NationStates Jolt Archive

Sunderland South - Labour.
Majority 11059

They were saying that if he got 19,500 votes then the exit polls, showing Labour with a 66 seat majority, could be more or less accurate. less meant they were doing worse, more meant they were doing better

he got 17,800. If thats representative then its not looking good for Labour...

We're screwed if Labour are re-elected.

We're screwed if Labour are re-elected.
Better then than the Tories!

Between 66 and 80 was what I was thinking they would get, but who knows...its a long night!

Sunderland North - Labour. Majority 9995.

Houghton & Washngton East - Labour hold. Majority 16065.

Meh. As expected.

Meh. As expected.
Give it chance, anything could happen...might not, but might.

Rutherglen & Hamilton West - Labour hold. Majority 16112.

Barnsley Central - Labour hold. Majority 12732.

Rotherham - Labour hold.

Hull West & Hessle - Labour hold. Majority 9450.


Vauxhall - Labour hold.

Putney - Conservative gain. Majority 1766.

Tynebridge - Labour hold.

Newcastle Upon Tyne East - Labour.

Newcastle Upon Tyne Central - Labour hold. Majority 3982.

Eccles - Labour hold.

Sheesh, this is getting difficult to keep up with. Anyone else wanna go?

Eccles - Labour hold.

Sheesh, this is getting difficult to keep up with. Anyone else wanna go?

*cough*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/scorecard/html/scorecard.stm

*cough*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/scorecard/html/scorecard.stm
Yea, but thats to easy! :)

NPR was predicting Labour with an 80 seat majority this morning.

At this time the results are:

Labour - 50

Conservative - 1

Liberal Democrat - 2

Other - 1

Damn. That link is currently 18 seats behind. God damn it. I HATE LABOUR.

At this time the results are:

Labour - 50

Conservative - 1

Liberal Democrat - 2

Other - 1
according to who? :confused:

BBC still listing Labour at 21

according to who? :confused:

BBC still listing Labour at 21
ITV. Its at 60 Labour
2 Conservative
3 Lib-Dem
2 Other

Best channel is C-Span II. They've got the BBC special on it live. It's pretty interesting.

BBC website is far behind.

66-4-2-3

How miserable this election is. The rightwing twats currently in power are only opposed in any serious way by righterwing ubertwats.

The results:
New Labour 1
Democracy 0

How miserable this election is. The rightwing twats currently in power are only opposed in any serious way by righterwing ubertwats.

The results:
New Labour 1
Democracy 0
Err...New Labour isn't right-wing.

New Labour is definitely right of center, sorry to break it to you.

I want my nice Old labour back.

Hear hear.

Labour - 146

Conservative - 18

Lib-Dem - 9

Other - 5

New Labour is definitely right of center, sorry to break it to you.

I want my nice Old labour back.
They're a strange right wing party that redistributes wealth...errr, sounds left-wing to me.

Even the Tories tax and give welfare benefits, but you don't call tehm right wing.

Anyway, they aren't raising taxes for the rich like they should be doing, they dropped Clause 4, the evil gits, and they went to war. Not very left wing at all, that.

Anyway, those terms are subjective. They certainly aren't socialist like Old Labour.

Even the Tories tax and give welfare benefits, but you don't call tehm right wing.

Anyway, they aren't raising taxes for the rich like they should be doing, they dropped Clause 4, the evil gits, and they went to war. Not very left wing at all, that.

Anyway, those terms are subjective. They certainly aren't socialist like Old Labour.
I do call the Tories right-wing, don't you?
They aren't as socialist as "old" Labour, but they are still a left-wing party. Even socialists admit that!
Labour is a left leaning capitalist party, not as left as they were, but still left.

Labour - 196

Conservative - 29

Lib-Dem - 18

Other - 7

Go Captain Beanie! (Cardiff Central)

well Tony Blair has held his seat in Sedgefield

well Tony Blair has held his seat in Sedgefield
With a swing from the Conservative party and an increase in his majority.

Labour - 215

Conservative - 40

Lib-Dem - 23

Other - 7

He will win. He's on C-SPAN 2 right now about his seat.

Voting labour!!!!

How can so many Britions be so stupid

Voting labour!!!!

How can so many Britions be so stupid
And you would vote...?

Fucking hell, I'm ashamed of the majority of wankers in my country.

Hmm. I had thought Labour would win, but I hadn't thought they'd get such a large majority. And I had also thought the Lib Dems would be a tad ahead of the Tories. Ah well...

Labour - 236

Conservative - 50

Lib-Dem - 26

Other - 7

And you would vote...?I would Vote Lib-Dem.

I would vote for the Party that would get me out of the american quagmire...
There is one?

