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Why doesn't water taste fantastic?

ProMonkians
05-05-2005, 20:46
We all know that fatty foods, and sweet foods all taste brill because they contain CarboHydrates which are the fule* of the body. When we eat something laden in carbs our brain thinks "yummy fule, eat more, EAT IT DAMN YOU!", and so our brain makes us think that what we're eating tastes fantastic. Here's the problem, why the hell doesn't water taste fecking great, it surely is as nessecary (if not more) as carbohydrates so why don't I get a micro-orgasm when I gulp down a litre of H2O??
If you ask me god** has didled us out of the true taste sensation of water, can't really blame him/her though, it was a rush job - took less than seven days to make everything so he was bound to overlook something.

*is this how you spell fule, for the life of me I can't remeber, doesn't look right? Fule, fulle, fual...???

**if you don't beleive in god then please replace the word god with alien overlord(s).
Potaria
05-05-2005, 20:47
Hahaha. Oh, the water in my town has plenty of flavor... Methinks the nearby concrete mill's got something to do with it.
Drunk commies reborn
05-05-2005, 20:49
I find water tastes quite pleasant.
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 20:49
I learned that when you're marching for miles on a hot dusty road at Ft. Benning, Georgia, in 100 degree heat and 90 percent humidity, with 120 pounds of crap on your back, water tastes better than anything else you can drink.

In fact, when you're that hot, drinking something like sugary soda will make you sick.

Water is the best tasting thing when you're hot and exhausted.
Potaria
05-05-2005, 20:50
Water is the best tasting thing when you're hot and exhausted.

So long as it's not tap water from the Houston area.

Oh, and it's fuel ;).
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 20:51
So long as it's not tap water from the Houston area.
They gave us water pulled straight out of a nearby river, with chlorine tablets thrown in, in moldy canvas bags.

Best tasting stuff I've ever drank.
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 20:51
Carbs are not a needed fuel that's a load of bull. When digested in your body all kilocalories become fuel regardless of where they come from. Fat and protiens simply spike your sugar infinitely less compared to even the most lowest impact of carbohydrates. Thus being 100% better because virtualy every vitamin and mineralis better contained in vegitables and meats. About the only "carbs" you need is some milk (and even then if your eating enough vegitables you only need maybe a glass or two.) and fruits. (Again, maybe one or two tops.) there is no good excuse to eat starchy foods. The goverment just convinces you that so you screw up your health and rely on thier "medicines" and countinue a vicous cycle. That tasty sensation is not sastifaction, it's addiction. Just like narcotics your body becomes reliant on the poisen because it makes it feel foreighn from it's usual responses. Water sastifies, meat and vegitables to a lesser extent sastifsy, artifical crap does not.
Potaria
05-05-2005, 20:52
They gave us water pulled straight out of a nearby river, with chlorine tablets thrown in, in moldy canvas bags.

Best tasting stuff I've ever drank.

Pfff, our water's already got chlorine and mold, among other things.
Sableonia
05-05-2005, 20:52
LOL. Our tap water tastes like chlorine. As I'm sure most city water does.
Or at least "should" since they are trying to kill bacteria and what not.

Which is probably why natural water doesn't taste "fantastic".
It doesn't have all the "additives". :rolleyes:
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 20:53
*is this how you spell fule, for the life of me I can't remeber, doesn't look right? Fule, fulle, fual...???

Fuel.


Water is refreshing, which goes beyond taste. Ever notice how you can drink soda after soda and never really feel refreshed, you're always needing to drink more because you don't truly satisfy thirst?
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 20:53
Carbs are not a needed fuel that's a load of bull. When digested in your body all kilocalories become fuel regardless of where they come from. Fat and protiens simply spike your sugar infinitely less compared to even the most lowest impact of carbohydrates. Thus being 100% better because virtualy every vitamin and mineralis better contained in vegitables and meats. About the only "carbs" you need is some milk (and even then if your eating enough vegitables you only need maybe a glass or two.) and fruits. (Again, maybe one or two tops.) there is no good excuse to eat starchy foods. The goverment just convinces you that so you screw up your health and rely on thier "medicines" and countinue a vicous cycle. That tasty sensation is not sastifaction, it's addiction. Just like narcotics your body becomes reliant on the poisen because it makes it feel foreighn from it's usual responses. Water sastifies, meat and vegitables to a lesser extent sastifsy, artifical crap does not.

