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This is a story off cnn today. I know this isnt the exact problem that teri had. But this illustrates why we probably shouldnt have allowed her so called husband to put her to rest. Interesting to say the least. Read on....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/05/03/firefighter.speaks.ap/index.html

Anyone that wants to flame for another Teri thread. Will say this in advance. Dont care what you think.

"So called" is bull. He was her husband.

Oh, and we don't care what you think either.

So what percentage of his cortex was fluid?

Most of Terri's brain was gone. There was no hope of recovery. Not all brain injuries are identical.

"So called" is bull. He was her husband.

Oh, and we don't care what you think either.


Fass wouldnt expect anything less from you.

Fass wouldnt expect anything less from you.

I can thank my lucky stars for that.

I really wish people would stop raping her corpse in order to fulfill their own political agendas

Yes, because every case of brain damage is the same.

I really wish people would stop raping her corpse in order to fulfill their own political agendas

Agreed.

I really wish people would stop raping her corpse in order to fulfill their own political agendas

Agreed!

I can thank my lucky stars for that.


Don't you think it's unusual that your eliminations would smell like patchouli?

I really wish people would stop raping her corpse in order to fulfill their own political agendas


There is no corpse, she was melted down.

This is a story off cnn today. I know this isnt the exact problem that teri had. But this illustrates why we probably shouldnt have allowed her so called husband to put her to rest. Interesting to say the least. Read on....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/05/03/firefighter.speaks.ap/index.html

Anyone that wants to flame for another Teri thread. Will say this in advance. Dont care what you think.

I won't flame you.

I won't berate you for another thread about Ms. Schiavo.

I will ask when you and Ms. Schiavo became close enough to refer to each other on a first name basis. Show a little respect.

I will berate you for comparing apples and handgranades and not knowing your facts.

If you are going to poke a nerve, do your homework.

Ms. Schiavo was in a peristent vegetative state.

Almost her entire brain was gone. The empty cavity was filled with spinal fluid.

Her husband was not so-called. And if you start smearing Mr. Schiavo with some of the lies that have been spread before I will go medieval on your ass. There are already a few despicable creatures on these forums that owe him an apology. Don't join them.

Ms. Schiavo was not "put to rest" by her husband. She was allowed to die because SHE would not have wanted to be forcibly kept alive. Mr. Schiavo's wishes had f**k-all to do with it. The courts determined repeatedly what Ms. Schiavo's wishes would have been -- based on the testimony of multiple witnesses.

I am very happy for Donald Hebert.

But his case is not comparable. He was not in a persistent vegetative state. He was not missing most of his brain.

There is almost nothing about the two situations that are comparable.

Case closed.

I know this isnt the exact problem that teri had.



Exactly.

Regardless of how silly the topic starter is, you can't admit it's not an amazing story. That guy has a lot of catching up to do.
I will berate you for comparing apples and handgranades and not knowing your facts.
LOL

I won't flame you.

I won't berate you for another thread about Ms. Schiavo.

I will ask when you and Ms. Schiavo became close enough to refer to each other on a first name basis. Show a little respect.

I will berate you for comparing apples and handgranades and not knowing your facts.

If you are going to poke a nerve, do your homework.

Ms. Schiavo was in a peristent vegetative state.

Almost her entire brain was gone. The empty cavity was filled with spinal fluid.

Her husband was not so-called. And if you start smearing Mr. Schiavo with some of the lies that have been spread before I will go medieval on your ass. There are already a few despicable creatures on these forums that owe him an apology. Don't join them.

Ms. Schiavo was not "put to rest" by her husband. She was allowed to die because SHE would not have wanted to be forcibly kept alive. Mr. Schiavo's wishes had f**k-all to do with it. The courts determined repeatedly what Ms. Schiavo's wishes would have been -- based on the testimony of multiple witnesses.

I am very happy for Donald Hebert.

But his case is not comparable. He was not in a persistent vegetative state. He was not missing most of his brain.

There is almost nothing about the two situations that are comparable.

Case closed.

*Wild cheering*

And a hearty INDEED to that!

Anyone that wants to flame for another Teri thread. Will say this in advance. Dont care what you think.
Fine. But I'll go ahead anyway. It's over. It was controversial. Get the f*ck over it.

ok.. with the terri schiavo case:

since there was no proof of whether she was in pain or not...
i think it was up to her parents to decide whether to keep her alive or not. Her husband lost his say over her life when he started going out with another woman while he was still married to Terri. He obviously lost all hope in her, and wanted to get any more money possible from insurance (he already had about 5 million from a malpractice suit, 2.5 of which were used for terri's medical bills).

