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Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

Well, I've fired a gun. A few guns, actually. Never shot one, though. :)

Yeah, well. Has anyone else ever FIRED a gun, then? Damn, I should've put a poll on this...

Never even seen one. Outside a movie, that is.

why are you asking?

I've fired many types of weapons and have shot my gun in many types of women.

Yeah i've fired several s. M-16, Berretta and a 12-gauge. (Having a dad in the military for 20 years helps.) :sniper:

It passes the time.

I used to go to a shooting range. We fired .22in round-nose bullets at little targets at 25 yards.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I went clay-pidgeon shooting once. Only used a 20-gauge, though.

Yeah i've fired several s. M-16, Berretta and a 12-gauge. (Having a dad in the military for 20 years helps.) :sniper:

Heh. Sheriff for a dad here.

i once went to a shooting range with my bio father - we shot at pictures of barney :p

I've fired a .22 and a 12 gauge...and each on only one occasion, and only a few shots each time...

...I prefer my edged weapons :D

Nope, never. The only gun's I've seen are various hunting and target shooting rifles. The only time I've seen a pistol is on police overseas.

:sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

i shot my gun in ur mom last night

...I prefer my edged weapons :D

Please, elaborate.

Region Killas']:sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

i shot my gun in ur mom last night

Try more smilies, it'll make the comment funnier!

I have, with RAF cadets, it was with the same guns that the army use (i can't remember what they're called) but they'd been modified so that they had a cocking handle, I got my 1st class marksman badge

They're SA80's. There's one made specifically for cadets.

Sure air rifles.
But not real ones but ive held plenty.

Please, elaborate.

I own a set of throwing knives, a pair of really nice long-bladed knives, and a katana sword...the katana isn't very functional, but the rest is. :D

Yeah, I went to a shooting range once. Wasn't that great.

They're SA80's. There's one made specifically for cadets.
that's the one! yeah, they make them with cocking handles so that they're safer

Yeah, I went to a shooting range once. Wasn't that great.

I was a bit dissapointed when I went, too...

that's the one! yeah, they make them with cocking handles so that they're safer

I got to hold an SA80 when I was like six or something cos the army used to go on patrol around my school ( I'm from Northern Ireland ) , but I never got to shoot one, obviously! I have fired shotguns and air-rifles though, I used to go hunting with my dad. Its a pretty cool feeling to fire a weapon, makes you feel like a somebody for a while, violence isn't cool though (it is really aslong as you're not the one enduring it) :mad:

I absolutely despise the gun. All guns. Whatever happened to the good old sword and bow, axe and spear.

"Time is a violent torrent; no sooner is a thing brought to sight than it is swept by and another takes its place."
- Marcus Aurelius 121 - 180 AD

meh...i own several guns, and regualrly go to the shooting range, i got top in my class of 300 for marksmanship at the university...i have a .50 cal desert eagle which i am liscenced to carry concealed (which i do if i am ever out at night...new orleans isn;t a very nice place when it gets dark) and i have a couple assault rifles which are currently decomissioned and in my gun safe, but i recomission them from time to time and go to things like the hiram maxim historical society and such...

I own a set of throwing knives, a pair of really nice long-bladed knives, and a katana sword...the katana isn't very functional, but the rest is. :D
I was going to buy some over the Interweb!

My Cousin has got a fairly Antiquated Shotgun with etchings etc alont the barrel.

Ive fired PAintballs!-WOW!

I was going to buy some over the Interweb!

My Cousin has got a fairly Antiquated Shotgun with etchings etc alont the barrel.

Ive fired PAintballs!-WOW!

I have a royal flush with razor edgs, carry them *sometimes*...but not often....i have a friend that carries "ninja spikes" wherever he goes....

I've fired two M16 models- M16A1 and M4. Other guns- an Uzi (a REALLY old one, still with a wooden buttstock. The thing was probably twice older than I was, I bet it even remembered the 1956 Sinai campaign), a Galil, a MAGAL and a 9 millimeter handgun (I think it was a Hungarian FEG, but I'm not sure). All of those (except for the handgun) during my Israeli army service.

I have one of my last paper targets duct taped over my front door- as a warning to the unwanted guests and wandering Bible thumpers ;)

I saw a set of samurai swords in an antique shop near me for seventy quid. They're not proper, cut-falling-silk ones, but it's a set of three with a Katana, Wakizashi and Tanto. I've got a shelf that I'll put them on in my room.

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.

.22 rifle & pistol
.38 various rounds
.303
30-06
7.62
12 gauge, pump semi, up and over, side by side
9mm
And a WWII Mauser and a few others.
Only shotguns when in the UK.

A variety of shotguns (12 gague), and pistols & revolvers of various types, mostly .45 & .22, with some 9mm and .38s...

Letsee...

Handguns:
Fired countless Kimbers, Paras, Springfields, and other 1911 framed .45s, A Sig Sauer 226 in .40S&W, Glock 22 in .40S&W, Beretta 92 in 9mm, Beretta 96 in .40S&W, Taurus Raging Bull in both .357 Mag and .454 Casull, and a Springfield XD

Rifles/Shotguns:
Again, countless Colt copies (Bushmasters, Colts, Armalites, etc.), H&K G3 civy model, M1 (both Springfield and Garand), Remington 700 in .308 and .300, coupla 12ga pumps, a 20ga auto, and even though its technically not a rifle but an SMG, a H&K MP5.

If you cant tell, I enjoy shooting. Celtannia, the sword, bow, axe, and spear dispeared when people weilding them were cut down by guns. Autocraticama, I hope you don't carry that big ol Desert Eagle for CC, else wise you'd make the govenator look tiny.

I absolutely despise the gun. All guns. Whatever happened to the good old sword and bow, axe and spear.

"Time is a violent torrent; no sooner is a thing brought to sight than it is swept by and another takes its place."
- Marcus Aurelius 121 - 180 AD

They're old. They're still around, but they're old.

As you quote, "another takes it's place". Those weapons were standard (improved over time, but still more or less the same) for about 4000 years. That's a good run. ;)

Yes I've shot a gun... both when I was in the military and when I was married... enough said and... don't ask :headbang: :D

Not since I was 8 years old :(

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.

I'm in the army reserve, does that count? :p
F-88 Austeyr, and Minimi Light Support Weapon. And a couple of pistols.

Letsee...

Handguns:
Fired countless Kimbers, Paras, Springfields, and other 1911 framed .45s, A Sig Sauer 226 in .40S&W, Glock 22 in .40S&W, Beretta 92 in 9mm, Beretta 96 in .40S&W, Taurus Raging Bull in both .357 Mag and .454 Casull, and a Springfield XD

Rifles/Shotguns:
Again, countless Colt copies (Bushmasters, Colts, Armalites, etc.), H&K G3 civy model, M1 (both Springfield and Garand), Remington 700 in .308 and .300, coupla 12ga pumps, a 20ga auto, and even though its technically not a rifle but an SMG, a H&K MP5.

If you cant tell, I enjoy shooting. Celtannia, the sword, bow, axe, and spear dispeared when people weilding them were cut down by guns. Autocraticama, I hope you don't carry that big ol Desert Eagle for CC, else wise you'd make the govenator look tiny.
You can tell when the Americans are here.
You should try the sword and the bow. I know some one who makes swords and armour (black and white smith) and they can be pretty scary!

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

Yes, probably hundreds of thousands of rounds. Some in combat.

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.

Eutrusca is our resident army man. I think Keruvalia was in it too at some stage.

Eutrusca is our resident army man. I think Keruvalia was in it too at some stage.
I was in the infantry as well.

There you go then, there are a few around.

You can tell when the Americans are here.

Not just Ameircan, but Texan as well. And damned proud of it.

I own a really really old bolt action rifle. I'm in a communist group, we occasionally go out to a comrade's property and set it off for a laugh in between beers.

I'm Australian, btw.

Christina

You guys really REALLY scare me... :eek:

I've handled a gun, but never shot one. I've shot countless arrows, though.

38 special /357 mag revolver
.22 auto pistols
BSA air rifle (the real thing)
ICBM missiles

...

I own a really really old bolt action rifle. I'm in a communist group, we occasionally go out to a comrade's property and set it off for a laugh in between beers.

