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Okay: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7708293/

THIS is an endangered Santa Cruz Island fox:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050502/050502_fox_vmed_7a.standard.jpg

...whose numbers have declined 90% in the past 15 years. There are less than 100 left.

Is is okay to kill the pigs?
"Sterilization and contraception aren’t practical because the plan would fail if biologists miss only a few pigs — the fast-breeding pigs can rebound from a 70 percent population reduction in just one year, according to Galipeau."

The pigs escaped from ranches in the 1850s. Humans caused this mess. What to do?

Kill the humans.

Blow the shit out of the pigs. Duh.

Kill the humans.

We've been trying for the past 10,000 years, but they're worse than the pigs! :D

to hell with the pigs

Napalm. The solution to all life's great problems.

Napalm. The solution to all life's great problems.

That would also kill the foxes...

It's a tough call.

Pigs return to the wild in one or two generations. So are they really not a wild animal?

How long does an animal have to live in a place before it's declared "normal?"

Take Madagasgar, if monkeys and or apes somehow were introduced, they would push the Lemurs to extinction. An interesting conumdrum when one endangered animal is a threat to another.

If you really want to help the ecosystem, ban humans from the island.

I would guess the pigs have to go.

Kill the humans.
i second (third?) that motion

also, why not just introduce more bald eagles and foxes no one seems to support that option here

That would also kill the foxes...

Ah HA. Precision guided napalm. That'll do it just nicely.

i second (third?) that motion

Anyone else seeing the irony here? Just me?

Kill the pigs. All of them.

Napalm. The solution to all life's great problems.

Hmmmmm Roasted Pig!

My thought was that it'd be a LOT of free bacon for the LA soup kitchens...

Anyone else seeing the irony here? Just me?
please bring it to my attention

Ah HA. Precision guided napalm. That'll do it just nicely.

The foxes are small, and by all accounts are stealthy. They'd not show up on radar; thus no precision guidance system. Sorry.

I can't make up my mind, would the rest of you help me, because I refuse to hold a strong opinion on my own
sorry, just seeing if i can actually misquote someone. no humans, no problem
:headbang: :sniper:

The foxes are small, and by all accounts are stealthy. They'd not show up on radar; thus no precision guidance system. Sorry.

Infra-red? Some form of advanced TV guidance system? LIDAR? MMR? Laser designated? Where there's a will, there's a way. Where there's a way, there's always an option involving high explosives.

we shouldn't kill other animals to save it. let evolution play out on it's own.

sorry, just seeing if i can actually misquote someone. no moderators, no problem
:headbang: :sniper:

Most assuredly, one can. But it's a good thing you had that smiley up there. :cool:

Okay: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7708293/

THIS is an endangered Santa Cruz Island fox:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050502/050502_fox_vmed_7a.standard.jpg

...whose numbers have declined 90% in the past 15 years. There are less than 100 left.

Is is okay to kill the pigs?
"Sterilization and contraception aren’t practical because the plan would fail if biologists miss only a few pigs — the fast-breeding pigs can rebound from a 70 percent population reduction in just one year, according to Galipeau."

The pigs escaped from ranches in the 1850s. Humans caused this mess. What to do?

The article is not 100% accurate, but close enough.

It is a rather easy call. The foxes are an endangered species. The pigs are not.

Here is more information on the subject:

http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/meso/island.html
http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/california/features/sci_overview.html

we shouldn't kill other animals to save it. let evolution play out on it's own.

But the pigs aren't native... it's not evolution, is it?

we shouldn't kill other animals to save it. let evolution play out on it's own.

Ahh but it's not a natural process.

Without mans intrusion, the pigs had no way to get there.

But the pigs aren't native... it's not evolution, is it?

organisms move around in the wild anyways. i see what you're saying a little, but i'm leaning more on the side of let evolution go on it's own. of course, one could argue, humans are animals and us killing the pigs is evolution, but that wouldn't make sense.

Okay: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7708293/

THIS is an endangered Santa Cruz Island fox:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050502/050502_fox_vmed_7a.standard.jpg

...whose numbers have declined 90% in the past 15 years. There are less than 100 left.

Is is okay to kill the pigs?
"Sterilization and contraception aren’t practical because the plan would fail if biologists miss only a few pigs — the fast-breeding pigs can rebound from a 70 percent population reduction in just one year, according to Galipeau."

