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The Dangers of Christ

Domici
06-05-2005, 21:48
Q: What is Christianity?

It is a neo-pagan cult that originated in the Roman Empire and appears as a sort of "pure religion" (no such thing though). It commands its adherents to accept neither a sect nor an organization with specific leaders and structures, yet it has many of each. It is simply a current of esoteric thought that any person can follow without any particular commitment except to recognized authority figures such as "the Pope" or "Pat Robertson," without any consistent moral or spiritual precepts.

Q: What does this current of thought suggest?

It is a mixture of paganism, miracle-working, superstition, and dangerous group-though excersises. In addition, it gives exaggerated veneration to a political philosopher from Nazareth, to the point of divinizing and adoring him. Christian followers believe in heaven, which they regard as a "rapture of the soul." They practice a series of mystical rites: from "gifts of love" to ceremonies to become rich or "attract money." Which often consist of sending money to the authority figures mentioned in the previous question.

At times they turn to spirits, non-physical entities or pagan false-gods, such as praying to the middle eastern god of the Hebrew tribe, or the political philosopher Jesus who was diefied as the Roman god of wine, bread, and getting nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be if everyone was nice to each other.

Q: Why does Christianity appear as "good religion"?

Because Christian followers say that they don't want to harm anyone and that they reject Satanism (yet they accept militant and capitalistic governments, a favorite of the devil). However, from my point of view, Christianity cannot be regarded as a positive cult.

However, it suggests rituals that seek to exercise power over people. Such as "mega-church" prayer services. However, human beings are not puppets who can be controlled as one wishes... Usually.

Another negative aspect is that of superstition. Christian followers are convinced that a ghost, some television talk show hosts, and begging the sky for favors contain particular energies capable of producing effects on daily life. Thus they end up by becoming slaves to talk-show hosts, idols, crucifixes and old fairy tales. Not to mention quite simply it is occultism, enough said.

Q: Is it true that Christianity is popular among young people?

Unfortunately, yes. Some movies and telefilms have made Christianity popular. Some magazines for adolescents also speak of it frequently, proposing it as a kind of "religion."

Girls in particular are fascinated by the idea of being "pure Christians," and they use prayer rituals to solve problems of daily life. They shut themselves in their room and prepare real ceremonies with candles, portraits, bibles and little altars dedicated to some strange pagan divinity or evil demon.

Q: Do you think this has risks?

The risk of hiding behind Christianity is clear. It is the invitation to believe that there is a "good magic," a kind of "ally" to resolve the problems of everyday life -- a life that, in the case of many young people, is dominated by loneliness, the absence of conversation in the family, difficulties with studies and with the first steps in the working world.

When one is with others in a similar situation it is easier to be a victim of propoganda and superstition. One latches on to everything, including a pop idol. From my point of view, Christianity finds fertile ground in the life of many young people who are often faced with difficult family situations, lack of communication, silence, disappointments and uncertainty about the future.

Not to mention that these pagan rituals are like an invitation to the Devil. While Christians may claim to have no connection to the Devil, thier idol worship and veneration of pagan false-gods pleases Satan.

Q: What effect can Christianity have on young people's behavior?

In the long term, there is the risk of spreading improper commitment among young people. They trust something that is outside their own life to resolve a problem. Young people become committed to achieve a dangerous objective, giving everything to a so-called educator or leader.

It is the law of "I want all problems to be solved now." Do I like a girl? Instead of winning her over by being pleasant and tender, the Christian follower will turn to a Church and seek to have her brainwashed likewise. Do I have doubts about the future? Instead of using his head to find an intelligent solution to the problem, he entrusts himself to Christianity. The same thing happens with school and university examinations.

Also, Christianity can be seen as a gateway to even worse occultism. One day one could be a Christian, the next the could be a Muslim or Hare Krishna.
Czardas
06-05-2005, 21:51
The irrationalisms of religion summarized in a single post.

