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I am confused. I always thought that I was a conservative, but many of the people who call themselves conservative are nuts! I am a catholic and abide by the laws of my religion, but I am also an American. I believe that people should have the freedom to act as they choose so long as it does not bring harm to anyone else. I think that if homosexuals wish to get married (thus proving that they are committed and sharing things like tax burdens) that should be okay. I don’t care if people wish to be another religion. In fact, I find other religions fascinating, and at the base not that different from my own (harm none). Mostly I think that government should stay out of our personal lives, but I myself where conservative cloths, go to church every Sunday and the like. So I ask you, because you seem more aware of the terminology of the world, what am I conservative? Or would I be considered moderate?

labels are for jars, not people.

I think you might be libertarian...look into libertarianism, you might find yourself agreeing w/alot of it

Just believe what you want to believe. I know it feels good to feel you have a place in the game and other's you can relate to but there's hyporcritical bastards on both sides.

Good liberals: Give us freedom and change.
Bad liberals: Kill babies and let prisoner's go "Scott" free.

Good conservatives: Give us hope and much needed discipline.
Bad conservatives: Brainwash us and are a hateful breed.

We unfourtnatantly have a large quanitity of the "bad" ones in the U.S..

Just do me a favor, while I spear the nearest bad conservative you kick the nearest bad liberal square in the nuts. XP

sounds like a plan to me

Much of the political leaders who most aggressively claimn to be conservative are radicals rather than moderates. Being a moderate really has nothing to do with which viewpoint you hold, just to what extent you want them to be respected and imposed and how you go about achieving your goals.

Then in actuallity most political leaders are bleached in thier views. Considering they never get shit done.

You'r views and mine are similer:

I am a conservative.
I am anti abortion but will not force someone to not have one.
I'm also all-for other religions.
And I'm a strong hater of raceism.

However, I also support Bush and have 2 family members in Iraq and I support all the troops there and think they are doing a good thing for our nation/world.

Ohh and as for homosexuals... I'm not going to bun them alive but I think that a persons sexuality should be kept in the home.

Come to Sweden, our main conservative party is called the Moderate party...


www.moderat.se

An American (they are different everywhere) Conservative believes the free market and charity is healthier than socialism and mandated reallocation of wealth. Self reliance is superior than a reliance upon a public bureaucracy. Government by it's nature is prone to abuse of those it governs and must be kept small to allow easier control by the populace. Homosexuality is an aberrant lifestyle that is tolerated (I'll get flamed for that belief) but not condoned. Standing on the fact this republic was created with a belief in an ultimate Creator, God.

labels are for jars, not people.

you're a libertarian if you think that, heheh

An American (they are different everywhere) Conservative believes the free market and charity is healthier than socialism and mandated reallocation of wealth. Self reliance is superior than a reliance upon a public bureaucracy. Government by it's nature is prone to abuse of those it governs and must be kept small to allow easier control by the populace.
This, of course, explains why Messure George W. Bush and his republican congress has lead to the largest increases in government size since...LBJ.

Strike One.

Homosexuality is an aberrant lifestyle that is tolerated (I'll get flamed for that belief) but not condoned.
Condoned? By which you mean keeping the fags down, right? Because we all know that if we let the queers marry, that's as good as being a fag yourself.

Strike two.

Standing on the fact this republic was created with a belief in an ultimate Creator, God.
From the Treaty of Tripoli:

ARTICLE 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Strike three, you're gone.

The outrageous growth in our government has angered me.
Strike one. for You.

Civil Unions and Gay Marriage are the same thing. Neither should be recognized.

Treaty of Tripoli, oh yeah that's an important document. how about this document, The Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.



He asked what a Conservative was... not what a presumptuous prick was. If you feel dedicated to attack when you hear Conservative you need to relax a little.

The outrageous growth in our government has angered me.
Strike one. for You.

Libertarian are we? When people say "american conservative", they mean Republicans.

Civil Unions and Gay Marriage are the same thing. Neither should be recognized.

Why on earth not?

Treaty of Tripoli, oh yeah that's an important document. how about this document, The Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.



He asked what a Conservative was... not what a presumptuous prick was. If you feel dedicated to attack when you hear Conservative you need to relax a little.
Which shows that you really can't read. The declaration of independence is not law. However, the treaty of tripoli (by the way, unanimously ratified in the senate back in the 1800's) is, and I quote "...all Treaties made, or which shall be made...shall be the supreme Law of the Land...any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

This, of course, explains why Messure George W. Bush and his republican congress has lead to the largest increases in government size since...LBJ.

Remember when the original poster said he was confused about most of those who claim to be conservative seeming to be rather radical? Yeah, this is what he was talking about.

CSW, go be an idoit some where ells. Just because you need some attention to satisfy you'r personal hatred of a political grope you know little about is fairly pathetic.

Also, last I checked, we don't folow most treaties made. Neather do the French or anyother European nation around. In fact, most nations could care less.

Remeber the Geniva *sp* convention? The Germans, Japs, and Russians did a dam good job of folowing that one!

And the French forced the unfair treaty of Versi *sp, I hate French* on the Germans after WWI and basicly coused WWII! Look what you'r beloved treaties have done!

CSW, go be an idoit some where ells. Just because you need some attention to satisfy you'r personal hatred of a political grope you know little about is fairly pathetic.

Also, last I checked, we don't folow most treaties made. Neather do the French or anyother European nation around. In fact, most nations could care less.

Remeber the Geniva *sp* convention? The Germans, Japs, and Russians did a dam good job of folowing that one!

And the French forced the unfair treaty of Versi *sp, I hate French* on the Germans after WWI and basicly coused WWII! Look what you'r beloved treaties have done!
O.o

Do you practice being stupid, or is it an innate gift?

Last I checked, we're legally bound to follow all treaties we make, as are most countries, and most countries follow them. The Geneva conventions (as they apply today) were signed in August 12, 1949, and Germany/Russia by and large did not engage in excessive violations of human rights when it deals with prisoners of war. The Nazi's were actually charged with crimes that did not exist when they committed them.

And no, the French didn't. Germany caused WWII, not France. Take your revisionist history elsewhere and quit making excuses for fascists.

Civil Unions and Gay Marriage are the same thing. Neither should be recognized.
Not even civil unions? Really pro-freedom, aren't you? :rolleyes:

Treaty of Tripoli, oh yeah that's an important document. how about this document, The Declaration of Independence

Funny enough, in the US, international treaties are second in legal standing only to the Constitution itself. The Declaration of Independence is not law at all.

Funny enough, in the US, international treaties are second in legal standing only to the Constitution itself.
Most treaties only further deepen us into "entangling alliances," as Washington put it. Most of them usurp far too much sovereignty to be worth it...the Geneva convention might be the of the few treaties that we remain in.

labels are for jars, not people.


Yet somehow, there are more people getting labeled around the world then jars...