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First of all, let me say that just because you use Firefox doesnt mean you are all knowing about computers. I literally cannot count the times that ive been talking to someone in RL or OL when the subject turns to computers. Now normally I would jump at the chance to nerd out in front of someone but when it becomes obvious that they have no fucking clue what im rambling on about they quickly come up with something along the lines of, "but I use Firefox!. Big fucking deal, last year before it was over popularized by G4s (formerly TTVs [may their souls rest in peace]) Kevin Rose it was a good browser. Granted it was a bit plain but thats OK. It was at the time better then IE. Now besides the fact that Kevin Rose is an annoying and neo-rebellious Televison personality who has the ability to ruin once cool internet fads like King Midas turned trash to gold.

Now let me get to the meat of this argument. The minute Firefox started getting huge press was the day it was fated to become the next IE. And what really kills me is that people still tout it as the "underground" browser. Bull fucking shit. As it grows in popularity each week, the more holes in its security are being discovered. Not to mention coders for spyware companies have started writing spyware for Firefox! So do yourselves a favor, dont follow trends, dont listen to the TV, do your own research, and use what browser you think is right for you. What am I using? Opera.

I just like the whole tabs feature firefox uses. But I don't claim any special knowledge because I use it.

I must admit that currently, I get almost no popups, spyware, or viruses, and this makes me very happy.

Really, if IE had tabs, they would be interchangable to me.

I just like the whole tabs feature firefox uses. But I don't claim any special knowledge because I use it.

I must admit that currently, I get almost no popups, spyware, or viruses, and this makes me very happy.

Really, if IE had tabs, they would be interchangable to me.

All respectable browsers have tabs...

My IE always locks up on me. Firefox never does...

Tabs, Foxymusic, and ForecastFox, as well as themes. But aside from that, meh. Its free. More than I can say for Opera.

So do yourselves a favor, dont follow trends, dont listen to the TV, do your own research, and use what browser you think is right for you. What am I using? Opera.

Masses of people go out and buy Opera...."Oh man! It happened again!"

But seriously...my computer has done better with Firefox than IE. There will still be holes in anything, but for now, FireFox is better than IE, for sure.

Haven't tried Opera though...

Tabs, Foxymusic, and ForecastFox, as well as themes. But aside from that, meh. Its free. More than I can say for Opera.

Again, all repectable browsers have similar plugins... I didnt think this would be that obvious but... if you pay for anything you could get with the internet then you dont deserve it.

Although everything you say in the actual post is true, the title of your post is not. Firefox is much better than IE on every count. Less vulnerabilities, unaffected by most spyware, faster, smaller memory footprint, more customizable, tabbed browsing, better download manager, etc.

I agree with your actual post, but the title is extremely misleading and factually incorrect.

Masses of people go out and buy Opera...."Oh man! It happened again!"

But seriously...my computer has done better with Firefox than IE. There will still be holes in anything, but for now, FireFox is better than IE, for sure.

Haven't tried Opera though...

Thats why you should try Opera...

What are the advantages of Opera, if you please?

What are the advantages of Opera, if you please?

Features out the ass, tabs, skins, plugins, motion browsing, looks sexy, the wand, etc etc. More than I can say for Firefox... Jesus Christ the way people lie and defend it you would think it was the second coming... :roll eyes:

I've never used anything but Internet Explorer, and I've never had a bit of trouble with spyware or viruses, despite my roommate constantly downloading tons of it. I don't get what the big idea is. As long as you don't act like an imbecile with your computer, you should never have any problems.

I still prefer Firefox. I don't claim that Firefox gives me special computer knowledge; I have other credentials to prove that (I was recently accepted for a beta-testing of a new MovieWorks program, actually). I have used Opera, and I didn't like the feel of the browser as much; the third-party extention and theme developers for Firefox (I only get the ones that the Mozilla guys have accepted onto their site for download and have good reviews) are a huge edge, as is the fact that I don't need to PAY to get rid of the ads.

I still prefer Firefox. I don't claim that Firefox gives me special computer knowledge; I have other credentials to prove that (I was recently accepted for a beta-testing of a new MovieWorks program, actually). I have used Opera, and I didn't like the feel of the browser as much; the third-party extention and theme developers for Firefox (I only get the ones that the Mozilla guys have accepted onto their site for download and have good reviews) are a huge edge, as is the fact that I don't need to PAY to get rid of the ads.

Ill give you a hint, it starts with a c and ends in racks.

Ill give you a hint, it starts with a c and ends in racks.

Some of us have morals and consider stealing wrong.

I've never used anything but Internet Explorer, and I've never had a bit of trouble with spyware or viruses, despite my roommate constantly downloading tons of it. I don't get what the big idea is. As long as you don't act like an imbecile with your computer, you should never have any problems.

God point. One thing people dont realize is that just having a nice browser doesnt make it your Aegis against the harms of the internet. Alot of the part of keeping your computer safe is common sense, and good judgement. (and spyware and virus progs)

Some of us have morals and consider stealing wrong.

Then get off the internet cause' we dont pay for shit here. :D

I downloaded a free trial of opera and I got lost and confused with the menus, it didnt have the bookmarks all lined up like I have in Firefox. I sometimes use IE because i have to. Some sites are IE only(Which really sucks) and everytime i try to download something on IE i have to change the settings, allow that URL to download items...with Firefox its fast and easy...

Plus I have my pimpzilla theme on FF installed :)

Then get off the internet cause' we dont pay for shit here. :D

Speak for yourself. Some of us buy our proprietary software.

I think that Firefox is a great browser.

And there isn't anything wrong with something that starts with C and ends with Racks. Morals schmorals.

God point. One thing people dont realize is that just having a nice browser doesnt make it your Aegis against the harms of the internet. Alot of the part of keeping your computer safe is common sense, and good judgement. (and spyware and virus progs)

I don't understand why people need their browser to DO shit. Internet Explorer does everything I want it to: open web sites (mostly this one). I don't get the need for 95 million crazy, extraneous featues.

I downloaded a free trial of opera and I got lost and confused with the menus, it didnt have the bookmarks all lined up like I have in Firefox. I sometimes use IE because i have to. Some sites are IE only(Which really sucks) and everytime i try to download something on IE i have to change the settings, allow that URL to download items...with Firefox its fast and easy...

Plus I have my pimpzilla theme on FF installed :)

Sorry Opera was too complex. Well, thats not the right word, it just seems overwhemling at first with all the options but once you decicde which ones you need and which ones you dont it can become really simple to use. And theres the whole issue of browser transition, getting use to the new one, etc.

I don't understand why people need their browser to DO shit. Internet Explorer does everything I want it to: open web sites (mostly this one). I don't get the need for 95 million crazy, extraneous featues.

I for one like the million extra features, tabs being one of them...

I for one like the million extra features, tabs being one of them...

I don't know what the hell tabs are, nor can I imagine having any need for whatever they are.

Speak for yourself. Some of us buy our proprietary software.

I do speak for myself, and the some odd 1 billion people whole use the internet every day who dont buy anything they can get for free. And then theres the issue of Pirate ethics which I wont get into.

I don't know what the hell tabs are, nor can I imagine having any need for whatever they are.