Labour - 243

Conservative - 60

Lib-Dem - 28

Other - 7

I would Vote Lib-Dem.
Damn, you updated whilst I was typing.

Good for you. Did you?

Damn, you updated whilst I was typing.

Good for you. Did you?yes I updated before you :D

too bad I cant vote...

But Im against the War... and there is 2 parties I would not vote for.

yes I updated before you :D

too bad I cant vote...

But Im against the War... and there is 2 parties I would not vote for.
I take it those two parties would be Labour and Conservative?
Just out of interest though, if you could vote, would your vote have been based solely around the War in Iraq, or would you have taken anything else into account? (I'm genuinely interested.)

Labour - 255

Conservative - 68

Lib-Dem - 32

Other - 9

Could someone explain the Conservatives' and LibDems' positions on issues? Forgive my ignorance.

... or would you have taken anything else into account?
Its not only about the War its about all the Lies and dead wisthtleblower and all the shit...

now tell me: what are the negatives about the Lib-Dem ???

What's a Canadian doing on the main panel on BBC election news? I wanted to see some whacky accents like in the movies.. I feel cheated. :(

Also, anyone see that "Raving Looney" Party guy? That was classic.

Its not only about the War its about all the Lies and dead wisthtleblower and all the shit...

now tell me: what are the negatives about the Lib-Dem ???
Directly, there is very little wrong with the Lib-Dems, and I wouldn't have been to disappointed had they been able to form a new Government (though I would have preferred opposition). The problem is is that many of there spending plans (much like the Tories) just don't add-up, but their advantage was they knew they weren't going to win, so they could make themselves more appealing.
Also, the Lib-Dems on a local level have often shown themselves to be very similar to the Conservatives in their policies (or at least near where I live) and are, if you look into many of their spending policies (except maybe the higher rate of tax for the higher earners) are very Thatcherite, see http://www.socialistunitynetwork.co.uk/electiion2005/nolibdem.htm

What's a Canadian doing on the main panel on BBC election news? I wanted to see some whacky accents like in the movies.. I feel cheated. :(

Also, anyone see that "Raving Looney" Party guy? That was classic.
The bus was hilarious. Also, after reading their sites I have to say I would vote for Kennedy. Of course I am a libertarian so unless there is a true liberal (the real meaning) It would go to the LibDems.

Could someone explain the Conservatives' and LibDems' positions on issues? Forgive my ignorance.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election2005/policyguide/law.html

Labour - 278

Conservative - 88

Lib-Dem - 34

Other - 12

The bus was hilarious. Also, after reading their sites I have to say I would vote for Kennedy.

I didn't know they existed until the guy was standing there on the stage on BBC via C-Span. I sure wasn't expecting a guy in a top hat and some kinda pinwheel pinned on. Funny stuff.

Fucking hell, I'm ashamed of the majority of wankers in my country.

Welcome, my British brethren. We've been waiting for you.

Err...New Labour isn't right-wing.

Funniest post evar.

Funniest post evar.
Doesn't make it any less true.

Bah, Labour held Tynemouth.

That angers me.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election2005/policyguide/law.html

Labour - 278

Conservative - 88

Lib-Dem - 34

Other - 12
I disagree with the Tories on immigration, terrorism, law and order, and a few others. I like their trade and business stance. I am horrified that someone would even propose national ID cards.

I didn't know they existed until the guy was standing there on the stage on BBC via C-Span. I sure wasn't expecting a guy in a top hat and some kinda pinwheel pinned on. Funny stuff.
I thought it was a joke.

Doesn't make it any less true.

Well, I am sure the fact that old Tony wants David Blunkett "back where he belongs" - and I am sure that he doesn't mean prison - indicates the exact opposite.

I disagree with the Tories on immigration, terrorism, law and order, and a few others. I like their trade and business stance. I am horrified that someone would even propose national ID cards.

Same here.

Well, I am sure the fact that old Tony wants David Blunkett "back where he belongs" - and I am sure that he doesn't mean prison - indicates the exact opposite.
Not really. Just because he's brought back into the cabinet, it doesn't mean he would be returned into the position of Home Secretary. Anyway, the main point in policy that people have a problem with is ID Cards, and ID cards aren't that bad an idea, I just disagree with the amount of info on them.

Labour - 287

Conservative - 103

Lib-Dem - 39

Other - 12

Not really. Just because he's brought back into the cabinet, it doesn't mean he would be returned into the position of Home Secretary. Anyway, the main point in policy that people have a problem with is ID Cards, and ID cards aren't that bad an idea, I just disagree with the amount of info on them.


