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i've seen some advertisements for the new movie Kingdom of Heaven, and i must admit i'm rather worried that it might turn out to be just something to burn the catholic church about the stupidity of the crusades...not that i care what happens to the catholic church, just that every time they get burned the rest of us christians manage to get burned too. i'm i just paranoid? whatta u think? and when ur reminded of something stupid the catholics did, do u think it reflects badly on the rest of the christian world?

i think you should see it before you judge.

im going to go to the 4 oclock show this afternoon, ill let you know.

i've seen some advertisements for the new movie Kingdom of Heaven, and i must admit i'm rather worried that it might turn out to be just something to burn the catholic church about the stupidity of the crusades...not that i care what happens to the catholic church, just that every time they get burned the rest of us christians manage to get burned too. i'm i just paranoid? whatta u think? and when ur reminded of something stupid the catholics did, do u think it reflects badly on the rest of the christian world?
I'm not that familiar with the film, but I strongly suspect that fundamentalists do far more damage to the image of Chrisianity and Christians than the Catholic Church has in over 2,000 years! :(

From what I've heard it's pretty even-handed, although fundamentalists from both sides have claimed it to be biased.

I'll comment more after I see it.

I remember reading that the director hates both Christianity and Islam, so a lot of people will die. Sweet.

I remember reading that the director hates both Christianity and Islam Ridley Scott is an avowed atheist. He certainly doesn't profess to "hate" either religion, he's simply indifferent to it.

I've been waiting at the edge of my seat for this movie to come out. I can't see it today but I'm aiming to see it tomorrow.

i think you should see it before you judge.

im going to go to the 4 oclock show this afternoon, ill let you know.
i will see it if i can, but i'm a bit young to go alone, none of my friends are free, and my parents don't like it when i go to R-rated movies, and they're the only people i can get money from. ty tho.

Ridley Scott is a great filmmaker ... arguably the greatest of all time. This should prove to be an amazing film and I am looking forward to seeing it.

As for whether or not it's going to be a religion bash-fest, I doubt it. More likely it will be an Orlando Bloom drool fest. Jeremy Irons is one of the most astounding actors ever, so even if it cheeses with the love story aspect, Irons will make up for all short comings.

I think these 'war' genre movies is getting kinda boring since LoTR. Seems to be too many nowadays that just love the big brainless battles.

They should do 'Berserk' (Japanese manga). Now thats a show worth watching :)

i will see it if i can, but i'm a bit young to go alone, none of my friends are free, and my parents don't like it when i go to R-rated movies, and they're the only people i can get money from. ty tho.
It's rated R? Around here it's 13+...

i will see it if i can, but i'm a bit young to go alone, none of my friends are free, and my parents don't like it when i go to R-rated movies, and they're the only people i can get money from. ty tho.
i dont remember how old you are but when my son was under the age for R rated movies i was very careful about what id let him see. this movie wouldnt be on my list of banned movies. talk to your parents about it, show them a review and i bet they would agree with me that its the kind of R thats acceptable.

i've seen some advertisements for the new movie Kingdom of Heaven, and i must admit i'm rather worried that it might turn out to be just something to burn the catholic church about the stupidity of the crusades...not that i care what happens to the catholic church, just that every time they get burned the rest of us christians manage to get burned too. i'm i just paranoid? whatta u think? and when ur reminded of something stupid the catholics did, do u think it reflects badly on the rest of the christian world?

I would suggest you study up on the Crusades, they aren't as damning to Catholism as you may have been led to believe. They where wars of defence against aggression, not imperialism driven by religious fanatics.

As for the movie, I play MMOs with a fellow who is in it as a extra of sorts. I'm going to try and find him. :D

I would suggest you study up on the Crusades, they aren't as damning to Catholism as you may have been led to believe. They where wars of defence against aggression, not imperialism driven by religious fanatics.

As for the movie, I play MMOs with a fellow who is in it as a extra of sorts. I'm going to try and find him. :D
the later ones were defense, true, but other than a pre-emptive strike, like the ones the US is doing in the middle east, i see no point to the first ones but to "take the holy land", which, frankly, sounds like an excuse for bloodshed to me. by the way, i'm 15, so if it's 13+ where u are, i should be fine...canadian movie ratings are way too strict.