If you intake below 50g of carbs per day, you can go into ketosis.

Of all the organs of your body, the only one that needs glucose is your brain. If you go into ketosis, you'll be dull-witted and confused.
CSW
05-05-2005, 20:54
Carbs are not a needed fuel that's a load of bull. When digested in your body all kilocalories become fuel regardless of where they come from. Fat and protiens simply spike your sugar infinitely less compared to even the most lowest impact of carbohydrates. Thus being 100% better because virtualy every vitamin and mineralis better contained in vegitables and meats. About the only "carbs" you need is some milk (and even then if your eating enough vegitables you only need maybe a glass or two.) and fruits. (Again, maybe one or two tops.) there is no good excuse to eat starchy foods. The goverment just convinces you that so you screw up your health and rely on thier "medicines" and countinue a vicous cycle. That tasty sensation is not sastifaction, it's addiction. Just like narcotics your body becomes reliant on the poisen because it makes it feel foreighn from it's usual responses. Water sastifies, meat and vegitables to a lesser extent sastifsy, artifical crap does not.

You techinically don't need fats or proteins (well, some) either, moderation is key, not fad dieting.
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 20:55
If you intake below 50g of carbs per day, you can go into ketosis.

Of all the organs of your body, the only one that needs glucose is your brain. If you go into ketosis, you'll be dull-witted and confused.

Ketosis is the whole goal of the Atkins diet...go figure. Explains why it's so popular here in the U.S.A.; most people are already dull-witted and confused.
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 20:56
You techinically don't need fats or proteins (well, some) either, moderation is key, not fad dieting.

Exactly. Most people don't need more that 1200 to 1500 calories per day.

Look at serving sizes today. Huge.

Most people eat 1200 calories before lunch, and have no idea they've just eaten their daily requirement.

A burger, for instance, is around 1000 calories or more. You would have to run 10 miles to burn it off.

Most people don't run that much. But they eat a lot.

Stop eating so much and exercise some, and the weight comes off.
ProMonkians
05-05-2005, 20:58
I'd like to contradict my initial argument/question by stating that rain water tastes pretty good.

Fuel

thanks, I feel like such an asshat for forgetting that :D
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 20:58
Ketosis is the whole goal of the Atkins diet...go figure. Explains why it's so popular here in the U.S.A.; most people are already dull-witted and confused.
Ketosis can cause brain damage. Not a smart thing to do on a regular basis.
Secluded Islands
05-05-2005, 20:58
well i am used to drinking water. i dont drink any soda so its pretty much all i do drink...i think it tastes good because it is not real thick tasting...
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:01
If you intake below 50g of carbs per day, you can go into ketosis.

Of all the organs of your body, the only one that needs glucose is your brain. If you go into ketosis, you'll be dull-witted and confused.
Your brain is composed mostly of unsaturated fats, I fail to see how a ketogenic state would be a bad thing. I don't fully believe it's even POSSIBLE, but the less carbs people eat the better..

Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?
Drunk commies reborn
05-05-2005, 21:02
If you intake below 50g of carbs per day, you can go into ketosis.

Of all the organs of your body, the only one that needs glucose is your brain. If you go into ketosis, you'll be dull-witted and confused.
Not true. Ask anyone on Atkins.
Feil
05-05-2005, 21:03
Alright...

First, we look at what's inside your mouth.
...

Saliva. Which is almost entirely... water. Tasting water would mean tasting saliva all day long, whether it tasted good or bad.

Food is also almost entirely water. (Especially the food of the proto-humans--raw meat and vegitables)
...

For a bit of comparison, we look at what else doesn't taste: air. We cannot taste or smell air. Bear this in mind.

...