Oh, just suck it up, New Labour is right wing. That's why they are winning. It's not like people voted for them because of the free higher education they guaranteed, or the lavish investment in a truly public NHS.

Oh, just suck it up, New Labour is right wing. That's why they are winning. It's not like people voted for them because of the free higher education they guaranteed, or the lavish investment in a truly public NHS.
They're on the left of centre, thus left-wing. They put more investment into public services and the NHS than any Government of recent time.
It would also be worth remembering that there has never been a free and "truly public" NHS.

It would also be worth remembering that there has never been a free NHS.

:confused:

That's not how I remember it.

Edit: And by that logic you could call Ronald Reagan centre left. Public expenditure in respect of Medicare and Medicaid were larger under him than under any other previous administration.

:confused:

That's not how I remember it.
Then fix your memory.
The NHS was set up as a free at point of service system, not a free system.

As far as I know, Labour are authoritarian neo-liberals, not too far off from the Conservatives.

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php

Then fix your memory.
The NHS was set up as a free at point of service system, not a free system.


Yah, every wage earner used to pay NHS, but there were never any extra fees. Also, it wasn't run under the auspices of local trusts with massively overpaid directors.

It's not the same. And you know it.

I don't think they're likely to get much attention, but the Scottish Nationalists have had a bloody good election. Conversely, Plaid Cymru haven't.

I'm quite interested in the performances of minor parties. Amusingly, UKIP and Veritas have been humbled. The Greens got 22% in Brighton Pavilion, which is bloody good, while Respect may get a seat in London.

Yah, every wage earner used to pay NHS, but there were never any extra fees. Also, it wasn't run under the auspices of local trusts with massively overpaid directors.

It's not the same. And you know it.
It's not the same. I never said it was the same. I merely argued that Labour was a left of centre party.
Things need changing, of that we agree, but we are more likely to see a more left-wing position held by Labour than any of the other parties (yes that includes the Lib-Dems).
You fail to realise that it is more expensive to take apart the systems that are involved in NHS and other services than it is to maintain them, at least in the short - medium term. However, you must accept that there is more money being spent on health, public services, transport, etc than has been spent since at least the 70's, if not earlier.
And before you start clamering about Clause 4, do you have any idea how much it would cost the state to nationalise all those industries sold off by the Conservatives during the 80's and 90's? With a cost nearing £1bn nationalising the railways in 1948, how much would it be today?

Just want to post a homage to Bob Marshall Andrews, former MP of Medway, greatest place in the world. shame he got booted out after so many years of winding Mr Blair up.

Nice One Mate.

Looks like Labour are taking the whole of Sheffield with huge majorities. I don't know why I bother voting, really; most people in Yorkshire haven't got a clue about politics, and just vote Labour automatically, because their grandad always did when he worked at t' mill.

Just want to post a homage to Bob Marshall Andrews, former MP of Medway, greatest place in the world. shame he got booted out after so many years of winding Mr Blair up.

Nice One Mate.
As someone who grew up in Tory stronghold Canterbury, I really sympathise with Marshall-Andrews, who somehow managed to be a proper lefty in a Kent constituency. No mean achievement.

It's not the same. I never said it was the same. I merely argued that Labour was a left of centre party.
Things need changing, of that we agree, but we are more likely to see a more left-wing position held by Labour than any of the other parties (yes that includes the Lib-Dems).
You fail to realise that it is more expensive to take apart the systems that are involved in NHS and other services than it is to maintain them, at least in the short - medium term. However, you must accept that there is more money being spent on health, public services, transport, etc than has been spent since at least the 70's, if not earlier.
And before you start clamering about Clause 4, do you have any idea how much it would cost the state to nationalise all those industries sold off by the Conservatives during the 80's and 90's? With a cost nearing £1bn nationalising the railways in 1948, how much would it be today?


If you look at my edit, you'll see that the amount of money spent on a public service does not necessarily indicate the party in question's political philosophy. And I don't think that new labour can be judged left wing philosophically, by any standard.

As to clause 4, I thought that it was just a commitment to full employment, and not a commitment to nationalization. (Especially as it pre existed British Leyland).

Also, I am a tory. Thank you.

Just want to post a homage to Bob Marshall Andrews, former MP of Medway, greatest place in the world. shame he got booted out after so many years of winding Mr Blair up.

Nice One Mate.
Er... bloody hell. He won after a recount!

Incidentally, Labour have definitely won the election.

Incidentally, Labour have definitely won the election.

And it's a good thing too.

Yeah, reduced majority is a good thing. I'd like to have seen more Lib Dem rather than Tory gains, but I can be a wishful thinker at times...

I like that Respect have a seat, but George Galloway is a really nasty piece of work.