The pigs escaped from ranches in the 1850s. Humans caused this mess. What to do?
This is a problem world-wide, with many, many different sorts of animal life and plant life "hitching a ride" with humans, and includes everything from kelp to pigs to God only knows what-all. If you can figure out what to do about it, I'm sure there are many governments more than willing to pay you an absolutely outrageous fee! :D

Most assuredly, one can. But it's a good thing you had that smiley up there. :cool:
Hmmmm....I can see there could be danger with this power in the wrong hands. ;)

Which tastes better, fox or pig? Whatever the answer is, eat both. :D

This is a problem world-wide, with many, many different sorts of animal life and plant life "hitching a ride" with humans, and includes everything from kelp to pigs to God only knows what-all. If you can figure out what to do about it, I'm sure there are many governments more than willing to pay you an absolutely outrageous fee! :D

Barring the "stock the homeless shelters with cheap vittles", I've not come up with much... sorry, I'll get right on it after I've finished up with the weather control machine and the teleporter. ;)

Feral pigs are bad. Similar problem in Australia of feral pigs destroying the natural ecosystem and threatening the native species. I say kill the pigs.

One Word: barbeque

The problem seems to stem mostly from the fact that pigs were introduced into the ecosystem, and they are not replacing the native pig population. Simple enough, so far. the problem is, are the pigs now incorporated into the ecosystem in what used to be the foxes niche? If they are, there's no way we could take them out without causing even more ecological damage than we already have. If they haven't taken the niche, then the foxes need to be re-introduced, and the pigs need to be captured, and (preferably) removed to somewhere where they can do some good, say a present-day ranch, so we avoid more needless slaughted, to secure the foxes back in the ecosystem. Problems: capturing the pigs, which they're already doing, and transporting them, which with only about 3000 pigs shouldn't be TOO bad. It would take a bit longer, but it seems to me that we're rushing this anyway, and that slowing it down wouldn't be a bad idea.

Infra-red? Some form of advanced TV guidance system? LIDAR? MMR? Laser designated? Where there's a will, there's a way. Where there's a way, there's always an option involving high explosives.

Infra-red is of limited use, since there are lots of heat signatures from the swine to begin with, it'd be hard to target.

TV guidance has possibilities, but isn't useful for cookie-cutter strikes. It's more of a one-shot-one-hit application. You'd have to have LOTS of SMALL napalm projectiles, and that'd be not only cost prohibitive, it'd also be less sure to work. More of a chance for error.

LIDAR? (laser imaging detection and ranging) Not sensitive enough; it works best against metal. Great for GPS, but not likely to be able to determine fox from pig.

I have no idea what MMR is.

Ditto LIDAR for lasers.

Keep working on it, who knows? You may get a government grant if you can figure it out. Right now, they're just using guys in helicopters with rifles...

The problem seems to stem mostly from the fact that pigs were introduced into the ecosystem, and they are not replacing the native pig population. Simple enough, so far. the problem is, are the pigs now incorporated into the ecosystem in what used to be the foxes niche? If they are, there's no way we could take them out without causing even more ecological damage than we already have. If they haven't taken the niche, then the foxes need to be re-introduced, and the pigs need to be captured, and (preferably) removed to somewhere where they can do some good, say a present-day ranch, so we avoid more needless slaughted, to secure the foxes back in the ecosystem. Problems: capturing the pigs, which they're already doing, and transporting them, which with only about 3000 pigs shouldn't be TOO bad. It would take a bit longer, but it seems to me that we're rushing this anyway, and that slowing it down wouldn't be a bad idea.

Federal and state law prohibits relocating the pigs, which may have pseudorabies and cholera, to the mainland.

Hmm. Some form of chemical / biological agent engineered specificially to kill those pigs?

Or, alternatively, gather the remaining foxes by helicopter, then launch wave after wave of napalm against the area, and have yourself a hogroast.

I recommend breeding the pigs and foxes, creating poxes. Or figs. Both are saved.

How's this for an idea. SCREW THEM BOTH! Who cares about some dumb pigs or foxes! As is, even if the pigs were all killed, the foxes would probably die from lack of genetic diversity, disease, or some other thing. And, why do those foxes matter so much? over 100 species go extinct each day, why does it matter if tomorrow it's 101?

Well we can't just let those foxes go to waste. We should enjoy the rare, delicious Santa Cruz fox barbeque while we can. Then we can barbeque all the pigs.

Barring the "stock the homeless shelters with cheap vittles", I've not come up with much... sorry, I'll get right on it after I've finished up with the weather control machine and the teleporter. ;)
LOL! I KNEW there was some reason I liked you! :D

And, why do those foxes matter so much? over 100 species go extinct each day, why does it matter if tomorrow it's 101?
So the entire motherfucking ecosystem remains a bit longer before totally collapsing and taking us with it?