I don't agree with it all. Christianity isn't all bad. People should be allowed to practice it; it just shouldn't interfere with the communal rights. I.e. the state should not favor Christianity over other religions or display Christian religious symbols where it does not display Jewish or Muslim ones.
Cirsica
06-05-2005, 21:51
Har har. Funny. But the "Christians" you refer to are actually closer to "Catholics".
Haloman
06-05-2005, 21:52
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

I don't disrespect your religion, you don't disrespect mine.
Frangland
06-05-2005, 21:52
hmmm....

hilarious.
Perezuela
06-05-2005, 21:53
Hare Krishna.
Haha.
Drunk commies reborn
06-05-2005, 21:53
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.
A christian posted a very similar thread about wicca today. This thread is a pardoy of that one. I don't think anyone deserves a beating for posting a nice parody.
2E1HSB
06-05-2005, 21:54
That wasn't a very good way to retaliate.
San haiti
06-05-2005, 21:54
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

If you think its horrible, read this thread first.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417405

though he basically stole my idea as i already posted something like this in the other thread.
Harlesburg
06-05-2005, 21:54
This is errornous in the fact that all the churches would prefer to be the only one.
Unfortunatly there were seperations from the and so we have many one thing is for Certain they all accept JC is Great(Except the Eastern Orthodox who think hes rather Topnotch)

You also say many movies make Christianity popular but there are more that makeit seems evil.

Why do you have to be so mean. :(

*Runs away*
Alien Born
06-05-2005, 21:55
Har har. Funny. But the "Christians" you refer to are actually closer to "Catholics".

Catholics are christians, or did you think they were Shinto or Candomblé?
Haloman
06-05-2005, 21:55
A christian posted a very similar thread about wicca today. This thread is a pardoy of that one. I don't think anyone deserves a beating for posting a nice parody.

Although I'd hardly consider Wicca a religion, the christian shouldn't have posted it. And this is no way to retaliate, either.
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 21:56
Oh, grow up.
Sinuhue
06-05-2005, 21:56
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

I don't disrespect your religion, you don't disrespect mine.
Hmmm...did you post this threat of physical harm in the thread "Dangers of Wicca", which this thread is mocking?

By the way, such threats are reportable. (Edit: reported)

To Domici...imitating a many-times-banned troll probably won't get you any brownie points mod-wise...
Gartref
06-05-2005, 21:57
Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.



What ever happened to turn the other cheek? You just proved most of the points in the initial post.
Troon
06-05-2005, 21:57
Am I the only one who realises this is a parody of that Wicca thread?

Congratulations, sir. I found it very funny. I suggest everyone go and look at the aforementioned other thread, if they have not done so already.

Carry on.

Edit: Scratch that, Drunk Commies realised.
Perezuela
06-05-2005, 21:57
Hmmm...did you post this threat of physical harm in the thread "Dangers of Wicca", which this thread is mocking?

By the way, such threats are reportable.

To Domici...imitating a many-times-banned troll probably won't get you any brownie points mod-wise...
You should be mildly beaten with a rubber weapon for posting this.
Cirsica
06-05-2005, 21:58
Catholics are christians, or did you think they were Shinto or Candomblé?

Yes, Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics. I'm a fierce Protestant, and (although I appreciate the humor here) I would be somewhat annoyed if I were casually classified in the same group as Catholics.
Inbreedia
06-05-2005, 21:58
Unfortunately, this article is coloured by the author's anti-christian bias. If one is to comment about religion, they should not, I repeat, NOT have a problem with christianity in the first place.

I find this article uninformed, opinionated and just plain poor. In other words... STFU!

(BTW, what is it about this message board and the constant religious fights?)
Haloman
06-05-2005, 21:59
What ever happened to turn the other cheek? You just proved most of the points in the initial post.

Figure of speech anyone?
Czardas
06-05-2005, 21:59
Hmmm...did you post this threat of physical harm in the thread "Dangers of Wicca", which this thread is mocking?

