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Ok, it really is a suicide, but it's a really weird one.
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/81D7AF8D987DF4B186256FF600160051?OpenDocument

*snickers*

Wow.

Damn -------------

"Nonn also said that he had seen cases before where an initial suicide attempt failed, but a person persisted and ultimately succeeded. Several years ago a Madison County man cut his wrists, neck, arms and ankle, but when that failed, he sealed himself in a garage with a running car and died of carbon monoxide poisoning."


I can see the wrists,arms and ankles not doing the trick.. but the neck? :confused: I guess they could've missed the big artery.. but trying that hard I think they would've caught it.

Oh, this WILL be on Fark, you better believe it.

Another odd death story: there was an advisor to Czar Nicholas II of Russia (last czar before communism) known as "The Mad Monk". I forget his real name. He was a monster of a man, totally corrupt, but could calm the Czar's son. The Czar thought he was a saint and did whatever he said, but everyone else hated him. A bunch of people decided he couldn't be around anymore for the czar's own good, and decided to kill him.

They poisened his wine (he drank 2 bottles of it), poisened his food, shot him, beat him over the head, and he was still alive. Eventually they had to cut a hole in the frozen river and shove him under to totally get rid of him.

Some people just don't die.

Ok, it really is a suicide, but it's a really weird one.
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/81D7AF8D987DF4B186256FF600160051?OpenDocument
Where is Dirk Gently when you need him?!?

Another odd death story: there was an advisor to Czar Nicholas II of Russia (last czar before communism) known as "The Mad Monk". I forget his real name.
Rasputin

Usually I'd feel bad for someone who committed suicide, but in this case all I can ask is why didn't he do it sooner? It would have saved some little girl a lot of pain.

Rasputin
Thanks, not being able to remember his name was getting annoying.

I've watched things about Rasputin on history channel .. TLC .. something or other. But they never talked about his death. Just his control over the Imperial Family. His eyes were wicked looking.. but thought maybe he just had some major charisma and brainwashing skills (sorta like Manson- his eyes were crazy too).

Thanks, not being able to remember his name was getting annoying.

I'm playing Shadow Hearts 2: Covenant for the PS2 on the weekendsl amazing game, whimsical and funny at times, but set in WW1 so it has tragedy as well.

The big bad guy in the game IS Rasputin. So I get to kill him eventually. I look forward to shoving him under the ice.

I wonder how many HP the real Rasputin had...

It's pretty interesting how he got so much power, he was able to calm down the Czar's son, who had hemophilia. Nobody else could do it, and the Czar thought him a saint.

I've watched things about Rasputin on history channel .. TLC .. something or other. But they never talked about his death. Just his control over the Imperial Family. His eyes were wicked looking.. but thought maybe he just had some major charisma and brainwashing skills (sorta like Manson- his eyes were crazy too).
ohhh you really need to read up on him, he is one of the great figures of history.

there was one story I read a long time ago. a man, jumped off of his apartment building and was shot as he passed a window 3 stories down. what happened was that his mother, was going to disown him and cut off his inheratence. so knowing that his father would ritualisticaly threaten her with the shot gun over the mantel when ever they argued, he loaded the shotgun and waited. after several weeks, the couple showed no sign of getting into an argument, he grew dispondant, went to the top of his apartment building and jumped off... unknown to him, the father and mother got into an argument, the father grabed the shotgun and it went off, missing her and hitting him.

After the police questioned them, learning about the husbands ritual and bogus threat with the shotgun, and realizing that neither of them knew that the shotgun was loaded, and finding the son's partial print on the shotgun shell, the police ruled then ruled... Suicided... after all, he rigged the shotgun and placed himself in the path of the bullet.