I'm Australian, btw.

Christina
Your rifle wouldn't, by chance, be a World war I British Lee-Enfield?

You guys really REALLY scare me... :eek:

A firearm is an instrument of power. It embodies the idea of the Jovian thunderbolt.

As an instrument of power, it is completely dependent on the wielder for any morality that it implies. It can be used for good or evil, or anything in between.

The fact that you are scared implies that you believe that firearms are only evil - that they can never be used for good.

I've never used firearms in an unjustified manner, or killed anyone without legal and moral justification.

I've handled a gun, but never shot one. I've shot countless arrows, though.

I'm hopeless with bows!

Yeah, I've fired a couple. A 20-gauge break open, Greener SxS, .22 rifle (at 30 yards, 4 of 5 rounds within a dime!) My dad being a Lt. Col. and over 24 years of service has brought home various goodies. Simulation grenades, phosphorous grenades, a comfiscated AK-47, some m60 rounds, and a couple of tank shells. He's fired quite the arsenal, including an M1 Abrams

Yes, I have fired several guns. And my children were taught how to fire guns and gun safety practically from the time they were old enough to hold one.

Several pistols, ranging in caliber from 9mm to .45ACP (man, I think that would include: 9mm, .357SIG, .357mag, .40S&W, 10mm, .44 special, .44mag, and .45ACP--dang).

Rifles range from .22 to .300H&H mag (.22 lr, .22WMR, .223, .308, .300 savage, and .300H&H mag), and a lever action that shoots .44sp/mag.

I do have a shotgun, but haven't fired it yet.

Did the bow thing growing up and into my early 20s, but gave it up by age 25.

I own a really really old bolt action rifle. I'm in a communist group, we occasionally go out to a comrade's property and set it off for a laugh in between beers.

I'm Australian, btw.

Christina

Drinking and Firearms...people wonder why I dont trust commies.

Living in the UK i don't get much chance to interact with real guns so my experince is limited to:
6mm bolt action air rifle, .177" break open air rifles, 177" Competition Target air rifles, various .177" airpistols (including revolvers and target pistols), .22 hunting airrifle and various .22 "real" rifles at fair grounds.

Not much experience in the end but far more than msot people i know, even those who were in the cadets.

I've shot an old .303 on a range, various air rifles & pistols and gone wildfouling and skeet shooting with shotguns.

I've shot an old .303 on a range, various air rifles & pistols and gone wildfouling and skeet shooting with shotguns.

Ah, an old Enfield is usually a joy to shoot. Wish I had one.

A firearm is an instrument of power. It embodies the idea of the Jovian thunderbolt.

As an instrument of power, it is completely dependent on the wielder for any morality that it implies. It can be used for good or evil, or anything in between.

The fact that you are scared implies that you believe that firearms are only evil - that they can never be used for good.

I've never used firearms in an unjustified manner, or killed anyone without legal and moral justification.

How would you use one FOR GOOD? They are designed to injure and kill... in what context can that be good?

How would you use one FOR GOOD? They are designed to injure and kill... in what context can that be good?
If you're a woman who has been repeatedly put in the hospital by an abusive husband, and you leave him, and he stalks you, and says he's going to kill you, and repeatedly attacks you again and again, and manages not to be prosecuted (an easy thing), and you get a protective order, and you find out that it's not really "protective" in that the police are not going to guard you 24 hours a day, and no matter where you run, he finds you again and attacks you again...

then it's good to have a gun to shoot the bastard.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?
Well, duh.

How would you use one FOR GOOD? They are designed to injure and kill... in what context can that be good?

Here we go again. Defense of oneself or a loved one perhaps. If someone is attacking you, they already know it's wrong--they have also forfeited their rights.

Human life above all is a BAD idea--especially when there are those that will abuse that to their advantage. Murderers who premeditate their crimes, for instance.

Well, duh.

Implying what? That it's obvious I meant live rounds? Or that everyone has fired a gun at least once?

I've fired a couple of 9mm pistols, and currently own one illegally. I've also fired shotguns with friends and family.

If you're a woman who has been repeatedly put in the hospital by an abusive husband, and you leave him, and he stalks you, and says he's going to kill you, and repeatedly attacks you again and again, and manages not to be prosecuted (an easy thing), and you get a protective order, and you find out that it's not really "protective" in that the police are not going to guard you 24 hours a day, and no matter where you run, he finds you again and attacks you again...

then it's good to have a gun to shoot the bastard.

Ok, just for arguments sake, let's say that never happened to me. Let's just assume that there never has been a situation in which I or any family member or friend of mine was threatened by anyone. Would it still be good to have a gun? And if so, why?

Here we go again. Defense of oneself or a loved one perhaps. If someone is attacking you, they already know it's wrong--they have also forfeited their rights.

Human life above all is a BAD idea--especially when there are those that will abuse that to their advantage. Murderers who premeditate their crimes, for instance.

Sorry, but that's something we will never agree on, I'm afraid. I believe there are some rights a human being cannot under any circumstances forfeit. They are called "Human Rights" ... http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html#UDHR

I absolutely despise the gun. All guns. Whatever happened to the good old sword and bow, axe and spear.

"Time is a violent torrent; no sooner is a thing brought to sight than it is swept by and another takes its place."
- Marcus Aurelius 121 - 180 AD

You may like my collection then. With a few rifles, I have a katana, a Ka-Bar and am looking into getting a recurved bow.

I've fired a couple of 9mm pistols, and currently own one illegally. I've also fired shotguns with friends and family.

That isn't something one would want everyone to know.

Ok, just for arguments sake, let's say that never happened to me. Let's just assume that there never has been a situation in which I or any family member or friend of mine was threatened by anyone. Would it still be good to have a gun? And if so, why?

I'm not saying everyone should have a gun.

I'm not even saying it's good for someone to have a gun, even if I think they need it - if you don't want a gun, and I give you one, you're not likely to use it well, or use it at all.

But if you feel you need one to protect yourself, and you are OK with learning to use and own one, and you are not a felon, I see no reason why you can't have one.

That isn't something one would want everyone to know.I'm not worried about it. Who's going to turn me in, the mods? Somehow I can't see the ATF showing up at my house to arrest me for a single pistol.

I'm not worried about it. Who's going to turn me in, the mods? Somehow I can't see the ATF showing up at my house to arrest me for a single pistol.
It's pretty obvious to me from personal experience that they don't care about singletons (one-offs) unless they actually arrest you for something else and happen to come across the gun.

Even then, it's probably only a state crime they tack on for window dressing.

The ATF has limited resources - they are responsible for more than firearms. They only take an interest in large or very public cases.

Additionally, he's just saying something on the Internet. I'm sure the US Attorney would want more evidence than that before getting a warrant for computer traffic.

Ok, just for arguments sake, let's say that never happened to me. Let's just assume that there never has been a situation in which I or any family member or friend of mine was threatened by anyone. Would it still be good to have a gun? And if so, why?

sure...

1. You can take it "plunking" (take it to a shooting range and try to hit targets)

2. You can hunt with it (also great if you have a wood house and squirrels and/or woodpeckers who like to burrow into the walls)

3. You can... just admire it.

4. If you don't feel like going to the range... take it out in the woods and do target-practice on trees.

hehe

I live in NJ. It's tough to get a permit to own a pistol. It's just about impossible to get a carry permit unless you are a police officer or prison guard. Many of the people I know who own pistols here do so illegally.

Sorry, but that's something we will never agree on, I'm afraid. I believe there are some rights a human being cannot under any circumstances forfeit. They are called "Human Rights" ... http://www.hrweb.org/legal/undocs.html#UDHR

So, I can kill thousands, even millions, and I still maintain my right to live? That's all sorts of fucked up.

As soon as you assault someone (note, defense is not assault--assault is always striking first), your rights are GONE. There is never a reason to strike at someone, if they have not done anything to you or anyone else.

I live in NJ. It's tough to get a permit to own a pistol. It's just about impossible to get a carry permit unless you are a police officer or prison guard. Many of the people I know who own pistols here do so illegally.

From my understanding, NJ has some pretty draconian gun laws.

