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Gosh, I just realized most of the people posting here don't even remember this. Thirty five years ago, four students at Kent State University were shot by Ohio National Guard troops. Nine other students were wounded after the troops opened fire during a protest against the war in Vietnam.

Pause for a moment and say a prayer for them.

Pray? Hah. Pray for people I didn't know who died in some obscure event in some far away land? :rolleyes:

Pray? Hah. Pray for people I didn't know who died in some obscure event in some far away land? :rolleyes:

Don't be an ass.

I don't pray either. But show some respect.

I routinely mourn events that occur throughout the world -- and have occurred in the past throughout the world.

So much for Ugly Americans, say hello to Ugly Swedes. :rolleyes:

Don't be an ass.

I don't pray either. But show some respect.

For what? The death of some strangers decades ago? Please.

I routinely mourn events that occur throughout the world -- and have occurred in the past throughout the world.

You're such a better person.

So much for Ugly Americans, say hello to Ugly Swedes. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry that I don't really care about some Americans who died decades ago. Get over it.

For what? The death of some strangers decades ago? Please.



You're such a better person.



I'm sorry that I don't really care about some Americans who died decades ago. Get over it.carefull canukhe... fass... this can be seen as trolling.


it was a sad event. Even tho I don't know those people, I do morn their loss.

*lights Candle.*

carefull canukhe... fass... this can be seen as trolling.


it was a sad event. Even tho I don't know those people, I do morn their loss.

*lights Candle.*

Trolling? I don't think he was nearly harsh enough in his reply to be considered a troll.

I feel worse for the National Guard troops who were put in the position of shooting those idiot college brats. Sorry if that offends, but it was the college brats who ran screaming across a grassy hill toward armed, inexperienced and scared guardsmen. Just what the hell did those college kids would imagine would happen when they did that? I will not mourn them, I will be indifferent to them.

Now, I wasn't sympathetic, am I a troll?

Trolling? I don't think he was nearly harsh enough in his reply to be considered a troll.

I feel worse for the National Guard troops who were put in the position of shooting those idiot college brats. Sorry if that offends, but it was the college brats who ran screaming across a grassy hill toward armed, inexperienced and scared guardsmen. Just what the hell did those college kids would imagine would happen when they did that? I will not mourn them, I will be indifferent to them.

Now, I wasn't sympathetic, am I a troll?
I give you a 4.6 on a scale of 10.0

Trolling? I don't think he was nearly harsh enough in his reply to be considered a troll.

I feel worse for the National Guard troops who were put in the position of shooting those idiot college brats. Sorry if that offends, but it was the college brats who ran screaming across a grassy hill toward armed, inexperienced and scared guardsmen. Just what the hell did those college kids would imagine would happen when they did that? I will not mourn them, I will be indifferent to them.

Now, I wasn't sympathetic, am I a troll?Nope, for you were at least trying to be polite. and yeah... no one really considers how the guard felt after shooting those people... it was a tragedy all around.

Trolling? I don't think he was nearly harsh enough in his reply to be considered a troll.

I feel worse for the National Guard troops who were put in the position of shooting those idiot college brats. Sorry if that offends, but it was the college brats who ran screaming across a grassy hill toward armed, inexperienced and scared guardsmen. Just what the hell did those college kids would imagine would happen when they did that? I will not mourn them, I will be indifferent to them.

Now, I wasn't sympathetic, am I a troll?
Troll, no. But maybe the real lesson ought to be not to assume things that aren't supported by facts. None of the 13 dead and wounded at Kent were involved with any protest and to my recollection, there were no mad rushes at the Guard. Some kids with rifles panicked.

Of course we could just reflect that it is good to have protests nowadays without college kids getting killed, and without the National Guard on campus.

Trolling? I don't think he was nearly harsh enough in his reply to be considered a troll.

I feel worse for the National Guard troops who were put in the position of shooting those idiot college brats. Sorry if that offends, but it was the college brats who ran screaming across a grassy hill toward armed, inexperienced and scared guardsmen. Just what the hell did those college kids would imagine would happen when they did that? I will not mourn them, I will be indifferent to them.

Now, I wasn't sympathetic, am I a troll?

Well, you are either poorly informed or deliberately misportraying events. Either way, your account is callous and simply untrue.

For example, the National Guard advanced down a hill toward the students with bayonets. They then withdrew back up the hill. When they reached the top, several Guardsmen turned and fired.

And I feel bad for many members of the National Guard as well. They were put in the wrong place with insufficient training. The powers that sent them to quash a political protest were out of line.

Of course, bayonetting a disabled veteran wasn't too nice.

Well, you are either poorly informed or deliberately misportraying events. Either way, your account is callous and simply untrue.

For example, the National Guard advanced down a hill toward the students with bayonets. They then withdrew back up the hill. When they reached the top, several Guardsmen turned and fired.

And I feel bad for many members of the National Guard as well. They were put in the wrong place with insufficient training. The powers that sent them to quash a political protest were out of line.

Of course, bayonetting a disabled veteran wasn't too nice.

The problem with using soldiers as policemen.

And confronting rioters with the wrong sort of weapons.

