08-05-2005, 19:43
yes i would like to move to japan

since then i would have to learn a new language (witch would be cool)

warmer climate then here (sweden)

more comics/manga to read

and hopefully smarter politicians (unlikly)
Warta Endor
08-05-2005, 19:50
Could be bloody cold in Japan too!
Paradiesonearth
08-05-2005, 20:17
I could imagine myself living in Scotland or Ireland, but the trouble is that I don't know what i could do there for a living... I love both countries and the houses are much cheaper than here... Also the people are very friendly and I could finally realise my dream and study a gaelic language..
FreePeaceLovers
08-05-2005, 20:43
I am French with family in Germany and I am living in the UK, my fiancé is American and I am going there in August (I'm getting married ;) ).
If I had the choice I would buy a huge motor home and cruise around Europe. I think all the country I went to are good. Sometimes people in it are the issue....therefore it's good not to stay too long and I would enjoy sooo much traveling the world
Celtlund
08-05-2005, 20:55
I'd love to move back to america. san francisco to be
precise

Frisco is nice, but to damn expensive. Not a bad place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there, or anywhere else in California, NY City, or Massachusetts.
Reason not enough $$$$$
Caediah
08-05-2005, 21:08
I think Canada would be a great place to live. Or....the Phillipines...because I could earn american wages while over there. o.O I'd be rich in no time! :D
Eh-oh
08-05-2005, 21:16
I could imagine myself living in Scotland or Ireland, but the trouble is that I don't know what i could do there for a living.

you could work as a nurse... we need some of them, or a priest, we're also running out of them(which is incerdibly surprising) or you could be a dentist, we definatly need loads of them.
Blu-tac
08-05-2005, 21:23
I have considered moving to the USA, and still do, mainly because labour keep getting in here and i want a more right-wing government, ie. the republicans.
Celtlund
08-05-2005, 21:48
I have considered moving to the USA, and still do, mainly because labour keep getting in here and i want a more right-wing government, ie. the republicans.

Welcome friend.
Ogalalla
08-05-2005, 22:06
More specifically I would like to move to the most perfect part of the U.S., Omaha Nebraska. Everything there is just perfect. Not to big, not to small, not to busy, not to dull and so on and so forth.
Swimmingpool
08-05-2005, 22:17
I have considered moving to the USA, and still do, mainly because labour keep getting in here and i want a more right-wing government, ie. the republicans.
And you are... 14 years old, right? What in your life would be improved by a more right-wing government?
Australus
08-05-2005, 22:27
Could be bloody cold in Japan too!
I can vouch for that. I have family from Japan and they've spent some time in some very cold climate.
Celtlund
08-05-2005, 22:52
And you are... 14 years old, right? What in your life would be improved by a more right-wing government?

A government that he/she feels is moving to far to the left. :D
The Winter Alliance
08-05-2005, 23:13
Funny, my life has only been getting better and better since the government became more "right wing." But this hardly qualifies as a right wing government. Just more right of center than it has been.
31
08-05-2005, 23:42
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

No never!! I would never even think about living in another country. It is a betrayal of all things right and holy! People who live in "other countries" have embraced the darkside and given into hate!!!!
Anyway, there are no other countries, only this country right here! SO this whole thing is moot! MOOT!!! heh heh, I love that word, moot. :D
Roach-Busters
08-05-2005, 23:49
14 years old, right? What in your life would be improved by a more right-wing government?

Everything. ;)
Leonstein
09-05-2005, 00:32
As long as I can vote and try to persuade others to vote for causes dear to me, I don't want to live anywhere other than the U.S. It's certainly far from perfect, but I can't think of any other nation on Earth where an individual has more opportunities to live the life he or she wants to live.

But if the day ever comes - and it seems to be approaching - that my opinion is no longer consulted and the powers that be decide to autocratically rule without consent of the governed (me), I'd seriously consider taking my family on a life-long vacation.

Why is it that Americans always believe their country to be more free than others? I can assure you that you can live in Germany exactly the way you want to, and the Government will do nothing to stop you. Not only because it would be against our constitution, but also because there is no broad majority in the public that will pressure the Government to make certain lifestyles more difficult to live.
This has probably been talked to death, but what about Gays and Lesbians? In America they have a difficult time for example marrying. In Germany, they can and then they are fully recognised when married, and when one of them dies, the other gets inheritance and all the rest of it. And they can adopt children (i think, but in any case i would think they'd have a better chance than in America). Or this very vocal (and probably large) group trying to outlaw abortions.
America is more of a dictatorship of the majority rather than an actual "live and let live" democracy.