By the way, such threats are reportable. (Edit: reported)

To Domici...imitating a many-times-banned troll probably won't get you any brownie points mod-wise...Let's boycott this thread. Both of the posters did something frowned upon by the mods.
Sinuhue
06-05-2005, 21:59
:rolleyes: I hate it when people don't get context.
Sinuhue
06-05-2005, 22:00
Let's boycott this thread. Both of the posters did something frowned upon by the mods.
I can't help it...it's like watching a train wreck about to happen...
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:01
You should be mildly beaten with a rubber weapon for posting this.Rubber weapons can hurt.

I should know. I've used them.
Mannschaft Seig
06-05-2005, 22:01
Needless to say if one didnt read that post about wicca this is offensive. The "opinions" that are written by this poor misguided person are very ignorant. They are just that opinions. Misinformed opinions that are wildly out of sight. Christianity and satanism are just a matter of perspective. This goes across the line and is just as i said an ignorant post that should be locked/deleted. Refering to something as a "cult" that is a religion that many practice is just stupid. Keep your ignorance to yourself. None of these "opinions" are true and anyone who takes them to heart is a brain doner. Ignorance still amazes me more and more every day.
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:02
I can't help it...it's like watching a train wreck about to happen......and being helpless to stop it. Only one person can stop it—
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 22:03
Needless to say if one didnt read that post about wicca this is offensive. The "opinions" that are written by this poor misguided person are very ignorant. They are just that opinions. Misinformed opinions that are wildly out of sight. Christianity and satanism are just a matter of perspective. This goes across the line and is just as i said an ignorant post that should be locked/deleted. Refering to something as a "cult" that is a religion that many practice is just stupid. Keep your ignorance to yourself. None of these "opinions" are true and anyone who takes them to heart is a brain doner. Ignorance still amazes me more and more every day.

Why do people get so mad about others' opinions? I mean, honestly...if they're stupid, you should pity them.
Troon
06-05-2005, 22:04
Unfortunately, this article is coloured by the author's anti-christian bias. If one is to comment about religion, they should not, I repeat, NOT have a problem with christianity in the first place.

I find this article uninformed, opinionated and just plain poor. In other words... STFU!

The thread starter was pointing out everyone's hypocrisy (can I call it that? Sure, why not...)

Basically, the Wicca guy managed to say a bunch of terribly nasty things about the subject, and no-one really complained that much (except those who realised he could easily have been talking about Christianity). And yet, when similar things are said about Christianity, everyone takes great offense.

Is that fair?
Massmurder
06-05-2005, 22:04
i've got an idea. Let's all see how many times we can say "ignorant" in a single post. Now die, thread, die.
Sinuhue
06-05-2005, 22:05
Main Entry: sat·ire

1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly ;)
Mannschaft Seig
06-05-2005, 22:05
not mad just amazed and sort of offended. I know that people will all have their own opinions. Dont get me wrong.
Artamazia
06-05-2005, 22:08
Funny how this is getting about 10x the flames the Wicca one got.
Frangland
06-05-2005, 22:09
maybe if i post scripture, it'll be shut down.

Matthew 28

The Resurrection
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

5The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."

8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

The Guards' Report
11While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Chicken pi
06-05-2005, 22:10
not mad just amazed and sort of offended. I know that people will all have their own opinions. Dont get me wrong.

It's a satire. Yes, it sounds extreme. That's because the thread starter was attempting to follow the basic theme of the Wicca thread (i.e. making wild assertions with little grounding in fact).

Funny how this is getting about 10x the flames the Wicca one got.

Funny, that. Most of the responses in the Wicca thread are either refuting the guy's argument or saying how funny he is.
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:15
It's a satire. Yes, it sounds extreme. That's because the thread starter was attempting to follow the basic theme of the Wicca thread (i.e. making wild assertions with little grounding in fact).



Funny, that. Most of the responses in the Wicca thread are either refuting the guy's argument or saying how funny he is.And the Wicca thread was formed by one of NS's most notorious trolls who is something like the 4th incarnation of the original nation, having been deleted several times.