Have you ever tried them? DL firefox opera or slimbrowser and use the tabs feature... you'll love it.

Sorry Opera was too complex. Well, thats not the right word, it just seems overwhemling at first with all the options but once you decicde which ones you need and which ones you dont it can become really simple to use. And theres the whole issue of browser transition, getting use to the new one, etc.

Eh. I spent a good hour trying to get it to work the way I wanted it too but it didn't. I like features, but not the oeverhelming amount that Opera has, or the ammount of pop-ups I got from IE.

Have you ever tried them? DL firefox opera or slimbrowser and use the tabs feature... you'll love it.

Nope. What do they do? How do they assist in viewing web pages?

Nope. What do they do? How do they assist in viewing web pages?

It lets you have multiple pages open in the same window. Instead of having IE open 10 times to view different pages.

Nope. What do they do? How do they assist in viewing web pages?

It's for the crazy multitaskers.

OMG, I GOTTA LOOK AT 50 PAGES AT ONCE!!!!!

:p

Yep, I is one of em.

It lets you have multiple pages open in the same window. Instead of having IE open 10 times to view different pages.
Or in many cases IE opened to 10 different sites, with 30 windows of pop-ups. I get only one or 2 popups and thats only on a particular site, and they open in a tab and close themselves thanks to the Java settings i have made and a nice Plugin.

It lets you have multiple pages open in the same window. Instead of having IE open 10 times to view different pages.

The most I've ever had to look at is like three or four pages. I think I'll manage.

Or in many cases IE opened to 10 different sites, with 30 windows of pop-ups. I get only one or 2 popups and thats only on a particular site, and they open in a tab and close themselves thanks to the Java settings i have made and a nice Plugin.

How do you people get so many pop-ups with IE? I get maybe one a day, and usually it's from goddamned AIM.

Features out the ass, tabs, skins, plugins, motion browsing, looks sexy, the wand, etc etc. More than I can say for Firefox... Jesus Christ the way people lie and defend it you would think it was the second coming... :roll eyes:
Opera site:
Fresh new look
We've cleaned up our front yard. The Opera 8 interface is designed to make the advanced functions easy and effective to use. Menus, toolbars and other elements have undergone our "slim and clean"-routine. The licensed version has the largest browsing area in the industry.
Themes made by third parties mean that I can CUSTOMIZE my appearance, instead of relying on them to guess what I want. Plus, once more, LICENSED VERSION.

Security

Stay away from spy-ware, viruses, and other malicious applications that silently attack your computer while you are surfing the Web. For example, Opera displays security information inside the address bar, located next to the padlock icon that indicates the level of security present on a site. Opera 8 also provides protection against phishing attacks and automatically checks for security updates. More about security
Firefox touts: Built with your security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business.

Speed

We're holding on to our claim: "The Fastest Browser on Earth". In Opera 8, further improvements have been made in the way the browser reads pages to allow you to fly the Web.

For further information on just how good our rewritten scripting engine is, go to: (Browser speed comparison)
I'll conceed that Opera is faster, although in terms of practical usage, Firefox does well enough in this criterea that I feel its edges in other areas, such as PRICE/ad placement more than balance this.

Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking

Opera pioneered tabs and pop-up blocking ages ago. But they're still key features that more and more people start enjoying. With tabs you can open multiple pages within the same application window. Opera lets you control whether to block all pop-ups, or open only the ones that you have requested.
Yeah, Firefox has neither of those. [/sarcasm]

Integrated search

Search your favorite sites, for example Google, eBay, or Amazon without having to go to their Web pages. Use the integrated search window or search directly in the address field using shortcuts (e.g. writing "g Opera" in the address field will search for "Opera" using Google)
After some easy modification, I have a toolbar that gives me acess to 17 different searches, with plenty more accessible that I didn't feel any need for. All three of those listed, plus another 14.

Customization

Using the 'appearance' dialog you can make Opera look almost any way you want. Move buttons and search fields, add and remove toolbars, and so forth. Opera skins can change the look of your browser by giving it the icons and buttons of your choice.
Ok, scratch my earlier comment about skins. Firefox doeshave more available, but since people make what they like, a lot of them are junk - Opera, on the other hand, is marketed, so the skin list is cut down. Still, I like being ale to indulge with odd skins on occasion. Also, this basically kills the "Fresh New Look", seeing as you can customize it. Oh, by the way? Firefox is the most customizable browser thanks to, once more, the open source thrid-party community.

Password manager

Opera's password manager, the Wand, remembers your usernames and passwords so you will not have to. The password manager can store more than one username and password combination for each page, and will let you choose which one to use if multiple combinations are stored.
Yep. Firefox has this feature.

Voice

Opera is the first browser to prepare for a future of Web sites offering interactive, voice-enabled shopping and booking systems. You can browse the Web using spoken commands, such as "Opera next link", "Opera back", or "Opera speak". The latter command will make Opera read Web page content and e-mail messages to you aloud ,adding usability as either a screen reader or advanced dictionary. Voice is currently offered in English and works on Windows 2000 and XP. A headset with a microphone is required to use Voice. Ok, that is pretty hawt. I have to admit, I don't have that. It may not be that practical or useful, but it is the kind of thing that I get extensions for - it kicks ass.

Additional features

* Full support for Gmail
* Support for Atom newsfeeds
* First Web browser to natively support Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG)

I'm not sure what supporting g-mail means, but it works fine in my browser, if that's what it does.

Atom newsfeeds! RSS! Yay! Wait, you tell me that Firefox can do that? Easily? And with a cool icon to tell you when a page has one available? w00t!

I don't know enough about SVG to make any comments; I would appreciate it if someone could explain that.

By the way, I never started on the features Firefox advertises; while many of them overlap, there are others. But I'm refuting Opera, not displaying FF. Someone else can do that.



Oh, and while I do respect Opera, as it is a good browser, I have only this to say to IE users:
http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~kartikd/images/firefox-ate-ie_med.jpg





Oh, and Safari rocks :D


EDIT: Holy shit, two new pages while I was referencing Opera and Firefox sites to write this?!

Or in many cases IE opened to 10 different sites, with 30 windows of pop-ups. I get only one or 2 popups and thats only on a particular site, and they open in a tab and close themselves thanks to the Java settings i have made and a nice Plugin.

Not to mention running the same program multiple times is murder on your RAM, processor. (I had my old computer freeze like that once)

How do you people get so many pop-ups with IE? I get maybe one a day, and usually it's from goddamned AIM.

They get loads of spyware from browsing loads of porn sites.

They get loads of spyware from browsing loads of porn sites.

Or downloading music.

You HEATHENS!!!!!

:p

I don't know what the hell tabs are, nor can I imagine having any need for whatever they are.
That's what I said. That's what many of my firends said. We are all hooked.

Not to mention running the same program multiple times is murder on your RAM, processor. (I had my old computer freeze like that once)

Well you need 4 GB of RAM like me. :D

Well you need 4 GB of RAM like me. :D

Or 1gb of DDR-2 433mhz dual-channel RAM, like me :p.

The most I've ever had to look at is like three or four pages. I think I'll manage.