As to the topic at hand, I was born in Hamburg and then moved to Brisbane in September 2001. It certainly helped my English...
31
09-05-2005, 00:34
Why is it that Americans always believe their country to be more free than others? I can assure you that you can live in Germany exactly the way you want to, and the Government will do nothing to stop you. Not only because it would be against our constitution, but also because there is no broad majority in the public that will pressure the Government to make certain lifestyles more difficult to live.
This has probably been talked to death, but what about Gays and Lesbians? In America they have a difficult time for example marrying. In Germany, they can and then they are fully recognised when married, and when one of them dies, the other gets inheritance and all the rest of it. And they can adopt children (i think, but in any case i would think they'd have a better chance than in America). Or this very vocal (and probably large) group trying to outlaw abortions.
America is more of a dictatorship of the majority rather than an actual "live and let live" democracy.

As to the topic at hand, I was born in Hamburg and then moved to Brisbane in September 2001. It certainly helped my English...

Why is it you use sweeping generalizations to describe what USians "always" believe?
Leonstein
09-05-2005, 01:04
Why is it you use sweeping generalizations to describe what USians "always" believe?

True, you got me there. Well, it's of course not ALL Americans, it's only every single one I ever met that has initially told me that America leaves the individual more choices than any other country in the world. So far I have physically met 7. Maybe I was just unlucky...

Not that that makes my argument any less valid, though.
Mercaenaria
09-05-2005, 05:10
Right now it's a bloody toss-up between Canada and Australia. I'm an american, although I don't like to admit it, especially when I travel. Thankfully, a thoughtful Canadian friend sent me a Canadian flag patch that I put on my backpack. Right now, though, I'm dead evenly set between Canada, which I love dearly and Australia, which I have never been to, but always wanted to see.
Gadolinia
09-05-2005, 06:29
Why is it that Americans always believe their country to be more free than others? I can assure you that you can live in Germany exactly the way you want to, and the Government will do nothing to stop you. Not only because it would be against our constitution, but also because there is no broad majority in the public that will pressure the Government to make certain lifestyles more difficult to live.


hmmm, what do you think about the german education system--having a predestined career path chosen for you at the age of 12 doesn't sound appealing to me. it is my understanding that if you get sent to the 'tech school' (haptschule if i remember my german correctly) they will bar you from the university and you are screwed (if you ever wanted to attend one). what about compulory military service? when i was in germany, many germans were quite envious of americans not having to serve. government-forced retirement? limited access to high-powered assault weapons?

seriously though, i think the 'choice' thing comes from the ideals and historic driving force of the american dream--there are countless stories told of immigrants and those from humble backgrounds seizing the opportunity given to them to pursue happiness that may not have been possible in other countries. however, this was probably more true 100 years ago, but there is still great opportunity here for anyone wanting it.
Cabinia
09-05-2005, 06:49
I've made a couple of trips to Australia and was very taken with the place, particularly the area around Perth. It seemed like paradise to me... California weather without so damned many California people. And Australians are freer than Americans (more on that in a moment). The only reason I don't pursue this more seriously is the knowledge that Australia has very tight immigration laws, and it's extremely difficult to go there.

Otherwise, I might like to move north up the left coast, anywhere from Portland to Vancouver. In fact, unless someone can put a stop to the fascist neocons and their destruction of the Constitution, Vancouver is the leading candidate.

Regarding Mexico and liberalism... their government isn't liberal. It's corrupt. They'll say damned near anything just to keep people from noticing how screwed they are. And the relationship between the sexes there is positively Cro-Magnon.

As for Americans and freedom... it's a commonly-held belief here that Americans are the most free people on earth, not least because we're told so at an early age in school. And the evidence shows that, indeed, that was once true. It's just not true anymore.

Ironically, English citizens once believed that *they* were the freest people on earth. When a group of radicals known as the Commonwealthmen began openly criticizing the government, the people mostly ignored them. The only place where they were widely taken seriously was in the American colonies... the Founding Fathers were paying close attention to the Commonwealthmen before the Stamp Act started them in action. In Britain, real reform would be a painful process that spanned centuries. Now, it seems the Americans are taking their turn at arrogant self-delusion.
Lashie
09-05-2005, 08:05
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?

not really... i like Australia
Lashie
09-05-2005, 08:16
not really... i like Australia

And now, after reading more posts it seems you all do too... :fluffle:
Potaria
09-05-2005, 08:25
I've made a couple of trips to Australia and was very taken with the place, particularly the area around Perth. It seemed like paradise to me... California weather without so damned many California people. And Australians are freer than Americans (more on that in a moment). The only reason I don't pursue this more seriously is the knowledge that Australia has very tight immigration laws, and it's extremely difficult to go there.

Sounds wonderful... Except for the difficulties!

As the months go on, I think more and more about moving to another country. America is becoming full of itself (well, more than it already was), the stupid people (for some odd reason) have the majority, and things are getting "difficult" (outsourcing is making it very hard to find good jobs).