I live in NJ. It's tough to get a permit to own a pistol. It's just about impossible to get a carry permit unless you are a police officer or prison guard. Many of the people I know who own pistols here do so illegally.

Which shows you how useful the gun laws are. They are mostly intended to turn a class of law abiding people into felons.

I live in NJ. It's tough to get a permit to own a pistol. It's just about impossible to get a carry permit unless you are a police officer or prison guard. Many of the people I know who own pistols here do so illegally.


I'm in NJ too. Most of my guns are still in NY. Its tough to get a permit to have a rifle or shotgun. My air rifles falls under the same permit.

From my understanding, NJ has some pretty draconian gun laws.
Yeah, but it doesn't keep people from owning them.

Once I tried to get a firearms ID card which would entitle me to buy shotguns, rifles, and BB guns. Yes, my state restricts purchase of BB guns. The pack of forms I had to fill out was quite extensive, and they even wanted references from people who know me. I didn't bother to go through all that hassle. All those restrictions actually encourage people to break the law. It's just easier than dealing with the red tape.

yeah i have. its not cracked up to much, i used a .22 lee enfiend rifle. I'd never shoot ought living.

yeah, i've shot a couple different kinds. used to be on a rifle team, actually.

Letsee...

Handguns:
Fired countless Kimbers, Paras, Springfields, and other 1911 framed .45s, A Sig Sauer 226 in .40S&W, Glock 22 in .40S&W, Beretta 92 in 9mm, Beretta 96 in .40S&W, Taurus Raging Bull in both .357 Mag and .454 Casull, and a Springfield XD

Rifles/Shotguns:
Again, countless Colt copies (Bushmasters, Colts, Armalites, etc.), H&K G3 civy model, M1 (both Springfield and Garand), Remington 700 in .308 and .300, coupla 12ga pumps, a 20ga auto, and even though its technically not a rifle but an SMG, a H&K MP5.

If you cant tell, I enjoy shooting. Celtannia, the sword, bow, axe, and spear dispeared when people weilding them were cut down by guns. Autocraticama, I hope you don't carry that big ol Desert Eagle for CC, else wise you'd make the govenator look tiny.


I do carry it CC, i'm 6'4" and 290 lbs....

The only gun I have ever shot is my paintball gun. :)

My 15 year old son is a member of the Junior Police Explorers.
It is run by our State Police departments and he has learned a lot from the State Troopers.
They are going to be taking them out next month on the shooting range.
The kids are going to get to try all kinds of guns, most of which I cannot rememeber at this time. :rolleyes:

The only gun I have ever shot is my paintball gun. :)

My 15 year old son is a member of the Junior Police Explorers.
It is run by our State Police departments and he has learned a lot from the State Troopers.
They are going to be taking them out next month on the shooting range.
The kids are going to get to try all kinds of guns, most of which I cannot rememeber at this time. :rolleyes:


I love paintballing

Implying what? That it's obvious I meant live rounds? Or that everyone has fired a gun at least once?
Not "implying" anything. You asked if the reader had ever fired a gun. I've fired most of the weapons in the US inventory at one time or another, and used a number of them in combat. This should be obvious from my signature to anyone who reads it, as well as to anyone who has read a few of my previous posts.

Although not "everyone" has fired a weapon, I would venture a guesstimate that better than 60% of all Americans have.

I'm a proud NRA member. I shoot in tournaments all the time, year 'round.

I'm a proud NRA member. I shoot in tournaments all the time, year 'round.

I will be joining at the next gunshow.

Not "implying" anything. You asked if the reader had ever fired a gun. I've fired most of the weapons in the US inventory at one time or another, and used a number of them in combat. This should be obvious from my signature to anyone who reads it, as well as to anyone who has read a few of my previous posts.

Although not "everyone" has fired a weapon, I would venture a guesstimate that better than 60% of all Americans have.

Have you ever used a hammer?

Not "implying" anything. You asked if the reader had ever fired a gun. I've fired most of the weapons in the US inventory at one time or another, and used a number of them in combat. This should be obvious from my signature to anyone who reads it, as well as to anyone who has read a few of my previous posts.

Although not "everyone" has fired a weapon, I would venture a guesstimate that better than 60% of all Americans have.

Well for a start, I wasn't asking you, specifically, neither was I only asking Americans (Though it seems most of the people who've posted here are American). Thankyou for your contribution, but your sarcasm was misplaced.

Well for a start, I wasn't asking you, specifically, neither was I only asking Americans (Though it seems most of the people who've posted here are American). Thankyou for your contribution, but your sarcasm was misplaced.
"Sarcasm?" What sarcasm?

"Sarcasm?" What sarcasm?

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Have you ever used a hammer?
Um ... lemmie think now. Hmmm.

Ha. Ha. Ha.
Now that's scarcasm. :)

Are there standard-issue hammers, Captain Horn?

I own several and try an go out every couple of weekends to practice. I've also bought my mother a handgun and taught her how to use it.

Um ... lemmie think now. Hmmm.

Well, you've implied that only Americans (notice the capital there) use tools. Guns, hammers, forks, knives are all tools, you see. They can also be used in a variety of methods.

I hope by now you understand that I didin't appreciate your off-handed statement that "60% of americans have fired a gun". This statement smacks of America bashing and I think you should stop; right now!

I hope by now you understand that I didin't appreciate your off-handed statement that "60% of americans have fired a gun". This statement smacks of America bashing and I think you should stop; right now!

So what? And besides, he IS American, so he's allowed bash to if he wants. I don't think he was, though. Don't get all worked up...

There's Patriotism, and then there's Indoctrination

So what? And besides, he IS American, so he's allowed bash to if he wants. I don't think he was, though. Don't get all worked up...

There's Patriotism, and then there's Indoctrination

All the more reason to shut up!

Are there standard-issue hammers, Captain Horn?
Only if you have a carpentry or related MOS. :D

All the more reason to shut up!

Why? Don't you Americans make a big song and dance about having all your do's and don'ts written on an old piece of paper? Doesn't FREE SPEECH spring to mind?

Why? Don't you Americans make a big song and dance about having all your do's and don'ts written on an old piece of paper? Doesn't FREE SPEECH spring to mind?

It sure does! Now shut up!

Only if you have a carpentry or related MOS. :D

So G.I.'s are reduced to hammering nails with their rifle-butts? Good god, what is the world coming to...

I hope by now you understand that I didin't appreciate your off-handed statement that "60% of americans have fired a gun". This statement smacks of America bashing and I think you should stop; right now!
You don't know me very well, obviously. I suspect you're somehow misinterpreting what I said.

When I say, "I guesstimate that over 60% of Americans have fired a weapon," it's simply a statement that lots of Americans have fired a gun, nothing more or less. How on earth is that "America bashing?"

So G.I.'s are reduced to hammering nails with their rifle-butts? Good god, what is the world coming to...

Stupidity, like this thread!

So G.I.'s are reduced to hammering nails with their rifle-butts? Good god, what is the world coming to...
LOL! You guys are really off on tangents today, ain't ya! :)

Stupidity, like this thread!
Son, you got issues! :rolleyes:

It sure does! Now shut up!

You're weird.

*Poke with stick* *Poke with stick*

Well, I've fired a gun. A few guns, actually. Never shot one, though. :)
Damn you. That was my joke.

But actually... When I was an FO for the Army, I DID target an old artillery piece in the impact area. Does that count?

Let's see, in order:

School age
R513T .22 Target Rifle - at High School (competitive sport)
Colt 1911A1 .45 pistol with .22 conversion - High School competition
Browning "High Power" 9mm pistol (tin cans)
Savage 99E .308 Lever Rifle (deer hunting - 1 shot, one kill)

"Adult" - unowned, used frequently
M16 - Army
M3 "Grease Gun" .45 SMG - Army
M1911A1 .45 ACP
M203 .40mm grenade launcher - Army

Owned
Ruger P85 9mm pistol
CZ 50 .32acp pistol
Ruger GP100 .357 revolver
Mossberg 500 12ga shotgun
Colt 1911A1 .45 (2 types) pistol
Marlin 1895 45-70 Lever Rifle
Freedom Arms .454 Casull revolver
NAA Guardian .32 ACP pistol (daily carry)
Pheonix .22 pistol
Davis .32acp derringer
Ruger 22/45 .22 pistol
H&R .45 "Huntsman" muzzle loader rifle
Mossberg .50cal muzzle loader rifle barrel for M-500
Ruger Old Army .45 cap and Ball revolver with 45 Long Colt cylinder
Traditions "buck-hunter"/"Indiana Hunter" .50cal muzzle-loading pistol

For now.