Its not just for multiple sites its for multiple pages. For example you can leave 4 or 5 threads of this forum open at once on different tabs. Or, say you are browsing a news site. Instead of clicking on a story reading it then going hitting back and looking for the next one, you can go through the site clicking with your middle mouse button every story that sounds interesting and they will all be opened in the background waiting for you to read them, once youve selected all the stories you want to read you can read them one by one, and close each tab as you finish reading it. Also, for auction sites, you can middle click on multiple auctions for the same item you are looking for and then look at each one carefully and even go back and forth quickly between two of them to compare rather than having to click on one read the details click back click on another one read the details, click back then go back to the original etc. Tabs are like the scroll wheel on a mouse. You dont know you need it until youve used it, and you dont know how useful it is until you go back to using one without it.

Well you need 4 GB of RAM like me. :D
Try 512 MB. When I have a Word document, MovieWorks (read: the ungodly RAM whore), and a browser, I'd rather have low RAM tabs than high ram windows.

Oh, and Safari rocks :D
I totaly agree. Its only for Macs tho. Great if they would make it cross platform. I myself am waiting for a Mac Mini...YAY macs!

Firefox is real good for me, even though some of the viruses on my computer manage to hijack it on occasion, it's still good. the only problem my computer has with FF is that firefox seems to consume virtual memory faster than IE does.

Pimpzilla owns dawg.

Firefox is real good for me, even though some of the viruses on my computer manage to hijack it on occasion, it's still good. the only problem my computer has with FF is that firefox seems to consume virtual memory faster than IE does.
Really? FF has been eating my RAM a lot less than IE did, at least assuming a comparable number of IE windows/FF tabs.

Addendum to my previous rant:

Look at the title. Not any better than IE? Oh really? My rant comparing it to Opera also shows why it is better than IE - I think IE might have two of those features mentioned.

Firefox is real good for me, even though some of the viruses on my computer manage to hijack it on occasion, it's still good. the only problem my computer has with FF is that firefox seems to consume virtual memory faster than IE does.
But when that happens, you can launch the Safe mode. Havent had an issue with that. Absolutley no popups with that mode. Except it doesnt save cookies or something so it never remembers me on Gmail.

heh, forgot to <tag>

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I'll conceed that Opera is faster, although in terms of practical usage, Firefox does well enough in this criterea that I feel its edges in other areas, such as PRICE/ad placement more than balance this.


See my earlier posts about why price is irrelevant.

Yeah, Firefox has neither of those. [/sarcasm]

So do all other respectable browsers.

After some easy modification, I have a toolbar that gives me acess to 17 different searches, with plenty more accessible that I didn't feel any need for. All three of those listed, plus another 14.


Again, Opera has this.

Ok, scratch my earlier comment about skins. Firefox doeshave more available, but since people make what they like, a lot of them are junk - Opera, on the other hand, is marketed, so the skin list is cut down. Still, I like being ale to indulge with odd skins on occasion. Also, this basically kills the "Fresh New Look", seeing as you can customize it. Oh, by the way? Firefox is the most customizable browser thanks to, once more, the open source thrid-party community.


I will admit, Open Source is the future of software. Im 100% sure that if microsoft doesnt make Longhorn or future versions of Windows open source they will quickly become obsolete.

Ok, that is pretty hawt. I have to admit, I don't have that. It may not be that practical or useful, but it is the kind of thing that I get extensions for - it kicks ass.


Meh, mouse movements are better in my opinion. ( I have played with the voice before... its interesting to say the least. The only practical uses I could this of are, people who have no hands or arms, really lazy people, people who like the sound of their own voice, and Trekkies who like talking to their computers a la the show.)


Atom newsfeeds! RSS! Yay! Wait, you tell me that Firefox can do that? Easily? And with a cool icon to tell you when a page has one available? w00t!


Other browsers do this as well.

I don't know enough about SVG to make any comments; I would appreciate it if someone could explain that.


http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/ I think its pretty exciting.


By the way, I never started on the features Firefox advertises; while many of them overlap, there are others. But I'm refuting Opera, not displaying FF. Someone else can do that.


Refuting Opera? I never said it was a better browser than Firefox, but in the coming months due to over popularization Firefox will mostl iekly suffer the same fate as IE.

Oh, and while I do respect Opera, as it is a good browser, I have only this to say to IE users:
http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~kartikd/images/firefox-ate-ie_med.jpg


http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~kartikd/images/firefox-ate-ie_med.jpg

Fixed it for you... ( i think)

Oh, and Safari rocks :D


Yay! We agree on something!


Now, if you will kindly read my post I stated a big part of finding the prodigal "perfect browser" is your personal prefrences.

Really? FF has been eating my RAM a lot less than IE did, at least assuming a comparable number of IE windows/FF tabs.
well, every once in a while, i actually have more than one firefox window up, so that may be why ff seems to consume virtual memory at times.

Or 1gb of DDR-2 433mhz dual-channel RAM, like me :p.

DDR2 is useless. Im waiting to upgrade to DDR3 (2006).

All respectable browsers have tabs...

Hrm. Well, so far, for me anyways, Firefox is the only respectable one for me. IE (as far as I can tell) can't do tabs within the same window. I also like the fact that I can put all my favorites sites in a toolbar right below the address bar. No more keeping the fave sidebar thingy open anymore (see I don't even know the proper lingo, lol).

I claim no special knowledge of the browser. I just know I don't get pop-ups and such anymore. And I'm happy with it.

I remember I was trying to log into some site (through IE) that go to frequently and for whatever reason it wasn't working. Switched to Firefox and like magic it worked.

Hrm. Well, so far, for me anyways, Firefox is the only respectable one for me. IE (as far as I can tell) can't do tabs within the same window. I also like the fact that I can put all my favorites sites in a toolbar right below the address bar. No more keeping the fave sidebar thingy open anymore (see I don't even know the proper lingo, lol).

I claim no special knowledge of the browser. I just know I don't get pop-ups and such anymore. And I'm happy with it.

I remember I was trying to log into some site (through IE) that go to frequently and for whatever reason it wasn't working. Switched to Firefox and like magic it worked.

Thats wonderful, but the point I was trying to make (through covert insulting) was that IE is not respectable since it has no tabs and is behind the time.

Opera all the way, I do have Firefox as well, I never use IE, since I don't feel well when using it. It's like leaving the door of my place open with a note "Please steal everything" and go on a 4 months vacation.

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See my earlier posts about why price is irrelevant.



So do all other respectable browsers.



Again, Opera has this.



I will admit, Open Source is the future of software. Im 100% sure that if microsoft doesnt make Longhorn or future versions of Windows open source they will quickly become obsolete.



Meh, mouse movements are better in my opinion. ( I have played with the voice before... its interesting to say the least. The only practical uses I could this of are, people who have no hands or arms, really lazy people, people who like the sound of their own voice, and Trekkies who like talking to their computers a la the show.)




Other browsers do this as well.



http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/ I think its pretty exciting.




Refuting Opera? I never said it was a better browser than Firefox, but in the coming months due to over popularization Firefox will mostl iekly suffer the same fate as IE.



http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~kartikd/images/firefox-ate-ie_med.jpg

Fixed it for you... ( i think)




Yay! We agree on something!