Now, for the final piece:
Things taste in proportion to whether or not you should eat them. Sugar tastes great, because sweet things are never poisonous and are full of energy. Diseased or rotten things taste terrible because they can make you sick. Methane--the chemical in excretement and in decaying things--smells terrible because the things that it is in are very dangerous to eat. Ammonia, a deadly poison--and a component in urine--smells terrible.
...

Now say water and air taste/smell. You pick up a piece of meat, but it's only a little rotten so it doesn't smell much. There's no way you're going to smell it over that great-smelling air, eh?

Now you stick it in your mouth. Mmm... tastey water.

Oops. A few days later you're feeling stiff. Congratulations, you've got botulism poisoning. See ya, mate. A week after eating that tastey water-filled meat, your diaphragm freezes up and you suffocate.
Carnivorous Lickers
05-05-2005, 21:03
I'm lucky-our water is clean and to me, its tastes good. It is refreshing-its the only think I drink that doesnt leave an aftertaste.
I like a coke from time to time, but I know its about the worst thing for your teeth, stomach and intestines. High fructose corn syrup is poison.
Drunk commies reborn
05-05-2005, 21:04
Your brain is composed mostly of unsaturated fats, I fail to see how a ketogenic state would be a bad thing. I don't fully believe it's even POSSIBLE, but the less carbs people eat the better..

Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?
So is salt, but if you don't get any salt in your diet you'll die.
Carnivorous Lickers
05-05-2005, 21:05
Alright...

First, we look at what's inside your mouth.
...

Saliva. Which is almost entirely... water. Tasting water would mean tasting saliva all day long, whether it tasted good or bad.

Food is also almost entirely water. (Especially the food of the proto-humans--raw meat and vegitables)
...

For a bit of comparison, we look at what else doesn't taste: air. We cannot taste or smell air. Bear this in mind.

...

Now, for the final piece:
Things taste in proportion to whether or not you should eat them. Sugar tastes great, because sweet things are never poisonous and are full of energy. Diseased or rotten things taste terrible because they can make you sick. Methane--the chemical in excretement and in decaying things--smells terrible because the things that it is in are very dangerous to eat. Ammonia, a deadly poison--and a component in urine--smells terrible.
...

Now say water and air taste/smell. You pick up a piece of meat, but it's only a little rotten so it doesn't smell much. There's no way you're going to smell it over that great-smelling air, eh?

Now you stick it in your mouth. Mmm... tastey water.

Oops. A few days later you're feeling stiff. Congratulations, you've got botulism poisoning. See ya, mate. A week after eating that tastey water-filled meat, your diaphragm freezes up and you suffocate.


Holy shit!! Are you alright?
Feil
05-05-2005, 21:07
Holy shit!! Are you alright?
eh?
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:08
How do you NEED salt? Salt is in everything! (Exspet for water ironicaly considering the topic at hand..) so you get more then enough salt.

Salt probably is only needed so your body doesn't freak out when exposed to it. Like a vaccine. Salt is very destructive in essence. I believe the same for sugar as if you put a tooth in a bowl of soda it will dissolve. Now immagine those were your insides.
Draconic Order
05-05-2005, 21:08
We all know that fatty foods, and sweet foods all taste brill because they contain CarboHydrates which are the fule* of the body. When we eat something laden in carbs our brain thinks "yummy fule, eat more, EAT IT DAMN YOU!", and so our brain makes us think that what we're eating tastes fantastic. Here's the problem, why the hell doesn't water taste fecking great, it surely is as nessecary (if not more) as carbohydrates so why don't I get a micro-orgasm when I gulp down a litre of H2O??
If you ask me god** has didled us out of the true taste sensation of water, can't really blame him/her though, it was a rush job - took less than seven days to make everything so he was bound to overlook something.

*is this how you spell fule, for the life of me I can't remeber, doesn't look right? Fule, fulle, fual...???

**if you don't beleive in god then please replace the word god with alien overlord(s).


FUEL! not Fule.
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 21:08
Your brain is composed mostly of unsaturated fats, I fail to see how a ketogenic state would be a bad thing. I don't fully believe it's even POSSIBLE, but the less carbs people eat the better..

Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?

I had it explained to me.

If you're in ketosis, your brain is digesting itself.

Over time, this is a bad thing. It's especially bad when you're a developing child.