Unfortunatly, I can't remember where I read this... it was during a speech given by a police inspector.

there was one story I read a long time ago. a man, jumped off of his apartment building and was shot as he passed a window 3 stories down. what happened was that his mother, was going to disown him and cut off his inheratence. so knowing that his father would ritualisticaly threaten her with the shot gun over the mantel when ever they argued, he loaded the shotgun and waited. after several weeks, the couple showed no sign of getting into an argument, he grew dispondant, went to the top of his apartment building and jumped off... unknown to him, the father and mother got into an argument, the father grabed the shotgun and it went off, missing her and hitting him.

After the police questioned them, learning about the husbands ritual and bogus threat with the shotgun, and realizing that neither of them knew that the shotgun was loaded, and finding the son's partial print on the shotgun shell, the police ruled then ruled... Suicided... after all, he rigged the shotgun and placed himself in the path of the bullet.

Unfortunatly, I can't remember where I read this... it was during a speech given by a police inspector.Urban legend.

Ok, it really is a suicide, but it's a really weird one.
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/81D7AF8D987DF4B186256FF600160051?OpenDocument
The moral of this story is: if you want to make sure, use a weapon with a higher calibre than .22

I've seen men continue to fight after having been hit with several AK-47 rounds, much less .22!

Are we talking about Vince Foster?

Stupid fuck, if you're gonna off yourself with a .22 you need to do it through the eye or directly under the chin.

Stupid fuck, if you're gonna off yourself with a .22 you need to do it through the eye or directly under the chin.

I always liked the head on the train tracks method.

If you can actually keep your neck on the track while the train runs over it, then you were serious and your choice should be respected.

Otherwise, the drinking bleach method must come into play. I've read stories about people throwing themselves through 5th story plate glass windows in order to end the pain of bleach drinking.

I always liked the head on the train tracks method.

If you can actually keep your neck on the track while the train runs over it, then you were serious and your choice should be respected.

Otherwise, the drinking bleach method must come into play. I've read stories about people throwing themselves through 5th story plate glass windows in order to end the pain of bleach drinking.
I once drank a few chugs of windex. I was really drunk and my friend did it first and then dared me to. He said it was good. Suprisingly I didn't die.

And this is the problem with gun control.

I once drank a few chugs of windex. I was really drunk and my friend did it first and then dared me to. He said it was good. Suprisingly I didn't die.
Why is it surprising? ... specially the vinegar stuff? The other is just ammonia not good for you but it is fairly low content in windex

Why is it surprising? ... specially the vinegar stuff? The other is just ammonia not good for you but it is fairly low content in windex
So Windex is good for me, but I should stay away from bleach. Alright then, that clears some things up.

Bleach is bad for you. So is windex. Both should be OUTLAWED to protect our children from these harmful DRUGS!

I've heard of people surviving suicide attempts due to swallowing drano.

Yeah, that does not seem pleasant. Having your intestine sewn to your throat after you dissolve your esophogas does not sound good.

Ok, it really is a suicide, but it's a really weird one.
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/81D7AF8D987DF4B186256FF600160051?OpenDocument

Reminds me a bit of the delightful story I heard once about a kid that tried to commit suicide by jumping off a fifth-floor roof. He lived, but he snapped his neck, thus becoming a quadraplegic.

Stories like that warm my heart because they remind me that there is a God, and He has a twisted sense of humor. :)

Reminds me a bit of the delightful story I heard once about a kid that tried to commit suicide by jumping off a fifth-floor roof. He lived, but he snapped his neck, thus becoming a quadraplegic.

Stories like that warm my heart because they remind me that there is a God, and He has a twisted sense of humor. :)
Or just evidence of really stupid bastards who can't even kill themselves correctly.

If you can actually keep your neck on the track while the train runs over it, then you were serious and your choice should be respected.

I don't respect anyone who doesn't have the guts to do the deed himself, but has to get other people involved. I don't think running over a guy is a particularly good memory for the train driver, even if the victim wanted to die and there was nothing the driver could do. Things like that can cause permanent emotional damage. In fact, if I were to kill myself, I'd probably call the police beforehand so they could come in and collect the body. It wouldn't be as traumatic for them as it would to my wife/child/friend/maid to stumble upon the corpse.