Now, if you will kindly read my post I stated a big part of finding the prodigal "perfect browser" is your personal prefrences.

Price's irrelevancy - I'm not going to go illegal on that. I get cleverly around the law, but I *avoid* breaking it.

All of the "so do other browsers" - well, then it isn't a reason Opera is better. My point proven.

Opera's modifyable search bar - it probably does have it, but they don't mention it, just the ability to Google and type g [search term].

Open source - well, M$ would go out of business if it goes OS too - you can't make money if you plaster the code over the net.

Mouse movements - yeah, I use mouse gestures a lot. My point on voice wasn't usefulness, it was sheer coolness - release your inner geek! It doesn't need to be practical, it needs to have unneeded yet awesome functionality!

Thanks for fixing the image - the code here works a bit differently from the forum I most often use. I'll repair that.

Yup, we definately agree. Safari needs a windows port!

Personal preference - agreed, but I am overzealous and besides, I figure both views should be out there.

Open source - well, M$ would go out of business if it goes OS too - you can't make money if you plaster the code over the net.


I actually think if MS went OS it could save the company. That way they would be competeing with talented OS programmers to make the best use out of the source code.

I actually think if MS went OS it could save the company. That way they would be competeing with talented OS programmers to make the best use out of the source code.
Right, btu if the code is there for free, who will pay? Keep in mind that even if it makes Windows insanely popular, it doesn't make money, so it will bankrupt the company.

Right, btu if the code is there for free, who will pay? Keep in mind that even if it makes Windows insanely popular, it doesn't make money, so it will bankrupt the company.

Meh, maybe in my fantasy world where everything is perfect and bandwidth grows on trees. Alas it was not to be...

Meh, maybe in my fantasy world where everything is perfect and bandwidth grows on trees. Alas it was not to be...
*smiles* I can see a bandwidth tree now, the ripe T3's falling off its branches - and look, my RAM plant just grew an extra GB! XD

Price is relevant. Stealing illegally will only get you caught in the long run, morals be damned.

Or in many cases IE opened to 10 different sites, with 30 windows of pop-ups. I get only one or 2 popups and thats only on a particular site, and they open in a tab and close themselves thanks to the Java settings i have made and a nice Plugin.What plugin do you use to do this?

I must say, the only thing firefox does for me is the tabbed browsing. I only got it to see what the fuss was about.

"Firefox is over hyped and not any better than IE."

"There were never any concentration camps!"

"We didnt land on the moon, it was staged!"

"WMD...Terrori...Oi...uhm...Human rights!"

You deserve a place in the hall of fame. Though I actually use netscape, anything is better than IE. I only wish I could delete it off of my computer, I get pop-ups without ever running the crap, and I use ad-aware.

Stealing illegally will only get you caught in the long run, morals be damned.

Only if you are bad at it, or do it so much(and thats alot) that you get the government to worry about you. Stealing illegally(uhm, as opposed to legally?) once in a while, especially from the internet, is both a harmless and ethical process(Nobody literally loses anything from the download, making it harmless. Ethical, at least to me, because I dont steal things I would normally buy.)

Well you need 4 GB of RAM like me. :D
Actually, unless a program is specially designed to take advantage of the extra ram, anything more than about 2 gigs doesn't give you any performance increase and there is actually a very slight decrease. At least assuming you have some sort of DDR ram. Rambus ram is a different story entirely.

First of all, let me say that just because you use Firefox doesnt mean you are all knowing about computers. I literally cannot count the times that ive been talking to someone in RL or OL when the subject turns to computers. Now normally I would jump at the chance to nerd out in front of someone but when it becomes obvious that they have no fucking clue what im rambling on about they quickly come up with something along the lines of, "but I use Firefox!. Big fucking deal, last year before it was over popularized by G4s (formerly TTVs [may their souls rest in peace]) Kevin Rose it was a good browser. Granted it was a bit plain but thats OK. It was at the time better then IE. Now besides the fact that Kevin Rose is an annoying and neo-rebellious Televison personality who has the ability to ruin once cool internet fads like King Midas turned trash to gold.

Now let me get to the meat of this argument. The minute Firefox started getting huge press was the day it was fated to become the next IE. And what really kills me is that people still tout it as the "underground" browser. Bull fucking shit. As it grows in popularity each week, the more holes in its security are being discovered. Not to mention coders for spyware companies have started writing spyware for Firefox! So do yourselves a favor, dont follow trends, dont listen to the TV, do your own research, and use what browser you think is right for you. What am I using? Opera.
See, the internet has done something artificial that you are having a hard time with-

Geeking out is still geeking out-and if the person you are talking to doesn't know 'jack shit' about computers it's because they don't give a rats ass and you are boring the hell out of them. So they interject, in an effort to be polite and keep up with your nerd ramble, that they use some browser some other cat-who probably bored the hell out of them as well-recomended. Why? Because they wanted to be savvy or bleeding edge? No-probably because they felt that if they did this troubling little nerd would leave them alone for half a damn second.

Not everyone who has a computer wants to spend hours needling around with all the damn minutia and bells and whistles and doo-hickies that make it fart rainbows-they just want it to turn on, amuse/inform/organize and then turn off without being more trouble than going to the library. To do that we have to, every once in a while, humour a tweaker with an exagerated sense of importance ramble on about what is essentially gobbly de goop. If you keep this in mind not only will you be less frustrated, but so will the people you talk to.

My IE always locks up on me. Firefox never does...
Yeah, and IE gets riddled with spyware, while Firefox NEVER does. And tabbed browsing is awesome.

The claim in the title of the thread is that Firefox isn't better than IE, but I see nothing to back this claim up.

That's of course because it's not true. Firefox has more functionality and way better security. Security holes will of course always exist, in every product, but Firefox has a long way to go before it's even close to as insecure as IE is. A vulnerability in Firefox will typically not compromise the entire system either, as is usually the case with IE.

To sum it up: IE bad, Firefox good, thread stupid.

DDR2 is useless. Im waiting to upgrade to DDR3 (2006).
You do realize that as soon as the tech currently being used in the PS3 comes to personal computing both DDR2 and 3 will be useless right?

You do realize that as soon as the tech currently being used in the PS3 comes to personal computing both DDR2 and 3 will be useless right?

I heard about that cell processor shit. When I see it at E3 ill make a descion about it.

See, the internet has done something artificial that you are having a hard time with-

Geeking out is still geeking out-and if the person you are talking to doesn't know 'jack shit' about computers it's because they don't give a rats ass and you are boring the hell out of them. So they interject, in an effort to be polite and keep up with your nerd ramble, that they use some browser some other cat-who probably bored the hell out of them as well-recomended. Why? Because they wanted to be savvy or bleeding edge? No-probably because they felt that if they did this troubling little nerd would leave them alone for half a damn second.

Not everyone who has a computer wants to spend hours needling around with all the damn minutia and bells and whistles and doo-hickies that make it fart rainbows-they just want it to turn on, amuse/inform/organize and then turn off without being more trouble than going to the library. To do that we have to, every once in a while, humour a tweaker with an exagerated sense of importance ramble on about what is essentially gobbly de goop. If you keep this in mind not only will you be less frustrated, but so will the people you talk to.

