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Let's pretend for a moment.

Kejott
06-05-2005, 20:24
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

What is your religion?

Why do you recommend your religion?:

How do you know it to be true?

What makes your religion the right one?

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?
Whispering Legs
06-05-2005, 20:30
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

Why do you recommend your religion?:

How do you know it to be true?

What makes your religion the right one?

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

You need to find your own Way.

I don't recommend my religion.

It's true for me.

It's right for me.

I've had personal experiences that show me that it's right for me.
Kejott
06-05-2005, 20:32
You need to find your own Way.

I don't recommend my religion.

It's true for me.

It's right for me.

I've had personal experiences that show me that it's right for me.

That's probably the best and most intelligent response I've ever heard pertaining to similar situations such as this.
Whispering Legs
06-05-2005, 20:38
That's probably the best and most intelligent response I've ever heard pertaining to similar situations such as this.
Yes. Go figure. I'm a Pentacostal, and they're all about a personal experience with God. Works for me. Everyone finds something.
Yupaenu
06-05-2005, 20:43
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.
Why do you recommend your religion?:

because it's closest thing i can find to being true, and having people believe in lies slows down society, they should be killed.

How do you know it to be true?

i don't, i just know that others are wronge and this atleast isn't wronge. things can be proven wronge, but not proven right or existant.

What makes your religion the right one?

nothing does, 'cept that most of the others are wronge, and this makes the most sence out of any one i've found yet.

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

nope.
East Canuck
06-05-2005, 20:47
You need to add the "what is your religion?" question to know who's talking about what. I could go on an on about how my religion is great and all-inclusive and all and yet you'd never know what religion I am talking about.
Fass
06-05-2005, 20:48
because it's closest thing i can find to being true, and having people believe in lies slows down society, they should be killed.

I guess your religion isn't exactly the religion of peace. Irony, on the other hand...
Jordaxia
06-05-2005, 20:50
Even though I'm athiest, for sheer chance of being correct, I have to say the Egyptian religion/mythology would be the best to follow. With three thousand Gods to choose from.... there's a far higher chance that the right one will be in there somewhere. :D
Gartref
06-05-2005, 20:51
You need to pick a Religion, huh?

Here's what you do: Pick any Religion - doesn't matter. Then God will give you a chance to switch to another Religion. If you drop your initial Religion and switch - you'll have a 2/3 chance of picking the correct one.
Kejott
06-05-2005, 21:01
You need to add the "what is your religion?" question to know who's talking about what. I could go on an on about how my religion is great and all-inclusive and all and yet you'd never know what religion I am talking about.

Good point, I shall add it.
Kejott
06-05-2005, 21:03
You need to pick a Religion, huh?

Here's what you do: Pick any Religion - doesn't matter. Then God will give you a chance to switch to another Religion. If you drop your initial Religion and switch - you'll have a 2/3 chance of picking the correct one.

How about throwing the names of all the religions in the world together in one pot and mixing them all around and randomly picking one? Wouldn't the "power" of god "magically" pick the correct one? Surely god would want you to pick the right one if "he" truly existed.
Robbopolis
06-05-2005, 21:18
What is your religion?

Why do you recommend your religion?:

How do you know it to be true?

What makes your religion the right one?

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

I'm a Charismatic Jesus freak.

It's truth about the world and who we are as people.

Historical evidence and personal experience.

Everything else that I have encountered has seemed to be lacking something, either intellectually or spiritually.

Again, historical evidence and personal experience.
Bullets and lies
06-05-2005, 21:20
Discordianism

You get to be pope

All things are true.
Even false things?
Yes.
How can that be?
Idont know man, I didn't do it.

It's not right, its just more fun
Krakozha
06-05-2005, 21:21
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

What is your religion?

Why do you recommend your religion?:

How do you know it to be true?

What makes your religion the right one?

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

I'm Catholic

I wouldn't recommend my religion to my worst enemy.

Because the Catholic church is corrupt.

I would recommend you choose something that allows you to follow what you wholly believe in your heart to be right. I think the only way to do that is to start your own church
Frangland
06-05-2005, 21:32
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

What is your religion?

Why do you recommend your religion?:

How do you know it to be true?

What makes your religion the right one?