I'm not saying it's a good thing to eat carbs - it's just a bad idea to wipe them out and go into ketosis.

Other things such as protein and fat, if not eaten in moderation, are harmful.

Too much protein, and your kidneys shut down. Too little, and you lose brain and muscle mass. Children without enough protein before age 5 have less complex dendritic development in their brains - they are stupid.

Too much fat - you die fat, and have heart disease. Too little and you get nerve disorders and dementia.
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 21:10
How do you NEED salt? Salt is in everything! (Exspet for water ironicaly considering the topic at hand..) so you get more then enough salt.

Salt probably is only needed so your body doesn't freak out when exposed to it. Like a vaccine. Salt is very destructive in essence. I believe the same for sugar as if you put a tooth in a bowl of soda it will dissolve. Now immagine those were your insides.

Salt is in most prepared foods, but it does not occur naturally in vegetables.

You need a little additional salt.

Your body needs it for osmotic functions and it's vital for nerve conduction. No sodium in the body, and your nerves won't transmit any signals.
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 21:10
Ketosis can cause brain damage. Not a smart thing to do on a regular basis.

Not to mention kidney failure...trust me, I'm aware of the dangers, which is why I stick with the apparently old-fashioned notion of "eat less, exercise more."
Frangland
05-05-2005, 21:11
Exactly. Most people don't need more that 1200 to 1500 calories per day.

Look at serving sizes today. Huge.

Most people eat 1200 calories before lunch, and have no idea they've just eaten their daily requirement.

A burger, for instance, is around 1000 calories or more. You would have to run 10 miles to burn it off.

Most people don't run that much. But they eat a lot.

Stop eating so much and exercise some, and the weight comes off.

i thought that the recommended daily allowance was/is 2000 calories.

of course I prolly double it every day yet don't put on weight... must still have a fast metabolism. hehe
Ramreich
05-05-2005, 21:13
Carbs are not a needed fuel that's a load of bull. When digested in your body all kilocalories become fuel regardless of where they come from. Fat and protiens simply spike your sugar infinitely less compared to even the most lowest impact of carbohydrates. Thus being 100% better because virtualy every vitamin and mineralis better contained in vegitables and meats. About the only "carbs" you need is some milk (and even then if your eating enough vegitables you only need maybe a glass or two.) and fruits. (Again, maybe one or two tops.) there is no good excuse to eat starchy foods. The goverment just convinces you that so you screw up your health and rely on thier "medicines" and countinue a vicous cycle. That tasty sensation is not sastifaction, it's addiction. Just like narcotics your body becomes reliant on the poisen because it makes it feel foreighn from it's usual responses. Water sastifies, meat and vegitables to a lesser extent sastifsy, artifical crap does not.

good post
Secluded Islands
05-05-2005, 21:14
i thought that the recommended daily allowance was/is 2000 calories.

of course I prolly double it every day yet don't put on weight... must still have a fast metabolism. hehe

i have a fast metabolism and i love it ;)
ProMonkians
05-05-2005, 21:14
I had it explained to me.

If you're in ketosis, your brain is digesting itself.

Over time, this is a bad thing. It's especially bad when you're a developing child.

I'm not saying it's a good thing to eat carbs - it's just a bad idea to wipe them out and go into ketosis.

Other things such as protein and fat, if not eaten in moderation, are harmful.

Too much protein, and your kidneys shut down. Too little, and you lose brain and muscle mass. Children without enough protein before age 5 have less complex dendritic development in their brains - they are stupid.

Too much fat - you die fat, and have heart disease. Too little and you get nerve disorders and dementia.

Its a tight-rope, somewhere up in the sky god/alien overloards are laughing at us.
Also the brain is greedy, it will fuel itself and let the other organs die when fuel is in short supply.
Frangland
05-05-2005, 21:14
Your brain is composed mostly of unsaturated fats, I fail to see how a ketogenic state would be a bad thing. I don't fully believe it's even POSSIBLE, but the less carbs people eat the better..

Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?

aren't carbs great sources of energy?

fear the bread! BREAD IS EVILLLLLL!