Lol

there was one story I read a long time ago. a man, jumped off of his apartment building and was shot as he passed a window 3 stories down. what happened was that his mother, was going to disown him and cut off his inheratence. so knowing that his father would ritualisticaly threaten her with the shot gun over the mantel when ever they argued, he loaded the shotgun and waited. after several weeks, the couple showed no sign of getting into an argument, he grew dispondant, went to the top of his apartment building and jumped off... unknown to him, the father and mother got into an argument, the father grabed the shotgun and it went off, missing her and hitting him.

After the police questioned them, learning about the husbands ritual and bogus threat with the shotgun, and realizing that neither of them knew that the shotgun was loaded, and finding the son's partial print on the shotgun shell, the police ruled then ruled... Suicided... after all, he rigged the shotgun and placed himself in the path of the bullet.

Unfortunatly, I can't remember where I read this... it was during a speech given by a police inspector. It's from the movie Magnolia.

Rasputin
Not quite. According to Boney-M, his name was really:
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on


But I digress.
The guy in the news article deserves a mention for lousiest shot in the world award. These sort of cases are why I'm fervently for mandatory weapons training when getting a gun licence.

Do you reckon he win a Darwin award?

Ok, it really is a suicide, but it's a really weird one.
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/81D7AF8D987DF4B186256FF600160051?OpenDocument

Didn't use enough gun. A .22 is not enough gun.

Do you reckon he win a Darwin award?
Wouldn't think so. Darwin Awards are for people behaving stupidly and said stupidity getting themselves killed. This guy delibrately tried to top himself. He just weren't that successful at it, initially.

There has been a story about a man from a neighboring city who has killed his wife and then tried to kill himself.

He tried to hang himself and the rope snapped, he shot himself twice in the head (damn small caliber weapons) and was still going and when he finally headed to the roof to jump off he slipped on the stairs and broke his neck...

It's not always about the caliber of the weapon used. I once heard a story of a girl who killed herself with a shotgun, and it took two shots to finish the job. The first shot left her badly wounded, so she didn't miss, and at that range a shotgun blast has got to do some pretty serious damage no matter where it hits. It's amazing what a human body is sometimes cabable of surviving.

A .22 is the perfect weapon if you are putting it directly on the back of the victim's head-it will penetrate, but then bounce around enough inside to destroy the brain. This was a favorite of gangster's for executions for some time. The sound of the shot was usually small enough and muffled enough that it wouldnt attract attention.
Its a sad story this guy was so determined to die and he caused so much pain and damage before he was able to kill himself. I'm surprised that 5 bullets wouldnt kill him, but the jump worked. Did the fall kill him, or did he drown?

Weird, but he' make a very bad assassin.
Can't even finish himself off properly.

Another odd death story: there was an advisor to Czar Nicholas II of Russia (last czar before communism) known as "The Mad Monk". I forget his real name. He was a monster of a man, totally corrupt, but could calm the Czar's son. The Czar thought he was a saint and did whatever he said, but everyone else hated him. A bunch of people decided he couldn't be around anymore for the czar's own good, and decided to kill him.

They poisened his wine (he drank 2 bottles of it), poisened his food, shot him, beat him over the head, and he was still alive. Eventually they had to cut a hole in the frozen river and shove him under to totally get rid of him.

Some people just don't die.He didn't die for two days after that, by the way. The nobles came to look at him a few days later and his heart was still beating. After a short time he died of hypothermia.

He didn't die for two days after that, by the way. The nobles came to look at him a few days later and his heart was still beating. After a short time he died of hypothermia.
You best check your sources there. He was first poisoned (cyanide in his wine) and when that didn't work, shot several times. He was left for a short time and when they came back, they found Rasputin had crawled off. So they beat him heavily with chains and stabbed him (including, so the legend goes, cutting off his reputedly impressive schlong which supposedly is on display in the Moscow museum) and finally dumped the body in the river. When his body was dragged from the river a couple of days later, water was found in his lungs - indicating he was still alive when dumped and had drowned.