Though terri was a vegetable (the doctors fault 15 years ago), it was not up to her husband to decide... it should have been up to her parents, and it wouldnt have been a big problem. The big part of why this case was so publicized was because the parents wanted her alive, and her husband wanted her alive... i think that euthanasia... and pulling the plug is ok, as long as everyone agrees its the best thing to do... The Terri Schiavo case however, i disagreed with the husbands motives, and his choice.

I won't flame you.

I won't berate you for another thread about Ms. Schiavo.

I will ask when you and Ms. Schiavo became close enough to refer to each other on a first name basis. Show a little respect.

I will berate you for comparing apples and handgranades and not knowing your facts.

If you are going to poke a nerve, do your homework.

Ms. Schiavo was in a peristent vegetative state.

Almost her entire brain was gone. The empty cavity was filled with spinal fluid.

Her husband was not so-called. And if you start smearing Mr. Schiavo with some of the lies that have been spread before I will go medieval on your ass. There are already a few despicable creatures on these forums that owe him an apology. Don't join them.

Ms. Schiavo was not "put to rest" by her husband. She was allowed to die because SHE would not have wanted to be forcibly kept alive. Mr. Schiavo's wishes had f**k-all to do with it. The courts determined repeatedly what Ms. Schiavo's wishes would have been -- based on the testimony of multiple witnesses.

I am very happy for Donald Hebert.

But his case is not comparable. He was not in a persistent vegetative state. He was not missing most of his brain.

There is almost nothing about the two situations that are comparable.

Case closed.
Cat beat me to it, yet again. :p
The guy in the article was certainly NOT vegetative, he was only left mute. I know where that lesion is, and it's definitely not whole brain... You could have used any stroke patient for this argument, and it would have been no more apt.

ok.. with the terri schiavo case:

since there was no proof of whether she was in pain or not...
i think it was up to her parents to decide whether to keep her alive or not. Her husband lost his say over her life when he started going out with another woman while he was still married to Terri. He obviously lost all hope in her, and wanted to get any more money possible from insurance (he already had about 5 million from a malpractice suit, 2.5 of which were used for terri's medical bills).

Though terri was a vegetable (the doctors fault 15 years ago), it was not up to her husband to decide... it should have been up to her parents, and it wouldnt have been a big problem. The big part of why this case was so publicized was because the parents wanted her alive, and her husband wanted her alive... i think that euthanasia... and pulling the plug is ok, as long as everyone agrees its the best thing to do... The Terri Schiavo case however, i disagreed with the husbands motives, and his choice.


i would much rather have my partner(actually spouse despite the gay nazi personna) determine my fate in such and situation and she would rather have me do the same, and i want them to pull the plug if their isn't a reasonable expectation of recovery. if for some reason my natural death was held up for years i would not begrudge my spouse a new partner infact i would want her to move on in that part of her life if it was obvious i couldn't be a part of it, regardless of whether i was being unnaturally sustained and therefore still technically alive.

They say "Rest In Peace" for a reason. Please, for the dignity and respect of all involved in Mrs. Schiavo's death, allow her to do so.

Regardless of how silly the topic starter is, you can't admit it's not an amazing story. That guy has a lot of catching up to do.

I can only imagine.

"What? The 49ers had the first pick in the draft?"

I really wish people would stop raping her corpse in order to fulfill their own political agendas

yup
she died 15 years ago, leave it there

I can only imagine.

"What? The 49ers had the first pick in the draft?"
...the bulls made the playoff for the first time in how long and the red sox did what?

Marrakech II -- you are personally responsible for this crap:

ok.. with the terri schiavo case:

since there was no proof of whether she was in pain or not...
i think it was up to her parents to decide whether to keep her alive or not. Her husband lost his say over her life when he started going out with another woman while he was still married to Terri.

Again, did you know her? Then SHOW SOME RESPECT AND CALL HERE BY HER LAST NAME!!!!!!!!!

It was neither Ms. Schiavo's husband's decision nor her parents decision.

It was HER decision.

And you must not be aware that Ms. Schiavo's parents convinced Mr. Schiavo to move on with his life. They introduced him to women they thought he would date!

They also recommended that Mr. Schiavo be Ms. Schiavo's guardian.