Neither of these threads has any grounding in fact, or very little. They should be locked or deleted. They are flamebaiting, and against the rules. It's funny flamebaiting, but still flamebaiting.
Mannschaft Seig
06-05-2005, 22:15
just read the other one and would like to apoligize for getting so fired up. My bad if not to use a cliched phrase. I guess we christians are "radical" about our beliefs. ;)
2E1HSB
06-05-2005, 22:15
I was aware this was a parody of the Wiccan thread, and I'm aware of it being, well, basically taking the piss out of the guy for stereotyping, but like I said earlier, was this really the way to react?
Duke Barol
06-05-2005, 22:17
hi
Frangland
06-05-2005, 22:22
yah, i finally got the joke too.

DOH!
Syniks
06-05-2005, 22:22
;) (satire)
Who needs Satire when reality itself does a fine job of mocking...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/photos/chi-050419virgin-photogallery.photogallery
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:22
hi....Well?
UberPenguinLand
06-05-2005, 22:26
Seems people finally realized it's a joke/humor. I'm a Christian myself, and I'm not offended. And am I the only Christian here, whose church actually PROMOTES drawing your own conclusion from the Bible?
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 22:28
Seems people finally realized it's a joke/humor. I'm a Christian myself, and I'm not offended. And am I the only Christian here, whose church actually PROMOTES drawing your own conclusion from the Bible?

Mmm...well, there are such things as general and special revelation, but I won't get into that.

I think people have just been giving this way too much bait.
Chicken pi
06-05-2005, 22:29
I was aware this was a parody of the Wiccan thread, and I'm aware of it being, well, basically taking the piss out of the guy for stereotyping, but like I said earlier, was this really the way to react?

In retrospect, it probably would have been better for this to have been posted on the Wicca thread. Still, I think the intentions behind this thread were good. I think the thread starter was trying to show Commando how the Wicca thread appears to other people.
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:31
In retrospect, it probably would have been better for this to have been posted on the Wicca thread. Still, I think the intentions behind this thread were good. I think the thread starter was trying to show Commando how the Wicca thread appears to other people.I haven't even seen the Wicca thread, but it's probably just about the same kind of thing. Prejudice against Wiccanism = prejudice against Christianity. And this was indirect flamebaiting, so it's not as bad.
Rubina
06-05-2005, 22:36
Although I'd hardly consider Wicca a religion, the christian shouldn't have posted it. And this is no way to retaliate, either.And luckily, it's not up to you to decide what is or isn't a religion.
Frisbeeteria
06-05-2005, 22:42
YNeedless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

I don't disrespect your religion, you don't disrespect mine.
Haloman you're the one that's out of line. That's a) flaming / threatening, and b) not a very Christian attitude from someone who's defending Christianity.
And luckily, it's not up to you to decide what is or isn't a religion.
Nor what gets posted on NationStates. Max has made it very clear that he wants all sorts of opinions, even unpopular and politically incorrect opinons, to be debated on these boards ... as long as it is done in a civil manner. Haloman, you failed that test.

The original post could be read as opinion, trolling, or satire. I'm going with satire, as most of the other readers agreed.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023)
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 22:43
A religion doesn't have to be about God. It's about what you believe in, what you have faith in...
Czardas
06-05-2005, 22:50
Haloman you're the one that's out of line. That's a) flaming / threatening, and b) not a very Christian attitude from someone who's defending Christianity.

Nor what gets posted on NationStates. Max has made it very clear that he wants all sorts of opinions, even unpopular and politically incorrect opinons, to be debated on these boards ... as long as it is done in a civil manner. Haloman, you failed that test.

The original post could be read as opinion, trolling, or satire. I'm going with satire, as most of the other readers agreed.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator
The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023)Thank you for the clarification.
Domici
06-05-2005, 22:54
I haven't even seen the Wicca thread, but it's probably just about the same kind of thing. Prejudice against Wiccanism = prejudice against Christianity. And this was indirect flamebaiting, so it's not as bad.

I started this thread by copying and pasting the origional and then substituting the word Christian for Wicca. The only other modifications were for the sake of logical cohesion. The two are almost identical otherwise. There was quite a bit I could have added to criticize Christianity (creationism, The Passion etc.), but the point I was going for wasn't really about Christianity. The origional poster may have been a troll, but I've heard similar arguments from actual pundits talking about fringe religions, and in the case of Pat Robertson, Hinduism and Islam, and they all annoy me tremendously.