Son, you got issues! :rolleyes:

Do you say that in a 'Full Metal Jacket'-Drill-Sergeant-voice? :D

Yeah i've fired several s. M-16, Berretta and a 12-gauge. (Having a dad in the military for 20 years helps.) :sniper:

Btw. How did the M-16 handle. Anyway, no, I have not fired and real rounds but I have seen and heard some "live" rounds fired from a gun. :sniper: :mp5:

They're SA80's. There's one made specifically for cadets.

The L98-A1 General Purpose Cadet Rifle. Let's see that cadet wave to make sure the safety's on, kiddies!

That was my second favourite bit of the ACF, mostly because I was actually a reasonable shot, unlike most of the retards who joined on the basis that they'd be able to shout at people in a few years' time.

So yes, in answer to the original question, I have fired live 5.56mm rounds.

I've fired shotguns and assorted rifles, as I come from a country background -- you can't get handguns and assault rifles and the like legally in the UK, though. I don't see the attraction, myself. It goes blam, can falls down. Yay, I suppose. Pretty dull. I prefer taking a car down to a track day event and speeding around legally.

You don't know me very well, obviously. I suspect you're somehow misinterpreting what I said.

When I say, "I guesstimate that over 60% of Americans have fired a weapon," it's simply a statement that lots of Americans have fired a gun, nothing more or less. How on earth is that "America bashing?"

You're selling, but I'm not buying!
.........issues and all!

Do you say that in a 'Full Metal Jacket'-Drill-Sergeant-voice? :D
Um ... no. I reserve that for dire situations. :D

You're selling, but I'm not buying!
.........issues and all!
( shrug )

I shoot guns on a daily basis. I love guns.

I shoot guns on a daily basis. I love guns.

That's nice...*Edges away*

Several, I used to belong to gun club for target shooting. Besides my own I was able to try many weapons including handguns from .22LR to .44MAG, rifles, shotguns and once got to fire a submachinegun at the police range. (My uncle was with RCMP and his best friend was in the firearms unit.)

standard 22's and an m-16 once.

I've fired shotguns and assorted rifles, as I come from a country background -- you can't get handguns and assault rifles and the like legally in the UK, though. I don't see the attraction, myself. It goes blam, can falls down. Yay, I suppose. Pretty dull. I prefer taking a car down to a track day event and speeding around legally.
I guess I can see that. I've never been able to understand the fascination some people have with golf, either, but that doesn't mean it's not a challenge to get the little white ball in the little cup in the center of the immaculately manicured lawn. :)

I guess I can see that. I've never been able to understand the fascination some people have with golf, either, but that doesn't mean it's not a challenge to get the little white ball in the little cup in the center of the immaculately manicured lawn. :)

I'd say it's a bigger challenge keeping the damn lawn. I hate mowing grass...

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

No. . . But I'd love too! :sniper:

I'd say it's a bigger challenge keeping the damn lawn. I hate mowing grass...
I would rather someone just beat me up and get it over with than having to do "yard work!" I mean, what the hell is the point of spending hours a week and lots of money to keep "a beautiful lawn?" I'm not trying to impress anyone, and couldn't care less about being on the cover of "Lawn and Garden!" Groan.

I've fired a .22 rifle and a Colt .35. The .22 was just for kicks, and I only fired a couple of rounds at a wooden target. The .35 was when I was younger and my grandpa wanted me to at least know what it felt like to fire a pistol. I only fired one round.

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.
Not if you weren't in the Marine Corps:). I still shoot NRA highpower matches with a Garand or an AR-15, depending on whether I want to spend the money on 30-06 ammo.
Seriously, USMC rifle training is the best around. I think the US Army just shoots at little 25 yard targets, now.

No. . . But I'd love too! :sniper:

Look in the Yellow Pages for rifle clubs, that's where I first shot. You don't need a licence for .22 caliber or less, only insurance. I think there's an age thing, but it's only about 13 in England...

I would rather someone just beat me up and get it over with than having to do "yard work!" I mean, what the hell is the point of spending hours a week and lots of money to keep "a beautiful lawn?" I'm not trying to impress anyone, and couldn't care less about being on the cover of "Lawn and Garden!" Groan.

I tell my mum that every time, but I still have to...

To the shock of some: yes.

several different kinds of rifles, many times

a couple of different types of handgun, a couple of times

I've never seen one

I've never seen one
How is that even possible?

How is that even possible?

I think he means 'in the flesh', so to speak.

I think he means 'in the flesh', so to speak.
That's what I assumed he meant too.

How is that even possible?

I think they mean in "real life", not on television or whatever. I can believe it. My ex-girlfriend had never seen a carry license, much less a gun. And Connecticut & New York states are hardly draconian like Massachusettes.

Of course I've shot a gun. I own (i think) 15 now. I was just cleaning my FAL - it's sitting right next to my bed right now.

The first time I fired a rifle, I was 10, and my father took me and my siblings out in the bush. Of course, being small, the only one of our weapons that I could use was the .22, but it was enough.

Since then, I've done it a fair amount more - and for my 16th birthday, my father gave me a Remington 700 BDL DM centre-fire bolt action rifle (30-06 calibre).

The thing is, though, it's mostly a "just-in-case" sort of thing. Such as, just in case there's a nuclear winter and all you can do is shoot moose for food. Or, just in case the Yanks invade and you need to go become a partisan. Various things.

I think they mean in "real life", not on television or whatever. I can believe it. My ex-girlfriend had never seen a carry license, much less a gun. And Connecticut & New York states are hardly draconian like Massachusettes.
I've never seen a carry licence either. I live in NJ.

Not if you weren't in the Marine Corps:). I still shoot NRA highpower matches with a Garand or an AR-15, depending on whether I want to spend the money on 30-06 ammo.
Seriously, USMC rifle training is the best around. I think the US Army just shoots at little 25 yard targets, now.
The Marines qualify with the M-16 out to 800 yards.
The Army (unless you're a REMF) qualifies out to 300 yards.

Yes, the Marine rifle training is better.

The Army Sniper training is quite good, though. There are also Marksmanship Training Units attached to Army units that teach you how to shoot like a Marine (one I attended was taught by retired Marines).

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.
[ points at his signature block below ] V

Ive fired sevral

The Marines qualify with the M-16 out to 800 yards.
The Army (unless you're a REMF) qualifies out to 300 yards.

Yes, the Marine rifle training is better.

The Army Sniper training is quite good, though. There are also Marksmanship Training Units attached to Army units that teach you how to shoot like a Marine (one I attended was taught by retired Marines).
It was only 600 yards when I was in. I've shot a couple 1000 yd matches at Ft Benning or Stewart, can't remember which, in Georgia. That's a long way down the range for a little 22 cal bullet to go.

That business about the 25 yd targets came from a friend in the Army Reserves. I guess they don't get much priority at a "big" range.

M 1 Garand

Remington 870

Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum

semi auto AK 22 Sidefolder

M 1 Garand

Remington 870

Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum

semi auto AK 22 Sidefolder
But y'all have some of the stupidest bank robbers up there, eh? Look at the article in this thread (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417123). Some joker tried to hold up the bank through the tube to the drive-thru.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

H&K 9mm, .44 Buldog, .44 Magnum 7" stainless, Mini 14, 10/22 Ruger, numerous 22 handguns, 25 magnum, .380, 12 guage side by side, 12 gauge over under, 12 stockless sawed off, 300 Win. Mag, .45 short police issue, .45 military issue, .45 S&W stainless, .357 mag, .357 desert eagle, .38 snub and 5" and probably one or two others I'm forgetting... does that qualify??

Only just.