One I dont care. Two Ill have you know my social engineering skills are only at level 3 but I have been working on that (im about to level up). And you know what? Dont come in here and insult me, K? Id appreciate it that if you dont have something neutral to say dont say it at all.

To sum it up: IE bad, Firefox good, thread stupid.

First of all you didnt even cite sources to prove that FF is any better than IE. Secondly dont insult my thread. It was going along quite nicely until a couple people *cough cough* decided to attack my character. Now im sure you wouldnt want to have personal attacks leveled against you and I certainly dont want them directed at me. Not even on a damn BBS where you havent met me...

"Firefox is over hyped and not any better than IE."

"There were never any concentration camps!"

"We didnt land on the moon, it was staged!"

"WMD...Terrori...Oi...uhm...Human rights!"

You deserve a place in the hall of fame. Though I actually use netscape, anything is better than IE. I only wish I could delete it off of my computer, I get pop-ups without ever running the crap, and I use ad-aware.


Netscape? Or Mozilla? (I know they're the same but are you an old version of Netscape or the latter?)

And there are ways to remove IE completely from your system.

Meh!

In my case, spyware infestation went down with FireFox.

I still have to use IE for somethings as microsoft requires it and some of the vendor sites respond better.

Other then that. Firefox for me.

In my humble unbiased opinion, you can only judge an application by it's source code. Because of this, IE and Opera are both out of the question automaticly. If it's not open source, I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole!
Also, I don't use Firefox to describe tech wisdom, I prefer to put "CCNA" at the end of my name. That's what it's there for, right?

Anyone tried Netcaptor... works good as well.

I use at Firefox and Tbird at home and work. I like a program that does not cost and you can mess around with it. I use Linux at work anyway, so IE is out.
The advantage with FF is that if there is a problem, you can report a bug and get feed back from the peeps that fix things... As well as the fast response to security issues, mozilla usually has them fixed quick.

By the way, there are some nice plugins for FF like autocopy, gmail (as mentioned) as well as others...

It sits at 15.9% of CPU with a top of around 11% mem. I have 512ram, and not the fast kind, with 2.2g cpu. SuSE 9.3 ;-)

What plugin do you use to do this?

Well, I just got the advanced tabs settings plugin (Get plugin here (http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/site/TheOneKEA/tabprefs/)) and then configured the Java settings to open everything in a new window. I got another plugin that closes tabs after a designated ammount of inactivity. Just dont go to the pop-up page your fine...

IE seems to crack the shits and collapse (bringing down half of windows with it) every time I use it for more than 10 minutes. Now I use opera.

the only problem my computer has with FF is that firefox seems to consume virtual memory faster than IE does.

That's weird. I run Firefox in Linux and my swap partition practically never sees any usage, no matter what I run concurrently.

With Firefox, Rythmbox, The Gimp, a terminal, Synaptic, GAIM and Nautilus windows open:

fass@localhost:~$ df -T -h
--snip--
tmpfs tmpfs 252M 0 252M 0% /dev/shm
--snip--

For me the deciding factor is speed. When running IE and Firefox on the same computer, Firefox is noticibly faster.

I have tried 4 browsers and find firefox suits my needs best. Just the adblock feature makes it worth while as I hate trying to read something and having an animated advertisment jumping around. Its great to just be able to get rid of the annoying thing. The tabs are great too. I also find it faster than IE.

Firefox here as well.
Tabs and the long list of plugins and skins make it fun and practial. I've even got my workplace to switch.

Now I just need to get the Isreali Stock Exchange to support the standard, rather than Microsoft propriety settings we'll be happy. :D

It's for the crazy multitaskers.

OMG, I GOTTA LOOK AT 50 PAGES AT ONCE!!!!!

:p

Yep, I is one of em.

Agreed, though I do that regardless of browser I am using (IE or Firefox). I dislike mozilla/firefox to some extend, because it loads pages "slower"... Which I notice from being on a 10Mb ReachDSL... IE definitely loads faster for me. More- or-less I can "watch" pages load on Firefox/Mozilla and Netscape, but in IE the page transition is virtually instantaneous.

As for spyware/virus... I have a suite of other utilities to handle that... NPF's Adblocker and Adtrashcan is very usefull... And SpybotS&D handles my spyware concerns. (Spyware isn't just a product of net-browsing, it also can come "attached" to free programs you download). And Nav Corporate is my preffered virus scanner... But then, not everyone can afford that hunk of a virus scanner (being in networking however, I find it usefull.... initiating virus sweeps of all of my home machines from my server with one click, is really usefull).

Their are pluses and minuses to everything. As linux and the open-source world keep gaining influence, more holes are found in the software. Their relative safety is more of a product of limited use of the products. More MS Windows = More hacks and virus' for it..... More useage of IE = more hacks and exploits of it.... The "hacker/cracker" world follows the rules of "supply and demand" to a tee.... The more of something there is, the more likelyhood of exploits against it. What I dislike of the open-source world vs. the Corporate contolled world, is the corporate entities seem to close holes in their systems quicker, given the more "control" and "heirarchy" involved in their devlopment. It takes between 5 and 10 days for MS to close a open hole, or for SARC to put build a new def for a virus'... The Open Source world takes about 2-5 months to do it.... It's a matter of heirarchy... SARC and MS have teams to order around.... The Open Source community has to rely on independants to do their work for them, when the independents get around to it....

I will give some Linux Distros kudos though, Mandrake and Redhat do alot of the work in Linux that makes it a viable competitor in an industry raft with illiterate comuter users, to make it competitive with MS and MacOS... If it weren't for some of these emergence Distros, Linux would be a BackOffice OS with no competitive ability in the open market as a whole. Even then, it still has alot of devlopment to go.

Ive had firefox before. It was nothing special. Just make sure to not to get Microsoft Internet Explorer. Because all the money is going to Bill Gates. Opera is pretty good.

Ill give you a hint, it starts with a c and ends in racks.


I have yet to see you properly defend your side of the arguement, you have yet to refute the statements presented that IE is not up to par with Firefox with any information pretaining.


I have chosen Firefox because it is more convenient for me right now, IE is bulky difficult and more vulnerable than most systems i have seen so far.

Ive had firefox before. It was nothing special. Just make sure to not to get Microsoft Internet Explorer. Because all the money is going to Bill Gates. Opera is pretty good.

People like you should need a license to post.

1. So what if[/f] William Gates gets the money. He's a businessman... He markets a product, and he serves his community and his family...
2. William Gates is neither presently a major holder in Microsoft, nor is he on the board... He merely serves a spokesman and works in a advisory capacity to the Corporation. He gets a salary like every other executive.
3. People like you make the Open-Source Community look like daft fools, who put tin-foil on their head to block those CIA satalites... And I'm glad, actually [i]knowing active members in the community, that you are merely one of those net-trolls who go around with your retarded conspiracy theories, and play no real part in the actual form and function of the community... Rather being a useless parasite of the community as a whole, making people outside of it question the members of it...