He obviously lost all hope in her,

He lost hope several years after all of her doctors did. Mr. Schiavo took his wife to multiple specialists in a desperate attempt to find some hope. Then he finally faced facts.

and wanted to get any more money possible from insurance (he already had about 5 million from a malpractice suit, 2.5 of which were used for terri's medical bills).

That is a vicious, ugly lie. Shame on you.

Though terri was a vegetable (the doctors fault 15 years ago), it was not up to her husband to decide... it should have been up to her parents, and it wouldnt have been a big problem.

It was not up to either Mr. Schiavo or the Schindlers to decide.

Ms. Schiavo had a constitutional right to refuse medical treatment. She could not be kept alive against her will.

Multiple courts determined based on the testimony of multiple witnesses that -- by clear and convincing evidence -- Ms. Schiavo would not have wanted to be forcibly kept alive.

The big part of why this case was so publicized was because the parents wanted her alive, and her husband wanted her alive...

The big part of why this case was so publicized was that the Schindler's became desperate and lost all shame, certain political and right-to-life organizations exploited the case, and several Republican politicians exploited the case.

People are allowed to refuse medical treatment -- by proxy if necessary -- and allowed to die every day. But Jeb Bush and Tom DeLay only get on a soapbox about it when they think it serves their agenda.

i think that euthanasia... and pulling the plug is ok, as long as everyone agrees its the best thing to do...

I don't care whether "everyone agrees." The only opinion that matters is that of the one who is either being forcibly kept alive or will be allowed to die.

If I don't want to die, don't kill me.

If I don't wish to be forcibly kept alive, don't force tubes down my throat.

The Terri Schiavo case however, i disagreed with the husbands motives, and his choice.

As it was not Mr. Schiavo's choice, YOU SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT!

If you insist on discussing this subject, do a little homework and get your facts straight.

You might read this (http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/schiavo/flsct92304opn.pdf), this (http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/schiavo/1203galrpt.pdf), and this (http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/schiavo/32305opn11.pdf). For starters.

Rejoin the discussion when you know what the hell you are talking about.

This reminds me of all those losers who stood outside her hostel or whatever crying when "Teri" died. Get a life... Literally. Don't steal someone elses.

If you asked me she should not have been bolimic in the first place. It's just natural selection at work folks.

If you asked me she should not have been bolimic in the first place. It's just natural selection at work folks.

I sort of agree, but next time try to phrase it in a way that doesn't make you look like an asshole.

If you asked me she should not have been bolimic in the first place. It's just natural selection at work folks.

Yeah you have a point, what mustache wearing husband wants a chubby wife?

God, will people get over this. It shouldn't have been national news in the first place, and she has been dead a while now.

I sort of agree, but next time try to phrase it in a way that doesn't make you look like an asshole.

Nope, in my opinion, if one is stupid and shallow enough to harm yourself to make yourself attractive, one has it coming. Once again, natural selection at work.

To be facetious, I think its fair to say that Mrs. Schiavo would have wanted to starve to death. After all, she WAS bulemic...

Nope, in my opinion, if one is stupid and shallow enough to harm yourself to make yourself attractive, one has it coming. Once again, natural selection at work.


Or to please another....

What I do not understand is whay all the liberals, at least the humanitarian ones, were not defending her... I mean they go after the death penalty but agree with abortion, they want to feed the hungry, yet they take feeding tubes to a person in a "persistent vegetative state", persistent vegetative state my butt!!
Why?!?!?!
That is all I want to know!!
THey are hypocrites if you ask me...but that is just MY, and many others', opinionns..

This thread will end with it being locked and multiple users being warned and/or deleted.

This thread will end with it being locked and multiple users being warned and/or deleted.

I suppose, it is a pretty useless thread.

Hrmmmm ... all I have to say:

Too late!

That is, unless, you've figured out how to bring her back from the dead. Of course, once that's figured out, Tom Delay and the Neocon Gang will be lobbying to ensure nobody gets to die ever.

Grandma would be happier alive, boys! Got the shovels?

What I do not understand is whay all the liberals, at least the humanitarian ones, were not defending her... I mean they go after the death penalty but agree with abortion, they want to feed the hungry, yet they take feeding tubes to a person in a "persistent vegetative state", persistent vegetative state my butt!!
Why?!?!?!
That is all I want to know!!
THey are hypocrites if you ask me...but that is just MY, and many others', opinionns..

Perhaps some of us have the intelligence to compare like cases to like cases and treat them similarly and to distinguish between cases that are alike and treat them differently.

Abortion does not kill a person.

The death penalty does. (Although many conservatives are opposed to it and many liberals are not.)