I'm surprised that so many people took it seriously in the first place. I guess I should have checked to see how recent the "Dangers of Wicca" thread was, but I would have thought that the Hitchhiker's reference about "getting nailed to a tree" would have clinched it.
Artamazia
06-05-2005, 22:55
A religion doesn't have to be about God. It's about what you believe in, what you have faith in...

Wait, so if I believed in unicorns, that would be my religion?

re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1 a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
(dictionary.com)

If you're talking about the first usage, then yes, a religion does have to include some sort of god, or "supernatural power".

BTW, Wiccans believe in a god and a goddess.
Domici
06-05-2005, 23:00
Wait, so if I believed in unicorns, that would be my religion?

All bow to the invisible pink unicorn. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn) She is all knowing and brooks no insolence.
Australus
06-05-2005, 23:13
Because Christian followers say that they don't want to harm anyone and that they reject Satanism (yet they accept militant and capitalistic governments, a favorite of the devil). However, from my point of view, Christianity cannot be regarded as a positive cult.

Interestingly, myself and the vast majority of my fellow parishioners at my church were aggressively opposed to the Iraq War, and most of us have very left-leaning tendencies. In addition, the Pope as well as the Archbishop of Canterbury were officially opposed to the Iraq war as well.

Education, my friend. Do your homework on what you're talking about before you make such claims, or at least hang out with different Christians of different opinions.

Cheers.
Gartref
06-05-2005, 23:20
Well, of course, Christ is dangerous.

He is not only dangerous - he kicks ass. I ran a Christ character in my last D&D game. He wielded a Cat-o-nine-tails that was +3 vs. Moneychangers and posessed a ring of cheek-turning. He also had the psionic abilities of healing and walking on water. Christ could also regenerate hit-points quickly. I don't care how bad he was wounded - he would be back to 100% in no more than 3 days.
Frangland
06-05-2005, 23:20
All bow to the invisible pink unicorn. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn) She is all knowing and brooks no insolence.

SEXIST FEMINAZI WHORE!

hehe
Chaosmanglemaimdeathia
06-05-2005, 23:22
Yeah, i hear they're cannibals who eat their messiah. ::eye roll::
Domici
06-05-2005, 23:27
Because Christian followers say that they don't want to harm anyone and that they reject Satanism (yet they accept militant and capitalistic governments, a favorite of the devil). However, from my point of view, Christianity cannot be regarded as a positive cult.


Interestingly, myself and the vast majority of my fellow parishioners at my church were aggressively opposed to the Iraq War, and most of us have very left-leaning tendencies. In addition, the Pope as well as the Archbishop of Canterbury were officially opposed to the Iraq war as well.

Education, my friend. Do your homework on what you're talking about before you make such claims, or at least hang out with different Christians of different opinions.

Cheers.

Now find me a Christian communist.

I'm aware that many actual Christians were against the war, but the most influential brands here were very pro-war. And most pro-war people were Christians. Only a handful of Zionist Jews threw in with Dubya. Of course they're just a tool of some very large monied interests, but their devotees think that they're being good Christians by doing things like not drinking wine, even though Christ advocated wine drinking, and Pat Robertson has come right out and said that even though Christians are supposed to be pacifists, Christian countries are supposed to go to war whenever they see something they don't like. Even genocide against non-Christians is a-ok in Robertson's view because it means that there will be fewer net occupants of hell if infidels are killed before having children.

The same sorts of Christians that never shut up about how evil other religions are are the same ones that are pro-war. They're also the only ones I complain about, by and large. Usually my only complaint about the Catholic church is that they could make the world a much better place if they'd just give a little on the safe sex thing.
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:16
The same sorts of Christians that never shut up about how evil other religions are are the same ones that are pro-war. They're also the only ones I complain about, by and large. Usually my only complaint about the Catholic church is that they could make the world a much better place if they'd just give a little on the safe sex thing.
So you're just insulting the stupid Christians? That's noble of you.

