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Leave him alone Bullies! :(

really thats awful!

liked the one of him with a pint in his hand though.... barvarians love beer!

Ive got a pic of yourstruely wavung a flag when Pope John Paul II went to Australia
I am the new pope!

Seriously, he needs to just come out at some point and say he is sorry for being a little Nazi. Something like "I was young and needed the money."

There are much better things to make fun of him for though, like his anti-Harry Potter stance.

my favourite part was how you cant defame the "catholic reglion" in Italy, separtion of religion and Gov't. (all other religions are fair game)

my favourite part was how you cant defame the "catholic reglion" in Italy, separtion of religion and Gov't. (all other religions are fair game)Only the US has that, many other nations have alink between religion and the Church. After all most laws in the world are based on Church law.

Seriously, he needs to just come out at some point and say he is sorry for being a little Nazi.

Screw you. He has nothing to apologize for. He was DRAFTED as a CONSCRIPT damnit, don´t you get it? It´s either "get drafted" or "get lynched".

Got it?

Screw you. He has nothing to apologize for. He was DRAFTED as a CONSCRIPT damnit, don´t you get it? It´s either "get drafted" or "get lynched".

Got it?
No he joined of his own free will, there may have been presure but he could like many, refuse and suffer the conesquences. But saying that, he was a child and no one should be held accountable for something that harmed no one that happened when they were a child.

Screw you. He has nothing to apologize for. He was DRAFTED as a CONSCRIPT damnit, don´t you get it? It´s either "get drafted" or "get lynched".

Got it?

That is still a choice, and many chose to die rather than be a part of the regime. If he would come out and say "I know it was wrong but I did it to save my life," most people would drop it. Since he hasn't, many will assume he agreed with the policies involved.

No he joined of his own free will, there may have been presure but he could like many, refuse and suffer the conesquences. But saying that, he was a child and no one should be held accountable for something that harmed no one that happened when they were a child.

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"As a seminarian, he was briefly enrolled in the Hitler Youth in the early 1940s, though he was never a member of the Nazi party," Allen, a Vatican specialist, wrote in an article published in National Catholic Reporter in 1999.

"In 1943 he was conscripted into an anti-aircraft unit guarding a BMW plant outside Munich," wrote Allen.

"In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps," Ignatius said. "Though he was opposed to the Nazis, he was forced to join at a young age."

"As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he escaped from the Nazis and returned to his family's home in Traunstein, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household," Ignatius said.

So much for "own free will".

Mind you, and even IF he joined voluntarily, there is NOTHING wrong with fightining for your country, especially if it faces foreign aggression (that is, what most Germans at this time believed).

I see no reason why he should apologize.

Screw you. He has nothing to apologize for.

Small nitpick: he has nothing to apologize for as far as being a child in the Hitlerjugend is concerned. In his position as head of the RC church however there are no doubt plenty of things he has to apologize for. But that is not him as a person, that is him as Pope.

That is still a choice, and many chose to die rather than be a part of the regime. If he would come out and say "I know it was wrong but I did it to save my life," most people would drop it. Since he hasn't, many will assume he agreed with the policies involved.

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11965-4305077,00.html

"In 1943 while still in seminary, he was drafted at age 16 into the German anti-aircraft corps," Ignatius said. "Though he was opposed to the Nazis, he was forced to join at a young age."

Ratzinger's father "saw that a victory of Hitler would not be a victory for Germany but a victory of the Antichrist," Seewald's US publisher, Ignatius Press, wrote in a summary of Seewald's book.

I guess people should let begones be begones. NO reason to ejaculate all over it. That´s just a cheap attempt to snipe at the pope. Nothing else.

Typical lefty nonsense.

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Irrelevant.

I guess people should let begones be begones. NO reason to ejaculate all over it. That´s just a cheap attempt to snipe at the pope. Nothing else.

Well, it would fit in with church history. Many priests allowed their holy texts to be confiscated and burned during Roman persecution. Why? They would have been killed otherwise. Such priests were stripped of their title until such time as they apologized and did penance.

Way to ignore what I said by the way. He still had a choice. If he knew it was wrong, he still could have attempted to avoid it. Could it have led to his death? Maybe, but that would've been his choice. If he didn't know it was wrong, he should feel bad for being a part of it now that he does. Avoiding the issue just makes him look like he might be guilty. Bygones can not be bygones until there is an apology.

Typical lefty nonsense.

What does this have to do with politics, exactly?

Irrelevant.

That is not for you to say, mind you.


Way to ignore what I said by the way. He still had a choice. If he knew it was wrong, he still could have attempted to avoid it. Could it have led to his death? Maybe, but that would've been his choice. If he didn't know it was wrong, he should feel bad for being a part of it now that he does. Avoiding the issue just makes him look like he might be guilty. Bygones can not be bygones until there is an apology.


