NationStates Jolt Archive

Here in Israel, today is the day of remembrance for all those that fell in the camps and ghettos.
The main ceremony is at Yad Vashem (www.yadvashem.org), althought other ceremonies are going on around the country. I'm currently watching the one from Yad Vashem (http://www1.yadvashem.org/remembrance/rememberance_day/rememberance_day2005/general.html) though on TV, the only program that will be shown for the next twenty four hours. Nothing on the radio or TV for the next day.
Take this chance to remember all those fallen during the war. And most importantly, never forget.

Not to be cynical... But, instead of merely remembering a holocaust (such as the Jewish one), shouldn't the world try and prevent the genocide happening in Sudan to prevent another Holocaust?

And a "day" for it? can' it be remembered on any other day?

(don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to it; I just like being difficult and questioning days designated for certain events that are in someway still happening).

Can people not both try and prevent the genocide in Sudan, and remember the Holocaust?
It can be remembered on any day, but on this day its a day specifically for remembering, where all media services are cut off, there's no listening to music or watching tv or anything. The second link tells you everything that closes down.
Yes its remembered on all days, but on this day specially it is remembered.
England has a rememberance day as well, 11/11 if I'm not mistaken.

Indeed, Never Forget .. oy, always gets me upset talking about these things.

And Yes, Why can we not remember and try and prevent other genocides, it's not like you can't do one with the other.

Won't Bush be a warmongerer if he invades Sudan though?

In any case....WE SHALL NEVER FORGET!

Unless we have alzheimers. :p

Here in Israel, today is the day of remembrance for all those that fell in the camps and ghettos.
The main ceremony is at Yad Vashem (www.yadvashem.org), althought other ceremonies are going on around the country. I'm currently watching the one from Yad Vashem (http://www1.yadvashem.org/remembrance/rememberance_day/rememberance_day2005/general.html) though on TV, the only program that will be shown for the next twenty four hours. Nothing on the radio or TV for the next day.
Take this chance to remember all those fallen during the war. And most importantly, never forget.
*Applauds*

P.S. Btw, nice to see a fellow Israeli around here. I thought I was all alone...

*Applauds*

P.S. Btw, nice to see a fellow Israeli around here. I thought I was all alone...

Awesome, where abouts are you from?

*Has family in Tel-Aviv*

Awesome, where abouts are you from?

*Has family in Tel-Aviv*
*but lives in London;)* :p

I live near Haifa, no good memorial services in the area, so I'm watching the broadcast from Yad Vashem.

Awesome, where abouts are you from?

*Has family in Tel-Aviv*
I'm from Ramat Gan. In fact, I live right on the border between Ramat Gan and Tel-Aviv, near this (http://www.nikolsky.name/3/azr3_8_sm.jpg) tower. :)

Won't Bush be a warmongerer if he invades Sudan though?

In any case....WE SHALL NEVER FORGET!

Unless we have alzheimers. :p
No...he is if he invades Iran or South Korea....

if he goes into Sudan, he might be seen as productive (so.perish the thought).

*but lives in London;)* :p

I live near Haifa, no good memorial services in the area, so I'm watching the broadcast from Yad Vashem.


You'd think there'd be memorial services all over the place.

Are you going to head over to Yad Vashem soon?

I'm from Ramat Gan. In fact, I live right on the border between Ramat Gan and Tel-Aviv, near this (http://www.nikolsky.name/3/azr3_8_sm.jpg) tower. :)
זה ליד מגדלי אזריאלי, בצד של האיילון. אני עובר שם כל שבוע פחות או יותר. אבל עכשיו נחזור לנושע
;)

*but lives in London;)* :p

I live near Haifa, no good memorial services in the area, so I'm watching the broadcast from Yad Vashem.
To be honest, it's been a while since I've seen a really good Holocaust memorial service at all. Most of them are too "official" and standardized, and do more to bore people to death than to emotionally impact them.

You'd think there'd be memorial services all over the place.