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

Item 1: I'm ADD and I like to multitask.
Item 2: I can barely afford to feed myself, and the only reason I have internet is because it's included in my rent.
Corollary to Item 2: Therefore I cannot afford to buy memory or software.
Item 3: I already own IE. It came with the comp. It takes about 17k RAM to run each window.
Item 4: Opera and most other browsers cost money.
Item 5: Firefox does not cost money, and opening 10 tabs in FF takes up the same amount of RAM as 2 windows of IE.

And that, my friends, is why I use Firefox instead of Opera or IE.

I don't like Firefox in general, but I have to use IE because of my work. Firefox has some significant problems when dealing with CMS's, or when trying to open the latest 'iNewspaper' software we are using here (which is basically just a really flash PDF viewer, but don't tell people who will pay £15 a month to use it that...). Not to mention how it acts when you go near any Java.

I'd like to point out, that IE is still a security risk even if you start using FireFox. In fact, the main reason it is such a security risk is because it is part of Windows -- it can't be removed. It will always be there, regardless of what other browser you are using. So it will always be unsafe. The only way to get away from the security risks of IE is to switch to a non-Windows browser, which most people aren't prepared to do just yet.
Besides, if you're a smart internet user, you should have plugged up some of the biggest holes in IE's security with third-party software, making it pretty safe for normal web-browsing. As you can never get rid of the basic threat that IE poses to your computer, safety suddenly becomes less important.

Tabbed browsing? Meh. IE tabs are just on the bottom instead of the top in the form of windows from what I can see. A little more convenient for me actually, as I tend to switch to completely different programs before switching back to a different IE window. In Firefox, I'd have to click twice to get to a different tab. In IE, I have to click only once. Performance issues aren't so important when you're running it on an FX-55 with over 2GB of RAM at its disposal.

In short -- use whatever the hell you want. FireFox is one of those 'geek religions' that get forced down your throat at every opportunity. If ever anything goes wrong on a website, people immediately say you should use FireFox. Even though it's the website that's at fault. It's almost like the new Linux. It's a web browser. If you take it as seriously as some people seem to do, you have my pity. FireFox still has a few issues to work out before I can use it, even more before I want to use it.

"Firefox is over hyped and not any better than IE."

"There were never any concentration camps!"

"We didnt land on the moon, it was staged!"

"WMD...Terrori...Oi...uhm...Human rights!"

You deserve a place in the hall of fame. Though I actually use netscape, anything is better than IE. I only wish I could delete it off of my computer, I get pop-ups without ever running the crap, and I use ad-aware.

Same thing happened to me a few months ago. Even after a total reinstall of everything .. dl'ing FireFox...disabled IE (as much as it can be) .. I was still getting IE pop up windows. I ended up having to format my hard drive. Was a pain the ass.. but it worked. Now I use Kerio Firewall (free version) , Firefox and search and destroy to check on things. It's been great.

First of all, let me say that just because you use Firefox doesnt mean you are all knowing about computers. I literally cannot count the times that ive been talking to someone in RL or OL when the subject turns to computers. Now normally I would jump at the chance to nerd out in front of someone but when it becomes obvious that they have no fucking clue what im rambling on about they quickly come up with something along the lines of, "but I use Firefox!. Big fucking deal, last year before it was over popularized by G4s (formerly TTVs [may their souls rest in peace]) Kevin Rose it was a good browser. Granted it was a bit plain but thats OK. It was at the time better then IE. Now besides the fact that Kevin Rose is an annoying and neo-rebellious Televison personality who has the ability to ruin once cool internet fads like King Midas turned trash to gold.

Now let me get to the meat of this argument. The minute Firefox started getting huge press was the day it was fated to become the next IE. And what really kills me is that people still tout it as the "underground" browser. Bull fucking shit. As it grows in popularity each week, the more holes in its security are being discovered. Not to mention coders for spyware companies have started writing spyware for Firefox! So do yourselves a favor, dont follow trends, dont listen to the TV, do your own research, and use what browser you think is right for you. What am I using? Opera.

While I understand the fad thing it does not detract from some of the good features that firefox has (relatively stable and better then opera at formatting some of the more eccentric pages) also has the open extension writing ability which has created many of the cool features I use today

Opera has its benefits … they were the first I can remember with the mouse movement navigation style (now available in firefox) along

I am not deriding it nor am I saying firefox is infallible (the more people that use it the bigger target it becomes)

Now if you want to really geek out I would be most happy to oblige :)

Same thing happened to me a few months ago. Even after a total reinstall of everything .. dl'ing FireFox...disabled IE (as much as it can be) .. I was still getting IE pop up windows. I ended up having to format my hard drive. Was a pain the ass.. but it worked. Now I use Kerio Firewall (free version) , Firefox and search and destroy to check on things. It's been great.
Spy ware with IE not totally disabled for the default browser I am guessing (the second part could go either way … if the mal-ware was calling the IE application directly)

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

Item 1: I'm ADD and I like to multitask.
Item 2: I can barely afford to feed myself, and the only reason I have internet is because it's included in my rent.
Corollary to Item 2: Therefore I cannot afford to buy memory or software.
Item 3: I already own IE. It came with the comp. It takes about 17k RAM to run each window.
Item 4: Opera and most other browsers cost money.
Item 5: Firefox does not cost money, and opening 10 tabs in FF takes up the same amount of RAM as 2 windows of IE.

And that, my friends, is why I use Firefox instead of Opera or IE.
Opera is free

Spy ware with IE not totally disabled for the default browser I am guessing (the second part could go either way … if the mal-ware was calling the IE application directly)


IE was disabled as default browser.. but I had viruses stuck to IE. Only the formatting fixed it. What the poster I replied to stated.. sounds very smiliar to the problem I had.

Firefox is over hyped and not any better than IE..

well...All i know is that Mirth told me to use Firefox...

I dont know if Firefox is overHyped...But I can asure you: Mirth is NOT overHyped







:D :D

Dear Greater Valia,
(Censored)
That is all.

IE was disabled as default browser.. but I had viruses stuck to IE. Only the formatting fixed it. What the poster I replied to stated.. sounds very smiliar to the problem I had.
We run across it all the time … would recommend a spyware scan on top of a hijackthis and maybe a scan with sysclean all in safe mode … we have not had a computer yet that still had issues like yours after that (spyware scans we use adaware and spybot s&d)

What am I using? Opera.
Me too! \m/

Tabs, Foxymusic, and ForecastFox, as well as themes. But aside from that, meh. Its free. More than I can say for Opera.
Funny, I'm using Opera for free. (Legally, yes.)

Some sites are IE only(Which really sucks)
I don't know about Firefox, but in Opera you can have the browser identify itself as IE, so I can get around obstacles like that.

I don't know what the hell tabs are, nor can I imagine having any need for whatever they are.
They're much easier than having to switch between windows. My browsing has become a lot faster and more keyboard-orientated since I started using Opera.

It lets you have multiple pages open in the same window. Instead of having IE open 10 times to view different pages.
Which is why IE is so unstable.

Me too! \m/


Funny, I'm using Opera for free. (Legally, yes.)


I don't know about Firefox, but in Opera you can have the browser identify itself as IE, so I can get around obstacles like that.


They're much easier than having to switch between windows. My browsing has become a lot faster and more keyboard-orientated since I started using Opera.