As for me, I will continue to enjoy rolls, bread, butter, cheese, pizza, hamburgers and hot dogs on buns, etc... this carb craze has gotten out of control. If I ever feel anorexic, like i have to lose 5 pounds just to remain pretty, maybe i'll cut out bread and dairy. Until I become a lunatic, however, I will continue to eat these WHOLESOME, NATURAL, NORMAL foods.
Teh Cameron Clan
05-05-2005, 21:14
I drink lots of water. as a matter of fact my desk always has waterbottles piled up :x




Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?

:D
Carnivorous Lickers
05-05-2005, 21:15
eh?


I dont get the point. I read it again and again and my head hurts
Drunk commies reborn
05-05-2005, 21:15
How do you NEED salt? Salt is in everything! (Exspet for water ironicaly considering the topic at hand..) so you get more then enough salt.

Salt probably is only needed so your body doesn't freak out when exposed to it. Like a vaccine. Salt is very destructive in essence. I believe the same for sugar as if you put a tooth in a bowl of soda it will dissolve. Now immagine those were your insides.
Not much salt in most vegetables. It's necessary for all animals though. Sodium ions are important for nerve function.
http://curezone.com/foods/salt/understanding_salt_and_sodium.htm
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 21:15
good post
I've seen people brain-damaged by ketosis. I don't think it was a good post.
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:16
Actually the goverment re-evaluated the daily consumption. I must say it's more accurate, my active lifestyle and such does demand around 3,000kilocalories.

And like I said, I don't believe in keotosis. However the Atkins pyramid is one of the healthiest recconmendations I have ever seen. Why do you think I stopped being a vegitarian?
Ashmoria
05-05-2005, 21:16
water is so important that nature didnt leave it to the chance happening of "tasting good". this is why we have THRIST, the drive to drink water. it can taste like crap and youll still drink it if you are thirsty.
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 21:16
Carbohydrates are excellent sources of energy. The current mode of thought though is heavily influenced by the latest fads. I'll stick to getting my nutritional information from actual registered dieticians who've had education on the subject rather than popular magazines, diet ads, and people on message boards. I suggest everyone else do the same.
Ravea
05-05-2005, 21:17
My water's not sexy enough-Until I put it on my Girlfriend, that is!

...

Hoo boy, this isn't akward.
ProMonkians
05-05-2005, 21:17
Doesn't it strike you as odd that both sugar and cocaine are white powders?

What ever you do don't snort talcum powder at a party - no matter how many chicks your "freinds" claim it'll impress :D
Frangland
05-05-2005, 21:18
As for water

While Nashville's is not the best tap-water in the US, at least it's not the water of South Dakota (or is that North Dakota? Dang it tastes like rust there...)
Ramreich
05-05-2005, 21:19
This is what I eat a day:


10:
1 Liter half fat milk

2 raw eggs

1 centrum multivitamin capsule

17:00

1 Canned tuna in olive oil + 2 carrots (some days I replace tuna with chicken)

20:00

1 liter milk cereals


feeling and lookin great
Whispering Legs
05-05-2005, 21:19
As for water

While Nashville's is not the best tap-water in the US, at least it's not the water of South Dakota (or is that North Dakota? Dang it tastes like rust there...)

I've swallowed enough of the Red River...
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:19
Carbohydrates are excellent sources of energy. The current mode of thought though is heavily influenced by the latest fads. I'll stick to getting my nutritional information from actual registered dieticians
Must be illiterate. I distinctly said that's what i'm studying to become. -_ -
ProMonkians
05-05-2005, 21:19
My water's not sexy enough-Until I put it on my Girlfriend, that is!

...

Hoo boy, this isn't akward.

So in summary it's the water that turns you on? It's always humbling to be present at the birth of a new fetish :D
Ravea
05-05-2005, 21:25
So in summary it's the water that turns you on? It's always humbling to be present at the birth of a new fetish :D

EVERYTHING Turns me on.
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 21:25
Must be illiterate. I distinctly said that's what i'm studying to become. -_ -

Not illiterate, simply unobservant, but thanks for the attention.