How's this for an idea. SCREW THEM BOTH! Who cares about some dumb pigs or foxes! As is, even if the pigs were all killed, the foxes would probably die from lack of genetic diversity, disease, or some other thing. And, why do those foxes matter so much? over 100 species go extinct each day, why does it matter if tomorrow it's 101?
There's an ever-growing program called "Daisy World," which illustrates how the more biological diversity present, the greater weather is moderated. Here's a link to more about this, together with an interactive game-like model:

http://cs.clark.edu/~mac/physlets/DaisyWorld/Daisy.htm

So the entire motherfucking ecosystem remains a bit longer before totally collapsing and taking us with it?
we can build our own ecosystem. Humans can survive by living on a dozen species of grains, a few species of fruits and vegetables, and a few animals. To hell with all the other species.

send about 50 large black families...they eat the pigs.....intestines and all....

~offensive statement of the day~

we can build our own ecosystem. Humans can survive by living on a dozen species of grains, a few species of fruits and vegetables, and a few animals. To hell with all the other species.
Not when there's a massive algal dieoff and we run out of oxygen.

[QUOTE=Eutrusca]"Daisy World," which illustrates how the more biological diversity present, the greater weather is moderated.
QUOTE]
Just because someone or some group of people who are smarter than you say something, that doesn't mean that it's true. :headbang:

if it's biodiversity we're worried about why don't we throw a few nukes into the amazon rain forest, that way the radiation will cause a lot of mutations in existing populations, giving rise to new strains of life and new species.

if it's biodiversity we're worried about why don't we throw a few nukes into the amazon rain forest, that way the radiation will cause a lot of mutations in existing populations, giving rise to new strains of life and new species.
Because it would mutate the somatic cells, not the gametes.

Kill the pigs and eat them. Never tasted roasted fox - I opt for the pigs!

Not when there's a massive algal dieoff and we run out of oxygen.
why would algae die off? algae grows insanely fast. the problem we're seeing nowadays is excessive algae which bloom in polluted lakes and killing existing species by using up all the nutrients in the body of water. We'll never run out of algae. Algae has been around for billions of years and it has infested the earth's bodies of water through thick and thin.

send about 50 large black families...they eat the pigs.....intestines and all....

~offensive statement of the day~
Very! :(

However, converting the pigs to food would probably work well. :)

Because it would mutate the somatic cells, not the gametes.
Radiation would mutate gametes too you know.

Maybe i'm just missing some incredibly important piece of information, but I really don't see why everyone cares so much about 100+ foxes! :headbang:

send about 50 large black families...they eat the pigs.....intestines and all....

~offensive statement of the day~

That may hit statement of the week. It's only Monday. :p

We should kill em all - humans, pigs, foxes, everything.

Maybe i'm just missing some incredibly important piece of information, but I really don't see why everyone cares so much about 100+ foxes! :headbang:

Mmm...yes. People are more concerned with animals than humans. Which is certainly fine by me, considering I can just find these people and kill them, as long as I don't do anything to harm a pig or fox. Honestly, I'd rather be a vegetarian and just watch idiots fall off the planet one by one.

Oh, my! Someone yell at me now! :rolleyes:

Maybe i'm just missing some incredibly important piece of information, but I really don't see why everyone cares so much about 100+ foxes! :headbang:

Sorry, most of us don't care about the opinions of folks with less than 1000 posts. :D

Radiation would mutate gametes too you know.
I know. It just rarely mutates them without killing them, and mutations from such massive doses of radiation warp the DNA too much for it to code for a functioning organism.

Hmmmmm Roasted Pig!


MmMmMMm RoAsTed HuManS

Maybe i'm just missing some incredibly important piece of information, but I really don't see why everyone cares so much about 100+ foxes! :headbang:
You did. My fucking post about the fucking ecosystem.

I know. It just rarely mutates them without killing them, and mutations from such massive doses of radiation warp the DNA too much for it to code for a functioning organism.
that's ok, the survivors will turn out neat.

You did. My fucking post about the fucking ecosystem.

lol Burn.


Literally.

Sorry, most of us don't care about the opinions of folks with less than 1000 posts. :D
Wow. That's the most discriminatory thing i've heard all month. Congratulations on forcing me to go out and support the punching bag industry. All right, i'll get off my off topic-ness now.