Which is why IE is so unstable.

Firefox as well (though I think he was talking contentual and formating issues)
I agree with the tabbed browsing I love both opera and firefox they both have their strong points

I have to say that I've always hated Firefox...most people who i know use it and think they're "cool" and "1337" etc.

I use IE and experience no problems whatsoever :D

On my pc I use Opera, although to be honest I've never given Firefox a proper chance, I just can't get used to it, that and it seems to be along with the "Evangelist Christian who demands you convert to their religion" we're getting "Evangelist Firefoxers" which has completely put me off of it.

On my macs however, Safari.

Now let me get to the meat of this argument. The minute Firefox started getting huge press was the day it was fated to become the next IE. And what really kills me is that people still tout it as the "underground" browser. Bull fucking shit. As it grows in popularity each week, the more holes in its security are being discovered. Not to mention coders for spyware companies have started writing spyware for Firefox! So do yourselves a favor, dont follow trends, dont listen to the TV, do your own research, and use what browser you think is right for you. What am I using? Opera.

Of course, the fact that it is open-source and people can point out and fix these holes means that they will be fixed much more quickly than the exact same holes which are also present in IE.

It also follows actual published standards, while IE and Netscape do not.

I heard about that cell processor shit. When I see it at E3 ill make a descion about it.

Cell processor? PS3?? GIMME DETAILS! :)

I dunno, whenever there was a major security thing with FireFox I noticed that they patched it a lot faster than MS would have with Internet Explorer.. just because the OS community is independants, doesn't mean they don't have a passion for specific products which in many cases causes them to be over-protective and fix their "baby" asap. I think. Who cares. Let's all get drunk, high, and have sex.

Cell processor? PS3?? GIMME DETAILS! :)
I believe that is Pentiums answer to the dual (multi) core processor …

Wasn’t the ps3 planning on using a cell processor? (that’s what the roomer mill says anyways)

I tried firefox once. I didn't see what was so special. I don't get popups on IE, because I have the google toolbar + mcafee. I like the google toolbar, too, because I can do quick searches fast. Im used to keeping my crap on the taskbar and never have too many (four at most), so there's no need to change where the sites are stored from the bottom (taskbar) to the top (tabbing bar) when Im all used to it and shit. Plus, there's some IE-only sites and crap that'll get messed up and stuff on Firefox.

I tried firefox once. I didn't see what was so special. I don't get popups on IE, because I have the google toolbar + mcafee. I like the google toolbar, too, because I can do quick searches fast. Im used to keeping my crap on the taskbar and never have too many (four at most), so there's no need to change where the sites are stored from the bottom (taskbar) to the top (tabbing bar) when Im all used to it and shit. Plus, there's some IE-only sites and crap that'll get messed up and stuff on Firefox.
If there is I have not run acrossed them (IE only) firefox supports all the content
I have never had any issues whatsoever (well there was a hickup on my slackware box but I think that was the xfce profile being a bit of a pain not firefox (was not loading flash plugin))

If there is I have not run acrossed them (IE only) firefox supports all the content
I have never had any issues whatsoever (well there was a hickup on my slackware box but I think that was the xfce profile being a bit of a pain not firefox (was not loading flash plugin))

There are sites that only work on IE. This is because IE is slutty and doesn't follow published standards. The sites then program to work with IE, instead of by the published standards.

Most are fixing that now that non-IE browsers are becoming more popular.

I don't understand why people need their browser to DO shit. Internet Explorer does everything I want it to: open web sites (mostly this one). I don't get the need for 95 million crazy, extraneous featues.I started with Firefox a while ago and simply liked it better. I think it still has less features than IE, and certainly did then. The big thing for me was that it eliminated the need to run 3rd party anti-popup software. Apparently IE blocks unwanted pop-ups now too, but I don't care. I like Firefox. Plus, tabs and quicksearches rule.

I have to say that I've always hated Firefox...most people who i know use it and think they're "cool" and "1337" etc.

I use IE and experience no problems whatsoever :D
Go here (http://www.xoftspy.com/). Download the programme and see how much spyware there is on your computer.

You know what I hate about Opera is that it's too old. I used to love it but now not so much as i did because it isn't compatible with alot of hte sites I go on. Opera has some neat features and it lacks the publicity of firefox. If they made a completely new version which was completely compatible etc etc then i'd use it instead.

May I direct your attention here (http://vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=142) .

I've used IE, Firefox, Konqueror, Opera 8 and MY IE2 (whatever that's called now), and I like Firefox better. It works for me.

P.S. Tell me how you're supporting the company by refusing to pay them for the work they did. :headbang:

In Firefox you can do alot more. Some people dont know it but you can get into the source code for FF and change settings.. in your URL bar type in About:config and you can change your Useragent. Infact if you were to check what browser I am on it will show up as IE 5.1 when its firefox 2.0.3 But that still doesnt fix the formating of sites that are windows...

Meh. IE doesn't work for me anymore, and Opera goes rather slow. I like my Firefox for the moment.

EDIT:
Opera has some neat features and it lacks the publicity of firefox. If they made a completely new version which was completely compatible etc etc then i'd use it instead.
If they made a version that ran a bit faster on my computer, I would use it. It does have some neat features and such.

There are sites that only work on IE. This is because IE is slutty and doesn't follow published standards. The sites then program to work with IE, instead of by the published standards.

Most are fixing that now that non-IE browsers are becoming more popular.

This is true. And I don't think any browsers have yet to adopt CSS2!!

to be honest, the biggest up-shot of Firefox is that it uses the Gecko HTML parser, and actually outputs elements to the screen as they should look.
that's why I use it.
IE conforms to it's own standards... although, IE7 is going to conform to W3C standards... but it's usage of ActiveX controls are what will always keep me away.

Firefox works for me, especially since I put that Adblock in.

Now I can look at ANY page and not only do I not get popups, I don't get banners, etc.

Nice.

This topic again? I swear to god, I have never had a problem just running plain IE. What manner of crap are all you people putting on your computers.

I think I'm going to see how many windows of IE it takes to noticably slow down my computer performance.

This topic again? I swear to god, I have never had a problem just running plain IE. What manner of crap are all you people putting on your computers.

I think I'm going to see how many windows of IE it takes to noticably slow down my computer performance.

I don't have to put anything on my computer if I'm using IE. I only have to go to the wrong website, and an unknown number of applications WILL be installed without my knowledge.

When I stopped using IE, I counted over 120 processes in the Task Manager that were traced to spyware. Even if I did nothing, there was a constant flurry of popup windows going on - and it did slow the machine down.

Using antispyware applications works - I like using McAfee Antispyware and Spybot in combination - and I surf using Firefox. I haven't had any hits from spyware using Firefox.

I only have to surf a few minutes with IE to get hit. And then I have to run the antispyware immediately to clean up, or more gets installed every minute.

I don't have to put anything on my computer if I'm using IE. I only have to go to the wrong website, and an unknown number of applications WILL be installed without my knowledge.

When I stopped using IE, I counted over 120 processes in the Task Manager that were traced to spyware. Even if I did nothing, there was a constant flurry of popup windows going on - and it did slow the machine down.