Does anyone else find it slightly disturbing for Hollywood to release a major motion picture about the Crusades given the current levels of anti-American sentiment in Muslim nations? Yes, I'm going to see the movie, but the timing just seems a little off to me...

Ridley Scott is an avowed atheist. He certainly doesn't profess to "hate" either religion, he's simply indifferent to it.
Oh good. I was afraid it was going to be something crazy fundamentalist painting the Crusades as good and Muslims as EEEEEEEEEVIL!

the later ones were defense, true, but other than a pre-emptive strike, like the ones the US is doing in the middle east, i see no point to the first ones but to "take the holy land", which, frankly, sounds like an excuse for bloodshed to me. by the way, i'm 15, so if it's 13+ where u are, i should be fine...canadian movie ratings are way too strict.

Wrong! The First Crusade was the direct result of Seljuk Turkish aggression against Constantinople. The bulk of the Middle East and Northern Africa was either Christian or Jewish before Islam literally sprung out of nowhere (It started with one man and spread at the edge of a blade). When the population shifted towards Islam they began regularly murdering Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. That, along with wholesale conquest of nations, was what sparked the first Crusade. As the Muslims where taking land in Turkey, Constantinople sent a plea for help to Rome, their answer was a Crusade.

Please, read up before making baseless statements.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6981/defense.htm
http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
http://www.probe.org/docs/crusades.html
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/crusades_05.htm

i've seen some advertisements for the new movie Kingdom of Heaven, and i must admit i'm rather worried that it might turn out to be just something to burn the catholic church about the stupidity of the crusades...not that i care what happens to the catholic church, just that every time they get burned the rest of us christians manage to get burned too. i'm i just paranoid? whatta u think? and when ur reminded of something stupid the catholics did, do u think it reflects badly on the rest of the christian world?
Blame the Catholics. Same old story.
How can you blame Catholics of today for something past Catholics did.
If you are going to do that you should blame the nations that took part in it like France and England not the Catholics, most of all you should blame England.
I think that, for the time, it was the best cause of action to take.
They went with the notion that defending their religion and 'the holy land' was what was expected of them.

According to some British Crusade historians who have seen the film, Saladin is shown in a massively favourable light in order to appease Muslin audiences.

It looks really good and like most Hollywood movies is probably 13% fact and 87% money-maker so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Hell even Black Hawk Down (based on an actual event) had fictionalized elements in it that weren't actually what happened so go figure...Thou shalt not learn history from Hollywood (should be a commandment, it's more useful than the others).

According to some British Crusade historians who have seen the film, Saladin is shown in a massively favourable light in order to appease Muslin audiences.
It's because Saladin rocks.

According to some British Crusade historians who have seen the film, Saladin is shown in a massively favourable light in order to appease Muslin audiences.

I have always personally had a lot of respect for Saladin, as far as historical figures go he was far from a bad chap.

i've seen some advertisements for the new movie Kingdom of Heaven, and i must admit i'm rather worried that it might turn out to be just something to burn the catholic church about the stupidity of the crusades...not that i care what happens to the catholic church, just that every time they get burned the rest of us christians manage to get burned too. i'm i just paranoid? whatta u think? and when ur reminded of something stupid the catholics did, do u think it reflects badly on the rest of the christian world?

From the ads, I think it looks like it's glorifying the crusades a little too much, and making them look honourable and heroic. I could be wrong, But hey, you guys got the Passion of the Christ, we get to burn you!

From the ads, I think it looks like it's glorifying the crusades a little too much, and making them look honourable and heroic. I could be wrong, But hey, you guys got the Passion of the Christ, we get to burn you!

Read those links I posted. You may be surprised.

I don't care who gets burned, I just want to see a bunch of guys getting cut up with swords.

What?

I don't care who gets burned, I just want to see a bunch of guys getting cut up with swords.

What?