So how can you not believe in ketosis, since it seems to be in every nutrition text I've ever read and an observable physiological phenomenon?
Seraphel
05-05-2005, 21:27
Did you know that some water, bottled by Coca-cola, actually has sodium added. So basically, you drink it, and get more thirsty.
Some salt is necessary in a diet to replenish what is lost when you sweat.
One interesting note, when a child is developing from an infant, they will automatically eat everything that their body needs to be healthy, right up until they are given sugar. Once the sugar is introduced to the body, they lose the ability to instictively know what their body needs. Believe it... or not.
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:31
So how can you not believe in ketosis, since it seems to be in every nutrition text I've ever read and an observable physiological phenomenon?
My mom and my cousin are very heavy type 2 diabetics, you're thinking of ketoacidies. That's when your body is in a toxic state.

Ketosis is a supposedly state of being Dr.Atkins discoverd that gave you "metabolic advantage" where you can maximize fat burning around your belly AND consume more kilocalories then normal..

I'm not entirely ceartain about the latter, but no, there is no danger as far as reaching ketoacidies doing an Atkins program though I might encourage a less radical diet plan so as to wane you off carbs. Something like South Beach or The Zone.
Frangland
05-05-2005, 21:31
well if we're going to get into diet, here's mine on an average day:

(lol)

Breakfast: Nothing (maybe a can of orange juice from the vending machine at work)

Lunch: Perfect Pastrami sandwich from a local deli (pumpernickel rye, thousand island dressing, mayo, swiss cheese, pastrami, kraut), water or soda or chocolate milk

Dinner: Checkers NASCAR deal (two triple-cheeseburgers), water
CSW
05-05-2005, 21:31
Did you know that some water, bottled by Coca-cola, actually has sodium added. So basically, you drink it, and get more thirsty.
Some salt is necessary in a diet to replenish what is lost when you sweat.
One interesting note, when a child is developing from an infant, they will automatically eat everything that their body needs to be healthy, right up until they are given sugar. Once the sugar is introduced to the body, they lose the ability to instictively know what their body needs. Believe it... or not.
Salt isn't generally used in sweat, it's more vital for cell communication...and I call BS on the second. Source.
Takuma
05-05-2005, 21:32
Carbs are not a needed fuel that's a load of bull. When digested in your body all kilocalories become fuel regardless of where they come from. Fat and protiens simply spike your sugar infinitely less compared to even the most lowest impact of carbohydrates. Thus being 100% better because virtualy every vitamin and mineralis better contained in vegitables and meats. About the only "carbs" you need is some milk (and even then if your eating enough vegitables you only need maybe a glass or two.) and fruits. (Again, maybe one or two tops.) there is no good excuse to eat starchy foods. The goverment just convinces you that so you screw up your health and rely on thier "medicines" and countinue a vicous cycle. That tasty sensation is not sastifaction, it's addiction. Just like narcotics your body becomes reliant on the poisen because it makes it feel foreighn from it's usual responses. Water sastifies, meat and vegitables to a lesser extent sastifsy, artifical crap does not.

Someone's paranoid...

I find it does taste great.
CSW
05-05-2005, 21:34
My mom and my cousin are very heavy type 2 diabetics, you're thinking of ketoacidies. That's when your body is in a toxic state.

Ketosis is a supposedly state of being Dr.Atkins discoverd that gave you "metabolic advantage" where you can maximize fat burning around your belly AND consume more kilocalories then normal..