Just because he could have avoided it doesn´t mean he should have avoided it. I doubt I´d have acted different if I´d be in his place, at the given time, society and circumstances.

I see no point why he should apologize. Absolutley no point. Intimidation and bullying tactics used by the 3rd Reich used to be pretty powerful and very convincing (join in or off to Dachau with you...). He acted out of fear for reprisal against him, his family, his friends. He has nothing to apologize for.

What does this have to do with politics, exactly?

I noticed that kost of the criticism about the "evil baby eating jew-gassing nazi pope" came from leftists. Mind you, I´m a "lefty" myself and I´m actually not a fan of the whole catholic church/ papacy thing, but I think what´s going on about Benedict XVI. is nothing but mudslinging and hypocrisy. Nothing else.

Just because he could have avoided it doesn´t mean he should have avoided it. I doubt I´d have acted different if I´d be in his place, at the given time, society and circumstances.

I see no point why he should apologize. Absolutley no point. Intimidation and bullying tactics used by the 3rd Reich used to be pretty powerful and very convincing (join in or off to Dachau with you...). He acted out of fear for reprisal against him, his family, his friends. He has nothing to apologize for.

Suppose someone told me that I had to torture and kill an infant to save myself and my family and friends. Suppose I did so. Would I be excused for my behaviour because I was doing it out of fear?

The fact that he may have done this out of fear is understandable, but still deserves an apology. Doing something wrong out of fear doesn't make it right, it simply makes it understandable.

Only the US has that, many other nations have alink between religion and the Church.
Yeah, sure. I guess international constutional law is your major, right?

Screw you. He has nothing to apologize for. He was DRAFTED as a CONSCRIPT damnit, don´t you get it? It´s either "get drafted" or "get lynched".

Got it?
Sounds similar to the purposed "choices" given by the Christian god

Believe "get drafted" otherwise suffer eternal damnation

But for some reason people don’t mind as much when it is the purposed lord making the statement

Edit: what I was geting at here is that you make it sound like he HAD no choice to not join
If he did not have freedom of choice with that hanging over him how in the hell (pun intended) do you expect humans to have a free choice to believe in god or not

Either the pope had freedom of choice and so does the rest of humanity or neither.

Some people like to think any old German person is a Nazi, it's just ignorance.

Screw you.
Okay, general reminder, people: Keep it civil.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Some people like to think any old German person is a Nazi, it's just ignorance.

Most older Germans who joined out of fear feel bad about it - and have apologized.

The new pope will be picked on, and that is it. There are no two ways about it. He has power; he is in essence, a politician; he is the head of the RCC, which could be considered a bureaucracy.

Irrelevant.



Well, it would fit in with church history. Many priests allowed their holy texts to be confiscated and burned during Roman persecution. Why? They would have been killed otherwise. Such priests were stripped of their title until such time as they apologized and did penance.

Way to ignore what I said by the way. He still had a choice. If he knew it was wrong, he still could have attempted to avoid it. Could it have led to his death? Maybe, but that would've been his choice. If he didn't know it was wrong, he should feel bad for being a part of it now that he does. Avoiding the issue just makes him look like he might be guilty. Bygones can not be bygones until there is an apology.



What does this have to do with politics, exactly?

Exactly … but somehow when he is threatened with death it is not a free choice but when the rest of us are (by god) it is somehow free then

my favourite part was how you cant defame the "catholic reglion" in Italy, separtion of religion and Gov't. (all other religions are fair game)
I thought that was classic!

The fact that he'd let someone's opinion be squashed already makes him a jackass.

well lets pick on the pope, he is, regardless of his past, still a homophobic, uberconservative.

Plus, Joey Ratz has a face that would scare children. When he smiles, I get goosebumps. I think it's his perpetually angry eyes.

The new pope I think has done a fine job of distancing himself from his past. His connection to the Nazi party was non-existant, and he deserted the german military at first opportunity. He has been on record before I belive, detailing his position on WW2.

His reputation as a strict doctinist was mostly due to his position I believe; his job was to uphold doctrine and he did so with zeal. I admit that his background as an upholder of doctrines that may have been in need of re-examination has me somewhat worried. However, he softened his hardline image in the opening weeks, how genuine it is, time will tell.

This Harry Pottter issue seems like more of a regression to his old ways, some cause for concern, but not really unexpected. I only wonder if it will lead somewhere.

He bears a startling resemblance to Emperor Palpintine. Lets just pick on him for that.

He bears a startling resemblance to Emperor Palpintine. Lets just pick on him for that.

Done, and done. ;)

He bears a startling resemblance to Emperor Palpintine. Lets just pick on him for that.

:D