While an impressive cling to life, the thing to remember was that Rasputin was a tough old bastard from Siberia who had had a very hard life and the dainty nobles hadn't done a days work in their lives. So what they thought would be sufficient kill a person was piss-weak to someone like Rasputin. And as this thread shows, you can get shot several times and still function pretty well.


That reminds me about the 1916 Irish Uprising. In "Rebel: The Irish Rising of 1916" by Peter De Rosa, there was a bit in it about one Irishman who held off the British to let his compatriots escape. Because he was badly wounded he was left for dead. They heard him still singing a while later and came back to rescue him. Apparently he had been shot no less than 22 times and survived. Until the uprising of 1921 that is, when a fellow Mick shot and killed him.

there was one story I read a long time ago. a man, jumped off of his apartment building and was shot as he passed a window 3 stories down. what happened was that his mother, was going to disown him and cut off his inheratence. so knowing that his father would ritualisticaly threaten her with the shot gun over the mantel when ever they argued, he loaded the shotgun and waited. after several weeks, the couple showed no sign of getting into an argument, he grew dispondant, went to the top of his apartment building and jumped off... unknown to him, the father and mother got into an argument, the father grabed the shotgun and it went off, missing her and hitting him.

After the police questioned them, learning about the husbands ritual and bogus threat with the shotgun, and realizing that neither of them knew that the shotgun was loaded, and finding the son's partial print on the shotgun shell, the police ruled then ruled... Suicided... after all, he rigged the shotgun and placed himself in the path of the bullet.

Unfortunatly, I can't remember where I read this... it was during a speech given by a police inspector.


Isn't that a story from the begining of Magnolia? Except the way I remember it the father got arrested for murder because the bullet killed him before the fall did. That's what gives the story its impact, otherwise... "oh, so his suicide was ruled a suicide just because his accidental death that occured a billionth of a second before his real suicide was caused by his own actions in some circuitous way."

Much less impact than a father getting accused of the murder of his son just because he accidentally shortened his life by a billionth of a second, besides which he'd probably have survived the gunshot wound long enough to die from the impact on the ground. Like most urban legends this one relies on some sort of fear or irritation that the population at large feels powerless to do anything about. In this case being victimized by lousy decisions made by the thoughtless agents of a faceless bureaucracy.

Wouldn't think so. Darwin Awards are for people behaving stupidly and said stupidity getting themselves killed. This guy delibrately tried to top himself. He just weren't that successful at it, initially.

Well it's for people removing themselves from the gene pool. I think a small minority are for people who accidentally sterilize themselves.

One more persistent bastard from history to remember is Edward Teach AKA Blackbeard. In a single battle he was shot five times and stabbed more than twenty times before he finally died.

So Windex is good for me, but I should stay away from bleach. Alright then, that clears some things up.
Unless you're trying to commit a horrible suicide. Then you can mix windex and bleach and inhale the hydrazine and chloramine that is evolved. It'll burn your lungs out and ensure a painfull death.

Another odd death story: there was an advisor to Czar Nicholas II of Russia (last czar before communism) known as "The Mad Monk". I forget his real name. He was a monster of a man, totally corrupt, but could calm the Czar's son. The Czar thought he was a saint and did whatever he said, but everyone else hated him. A bunch of people decided he couldn't be around anymore for the czar's own good, and decided to kill him.

They poisened his wine (he drank 2 bottles of it), poisened his food, shot him, beat him over the head, and he was still alive. Eventually they had to cut a hole in the frozen river and shove him under to totally get rid of him.

Some people just don't die.

lol..good ol' Rasputin. I think he might've been hung,too.

As for that being a suicide..I'm a tad skeptical.