I'm not entirely ceartain about the latter, but no, there is no danger as far as reaching ketoacidies doing an Atkins program though I might encourage a less radical diet plan so as to wane you off carbs. Something like South Beach or The Zone.
"Ketones are a means of making the energy of fat available in water soluble form, and to displace as much burning of glucose as possible. Glucose must be conserved in the fasting state because parts of the brain, retina, kidney and red blood cells depend exclusively on it for energy, and in order to conserve muscle protein which must be catabolized to provide the glucogenic amino acid substrate for synthesis of glucose. During the initial stages of starvation the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain. But after several days of starvation, the brain transitions to burning ketones in order to more directly utilize the energy from the fat stores that are being depended upon, and to reserve the glucose only for its absolute needs, thus slowing the depletion of the body's protein store in the muscles. The brain retains a residual need for glucose, because ketones can only provide energy aerobically via mitochondria. In the long thin neurons, much of the metabolically active cellular membrane is too far from the nearest mitochondria and must derive its energy anerobically (without oxygen) from glucose without the assistance of mitochondria."
Carbdown
05-05-2005, 21:36
Did you know that some water, bottled by Coca-cola, actually has sodium added. So basically, you drink it, and get more thirsty.
Some salt is necessary in a diet to replenish what is lost when you sweat.
One interesting note, when a child is developing from an infant, they will automatically eat everything that their body needs to be healthy, right up until they are given sugar. Once the sugar is introduced to the body, they lose the ability to instictively know what their body needs. Believe it... or not.
I believe it. Mom said when I was little I only ate meat and fruits bassicaly. Then once I was exposed to artifical crap like peanut butter and stuff I became your normal child.

Then I became interested in helping others and learning, so I transformed back to my original state. It's funny cause I even look younger. Everyone mistakes me for 12 or 14 and i'm going on 20. My hair is thicker and shinier, (I use to be a blonde but turned into a brown haired.) and yes I have biceps and a six-pack. Course exscersise will do that for you no matter what. I'm just saying what's healthier lol.

Ofcourse if you like carbs that's okay too, I believe in free will and that nobody should be denied their rights. I also don't mind smokers, (even of pot lol.) or alchahol drinkers. It's your body, it's your choice. But I feel like I should atleast give you the 411 because the goverment lies to you.
Lacadaemon
05-05-2005, 21:43
"Ketones are a means of making the energy of fat available in water soluble form, and to displace as much burning of glucose as possible. Glucose must be conserved in the fasting state because parts of the brain, retina, kidney and red blood cells depend exclusively on it for energy, and in order to conserve muscle protein which must be catabolized to provide the glucogenic amino acid substrate for synthesis of glucose. During the initial stages of starvation the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain. But after several days of starvation, the brain transitions to burning ketones in order to more directly utilize the energy from the fat stores that are being depended upon, and to reserve the glucose only for its absolute needs, thus slowing the depletion of the body's protein store in the muscles. The brain retains a residual need for glucose, because ketones can only provide energy aerobically via mitochondria. In the long thin neurons, much of the metabolically active cellular membrane is too far from the nearest mitochondria and must derive its energy anerobically (without oxygen) from glucose without the assistance of mitochondria."


That's okay though, because a healthy body that isn't starving can make glucose in the liver, even on an almost zero carbo-hydrate diet. Otherwise, all eskimos woulod have been brain dead and blind.
Riverlund
05-05-2005, 21:56
Main Entry: ke·to·sis
Pronunciation: kE-'tO-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural ke·to·ses /-"sEz/
1 : an abnormal increase of ketone bodies in the body in conditions of reduced or disturbed carbohydrate metabolism (as in uncontrolled diabetes mellitus) —compare ACIDOSIS, ALKALOSIS

No, I was thinking of ketosis. Then there's the extra nitrogen your body has to dispose of because in order to make up for low levels of carbohydrates your body essentially has to make carbs by removing the nitrogen molecules from proteins in order to utilize them for energy. All that nitrogen has to be processed through the kidneys. Dehydration can complicate the process, causing the overworked kidneys to fail...hence why keeping hydration levels way up on an Atkins diet is crucial.

In addition, things like peanut butter are not "artificial" they're simply processed foods that have preservatives and refined sugars added to them, which aren't healthy. There's nothing wrong with peanut butter aside from the additives, it's just peanuts in a different form. Nothing wrong with carbs either, they're naturally present in the grains used in foods.
Naturality
05-05-2005, 22:22
We all know that fatty foods, and sweet foods all taste brill because they contain CarboHydrates which are the fule* of the body. When we eat something laden in carbs our brain thinks "yummy fule, eat more, EAT IT DAMN YOU!", ....[/SIZE]

I like the taste of (good)water.. plain, clear, refreshing ... water! On a good day I'll drink almost a gallon.. unless I drink some Sierra Mist or beer.