Using antispyware applications works - I like using McAfee Antispyware and Spybot in combination - and I surf using Firefox. I haven't had any hits from spyware using Firefox.

I only have to surf a few minutes with IE to get hit. And then I have to run the antispyware immediately to clean up, or more gets installed every minute.

I have McAfee Spamkiller or whatever it's called running in the background and I use Ad-aware once a week or so to clean up my system. Let's see what I find:

8 objects removed.

That's probably the past 10 or 12 days.

On a related note, I've got 42 IE windows open currently.

Your mileage may vary. I've just been burned by IE too many times.

Well done Greater Valia! Someone speaking up for IE at last!

104. Now I'm starting to feel the lag.

AS a network administrator with close to ten years experience I will simply say this. ANY non IE based browser will have signifigantly less instance of pop-ups and will be less vulnerable to spyware.

Why? you may be asking.........

1.) IE is the worlds most popular browser, when people write malicious spyware, they want it distributed as widely as possible.

2.) IE has security 'holes' that have been left in IE and windows purposefully,MS makes a nice profit from selling 'marketing tools' that use cookies to track your browsing for market research. These 'holes' can be maliciously exploited. How do you think Amazon.com makes suggestions for you, or creates your personalized store? That's right, cookies. How does your fav website save your address and setings? more cookies. Users love cookies when they are useful, and hate them when they ae malicious.

If your IE is crashing and locking up, try setting the security a bit higher, that will stop spyware and malicious cookies just as well as Firefox or Opera.

I personally use Firefox, but then I have always used Mozilla or Netscape and I'm just used to the feel of their browsers.

The main thing to remember is that your computer is exactly as secure as the people using it.

You know what I hate about Opera is that it's too old. I used to love it but now not so much as i did because it isn't compatible with alot of hte sites I go on. Opera has some neat features and it lacks the publicity of firefox. If they made a completely new version which was completely compatible etc etc then i'd use it instead.

Hasn't the new version of opera just been released?

104. Now I'm starting to feel the lag.
You need to go to a site that puts TV Media and other crap on your machine.

Then you'll feel it. Especially when you can't see the browser window you want because the popups are coming so fast that your screen looks like a strobe light.

Firefox is cool.... Tabs rock. IE has popups and all sorts of crap happening. Use what you want though, s'your funeral....

Personally, IE has recieved one huge spanking from firefox, with the ways it has so many pulgins, tabs and the download manager ALL FOR FREE.

Any way I think I know why IE has so many holes.....It's made by Microsoft, ever used your friends Apple and just wondered why it works so fast and doesn't have any viruses or security flaws, well that boys and girls is becasue it was not a Bill Gates idea, let's face MS are not good people :headbang:

You need to go to a site that puts TV Media and other crap on your machine.

Then you'll feel it. Especially when you can't see the browser window you want because the popups are coming so fast that your screen looks like a strobe light.

Maybe that's why I don't have problems. I don't go to crap websites. The only websites I consistently visit are this one, ESPN.com, Google, and Yahoo.

Maybe that's why I don't have problems. I don't go to crap websites. The only websites I consistently visit are this one, ESPN.com, Google, and Yahoo.
I Google a lot.

A lot of search results WILL take you to bad places.

You only have to get to some pages *once* and you're toast.

I Google a lot.

A lot of search results WILL take you to bad places.

You only have to get to some pages *once* and you're toast.

Eh. I've never had problems. My mother and sister completely ruined their computers to the point where my father had to reformat their systems within 3 months.

firefox will always be more secure than IE, because it is Open Source.

That means that fixing it is quicker and easier. We don't need to rely on Microsoft, with their questionable priorities.

Personally, IE has recieved one huge spanking from firefox, with the ways it has so many pulgins, tabs and the download manager ALL FOR FREE.

Any way I think I know why IE has so many holes.....It's made by Microsoft, ever used your friends Apple and just wondered why it works so fast and doesn't have any viruses or security flaws, well that boys and girls is becasue it was not a Bill Gates idea, let's face MS are not good people :headbang:


I was just doing my general flick through of the forum bar on NS when this caught my eye, and more specifically this post. If you've ever wondered why Macs are so fast/reliable/other buzzword here its not because of the l33tness of their coders, its the same reason my Xbox is so fast/reliable/other buzzword here, that is because it only uses so called "pure" techonology, otherwise known as what the developers like. Give Mac Os's coders the challenge of making an OS to run on ANY hardware, and it will be infinitely shitter than Windows several times over.

I was just doing my general flick through of the forum bar on NS when this caught my eye, and more specifically this post. If you've ever wondered why Macs are so fast/reliable/other buzzword here its not because of the l33tness of their coders, its the same reason my Xbox is so fast/reliable/other buzzword here, that is because it only uses so called "pure" techonology, otherwise known as what the developers like. Give Mac Os's coders the challenge of making an OS to run on ANY hardware, and it will be infinitely shitter than Windows several times over.

Plus they made such a shit OS they had to ditch it and use unix.

Apple are just as scummy as MS, if not more so, they just market a more chilled image.

I used to be a Mac user. Now I'm not. I'll use Windows or Solaris.

http://www.thehoucks.com/happynowhere/Apple_Switch_Parody_DivX.avi

I used to be a Mac user. Now I'm not. I'll use Windows or Solaris.

http://www.thehoucks.com/happynowhere/Apple_Switch_Parody_DivX.avi

have you tried linux? It has got much better this past year. I'd rather use it to windows any day.

have you tried linux? It has got much better this past year. I'd rather use it to windows any day.

I use Solaris at work, and Windows at home.

I'd use Linux, but I'm tired when I get home.

I was just doing my general flick through of the forum bar on NS when this caught my eye, and more specifically this post. If you've ever wondered why Macs are so fast/reliable/other buzzword here its not because of the l33tness of their coders, its the same reason my Xbox is so fast/reliable/other buzzword here, that is because it only uses so called "pure" techonology, otherwise known as what the developers like. Give Mac Os's coders the challenge of making an OS to run on ANY hardware, and it will be infinitely shitter than Windows several times over.


Well that may well be, but lets face it, try using an iBook and a PC looks like the biggest n00b of all time, so hardware compatibility really doesn't seem like an issue if your computer runs prefectly.

Well that may well be, but lets face it, try using an iBook and a PC looks like the biggest n00b of all time, so hardware compatibility really doesn't seem like an issue if your computer runs prefectly.

But you should be aware you are buying into a near monopoly.

But you should be aware you are buying into a near monopoly.

such is the price for brilliance, and you think that Microsoft software isn't?

such is the price for brilliance, and you think that Microsoft software isn't?

You at least have a choice of hardware to use.

I, however, use non-proprietry software on x86 hardware. Best of both worlds.

You at least have a choice of hardware to use.

I, however, use non-proprietry software on x86 hardware. Best of both worlds.

fair enough. . . .i still think MS has serious questions to answer

fair enough. . . .i still think MS has serious questions to answer

with the US patent system unchanged the only solution to monopolies like Apple and MS is Open Source so far as I'm concerned

I liked firefox before it added the new security updates. Before the updates, I never got a popup and it never felt the need to inform me that it had blocked a popup. Now I get popups fairly frequently.