I like it how people on these forums insult races, religions, and any other group of people you can think of because they think they know what everybody in the religion is like. You're no better than the common idiot telling racist jokes, or hocking anti-christian propaganda on the street. Sure there are idiots in my religion, there are idiots in every religion, race, forum. But don't think that a religion is "dangerous" because we have a few dislikeable charecters running around in high ranking positions. The religion over all is quite nice. you can choose to not believe, and i'm fine with that. You can choose to dislike the pope or some warhawk christians that would love to kill an "A-rab" or two, and i won't take offense. but saying that my religion is a bunch of bullshit and that we're just a bunch of dangerous cult goers....that's just insulting. I realize that you think that the church is just a bunch of antiquated geezers that don't like to modernize, but they have excellent reasons for not allowing same sex marriages, contraception, and other debateable stances...i'll spare you the agony of listening to antothers beliefs, but in turn, you must agree to calming down about the "christians are idiot brainwashed cult followers" stance.

don't let a few bad apples...
Chicken pi
07-05-2005, 00:21
but saying that my religion is a bunch of bullshit and that we're just a bunch of dangerous cult goers....that's just insulting.

don't let a few bad apples...

The original post was a spoof of this thread about Wicca. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417405&page=1&pp=15)
Free Soviets
07-05-2005, 00:29
Now find me a Christian communist.

http://www.jesusradicals.org/
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:30
ohhhhhhhhhhh, i see, so you're just insulting that guy that doesn't like "Wicca"? good jest. that guy does come off quite pompus.
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:32
http://www.jesusradicals.org/
whoa....anarchist christians....sweet
Reticuli
07-05-2005, 00:33
This is the single most hilarious thread I've seen today. A true parody of that stupid "The Dangers of Wicca" thread.

:D :D :D :D :D
Reticuli
07-05-2005, 00:35
whoa....anarchist christians....sweet

I never thought I'd hear the words "Anarchist" and "Christians" in the same sentence, other than "Right-wing Christians hate Anarchists"
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:35
I started this thread by copying and pasting the origional and then substituting the word Christian for Wicca. The only other modifications were for the sake of logical cohesion. The two are almost identical otherwise. There was quite a bit I could have added to criticize Christianity (creationism, The Passion etc.), but the point I was going for wasn't really about Christianity. The origional poster may have been a troll, but I've heard similar arguments from actual pundits talking about fringe religions, and in the case of Pat Robertson, Hinduism and Islam, and they all annoy me tremendously.

I'm surprised that so many people took it seriously in the first place. I guess I should have checked to see how recent the "Dangers of Wicca" thread was, but I would have thought that the Hitchhiker's reference about "getting nailed to a tree" would have clinched it.
yea, maybe you should have been like "parody warning, do not get pissed off...i don't like this guy so i made fun of his religion a bit....DON'T hate all christians" that would have been nice
Neo-Anarchists
07-05-2005, 00:36
http://www.jesusradicals.org/
Awesome.
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 00:39
Unfortunately, this article is coloured by the author's anti-christian bias. If one is to comment about religion, they should not, I repeat, NOT have a problem with christianity in the first place.

I find this article uninformed, opinionated and just plain poor. In other words... STFU!

(BTW, what is it about this message board and the constant religious fights?)


My, oh, my.

I can just hear your reaction to A Modest Proposal (http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/modest.html):

Unfortunately, this article is coloured by the author's anti-child and anti-Irish bias. If one is to comment about sound social policy, they should not, I repeat NOT have a problem with cannibalism or starvation in the first place.

I find this article uninformed, opinionated and just plain poor. In other words... STFU!

And, btw, no one who has a problem with christianity should comment on religion? WTF?