My choices for another country? Well, that's not too difficult... Australia, Germany, France, the U.K., and possibly Italy. Though, John Howard's a bit of a turn-off for Australia...
Cabra West
09-05-2005, 08:34
hmmm, what do you think about the german education system--having a predestined career path chosen for you at the age of 12 doesn't sound appealing to me. it is my understanding that if you get sent to the 'tech school' (haptschule if i remember my german correctly) they will bar you from the university and you are screwed (if you ever wanted to attend one). what about compulory military service? when i was in germany, many germans were quite envious of americans not having to serve. government-forced retirement? limited access to high-powered assault weapons?

Right, I never thought I would ever do that again, but I have to defend Germany here.
First, education. It's true, if you've finished "Hauptschule", you don't have the qualification to go to university (might have something to do with the fact that you are only 15-16 years old at that time), but you have the option to finish an apprenticeship and then go back to school and qualify for university. Or else you can take an extra-test and continue school until you are qualified for university. So, no, in Germany you are NEVER barred from university and nobody chooses your career when you're 12.
More importantly still, these options I listed above are real options, that is to say they don't include the phrase "if you/your parents have the money...." They are government funded. The father of a close friend of mine for example finished "Hauptschule", became a baker, set up a bakery, had his kids, went back to school and is now studying to become a doctor.

As for military service, yes, I think this should be abolished. But it is not absolutely compulsory, we are not talking Isreal here. Both my brothers shose the civilian option, one of them worked with handicapped people, the other one in a home for old people. You always have the option ...

About the limited access to weapons... I'm actually really glad that this is the case all over Europe. If you absolutely need weapons to be happy, you can get them. It's just that you have to justify your need for the option to kill other people.
NERVUN
09-05-2005, 08:54
I can vouch for that. I have family from Japan and they've spent some time in some very cold climate.
It's not so much that Japan is cold, it's that the Japanese have yet to realize the benifits of central heating and insulation in housing. Last winter, my toothpaste froze soild!

Okinawa's warm though.

I do love Japan though, my Japanese fiancee and I are torn actually between living in Japan or America. We'll either live for a time in both... or move to Canada.
See u Jimmy
09-05-2005, 08:56
I love the UK (even the weather), But I would consider living in Barbados :D
I would like to visit/stay in Canada, New Zealand, Australia.

Why I haven't? Family. They are the No1 thing in my life and their all here. The No2 thing is Freinds their here too, so I wont ever go away for more than a couple of years at a time.

My Ideal, would be to have 2 places one here and one in Barbados. Than I could take holidays to Canada and NZ.
The Plutonian Empire
09-05-2005, 08:57
Yes, to canada, because of the re-election of Bush.
LazyHippies
09-05-2005, 10:03
I considered moving to Quebec to begin my life after graduating from college, but discovered that getting the proper credentials to find employment there would be too difficult without having work experience yet or knowing French. So, I moved to the US instead. The reason? lack of good employment opportunities in my country.
Spaam
09-05-2005, 10:07
Possibly NZ, UK, or Hawaii...

But I'd LOVE to live in Vancouver :D
Dudyconstructor
09-05-2005, 10:22
yes, there are many places out there.
I personally would move to Europe or South America
Europe: UK or Italy
South America: Brazil.
Yellow Snow in Winter
09-05-2005, 10:23
I'd like to live and work abroad a couple of years, get some perspective and all that. I'd really like to go to the US (and see what all the fuss is about), South America, Asia and revisit some of the places in Europe I've been to as a kid.

Ultimately I'd stay in Finland though, it's small, clean and safe. I can't think of a better place for my (future) kids to grow up and get an education in.
Kanabia
09-05-2005, 10:27
Though, John Howard's a bit of a turn-off for Australia...

We'll get rid of him, don't worry. I've got the coup planned already :p
WadeGabriel
09-05-2005, 10:41
I'm currently persuing a physics degree in Australia. Nice weather, great beaches!!!, and a slower and more relaxed pace of life as I've observed. :)

I came from Singapore btw. Kinda missed the big shopping areas that opens till late night, and the food back at home though. Well actually Singapore's kinda like Taipei I think, 'cept the weather I guess.
Mazalandia
09-05-2005, 11:38
As long as I can vote and try to persuade others to vote for causes dear to me, I don't want to live anywhere other than the U.S. It's certainly far from perfect, but I can't think of any other nation on Earth where an individual has more opportunities to live the life he or she wants to live.

But if the day ever comes - and it seems to be approaching - that my opinion is no longer consulted and the powers that be decide to autocratically rule without consent of the governed (me), I'd seriously consider taking my family on a life-long vacation.

I'm biaist but australia is better
Less crackpots, crime, guns, stupid court cases, conservatives, raging fundamentalists, gun nuts, state variance in legislation and people.
Note to left-wingers who know australian politics
Howard is still more liberal then the American Democrats
Greedy Pig
09-05-2005, 12:35
For me it's either Australia or NZ. I got tons of family and friends there already. Kinda like my second home.