L85A1, M1 Garand, Lee Enfield .303, BREN gun and a crossbow. :P

I've actually fired many a shotgun round. It doesn't hurt that my grandfather is a professional trap and skeet shooter and owns more firearms than the Bolivian military. Before anyone says anything though, they're all firmly locked up where only he can get to them.

ive shot a few guns
M-16 12 gauge and a 9 mil

my moms in the military and my dads retired so....yea i guess it helps

Nope. Never fired a gun. Never wielded any weapon, for that matter. The only time I've seen guns out and about is abroad, and back in the UK I've seen my dad's friend's shotgun once. Just being around it made me very uncomfortable.

Nope. Never fired a gun. Never wielded any weapon, for that matter. The only time I've seen guns out and about is abroad, and back in the UK I've seen my dad's friend's shotgun once. Just being around it made me very uncomfortable.
I don't get how just being around a gun can make one uncomfortable. It's not like the gun's going to jump up and start shooting people all by itself.

Only just.

whew... at least I made it, if only by a nose. Actually, I don't own a gun any more. Don't really need one for anything. I'm not opposed to it, obviously, but most of those belonged to my now deceased Stepfather...

I don't get how just being around a gun can make one uncomfortable. It's not like the gun's going to jump up and start shooting people all by itself.

People always fear what they don't understand/haven't experienced, particularly if it has received as much negative publicity as guns have.

Ja, an M249 SAW :mp5:

My family probably owns more guns than most of you people have shot. 3-22s, 3-12gauges, 7mm mag, 44mag, 38, 38special, .410, 20 guage,357 mag, 35remington, M16, AR15, M1 garand, .308, .223, .45-70, 30-06

Im from Alaska bush where we use guns to kill animals for food

If you hunt for food, why the hell do you have a .223/ :confused:

This is such an urban question.

I have lived more than half my adult life in cities and it amazes me how naive white, liberal urban people are about guns. They're not mysterious or even dangerous - assuming that they're handled by experienced individuals who behave responsibly. Alas, so many have fallen into the hands of inexperienced youth desperate for some sort of validation and control that they have made something that should be a simple tool into something far more terrifying.

I grew up on a farm, and have lived in very rural parts of the country; I own three rifles. I own them for a number of reasons: in rural Alaska, it was important to be able to protect myself; I grew up in a gun-owning household where hunting was normal; and I enjoy shooting them. Now I live in a large city, and tell very few people that I own them; they freak out when they hear it. I also keep them locked away now.

If you hunt for food, why the hell do you have a .223/ :confused:
A 223 is the perfect caliber for shooting caribou.
The bullets are also really cheap and its easy to make your own loads for it.
Have you ever shot at anything in your life?

Nope. Never fired a gun. Never wielded any weapon, for that matter. The only time I've seen guns out and about is abroad, and back in the UK I've seen my dad's friend's shotgun once. Just being around it made me very uncomfortable.

That's why the US had to ship home defense weapons to you guys when Hitler was threatening to invade in 41.

Better get ready, 2019 is coming soon... (Oops!! Sorry. Ignore that... if you want.)

I grew up on a farm, and have lived in very rural parts of the country; I own three rifles. I own them for a number of reasons: in rural Alaska, it was important to be able to protect myself; I grew up in a gun-owning household where hunting was normal; and I enjoy shooting them. Now I live in a large city, and tell very few people that I own them; they freak out when they hear it. I also keep them locked away now.
Where in Alaska?

Fired a couple of .45 cal handguns and a .75 cal double barrel machine gun on a Navy ship. Took out a seagull with the latter. You have no clue what a round the diametre of your pinky can do to a bird in flight until you've seen it.

This is such an urban question.

I have lived more than half my adult life in cities and it amazes me how naive white, liberal urban people are about guns. They're not mysterious or even dangerous - assuming that they're handled by experienced individuals who behave responsibly. Alas, so many have fallen into the hands of inexperienced youth desperate for some sort of validation and control that they have made something that should be a simple tool into something far more terrifying.


It is hardly a supprise really. Just the same as most animal rights activists being urban dwellers. Around here the local media has done everything it can to spread mis-information on gun laws, as well as making guns out to be the ultimate evil. Eg. * 12 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN SHOOTOUTS TODAY.... and as a side note these people were dealing drugs or in a gang fight* . All they do is scare the populace about guns, furthering anti-gun setimate. Guess that is why I dispise local media. If it isn't blood and guts, it's not worth reporting.

Iv fired:
L98 GP
SA80
LSW
GMPG

Yes, I shot some during my service to the army. :rolleyes:

Hi. Liberal urban white guy here. I don't fear guns. I own one.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?


Yes. Can't remember the names of all of them though.. especially the rifles. I'd have to use ear protection if I went to shoot now. Last time I was standing near someone who fired a gun it startled me. Probably wouldn't had been so startled if I had known they were about to shoot it.



I use to shoot skeet on a friends land. And did some target shooting (gallon jugs) up near King, NC with a dear friend before he passed.

Also went deer hunting once. He led me to the tree stand and went on his way to the other stand. I sat up in the tree basking in the warm morning sun. Saw no deer and wouldn't have shot at one if I had. I was just chillin' in the woods.

Yes. Can't remember the names of all of them though.. especially the rifles. I'd have to use ear protection if I went to shoot now. Last time I was standing near someone who fired a gun it startled me. Probably wouldn't had been so startled if I had known they were about to shoot it.


You should be using hearing protection every time you shoot, anyway....

You should be using hearing protection every time you shoot, anyway....


You're right on.

I've never shot a gun, and I think guns are terrible weapons of destruction, but that's not to say I wouldn't shoot one in order to defend myself or friends or family or whatever.

I've never shot a gun, and I think guns are terrible weapons of destruction, but that's not to say I wouldn't shoot one in order to defend myself or friends or family or whatever.
Guns, like any other tool, really, are only terrible weapons of destruction in the wrong hands. As long as you practice responsible and safe ownership and usage, they're as safe as anything else in this world. And they can be a lot of fun, but they do impart a terrible feeling of superiority when holding one, I admit.

I own 37 rifles, shotguns and handguns (not nearly enough). I shoot every week.

Before anyone calls me a gun nut, its called a COLLECTION. You collect stamps, I collect steel on wood.

When I was 17 my best friend and her dad took me to the shooting range, and I fired a gun. I was awful at it, and then a burning shell from the gun she was firing landed on me, it blisted and I still have the scar. I think I am too acident prone to safely own any fire arm.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

Um, yes.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?
Yus. A .22

Meh, I've fired a BB gun. Does that count?

Only a pellet gun, but that doesn't really count.

Never even seen one. Outside a movie, that is.

Where the heck do you live??? The moon?

I happen to own a rifle, and a shotgun, and i have fired several thousand rounds, both at targets and at tasty animals.

I am a proud supporter of P.E.T.A.
People for the Eating Of Tasty Animals

Also, where I live you don't need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

I am a proud supporter of P.E.T.A.
People for the Eating Of Tasty Animals

:p So am I.

more then I can count

As a child my uncle used to take us out to play with his toys. A 30.06 will really knock a skinny ten year old girl on her ass.
Then I was a MP in the state guard. So I've fired a few.

yes, been using firearms since i was 8 years old.
:sniper:

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

Yes, I first fired a shotgun when I was in the thrid grade. I lived out in the middle of nowhere then. I have not fired one since I moved to the city.

This may have been already said but I wasn't going to swin through all of the postings to see...

(in the voice of R. Lee Ermy) "Allright you maggots, with your right hand hold your weapon, and with your left hand grab your crotch, repeat after me: This is my rifle, this my gun, this is for killing, this is for fun." REPEAT, ETC.

M16, M203, LAW, M60, 50Cal, M67 recoilless rifle, 12Ga, 16Ga, 22, 45Cal, and yes with live rounds...WhooooahHHH! :sniper:

I have fired rifles, pistols and shotguns on occaisons to numerous to count. Fire them into targets at the range, paper plates in the mountains and once into three dove. (hunting is boring, just my experience with it).
Muzzleloaders are the most funnest! :)
I have little use for a handgun, I can't hit a bull in the butt at ten paces with a handgun. In the future I will use a shotgun for home defense and not waste my time with a pistol.

Yes, I've shot a few guns before.

Swords are much more fun, and you don't need a license.