"My cow is sacred. Feel free to discuss the other cows. But only say nice things about my cow."
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:43
"My cow is sacred. Feel free to discuss the other cows. But only say nice things about my cow."
hahahahaha, yea i see now, i was a bit apprehensive at first, but you're right, some people(that dude that hated wicca) in my religion are gonna try to bash others' so i must be ready for them to retaliate...it's only fair.
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 00:44
I haven't even seen the Wicca thread, but it's probably just about the same kind of thing. Prejudice against Wiccanism = prejudice against Christianity. And this was indirect flamebaiting, so it's not as bad.

:confused:

And the Wicca thread was formed by one of NS's most notorious trolls who is something like the 4th incarnation of the original nation, having been deleted several times.

Neither of these threads has any grounding in fact, or very little. They should be locked or deleted. They are flamebaiting, and against the rules. It's funny flamebaiting, but still flamebaiting.

So, you feel free to call thread you haven't even seen flamebait and declare for it being locked.

A) Lighten up

B) People can discuss religion. They can even make fun of it. Get over it.
Free Soviets
07-05-2005, 00:45
I never thought I'd hear the words "Anarchist" and "Christians" in the same sentence, other than "Right-wing Christians hate Anarchists"

oddly enough, christianity plays a rather significant role in the intellectual history that leads to anarchism. it's that whole "no masters but god" thing, and the communal impulses that have been with christianity from the beginning really.
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:46
:B) People can discuss religion. They can even make fun of it. Get over it.
agreed
Tirnanog89
07-05-2005, 00:47
oddly enough, christianity plays a rather significant role in the intellectual history that leads to anarchism. it's that whole "no masters but god" thing, and the communal impulses that have been with christianity from the beginning really.
rock on Christianity...break those shackles...burn those bras....light that ish....smoke that ish....pass that ish!
El Deablo
07-05-2005, 00:52
R u saying that Christanity is a bad thing?
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 00:55
oddly enough, christianity plays a rather significant role in the intellectual history that leads to anarchism. it's that whole "no masters but god" thing, and the communal impulses that have been with christianity from the beginning really.

You just love to mess with peoples minds don't you?

Watch out kids! Here comes Free Soviets with his paradigm scrambler! :D
Artamazia
07-05-2005, 01:03
R u saying that Christanity is a bad thing?
This just made me laugh.
I'm sorry, I know I should be more respectful.
Free Soviets
07-05-2005, 01:07
You just love to mess with peoples minds don't you?

just a little

Watch out kids! Here comes Free Soviets with his paradigm scrambler! :D

it's really more of a death ray
Legless Pirates
07-05-2005, 01:08
This sounds like a movie
Jaghur
07-05-2005, 01:13
if you're serious, Domici, keep this to yourself
Erlotta
07-05-2005, 01:21
Two wrongs have never made a right (but three lefts have been known to).

Needless to say, parodying something that puts some third party down is not a mature use of time. I ask as humbly as I can that you please try to refrain from such posts in the future, as many who read them find them derogatory.

It truly saddens me that someone calling themself a Christian would do what they did, and it saddens me even more that someone else sees this as the 'Christian' thing to do, when never did Christ affirm these types of actions.

I implore those reading this: Please. Do not think that all Christians are this way, and for the love of all things holy, please do not let the actions of a few affect the opinions you have of the Christian Faith. We are not perfect, either.

Please send me telegrams for more information.
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 01:33
*snip*

though he basically stole my idea as i already posted something like this in the other thread.

Sue! Sue!

I happen to know some excellent IP lawyers ....
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 01:41
This is errornous in the fact that all the churches would prefer to be the only one.
Unfortunatly there were seperations from the and so we have many one thing is for Certain they all accept JC is Great(Except the Eastern Orthodox who think hes rather Topnotch)

You also say many movies make Christianity popular but there are more that makeit seems evil.

Why do you have to be so mean. :(

*Runs away*

:eek:

GALAHAD: Is there someone else up there we could talk to?

FRENCH GUARD: No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a! [sniff]

ARTHUR: Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.

FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache.)

OTHER FRENCH GUARD: Quoi?

FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache!) [mooo]

ARTHUR: If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall--

[twong]

[mooooooo]

ARTHUR: Jesus Christ!

KNIGHTS: Christ!

[thud]

KNIGHTS: Ah! Ohh!