Are you going to head over to Yad Vashem soon?
There are, just none around here that I can go to, as my parents watch this one. I'm way too lazy to go to the "merkaz" or centre.

No...he is if he invades Iran or South Korea....

if he goes into Sudan, he might be seen as productive (so.perish the thought).


Yes i can see where they might get it if he invades South Korea... (i think you mean North. ;))

But i'm sorry....Hussein was also committing Genocide....so either Iraq is a justified war, or you are a hypocrite.

Because you cannot pick countries, which have the same circumstance, and claim one is more justified then the other.

I've been looking through poems to post and i have to say it's put me into uber-depressed mode, but anyway this is the one that got to me the most, I thought I'd share my misery (cause I'm just nice like that)

Never Shall I Forget

Never shall I forget that night,
the first night in the camp
which has turned my life into one long night,
seven times cursed and seven times sealed.

Never shall I forget that smoke.
Never shall I forget the little faces of the children
whose bodies I saw turned into wreaths of smoke
beneath a silent blue sky.

Never shall I forget those flames
which consumed my faith for ever.
Never shall I forget that nocturnal silence
which deprived me for all eternity of the desire to live.

Never shall I forget those moments
which murdered my God and my soul
and turned my dreams into dust.

Never shall I forget these things,
even if I am condemned to live
as long as God Himself.

Never.

Elie Wiesel

זה ליד מגדלי אזריאלי, בצד של האיילון. אני עובר שם כל שבוע פחות או יותר. אבל עכשיו נחזור לנושע
;)
לא, זה לא ליד אזריאלי,זה ליד הבורסה, אבל לא נורא :)

Sorry for going off topic. X_X

Anyways, today is my brother b-day.

It's hard to celebrate, on such a day. >_<

To the nay sayers and booers (a pre-emptive strike):

Meh ... people commemorate things that have happened to them. You could just as easily argue against Memorial Day ... instead of remembering, why not just seek to prevent war? Couldn't Christmas be "every day"? Of course it can, but it isn't.

Yom Hashoah is a day for Jewish people to lament the great atrocity committed against them in Europe and to celebrate our ultimate survival. It's not exclusionary and it doesn't mean we think only Jews were slaughtered, it's just a commemoration of our part of it. If only 6 Jews were killed, it would have been too many.

It's not our only commemoration of tragic events.

Tzom Gedaliah (3 Tishri) commemorates the assassination of Gedaliah Ben Achikam, the Governor of Israel during the days of Nebuchadnetzar.

Asarah B'Tevet (10 Tevet) commemorates the siege of Jerusalem, which began a whole chain of calamities which finally ended with the destruction of the Beit Hamikdash. (see Second Melachim 25)

The Fast of Shiva Asar B'Tammuz (17 Tammuz) is a day that a lot of horrible things happened: Moses descended Mount Sinai on this day and, upon seeing the Golden Calf broke the first set of Tablets carrying the Ten Commandments (Shemot 32:19, Mishna Taanit 28b); The priests in the First Temple stopped offering the daily sacrifice on this day (Taanit 28b) due to the shortage of sheep during the siege and the next year 3184 (586 BCE), the walls of Jerusalem were breached after many months of siege by Nebuchadnezzar and his Babylonian forces; In Melachim II 21:7 we find that King Menashe, one of the worst of the Jewish kings, had an idol placed in the Holy Sanctuary of the Temple, according to tradition on this date; In 1391, more than 4,000 Jews were killed in Toledo and Jaen, Spain and in 4319 (1559) the Jewish Quarter of Prague was burned and looted.; The Kovno ghetto was liquidated on this day in 5704 (1944) and in 5730 (1970) Libya ordered the confiscation of Jewish property. Incidently, this also happens to be the day I was born.

Tisha B'Av (9 Av) is the saddest day on the Jewish calendar because of the incredible series of tragedies which occurred on that date throughout Jewish history including the destruction of both temples, the first in 3338, the second in 3828 - both on 9 Av.

Part of being Jewish means you commemorate the bad and ugly as well as the good and happy.