Also, where I live you don't need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

I'm guessing Texas.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

Yes.
I fired a few shots from a Glock 45 handgun at a D.C. gunrange.
I have fired a two gage shotgun once, didnt like it much.
I own an old rifle and I have fired that many times. If I would have to pick a weapon I like the most it would be the rifle, any rifle.

Oh...I have also fired from a WW II flaregun if that counts.

Yes.
I fired a few shots from a Glock 45 handgun at a D.C. gunrange.
I have fired a two gage shotgun once, didnt like it much.
I own an old rifle and I have fired that many times. If I would have to pick a weapon I like the most it would be the rifle, any rifle.

Oh...I have also fired from a WW II flaregun if that counts.

What is a two gauge shotgun? I know 16, 12 and 10 but I don't know 2. Not an insult toward you, I'm just curious if there was something I hadn't heard of before. I have heard the old M-79 had shotgun rounds, was that what you fired?

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?

ya, i've gotten quite a few turkey's while turkey hunting also. haven't got a deer yet unfortunantly, but i don't use gun against them, only arrows. i prefer arrows.

I'm guessing Texas.

Actually, no. In Texas you have to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm. Also have to register rifles and sidearms. *shrugs* I'm just waiting for 21 so I can get mine.

AR-15 (Unless I can get my hands on a M-16) at 18 too.

And that's not including what I purchase for deer hunting. Haven't found a favorite rifle yet.

I have let off a few rounds in my day, and I'm only seventeen. I have shot a .357 Magnum (like a fucking hand cannon), a .38 Special, a .22 (not so special), a .380, two 9mm's (glock and baretta), I shot a 12 gauge shotgun on two separate occasions, and a .25. Any other questions?

I have let off a few rounds in my day, and I'm only seventeen. I have shot a .357 Magnum (like a fucking hand cannon), <snip>
Ahh, the .357 Hand Cannon... It didn't, perchance, fire a 350gr Cast Lead bullet at over 1700 FPS (delivering over 2200ftlbs)? No? Try a properly loaded .454 Casull sometime! ;)

Load Data: Small Magnum Rifle Primer, 31gr W296 (or H110), 350 gr LBT WFN - Double Crimp (taper, then roll).

Used for things Volkswagen sized and Larger.

What is a two gauge shotgun? I know 16, 12 and 10 but I don't know 2. Not an insult toward you, I'm just curious if there was something I hadn't heard of before. I have heard the old M-79 had shotgun rounds, was that what you fired?
Oh, there are some 6 and 4 guage guns out there - they were calld boat-guns or punt guns IIRC. Muzzle-stuffers. Never seen a cartridge one.

I'm guessing Texas.
Texas requires a lisence for concealed carry.

Oh, there are some 6 and 4 guage guns out there - they were calld boat-guns or punt guns IIRC. Muzzle-stuffers. Never seen a cartridge one.

6 and 4 I was also ignorant of.
Why did you put "oh" at the beggining? It made me feel sad and I thought maybe it was a hate crime!!!! HATE CRIME!!!! ;)

6 and 4 I was also ignorant of.
Why did you put "oh" at the beggining? It made me feel sad and I thought maybe it was a hate crime!!!! HATE CRIME!!!! ;)
Just an ordinary interjection. Nothing special. No prticular meaning...

...ghod I'm so sorry! boohoohoohoohoohoo! Sniffle. :D

Here's some info for you:

What's a Guage? (http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/ga101.htm)

Shotguns and shotshells are measured in Guages. As it refers to weapons, a "Guage" is an old English measurement of how many pure lead round balls will fit into a circle of a specific and standard size (the circle "usually" describes a pound). So if I can get 12 lead balls into this standard sized circle it is a 12 guage. Obviously, if you wanted to fit 16 balls in the circle, they would have to be smaller balls. Therefore, the larger the number, the smaller the ball or pellet "size". So it stands to reason that a 12 guage Shotgun has a bigger bore than a 16 or 20 guage shotgun. If you've ever been kicked by a 12 guage shotgun, Just think what the old English Elephant hunters had to go through to shoot a 4 guage weapon with a half pound bullet!!!!

Here's (http://users.erols.com/apple1co/english.html) what one sells for now-a-days:
Civil Service, CSL, London - 4 Bore "Punt Gun" - Under lever, Single barrel Hammer Gun. 42 1/2" Damascus Barrel. The overall length is 61" and the weight is 16.25 lbs. Completely restored to include re-case color. Like new condition with bright bore and comes with a complete 25 round box of shot shells and a correct 4-Bore leather "Brady Belt". Very rare on the market and seldom found outside of a museum. Truly a unique and seldom encountered item. Complete package - will not seperate! $8,450.00

Just an ordinary interjection. Nothing special. No prticular meaning...

...ghod I'm so sorry! boohoohoohoohoohoo! Sniffle. :D

ghod? Is that like JIHAD!!!!!???? An Islamofascist!!!! Help help!!!!!

*running around in circles like a chicken with my head cut off*

Shot: only a Ruger 10/22 and a Ceska Zbrojovka 452-2E, both are .22LR's.. although admittedly the 10/22 was a barrel of fun (no pun intended) to shoot. also fired an 800fps Norinco air rifle.

Held: a sawn-off 12-gauge Winchester Defender pump-action. A very light shotgun, so I don't want to know what the recoil's going to be like :p it fired 3" or 3.5" buckshots... every now and then you'd have to load it and cycle the action to give it a bit of a workout. Heaven forbid you hold the trigger in while you do that :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Ive shot a 22 rifle
a glock
a m-16
a pellet gun
i also shot and killed a deer,a bird, a goose
Ive eloctrocuted a few cows.

No one that has replied to this topic has fired a gun, it seems.

I've fired a 122 mm gun, Finnish army designation 122 H 63A. (For pics, see http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/index.dsp?level=48&equipment=13 )
It's certainly a machine designed for killing people. That's not the case with the newer Patria things that aren't all that accurate, but have all nice electronics and motors for automobility.

Of rifles, I've fired only the standard "RK 62", which was actually a RK 76T. The Galil rifle is based on this design, and is thus rather similar. http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Rk_62
The RK's have the same basic design and the same caliber as a AK-47, but they are made to a higher quality standard and thus an unusually high accuracy for an assault rifle of this type. That doesn't much help if the "porridge-powered rifle butt support/automatic aiming system" isn't of the same top quality....

I've fired a shotgun once to a bush, and there my experience with explosive-propeller projectile launchers ends.

(Ennätys on muuten 17/18 osumaa, mutta vain 75 p. Toisin sanoen, helvetin huono sihti.)

Dickslaimer: We have conscription. No one asked me if I wanted to.

I'm guessing Texas.

I'll say Vermont or Alaska--since those are the only two states in the US that allow it...

shot almost every type of gun. Im a private gun collector. I personally had the chance to shoot a 50 cal off the deck of a navy ship when i was younger. Alot of fun.

I learnt to shoot on a Steyr.

I used a friend's automatic rifle for target practice a few times out in Asheville NC. Once when we were drunk we tried to go fishing with it (not a good idea in hindsight). I've never shot a gun other than that one though.

No one that has replied to this topic has fired a gun, it seems.

I've fired a 122 mm gun, Finnish army designation 122 H 63A. (For pics, see http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/index.dsp? <snip>
Well, I was using the accepted cultural paradigm of NSers.

While in the Army (Field Artillery), besides the standard small-arms (how could I have forgotten the Ma Duce? jeez.), I have personally pulled the lanyard on:

M110 8" (203mm) Self Propelled Howitzer (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m110a2.htm)
M109 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m109.htm)
M101 105mm Towed Howitzer (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m101a1.htm)
M102 105mm Howitzer (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m102.htm)

The M110A2 was by far my favorite. Nothing like 200lbs HE arriving from 18+mi away to brighten your day! :D

I'll say Vermont or Alaska--since those are the only two states in the US that allow it...
Virginia has open carry with no license since summer of 2004.

Virginia has open carry with no license since summer of 2004.
Georgia has had an open carry law for a long time. Since before I moved here in 1993. In fact, the town I moved to had a law that required households to own a weapon. I can't remember the last home invasion in town. The thugs are smart enough to prey on the liberal Atlantans.