ARTHUR: Right! Charge!

KNIGHTS: Charge!

[mayhem]

FRENCH GUARD: Hey, this one is for your mother! There you go.

[mayhem]

FRENCH GUARD: And this one's for your dad!

ARTHUR: Run away!

KNIGHTS: Run away!

:D
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 01:45
Oh, grow up.

Right back at ya, kiddo. Right back at ya.
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 01:56
I was aware this was a parody of the Wiccan thread, and I'm aware of it being, well, basically taking the piss out of the guy for stereotyping, but like I said earlier, was this really the way to react?

Untwist your knickers.

So, they took a piss at your religion. So what? If it was witty, laugh. If it wasn't, don't. No need to get all huffy.

Ever read A Modest Proposal (http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/modest.html) by Jonathan Swift? That would have really upset you.
The Cat-Tribe
07-05-2005, 01:59
Interestingly, myself and the vast majority of my fellow parishioners at my church were aggressively opposed to the Iraq War, and most of us have very left-leaning tendencies. In addition, the Pope as well as the Archbishop of Canterbury were officially opposed to the Iraq war as well.

Education, my friend. Do your homework on what you're talking about before you make such claims, or at least hang out with different Christians of different opinions.

Cheers.

Look up "satire" in the Dictionary. Education, my friend.
The Border Colonies
07-05-2005, 02:08
Well, I think the poster should have taken into account the fact that many of the people reading the post wouldn't have read the other. It would have been more proper to post it in the thread concerning Wicca as a retort. It would probably have been more effective there whereas here it has only sparked a small flame war.
Norkshwaneesvik
07-05-2005, 02:30
Seems people finally realized it's a joke/humor. I'm a Christian myself, and I'm not offended. And am I the only Christian here, whose church actually PROMOTES drawing your own conclusion from the Bible?

Depends. What church do you belong to?
Club House
07-05-2005, 03:14
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

I don't disrespect your religion, you don't disrespect mine.
look at commandos anti-wiccan post. he discrespects wiccans, people disrespect his religion.
Kleptonis
07-05-2005, 22:28
if you're serious, Domici, keep this to yourself
Read the thread. Or at least read the first 10 posts. It's made clear pretty quickly after this thread was made that it's a satire of another thread.
Mekonia
07-05-2005, 22:54
Eh your title is going a bit far. I am quite suspect of christianity, even tho I am supposed to be a Catholic. I love a good bitching session about the chruch. But for some reason the title of this thread is really disrespectful.
Before you can fully critise religion you need to study more than your own.
Have you? Only then will you realise that several of the major religions of the world are all variations of each other :mad:
Chicken pi
07-05-2005, 23:02
Eh your title is going a bit far. I am quite suspect of christianity, even tho I am supposed to be a Catholic. I love a good bitching session about the chruch. But for some reason the title of this thread is really disrespectful.
Before you can fully critise religion you need to study more than your own.
Have you? Only then will you realise that several of the major religions of the world are all variations of each other :mad:

This thread is a satire of a similarly bigoted thread about Wiccans.

Maybe Domici should edit the original post to include a link to the other thread with a disclaimer in big red letters, as a lot of people don't seem to be bothering to read anything beyond that first post.
Bullets and lies
07-05-2005, 23:04
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. you made fun of somethingI beleive in. wa wa wa.
Tograna
07-05-2005, 23:38
You should be banned for this. Thanks for inviting flames. I'd take the time to shame you myself, but it's not worth my time.

Needless to say, you should be savagely beaten for posting this.

I don't disrespect your religion, you don't disrespect mine.


tell me would you respect a raving lunatic telling you that you're not worthy of god and how we're all evil evil people and only by doing what we're told can we ever hope to become half decent human beings, because that what I'm seeing,

I'm a tad annoyed with all these people who come on these forums, say some thing vaugly anti religion and then effectivly apologise for it,

for those of you out there who cant deal with it, I'm going to spell it out, I don't respect your beliefs one bit, and frankly I couldn't care less if you're offended by that, actually i'm glad.