Allowing abortion harms no persons and protects fundamental human rights.

The death penalty harms persons and sometimes infringes fundamental human rights.

Stopping hunger is good. (Unless you are some Malthusian asshole.)

Stopping hunger infringes on no rights.

Forciby keeping someone alive against their wishes is bad and violates their rights.

And, yes, persistent vegetative state. It was established repeatedly by pre-eminent experts that Ms. Schiavo was in a pesistent vegetative state. Most of her brain was gone and replaced with spinal fluid.

If you are concerned that your butt is in a persistent vegetative state, you should consult a physician. But, if you understood what the term meant, you would know that is not possible.

Perhaps some of us have the intelligence to compare like cases to like cases and treat them similarly and to distinguish between cases that are alike and treat them differently.

Abortion does not kill a person.

The death penalty does. (Although many conservatives are opposed to it and many liberals are not.)

Allowing abortion harms no persons and protects fundamental human rights.

The death penalty harms persons and sometimes infringes fundamental human rights.

Stopping hunger is good. (Unless you are some Malthusian asshole.)

Stopping hunger infringes on no rights.

Forciby keeping someone alive against their wishes is bad and violates their rights.

And, yes, persistent vegetative state. It was established repeatedly by pre-eminent experts that Ms. Schiavo was in a pesistent vegetative state. Most of her brain was gone and replaced with spinal fluid.

If you are concerned that your butt is in a persistent vegetative state, you should consult a physician. But, if you understood what the term meant, you would know that is not possible.
THis is my last response..but, How in the world can you say that abortion is not harming someone...IT IS FLIPPIN' KILLIN' A CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!AND WORSE ON PURPOSE!!!

THis is my last response..but, How in the world can you say that abortion is not harming someone...IT IS FLIPPIN' KILLIN' A CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!AND WORSE ON PURPOSE!!!

Well..... nevermind. Go look at the many many threads on abortion.

The goverment has no right to regulate how we live or how we die, this was just plain wrong. This was just a big case of right wing republicans Christians to once again thump us over the head and tell us once again how evil we supposedly are for not living our lives like they think we should. Any by the way I'm Republican, but not Chrisitian at all, but I repect and whoel hardly believe in goverment and other people trying to regulate religion or morality in our lives. Isn't that what freedom of religion and freedom of speech are all about? :rolleyes: :D

The goverment has no right to regulate how we live or how we die, this was just plain wrong. This was just a big case of right wing republicans Christians to once again thump us over the head and tell us once again how evil we supposedly are for not living our lives like they think we should. Any by the way I'm Republican, but not Chrisitian at all, but I repect and whoel hardly believe in goverment and other people trying to regulate religion or morality in our lives. Isn't that what freedom of religion and freedom of speech are all about? :rolleyes: :D

exactly. It's a shame that both parties made a huge deal about the shiavo case. It should be up to the next of kin to decide whether they want to support their loved one or not, the government has no right whatsoever to intervene in these cases. It's the same thing with abortion and gay marriage. The government should not restrict in any way personal freedoms in the name of Christianity.

THis is my last response..but, How in the world can you say that abortion is not harming someone...IT IS FLIPPIN' KILLIN' A CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!AND WORSE ON PURPOSE!!!

It does not harm a "person" is what I said.

I stand by that.

Pigs -- which we deliberately kill everday 'cuz they are tasty -- have a better claim to personhood -- and rights -- than embryos, zygotes, and early term abortions.

Late-term abortions are generally illegal except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. They are also extremely rare.

Bring one who has studied a reasonable amount of Neurology, several parts of Teri's brain had been, simply, liquified. The parts that controlled her motor skills, memories, emotional attachments and recognitions had ceased to exist, and brain cells are ultimately unable to be recollected or reproduced.

She was done for. They could have never revived her.

A question: Is passive euthanasia, such as removing a feeding tube, legal (in the states) when a person has stated in a living will that they wish to die once they reach a vegetative state? I think its semi-legal here, i.e the law is not quite clear.

A question: Is passive euthanasia, such as removing a feeding tube, legal (in the states) when a person has stated in a living will that they wish to die once they reach a vegetative state? I think its semi-legal here, i.e the law is not quite clear.

suicide is illegal, the refusal of medical treatment is legal and a feeding tude is generally(though not by the catholic church) considered to be a medical procedure/treatment. you can stipulate what sort of treatment you do or do not want if you are incapacitated, if you don't whoever is considered your guardian will have to make it for you, hopeful based on their best understanding of your wishes.

movie spoiler
if you watched million dollar baby, the ending is unrealistic for that very reason, if she was mentally competent she had the right to refuse treatment.