^^Kennesaw, Eh? I used to live there. I also have fired many weapons.

I despise guns in general, but when my husband and I first started dating, one of our friends determined that I needed to know how to clean a gun and how to shoot.

Needless to say, I was a lousy shot, and I only shot one or two rounds, and since then I have not had a desire to shoot anything beyond this stupid little plastic gun meant for play target shooting.

But I've shot a gun, and disassembled/reassembled it, and I also know how to make sure there's no bullet in the chamber even after the clip is empty.

BTW, I've truly forgotten what type of gun it was, but I could find out if you really want to know.

No.

Georgia has had an open carry law for a long time. Since before I moved here in 1993. In fact, the town I moved to had a law that required households to own a weapon. I can't remember the last home invasion in town. The thugs are smart enough to prey on the liberal Atlantans.
In Fairfax County, since 1995, we've had a steady decline in murder and rape.

The trend since 1999 to present for both is a decrease of more than 40 percent for each in terms of total numbers. In terms of percentage decrease per unit population, it's even greater.

This, despite the fact that thousands of people now carry concealed, and starting last year, thousands of people now carry openly. Haven't heard of any gunfights on the street, and every openly carried gun seems to be attached to a person of some maturity.

By CanuckHeaven's estimation, we should be constantly dodging bullets now, and stepping over the dead bodies in the street, and hiding from the hail of lead.

It's quieter here now than it was when I was growing up. And the population is far greater than it was when I was a kid in the 1960s.

I despise guns in general, but... <snip> But I've shot a gun, and disassembled/reassembled it, and I also know how to make sure there's no bullet in the chamber even after the clip is empty.
Then you are smarter and more knowledgable than 99% of the "anti-gun" faction. You know what you like (and why), know what you don't like (and why), and know what is real and safe - even if you don't like it.

I applaud you.

I work for the Virginia DOC :headbang: and besides having 38's, shotguns 20 guage, we also have Ar-15's which we have to requalify with every 6 -9 months. :sniper: Came close to shooting an Im 4 yeras ago but the little buggers get on moving, they need to hold still next time :D In addition I have a 357 magnum, glock 9 milimeter, and a shot gun 12 guage. I have done allot of target shooting, but not much of a hinter...prfers to fish instead. :)

I've shot a gun! I did, I did! Yay, I'm popular...um...whooooooooooooooooo!

yup.

^^Kennesaw, Eh? I used to live there. I also have fired many weapons.
I lived out by the battlefield. We had to move because I was collecting too many weapons. Really, the area just got too crowded and I got a job in Gwinnett. We moved well east of Gwinnett to avoid the overcrowding there.

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I have used many types of firearms, and hunted, too. It's ok as long as you eat what you shoot, that's my philosophy. And yes, I'm a girl. And no, I'm not a lesbian. And yes, I'm single! lol.

Virginia has open carry with no license since summer of 2004.

I was back to the concealed carry.... :D Back to you, Abbott!

{"The Marines qualify with the M-16 out to 800 yards.
The Army (unless you're a REMF) qualifies out to 300 yards.

Yes, the Marine rifle training is better.

The Army Sniper training is quite good, though. There are also Marksmanship Training Units attached to Army units that teach you how to shoot like a Marine (one I attended was taught by retired Marines). "}

I don't know where you got your info from, USMC only quals from the 500 yard line. (At least as of the last time I quald' May 04). The maximum effective range of the M16A2 Service rifle is 800 yards. the maximum range of the M16A2 is 850 yards. The M4 is not the new M16 the Grunts (General replacement usually not trained) are still field testing both the M16A4 (New design that allows for attachments other than the 203) and the M4 (with collapsable stock). As far as MTU's that teach you how to shoot like Marines, That's news to me. Many people claim a lot of things for the hype. Also people tend to spread rumors which leads to exaguration. Please try to keep both to a minimum. If you don't know the facts, don't make the statement.

I live in the southern USA. Around here, its probably easier to ask "is there anyone here who has never shot a gun?". Whether hunting, clay shooting, or just target practice, most kids around here have shot a gun by the time they are 10.

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By CanuckHeaven's estimation, we should be constantly dodging bullets now, and stepping over the dead bodies in the street, and hiding from the hail of lead.

It's quieter here now than it was when I was growing up. And the population is far greater than it was when I was a kid in the 1960s.
Folks like CanuckHeaven cannot bring themselves to make the most important distinction between people that possess weapons. There are those that obey the law and those that don't. I could have a 155 Howitzer in my back yard and ammo in the garage. The thing would be as safe as a museum piece because I wouldn't violate a law. If, oh were it so, I could tow the thing to a range and fire it legally, that's the way it would be done. Not so for the people that don't obey laws. Which leads to the reason gun control will never work.


How about those serial numbers on bullets? California is struggling with that issue. What a joke!

Along with 9 years in the service, I have worked in the firearms industry for about ten years as well. I have been a competitive shooter for 20 years.

handgun, rifle, and shotgun.

{"The Marines qualify with the M-16 out to 800 yards.
The Army (unless you're a REMF) qualifies out to 300 yards.

Yes, the Marine rifle training is better.

The Army Sniper training is quite good, though. There are also Marksmanship Training Units attached to Army units that teach you how to shoot like a Marine (one I attended was taught by retired Marines). "}

I don't know where you got your info from, USMC only quals from the 500 yard line. (At least as of the last time I quald' May 04). The maximum effective range of the M16A2 Service rifle is 800 yards. the maximum range of the M16A2 is 850 yards. The M4 is not the new M16 the Grunts (General replacement usually not trained) are still field testing both the M16A4 (New design that allows for attachments other than the 203) and the M4 (with collapsable stock). As far as MTU's that teach you how to shoot like Marines, That's news to me. Many people claim a lot of things for the hype. Also people tend to spread rumors which leads to exaguration. Please try to keep both to a minimum. If you don't know the facts, don't make the statement.

I got the 800 yard thing from a Marine. But I was in the Army, and I attended sniper training and a local MTU. Yes, the M4 is a short version of the M16 (I never said it was the same weapon), and the XM-8 is what's replacing the M16.

I've been to the MTUs. Most light infantry units have them. The one at Ft. Campbell qualified you on the M-24 from 300 to 1200 yards. And I'm not spreading rumors.

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?



I served my time (15 months) and got to fire the usual stuff.
G 3, Uzi, P 08, I was offered to fire the other stuff too, like bazookas, machine-guns, AKs, flamer, FK 20, but I didn't bother.
There are also some friends who let me fire their irons on occation some time ago. But since I have this mental problems nowadays, nobody responible would leave a gun in my hands. :cool:

{"The Marines qualify with the M-16 out to 800 yards.
The Army (unless you're a REMF) qualifies out to 300 yards.

Yes, the Marine rifle training is better.

The Army Sniper training is quite good, though. There are also Marksmanship Training Units attached to Army units that teach you how to shoot like a Marine (one I attended was taught by retired Marines). "}

I don't know where you got your info from, USMC only quals from the 500 yard line. (At least as of the last time I quald' May 04). The maximum effective range of the M16A2 Service rifle is 800 yards. the maximum range of the M16A2 is 850 yards. The M4 is not the new M16 the Grunts (General replacement usually not trained) are still field testing both the M16A4 (New design that allows for attachments other than the 203) and the M4 (with collapsable stock). As far as MTU's that teach you how to shoot like Marines, That's news to me. Many people claim a lot of things for the hype. Also people tend to spread rumors which leads to exaguration. Please try to keep both to a minimum. If you don't know the facts, don't make the statement.

We appreciate the information, but remember, we're just a couple middle-aged men that have human memories. So lighten up on the tone.

At Cherry Point, you entered the range at the 1000 yard line and the targets were way, way, way down there. Even at the 500 yard line they were a long ways off.

Meh, I've fired a .22 rifle and a 9mm.

Once I move out on my own I'll probably get an assualt rifle or a class 3 weapon... you know, for self defense. :)

Hunh.
So, I'm, like, the only adult who served in the military here?