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

1. Christianity (Protestant)

2. I believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father, IE, to heaven. Christianity also provides a strong moral framework by which to live your life. It also offers FORGIVENESS for any wrong you have done. It would behoove me to tell others of this if I gave a rat's ass about them.

3. By grace and faith, primarily. There are too many miracles in the Bible to be arbitrarily explained away as mere "bullshit". No magician could take two loaves of bread and five (right?) fish and feed thousands of people. No one presently alive could heal people simply by touching them or on command... etc. It also makes sense in that mankind is lost... we're chasing our tails, lost in wickedness, corruption, vanity, and deceit. It makes sense that someone would come to save us, to show us a better way. Finally, this is free. All one has to do is believe. It's not like it was back in the middle ages with the Catholics where you had to pay for your relatives to get into heaven... no, no. Jesus says that if we believe in him, he'll save us. He paid the price on calvary.

4. MY religion is the right one for all those who suffered before they knew Christ who found peace and succor in Him; for all the lives changed by Him. For me, it drives me to do good for others. I am human and therefore naughty by nature, but I have knowledge of a great way to live my life. I do not always do it. I won't be a hypocrite. But the knowledge is there and I do take Jesus' command to love my neighbor as myself very seriously.

5. Faith, and that which has been noted above. Jesus basically sacrificed himself so that we would not all be eternally damned. I'd say we owe him our thanks. And whether or not you ask him into your heart, he did make a fine example for how to live your life.
Yupaenu
06-05-2005, 21:39
I guess your religion isn't exactly the religion of peace. Irony, on the other hand...

actually it's supposed to be a peacefull religion, it's just i'm very bad at it. and that they really should be killed.
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 21:46
My religion has the most rewards. :p It's called faith.
HotRodia
06-05-2005, 22:04
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

I'm not much for playing pretend, but...

What is your religion?

Catholicism

Why do you recommend your religion?

Beautiful liturgy, sense of tradition (often taken too far), well-developed theology (though not perfect, IMO), a variety of spiritual traditions available within it.

How do you know it to be true?

I don't believe that anything can be known or proven, so that's sort of an irrelevant question for me.

What makes your religion the right one?

That all depends on what you're looking for in a religion.

Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)?

Can you support any sort of belief without a circular argument of some kind? I've never encountered anyone whose belief system was not one complex or simple circular argument, so I doubt it. :)
Calculatious
06-05-2005, 22:09
I don't believe in a deity. The law of reason and nature are my guide. Everything eventually can be explained.
Calculatious
06-05-2005, 22:17
"I don't believe that anything can be known or proven, so that's sort of an irrelevant question for me."-Hotrodia


Can the oxygen content of the air be proven? Can you know the oxygen content of the air after it has been proven? Your statement is irrelevant.
Lochiel
06-05-2005, 22:19
Everything eventually can be explained.

*falls down laughing*
HotRodia
06-05-2005, 22:21
"I don't believe that anything can be known or proven, so that's sort of an irrelevant question for me."-Hotrodia


Can the oxygen content of the air be proven? Can you know the oxygen content of the air after it has been proven? Your statement is irrelevant.

Thank you for informing me. I had no idea. ;)
Calculatious
06-05-2005, 22:23
Reality exists because I see, hear, taste, feel and experiance it every day. I have no need for God(s) to explain reality or placate my fears about the unexperianced. I have known therefore I will know.
HotRodia
06-05-2005, 22:30
Reality exists because I see, hear, taste, feel and experiance it every day. I have no need for God(s) to explain reality or placate my fears about the unexperianced. I have known therefore I will know.

Whoa! We have a preacher. Preach on, brotha. :)

Maybe you could start a new thread for your preaching?
Rebecacaca
06-05-2005, 22:33
I'm Catholic

I wouldn't recommend my religion to my worst enemy.

Because the Catholic church is corrupt.

I would recommend you choose something that allows you to follow what you wholly believe in your heart to be right. I think the only way to do that is to start your own church

So why do you follow it?