It's a good place to raise a family and it's multicultural. Good :)
Nirvana Temples
09-05-2005, 13:27
i thought about it, but ultimatly i wouldnt, although i cant think of a place id ever enjoy living in, i just think the usa is the best place to live
Kanabia
09-05-2005, 13:34
Note to left-wingers who know australian politics
Howard is still more liberal then the American Democrats

No he's not. What do you base that on?
Czardas
09-05-2005, 13:39
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?I've lived in other countries before, and have considered moving from the USA to just about anywhere else when I finish school.
Czardas
09-05-2005, 13:43
No he's not. What do you base that on?...hmmm...perhaps the fact that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans is anywhere near my own belief system, 'nuff said?

Practically everyone is more liberal than the American Democrats, except for the Republicans.
Weikel
09-05-2005, 13:51
I swore that I'd move to Canada if Bush won and that's exactly what I'm going to do next year when I turn 18.

Go ahead, then we might be able to keep the liberals out of the west wing!
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But about the moving to a country thing, I'd go to Germany. Good beer. If not there It would definitely be in Europe. Greece or Italy maybe, rich culture, rich history, beautiful women.
Demented Hamsters
09-05-2005, 13:59
I'd recommend moving to another country to work and live. If nothing else, it makes one more aware and more appreciative of what one has back home.
It's always good to broaden one's horizons by interacting with other people around the world. You're less likely to become biased and intolerant that way.
Eynonistan
09-05-2005, 14:00
Might have to think of moving to Strasbourg in the next few years depending on a few factors. I'd certainly quite like to spend some time living in France...
Kanabia
09-05-2005, 14:13
...hmmm...perhaps the fact that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans is anywhere near my own belief system, 'nuff said?

Practically everyone is more liberal than the American Democrats, except for the Republicans.

Do the Democrats support mandatory detention of illegal immigrants for indefinite periods of time, amounting to half-decades or more?
Do the Democrats direct political preferences to parties who have members that advocate burning lesbians at the stake?
Do the Democrats advocate privatising education and cutbacks in health and social welfare?
Do the Democrats advocate cutting taxes for the wealthy, while introducing a regressive 10% sales tax that inequitably affects the poor?
Do the Democrats advocate reducing worker's rights with legislation exempting small businesses from unfair dismissal laws, and attack the trade union movement?

Neither of our major parties are anywhere near my belief system either. Doesn't mean that every other country is better off than mine. I'd say Howard is more right-wing than your Democrats on most issues.
Paradiesonearth
09-05-2005, 14:29
you could work as a nurse... we need some of them, or a priest, we're also running out of them(which is incerdibly surprising) or you could be a dentist, we definatly need loads of them.

Basically this would be a good idea, but there are a few problems: I can't stand the sight of blood or needles, I choose a section with disqualfies me from any medical work ( I choose A1, our local literature section) (so much for the nurse or the dentist) and being an atheist, I think I have little chance of becoming a cleric...
I'm going to start my study in novembre, and when I'm finished, I'll be a german/ history teacher....
Castrated Monkey
09-05-2005, 14:34
I hae lived in the city AND the country. I prefer the country. The city is too fast paced and rude.


Seriously, I would move to another country if they would promise not to cut my head off because I am an American. With all of the anti-American sentiment out there, it makes it difficult to want to travel, let alone move.

If I was going to leave the cradle of humanity that is the US, I would love to live in Canada. I have travelled through a couple of times, and apart from that little run in with the RCMP, I thought the whole of the country was beautiful. Of course, I only saw the portion from Regina, west.
Yellow Snow in Winter
09-05-2005, 14:56
Seriously, I would move to another country if they would promise not to cut my head off because I am an American. With all of the anti-American sentiment out there, it makes it difficult to want to travel, let alone move.
You could wear an anti-Bush T-shirt, you'd be the most popular american in no time. :D
Pure Metal
09-05-2005, 15:02
Have you ever considered moving to another country? If so, why? If not, why?
i plan to move to Amsterdam

reason: the UK stinks
Demented Hamsters
09-05-2005, 15:10
i plan to move to Amsterdam

reason: the UK stinks
You could always try to encourage them to wash more often.
Demented Hamsters
09-05-2005, 15:11
If I was going to leave the cradle of humanity that is the US, I would love to live in Canada. I have travelled through a couple of times, and apart from that little run in with the RCMP, I thought the whole of the country was beautiful. Of course, I only saw the portion from Regina, west.
This run-in doesn't have any bearing on your name, does it?
Potaria
10-05-2005, 02:50
We'll get rid of him, don't worry. I've got the coup planned already :p

*packs bags*

Oh, don't worry. I've got plenty of things I could use as weapons in there ;).

*has always wanted to be part of a coup*