Yes, have been trained (and continue to practice) to use the usual range on infantry weapons.
Your question is what prompted my poll about Veterans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417130). So far there are 15 of us who admit to being extra-violent warmongering thugs :D

I've fired a .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun. I'll be getting some more experience on the subject later this year, because in July I'll begin my military service.

Your question is what prompted my poll about Veterans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417130). So far there are 15 of us who admit to being extra-violent warmongering thugs :D
The mix of who is a vet is the interesting part of that poll.

The mix of who is a vet is the interesting part of that poll. No doubt.

Oh, btw, I believe the cite is: "Tax the rich, feed the poor 'Til the rich are no more." Meter flows better.

Well, have you? And I don't mean blanks. Have you ever fired a live round?
Yes. Lots. I have helped teach how to shoot (which is a joke, cause I suck, just got lumped with it one day at work). I have never, and will never point a gun at anything living however. I target shoot exclusivley, and do not and will not own a gun. But I enjoy shooting at work in the summer (I work for the BSA in the summer)

Yes plenty of times, rabbits, pigs and kangaroos are my fav targets.
I just helped my little second cousin build his first Bin Laden target out of an old sheet straw stuffing, dark sheeps wool(for the beard) and some pine wood.
We spent a happy and forfilled twenty minutes blasting the hell out of it with our 222.

When I was in the Infantry I shot a whole lot of gun, but since getting out (a year before 9-11) I haven’t done hardly any shooting. I do notice that when walking in the woods I feel funny without having an assault rifle cradled in my arms (I think any soldier feels the same once the tools of the trade are no longer as familiar).

Anyone hitting anything at 800 meters with a US M-16 is a fluke. They’re a short-range assault rifle and once you get out passed 400 meters tend to be pretty useless. They may be high velocity but they’re still just .223. They’re just not built for long range shooting. I used the Canadian built variant: it has a longer barrel for more accuracy; stronger plastic stock parts that don’t crack in the Arctic; a scope (that has its good points and bad points); and a full auto setting instead of 3 round burst (because they trust us not to go Rambo with our weapons). I’ve also fired a lot with the FN C1-A1 assault rifle 7.62mm and the Sterling-Harding 9mm submachine gun.

Never shot a .50 cal machine gun (although have stripped, assembled, and cleaned them), but have shot a lot of trusty .308 machine gun ammo and the light machine gun companion to the M-16. Fired a mortar and rocket launcher on ranges; tossed more grenades than I can remember on ranges and live fire assault courses; but never got to fire any of the heavier vehicle weapons or even a TOW. On my battle school course the Warrant Officer took us to a shooting range to fire handguns for the afternoon, to learn new skills, but handguns really don’t get used a lot in the Infantry.

In civilian life I’ve shot a .357 Magnum, a Lee Enfield rifle, and on one occasion a buddy of mine with a loader prepared 1000 rounds of 9mm and three of us went nutty one day on a private range. I was almost sick of shooting by the time we finished up putting that many rounds down range.

I have to say going out to the range and the live fire assault courses are things I really miss from the Infantry. I always felt that going out to the range was sort of a relaxing picnicky kind of event.

The Bruce

I shot a gun once. Damn thing tried to steal my woman!

Seriously, though. I've shot a .22 rifle and .22 pistol. Nothing big. I was a pretty good shot with them, but again, they're only .22s.

Yes, but I'm a very dreadful shot, which is very embarrassing.

I’ve never actually fired a shotgun (more of a navy and special ops weapon), although as a kid I worked at a local rod and gun club launching clay pigeons from a bunker. We’d inscribe names on them and cheer our clay pigeons on. During one shoot we asked permission to recover a special pigeon that had survived three launches and made a soft landing.

I know a lot of assault rifles in modern armies have scopes these days and wonder what other shooters feel about them. From an Infantry perspective I’m of a mixed mind. On the one hand you don’t have to carry around binoculars when you can search ground with your scope. It does allow for better shooting at range.

The downside I found was that rain mucks up the lens and anytime you jar the weapon (like buttstroking through a door or have it badly handled during shipping) you also jar the position of the scope and need to resight it on the range. You also run the risk of getting tunnel vision, when you use a scope and run a high risk of friendly fire when this happens. When it comes to all round infantry use, I tend to lean towards iron sights over scopes. The British SLR assault rifle seems to have dealt with some problems I’ve encountered with their scope, but I still think the iron sights are probably still the best way to go for general use.

The Bruce

Anyone hitting anything at 800 meters with a US M-16 is a fluke. They’re a short-range assault rifle and once you get out passed 400 meters tend to be pretty useless. They may be high velocity but they’re still just .223. They’re just not built for long range shooting.

Tell that to the people who shoot the M-16 in the National Matches. The bullet might not have enough oomph to kill anyone at that range, but you can hit something waaay out there if you're really good.

I shot a gun once. Damn thing tried to steal my woman!


Hey, it's better than your woman trying to steal your gun....! :D And she did successfully, mind you--that's why I had to get another one. :cool:

In the carnaval and I'm bad at it.

In the carnaval and I'm bad at it.

Of course you are. Carnie's adjust the sights so you miss.

I grew up on guns. It was hardly atypical for my mother to pack a picnic lunch in the trunk next to my father's gun-rack for a Sunday afternoon trip to the range. In hindsight, barbie dolls and bullets were an interesting combination in the socialization process of a pre-teen girl, but I recommend it: it toughens both skin and character.

Tell that to the people who shoot the M-16 in the National Matches. The bullet might not have enough oomph to kill anyone at that range, but you can hit something waaay out there if you're really good.
Agreed. In the NRA matches, I can usually get in the 8 ring at 600 yards. That's about 18 inches. I'm no good, anymore, though. The good shooters are getting all 10s with a lot of X's. I'm a little more wild at 1000 yards, but the good guys are still hitting all 10s with only a few less X's.

When the Swiss switched to the NATO standard of ammunition (not that they are in NATO or anything, just that all the other kids were doing it) they had to redesign the ammunition because standard military casings (like those used in the US) didn’t allow them to shoot standoff style at long range across mountain valleys. The jackets on NATO rounds are too thin and cause the round to tumble and fragment when they hit their target.

I’m certain that under ideal conditions, taking their time, with expert shooters (such as marksmen and snipers for instance), the M-16 is viable passed 400 meters, but for the average combat soldier on a live fire assault range it isn’t as viable at those ranges. I never personally shot passed 600 meters with the M-16, but have with the section support weapon that is used with the M-16 (can’t remember what you call it down there)

The Bruce.

Not meaning to divert the discussion or anything~ but for all you ex-US-army guys~ it's official~ Austalian ultra-violent rockers can STILL beat the sox off drunken American sailors. Yesterday on the way to a punk show, we were waiting at a bus stop and these yankee guys from the USS Bohomme Richard, who were dead pissed, cam up and told my mate how great his mohawk was. Anyway, they got annoyed at this anti-US patch I have and there was a fight and we won :)

Serves 'em right for asking us where the local brothel was. Bastards.

When the Swiss switched to the NATO standard of ammunition (not that they are in NATO or anything, just that all the other kids were doing it) they had to redesign the ammunition because standard military casings (like those used in the US) didn’t allow them to shoot standoff style at long range across mountain valleys. The jackets on NATO rounds are too thin and cause the round to tumble and fragment when they hit their target.

I’m certain that under ideal conditions, taking their time, with expert shooters (such as marksmen and snipers for instance), the M-16 is viable passed 400 meters, but for the average combat soldier on a live fire assault range it isn’t as viable at those ranges. I never personally shot passed 600 meters with the M-16, but have with the section support weapon that is used with the M-16 (can’t remember what you call it down there)

The Bruce.
I can't imagine that the jackets are a problem as much as the bullet weight itself. The standard issue .223/5.56 mm round is 55 grains, I think. The transition from supersonic to subsonic flight probably happens somewhere after 600 yards. I've been loading 80 grain bullets for the 1000 yard matches forever. I load 69 grain bullets for everything else.

When the US was hunting for a pistol to replace the 1911, they ran into similar problems. The 9 mm that they were testing would be dead on at 25 yards, but wild at 50. Turns out it was a transonic problem. They solved it with a different load, I think, and adopted that substandard piece of crap Beretta.