There are hundreds of churches in the world, or you could always just keep your faith private, rather than going to chuch every week, I keep a stack of books which I refere to when I am unsure on things, and they have been much more useful than years of going to church were.
Frangland
06-05-2005, 22:39
Reality exists because I see, hear, taste, feel and experiance it every day. I have no need for God(s) to explain reality or placate my fears about the unexperianced. I have known therefore I will know.

but you don't know what happens when we die. For that matter, neither do I, but I'm not foolish enough to assume that I will be able to judge myself if there is an afterlife.
Chaosmanglemaimdeathia
06-05-2005, 23:00
Let's pretend that I'm in search of a new way to lead my life by religion, but I don't know which religion to choose in fear I may pick the wrong one(remember I'm pretending, I have no actual interest in following a religion). For the religious people on this board please post a proposal in this format.

What is your religion?
Gnostic-Christian-Buddhist. Not necessarily in any particular order.

Why do you recommend your religion?:
i can talk to God whenever and wherever i want, and attend church/temple as i feel i need guidance, i can decide the truths of interpretation myself, and if i get them all wrong, i get as many more shots as i want before i get my ultimate reward. What's not to love?

How do you know it to be true?
Because ultimately, only i can decide what truth is for myself.
What makes your religion the right one?
i'm not really for people making their religion the "Right" one for everyone, but for me it's the right one because it's the one that gives me comfort, guidance and a good feeling of morality about myself.
Can you support what makes your religion the right one without using circular logic(example: god exists because the bible says so)? Well, all logic is ultimately self-referential, isn't it? i mean, on a basic level, even accepting that a conclusion follows from given premises requires an act of faith. Just as logic can be "proved" when logical progressions yield factual predictions of literal events, so can religions be "proved" to be the "right" ones for a given individual's viewpoint.

Courtesy.
Chaosmanglemaimdeathia
06-05-2005, 23:03
Reality exists because I see, hear, taste, feel and experiance it every day. I have no need for God(s) to explain reality or placate my fears about the unexperianced. I have known therefore I will know.

Of course ultimately, you have to take it on faith that your senses are accurate means of discerning the world around you, and that your past is not a solipsist fantasy to reconcile your state of mind with your immediate sensations. But then, so does anyone, so you're not any better or worse off than the rest of us for it.
Calculatious
06-05-2005, 23:12
Of course ultimately, you have to take it on faith that your senses are accurate means of discerning the world around you, and that your past is not a solipsist fantasy to reconcile your state of mind with your immediate sensations. But then, so does anyone, so you're not any better or worse off than the rest of us for it.

I'm in luck! We have ways to test my senses. But I do agree we have to be our own skeptics.

Afterlife: I don't worry myself with an "aferlife" because I have a life to live. Would I rule out an afterlife? No. However, this does not mean that there is one.
HotRodia
06-05-2005, 23:15
Well, all logic is ultimately self-referential, isn't it? i mean, on a basic level, even accepting that a conclusion follows from given premises requires an act of faith. Just as logic can be "proved" when logical progressions yield factual predictions of literal events, so can religions be "proved" to be the "right" ones for a given individual's viewpoint.

Of course ultimately, you have to take it on faith that your senses are accurate means of discerning the world around you, and that your past is not a solipsist fantasy to reconcile your state of mind with your immediate sensations. But then, so does anyone, so you're not any better or worse off than the rest of us for it.

Spot on. And that's exactly what I don't like to spell out for people. It amazes me that so many people can have a belief system that's essentially a circular argument, and be rationalists, and still manage to find it questionable that a religion could be based on a circular argument but never consider that their own suffers from the same fate. I wonder what kind of crappy philosophy they're being taught.
Chaosmanglemaimdeathia
06-05-2005, 23:19
I'm in luck! We have ways to test my senses. But I do agree we have to be our own skeptics.

Afterlife: I don't worry myself with an "aferlife" because I have a life to live. Would I rule out an afterlife? No. However, this does not mean that there is one.

The problem is, the only ways we have of testing our senses depend on us already knowing the outcome of such a test.

Courtesy.
Robbopolis
06-05-2005, 23:28
I'm in luck! We have ways to test my senses. But I do agree we have to be our own skeptics.

I'm reminded of a philosopher (whose name I'm curretnly forgettting) that we've mentioned in class a few times. His proof of the external world is, "Here's one hand, here's the other." Rather begging the question, isn't it?