If she had been being fed through an I.V., it would have been illegal. However, the feeding tube used is so complicated that it has been ruled as a medical device rather than a method of feeding.
Although personally, I was in favor of giving Mrs. Schiavo a shot of morphine, and ending things in a few minutes, rather than two weeks.

Now, lets go over for a minute the facts of the Schiavo case.
Fifteen years ago Mrs. Schiavo suffered a stroke, brought on by her eating disorder.
Due to errors made in surgery, Mrs. Schiavo slipped into a persistent vegitative state.
Mrs. Schiavo felt nothing after this. She saw nothing, she said nothing, she was not aware in any way of her surroundings. Occaisionally she made noise, but it was nothing more than the air in her lungs moving through her vocal cords. Most of her brain was missing, replaced with spinal fluid, and the only parts left were the parts that kept her heart beating and her lungs moving.
Mrs. Shaivo had previously told her husband that, were she to be on life support, unconscious and with no hope of recovery, that she wished to be taken off of that life support and allowed to die.
Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube was ruled as life support by florida courts.
Mr. Schiavo spent years trying to find a way for his wife to recover, going to the ends of the earth to see specialists.
Every single doctor who has personally examined Mrs. Schiavo has concluded that she was in a persistent vegitative state with no chance of recovery.
About five years after Mrs. Schiavo's incident, Mr. Schiavo had given up hope. His wife was indeed in a persistent vegitative state with no hope of recovery.
The Schindlers, Mrs. Schiavo's parents, are roman catholic and very religious. They do not believe in a right to die, believed that Mrs. Schiavo was not in a persistent vegitative state, and was aware of her surroundings.
Mr. Schiavo attempted to have Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube removed, in accordance with her wishes. He was blocked by her parents.
Seven years ago, Mr. Schiavo met a woman and began living with her. They have had two children together. Mr. Schiavo still maintained his marriage with Mrs. Schiavo in order to see that her wishes were carried out.
After several lengthy court battles, it was finally settled in a state court, that Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube would be removed.
The Republican controlled congress rushed to write a bill to allow a federal court to preside over the case. The federal court ALSO descided that Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube should be removed.
Mr. Schiavo has been offered a million dollars to give up guardianship of his wife to her parents. This is more than he could hope to make on any insurance scheme.
Mrs. Schiavo felt no pain, not from starvation or dehydration, after her feeding tube was removed. She did not suffer. In fact, people who are fully conscious and aware and elect to have their feeding tube removed have testified that they felt no hunger, or thirst, or pain.
Mr. Schiavo ordered an autopsy to be performed on his wife, the results of which were to be made public, to end all questions.
Mrs. Shiavo was cremated after the autopsy.

There. That should set things straight.

This is a story off cnn today. I know this isnt the exact problem that teri had. But this illustrates why we probably shouldnt have allowed her so called husband to put her to rest. Interesting to say the least. Read on....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/05/03/firefighter.speaks.ap/index.html

Anyone that wants to flame for another Teri thread. Will say this in advance. Dont care what you think.

Notice how it says "he did something that shocked his family and doctors...?"

It shocked them because it almost never happens. This is a one in a million thing. Frankly, I find it silly that we should keep every vegetable on the planet alive because one or two of them might snap out of it. There's a time for compassion, and there's a time for practicality. If I'm ever like that, I don't care if my brain is awake; I'd still want to be put down because that's no way to go through life. Fuck that.

Notice how it says "he did something that shocked his family and doctors...?"

It shocked them because it almost never happens. This is a one in a million thing. Frankly, I find it silly that we should keep every vegetable on the planet alive because one or two of them might snap out of it. There's a time for compassion, and there's a time for practicality. If I'm ever like that, I don't care if my brain is awake; I'd still want to be put down because that's no way to go through life. Fuck that.

Ditto

This is a story off cnn today. I know this isnt the exact problem that teri had. But this illustrates why we probably shouldnt have allowed her so called husband to put her to rest. Interesting to say the least. Read on....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/05/03/firefighter.speaks.ap/index.html

Anyone that wants to flame for another Teri thread. Will say this in advance. Dont care what you think.

Bit late for that, isn't it? That's like crying over spilled milk.


Notice how it says "he did something that shocked his family and doctors...?"