Well, you are either poorly informed or deliberately misportraying events. Either way, your account is callous and simply untrue.

For example, the National Guard advanced down a hill toward the students with bayonets. They then withdrew back up the hill. When they reached the top, several Guardsmen turned and fired.

And I feel bad for many members of the National Guard as well. They were put in the wrong place with insufficient training. The powers that sent them to quash a political protest were out of line.

Of course, bayonetting a disabled veteran wasn't too nice.

The documentary I watched about it, many many years ago on PBS, gave the account exactly as you portrayed it but said that when the guardmen withdrew up the hill the students rushed forward toward them up the hill as the guardsmen turned and that was why the guardmen fired.
I was not attempting to make up facts at all, I was just going with the information I had.
I would guess none of us posting was there so we can only use the sources we have read or seen and since we will pick and choose what to believe based on our own biases going into it then in the end we cannot really trust any of our interpretations of events.
I guess I did sound callous, that was rude of me and I apologize. I don't like seeing anyone killed.

Troll, no. But maybe the real lesson ought to be not to assume things that aren't supported by facts. None of the 13 dead and wounded at Kent were involved with any protest and to my recollection, there were no mad rushes at the Guard.

Ya. That's the problem with liberal protesters. When will we learn? (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2483)

Let us mourn the revolutionaries that died for a future better world.

Let us mourn the revolutionaries that died for a future better world.

It's just as screwed up 35 years later.

Gosh, I just realized most of the people posting here don't even remember this. Thirty five years ago, four students at Kent State University were shot by Ohio National Guard troops. Nine other students were wounded after the troops opened fire during a protest against the war in Vietnam.

Pause for a moment and say a prayer for them.
Why would I pray for them? I'd rather complain about the system that made this atrocity possible. And the US always prides itself with being the land of the free? Ha. What a joke!

Yes, it's sad they were killed, but contrary to what the left says, they were not peaceable demonstrators. They were extremely violent rioters who caused thousands of dollars' worth of damage, seriously injured policemen, and caused mass chaos.

Yes, it's sad they were killed, but contrary to what the left says, they were not peaceable demonstrators. They were extremely violent rioters who caused thousands of dollars' worth of damage, seriously injured policemen, and caused mass chaos.
Can you back that up with facts? Newspaper reports? Photos?

Ein Deutscher']Can you back that up with facts? Newspaper reports? Photos?

I sure can. Wait here.

*sigh* The only year I have NOT heard about the Kent state shootings was when I lived in Oklahoma and that massive F5 tornado went through the greater OKC area (on May 3).

I grew up in Kent. I know the story.

The guards were called to the city because martial law was called. These guards men had JUST come back from either Nam or intensive training (I don't remember which). They had been there for a few days, but on this particular day, the students began taunting the guards. They were throwing rocks at them. They didn't want them there. The guards didn't want to shoot anyone so the initial shots were SHOT UP INTO THE AIR! No students in that crowd were killed. Instead, the bullets from the gun had to go somewhere. There were 4 students walking by a dormitory (I actually lived in that dorm) who were struck by those stray bullets. These four students died in the parking lot of the dorm. They had nothing to do with the protests. THAT's why it was so tragic. (Now, forgive me if I don't have the facts exact, but that's the basics of what happened)

As a side note... there is a steel "modern art" statue right in front of the journalism building (which is next to the dorm) that actually has a bullet hole through it. There is also a huge memorial that was built at the 25th anniversary...there are also daffodils(sp?) that cover the hill that this all occured (in memory of what happened).

Yes, it's sad they were killed, but contrary to what the left says, they were not peaceable demonstrators. They were extremely violent rioters who caused thousands of dollars' worth of damage, seriously injured policemen, and caused mass chaos.

Yes, the protesters were ALMOST like this (althought the day before, they were all laughing and handing flowers to the guards men. It was very peaceful. My parents were actually there at that time.

BUT the 4 who were killed were NOT protesters. They were just innocent students.

Ya. That's the problem with liberal protesters. When will we learn? (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2483)


that is one of the best websites i have ever seen!!!

My parents met at Kent state. They went there after the shootings though.

They wouldn't have been participating in any protests though, their ideals died before then it seems.

I remember seeing pictures from this event. They had a girl crying because her friend was killed accidentally by the National Guardsmen. Think of it this way. What if it was your best friend or lover that was one of the 4 killed?

carefull canukhe... fass... this can be seen as trolling.


it was a sad event. Even tho I don't know those people, I do morn their loss.

*lights Candle.*
Are you trying to suggest that I am Fass? Because if you are, you are way out in space. Bolding mine.

I remember the Kent State shootings and it was a sad day for America and for "freedom of speech".

A little prayer is in order.

It's funny that some people seem to think this is a USA-only problem.

The highest profile parallel I can think of was in '89 in Tiananmen Square, but there've been others. It's good to remember history (and hopefully learn from it!). Even if you're from Sweden.

;-)

Ein Deutscher']Why would I pray for them? I'd rather complain about the system that made this atrocity possible. And the US always prides itself with being the land of the free? Ha. What a joke!

Yes, if I recall, you're from the country that kills protesters with water cannon.