Nothing. :D

Wrong! The First Crusade was the direct result of Seljuk Turkish aggression against Constantinople. The bulk of the Middle East and Northern Africa was either Christian or Jewish before Islam literally sprung out of nowhere (It started with one man and spread at the edge of a blade). When the population shifted towards Islam they began regularly murdering Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. That, along with wholesale conquest of nations, was what sparked the first Crusade. As the Muslims where taking land in Turkey, Constantinople sent a plea for help to Rome, their answer was a Crusade.

Please, read up before making baseless statements.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6981/defense.htm
http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
http://www.probe.org/docs/crusades.html
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/crusades_05.htm

Kind of ironic that the 4th crusade never made it to the Holy Land, and instead conquered Constantinople by suprise, and then attempting to destroy the Empire and Catholocize the Orthdox Empire for 60 some years. Whicn in turn opened Constantinople up to relentless assault from the Seljuk Turks, which then led to the Turkish Occupation (Ottoman Empire) of the Middle East, the Balkans, and Greece, which led to millions of Christian deaths under Mustafa Kemal.....

The Byzantine Empire and the Orthodox Church tried to stay out of the Crusades as best as they could, that is until the Western Catholic Europeans brought the Crusades to them.

Even more ironic since when the first crusade turned up, Constantinople didn't want them. They were hoping to get some heavy calvery, not a holy horde.

I'm wondering about 2 things

1) How bad is the movie?

2) Has Orlando finally taken some riding lessons? (his riding "skills" in LOTR were a joke, poor horse, getting kicked in the ribs all the time)

It looks like yet another medieval war movie. Ill skip it.

I think these 'war' genre movies is getting kinda boring since LoTR. Seems to be too many nowadays that just love the big brainless battles.

They should do 'Berserk' (Japanese manga). Now thats a show worth watching :)

That show lost me entirely when they featured about 15 attempted rapes of the female lead. I was getting really sick of that woman warrior being cornered every 15 minutes and going weak-kneed. She was supposed to be the 2nd best warrior in their group and they gave her no credit at all, it was sick.

By the time they stopped fighting humans and started in with the demons I was a little disappointed. I then found out the manga was all about the demon stuff and was even more disappointed.

Sorry for the thread hijack btw.

I just hope they have the Children's Crusade in there to remind people about the ...er.. power of faith.

:D

I seen it last night, enjoyed it, good film. Orlando Bloom can't act for shit though which spoils it a bit.

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

:D

Sorry.

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

:D

Sorry.

Peversely scientisits have proven that the reverse is also true:
Every gal in Istanbul
Lives in Constantinople, not Istanbul
So if you've a date in Istanbul
She'll be waiting in Constantinople.

This means that it is impossible to get a date with a girl in Constantinople/Istanbul (or at least proove you got a data) since she'll always be waiting somewhere else.
The scientists go on to conclude that it is impossible for a scientist to proove that they can get a data, and since nobody beleives they can get a date; they state that the very notion of a date is laughable and that dates simply do not exist.

According to some British Crusade historians who have seen the film, Saladin is shown in a massively favourable light in order to appease Muslin audiences.


History has shown Saladin to be a very honourable man. When Richard was sick with fever Saladin sent him his personal doctor and gifts of medicine. This changed the way that the Crusaders cared for their wounded.

History has shown Saladin to be a very honourable man. When Richard was sick with fever Saladin sent him his personal doctor and gifts of medicine. This changed the way that the Crusaders cared for their wounded.


Great info page on Saladin here:

http://www.islamic-study.org/saladin-body.htm

We really need a new Saladin to show up.

Great info page on Saladin here:

http://www.islamic-study.org/saladin-body.htm

We really need a new Saladin to show up.

Thanks alot for that link. I watched a series on the crusades on the history channel a few years ago that really impressed me.

Ok, I've seen the movie now, which I'd give *** by the way, and can confirm that there really isn't anything inflammatory regarding who was "right" in the capture of Jeruselum. (It doesn't actually show any of the crusades, merely what occured between the first and second).

Both religions and factions are given fair ground, and on the whole it is very equal in it's representation. The Islamic armies don't suffer from "stormtrooper syndrome", ie faceless evil masses who we are glad to see killed.