It shocked them because it almost never happens. This is a one in a million thing. Frankly, I find it silly that we should keep every vegetable on the planet alive because one or two of them might snap out of it. There's a time for compassion, and there's a time for practicality. If I'm ever like that, I don't care if my brain is awake; I'd still want to be put down because that's no way to go through life. Fuck that.

I second that.

The fact that this story (Schaivo) got so much attention frankly makes me sick.
That fact that so many people wanted to prop her dying body on a stick and parade her around for thier own political agendas, or religious beliefs, is something that I cant even begin to describe.

I simply dont have the words to describe how angry that makes me.

That so many people in the state of Florida literally wanted Jeb Bush to parade the National Guard into that hosptital and re-insert her feeding tube
scares me to my core.
That people who wave a book of peace in one hand, and then actually desire the Government to forcibly take action in something that the Constitution says Government has no right to do...is the height of hippocrasy.

What kind of self centered, shallow, overbearing, dangerously uneducated, religious zealotous world are living in, when so many people want to strip away what was paid for in blood, by interfering in what is absolutely NONE of thier business?

People that do this kind of crap in the name of God, all because they believe that they, and no one else, are correct about anything, piss me off so badly I just cant take it.
God wanted that woman to die YEARS ago.....and you stopped it then.
You think living a life as a breathing meatbag was GOD'S PLAN?!

If I did believe in God, I would FIRMLY believe that ignorant fools like that would be the only "Anti-Christ" the world will ever need.

The fact that this story (Schaivo) got so much attention frankly makes me sick.
That fact that so many people wanted to prop her dying body on a stick and parade her around for thier own political agendas, or religious beliefs, is something that I cant even begin to describe.

I simply dont have the words to describe how angry that makes me.

That so many people in the state of Florida literally wanted Jeb Bush to parade the National Guard into that hosptital and re-insert her feeding tube
scares me to my core.
That people who wave a book of peace in one hand, and then actually desire the Government to forcibly take action in something that the Constitution says Government has no right to do...is the height of hippocrasy.

What kind of self centered, shallow, overbearing, dangerously uneducated, religious zealotous world are living in, when so many people want to strip away what was paid for in blood, by interfering in what is absolutely NONE of thier business?

People that do this kind of crap in the name of God, all because they believe that they, and no one else, are correct about anything, piss me off so badly I just cant take it.
God wanted that woman to die YEARS ago.....and you stopped it then.
You think living a life as a breathing meatbag was GOD'S PLAN?!

If I did believe in God, I would FIRMLY believe that ignorant fools like that would be the only "Anti-Christ" the world will ever need.

I agree... it's much the same as GW Bush making his Election speeches in front of the remains of the WTC.

Politicians capitalising on the suffering of others makes me sick.

You know, this thread just made something come to mind.

The ancient Greeks did not believe in glory after death, no heaven, nothing but a cold dark existence as a shadow of your former self in Erebus. Essentially, everyone ended up there. They believed that to be glorified it must be done in this life which was essentially indoctrinated ambition that gave rise to conquerors and the Olympic games among other things. The goal was to have someone remember your name after you where gone.

Teri Schaivo didn't do a damn thing that would prompt this type of grandeur but still, after she is gone, everyone remembers her name. Also, as if that wasn't enough, this has landed right in the bloody middle of politics and the consequences of her half-life are most likely going to be felt in law by EVERYONE for years and years.

Amazing really.

You know, this thread just made something come to mind.

The ancient Greeks did not believe in glory after death, no heaven, nothing but a cold dark existence as a shadow of your former self in Erebus. Essentially, everyone ended up there. They believed that to be glorified it must be done in this life which was essentially indoctrinated ambition that gave rise to conquerors and the Olympic games among other things. The goal was to have someone remember your name after you where gone.

Teri Schaivo didn't do a damn thing that would prompt this type of grandeur but still, after she is gone, everyone remembers her name. Also, as if that wasn't enough, this has landed right in the bloody middle of politics and the consequences of her half-life are most likely going to be felt in law by EVERYONE for years and years.

Amazing really.


Wow. We agree on something.

This may be a sign of the apocalypse. I'm going to need a haircut.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/27/Columns/Living_will_is_the_be.shtml

That drives my point home.

Wow. We agree on something.

This may be a sign of the apocalypse. I'm going to need a haircut.


Woah... just woah...

Proof that ANYONE can find a sliver of common ground! o.0

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/27/Columns/Living_will_is_the_be.shtml

That drives my point home.
Yes it does... It's good, but I've seen this kind of thing before.