Just because someone or some group of people who are smarter than you say something, that doesn't mean that it's true. :headbang:

But it is more likely to be true than the babbling of someone or some group that is less intelligent.

Particularly if the more intelligent people ACTUALLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT!

Wow. That's the most discriminatory thing i've heard all month. Congratulations on forcing me to go out and support the punching bag industry. All right, i'll get off my off topic-ness now.

You're gonna have to get used to the sarcasm 'round here. It's enjoyable once you get the hang of it.

You did. My fucking post about the fucking ecosystem.
if the ecosystem drastically changes humans can still survive. unlike animals we move around and use technology to adapt. when the last ice age ended thousands of northern hemisphere mammal species were wiped out but humans lived on. not to say we shouldn't preserve biodiversity, since there's still a lot of undiscovered medicines out there in the amazon.

Wow. That's the most discriminatory thing i've heard all month. Congratulations on forcing me to go out and support the punching bag industry. All right, i'll get off my off topic-ness now.

:D = sarcasm. It's a joke, son.

The only problem with that idea is that if we kill off everything then there's nothing left. Maybe you don't get that idea, so let's dumb it down a bit. First, there goes all your food one by one, no more hamburgers for you, as cows don't exist, they got killed off by a mutated strain of fly fighting for its own survival because its other prey was killed off. Sure, grain might work, for a while, but grain can't fix the nitrogen in the soil, and thus will also die off over time. Basically, we keep killing off animals, we're screwing ourselves.

wouldnt it be utter folly to kill all the pigs before you deal with the golden eagles?
without the pigs for food, the eagles will just concentrate on eating the remaining foxes.

Piggies taste good. Uuhh foxes? Never tasted so go and burn burn YOU DAMN FOX! Also as we take away a link in the food chain what they,its predators and those superpredators, will eat?--->Like Broken Myths said big trouble to furries

:D = sarcasm. It's a joke, son.
Just because you know more forms of humour doesnt mean youre funny! :D

on topic: "Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood"

if the ecosystem drastically changes humans can still survive. unlike animals we move around and use technology to adapt. when the last ice age ended thousands of northern hemisphere mammal species were wiped out but humans lived on. not to say we shouldn't preserve biodiversity, since there's still a lot of undiscovered medicines out there in the amazon.

The ice age didn't cover the whole planet. What's to say that we didn't run like hell for the southern regions?

The amazon is pretty well lost. Slash and burn is very rampet. Wish I could find that shuttle photo that somebody took. Fire dots were everywhere.......Afterall isn't man supposed to able to do what he wants to his land?

Maybe i'm just missing some incredibly important piece of information, but I really don't see why everyone cares so much about 100+ foxes! :headbang:

Sniff! ICK A troll.

The ice age didn't cover the whole planet. What's to say that we didn't run like hell for the southern regions?

i think the point is, we can always run like hell and use the tools we make, even if lots of animals around us drop dead. the end of the ice age killed countless species but humans could still live on. if the amazon, which does not cover the whole planet, is destroyed and countless species are wiped out, humans would probably still survive. humans as a species will probably weather any plausible ecosystem shifts. but i'm just clarifying the point, i'm not supporting actions that would make it necessary for us to run like hell. Certainly i don't want to see the amazon be destroyed.

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Is is okay to kill the pigs?
"Sterilization and contraception aren’t practical because the plan would fail if biologists miss only a few pigs — the fast-breeding pigs can rebound from a 70 percent population reduction in just one year, according to Galipeau."

The pigs escaped from ranches in the 1850s. Humans caused this mess. What to do?

Glock 20 with 6" barrel, loaded with 200-220 grain hardcast bullets, and a 2x-4x scope. Perhaps a .357 or .44 mag with said scope if you're of the wheelgun bent.

Fire and repeat, until enough gleaned to open BBQ shop. Sustain BBQ shop until source of food is gone. Retire.

Glock 20 with 6" barrel, loaded with 200-220 grain hardcast bullets, and a 2x-4x scope. Perhaps a .357 or .44 mag with said scope if you're of the wheelgun bent.

Fire and repeat, until enough gleaned to open BBQ shop. Sustain BBQ shop until source of food is gone. Retire.

It would last awhile. Sows are pretty much pregnant all the time......

Hmmm I LOVE bacon and those little foxes are damm cute...

It would last awhile. Sows are pretty much pregnant all the time......

Could retire rich, then. :D

Paco and PePe are lost in the desert...hot, tired, thirsty, starving...

[you have to put a thick Mexican accent on this joke; otherwise, it's not so funny]

"Paco! You smell that?" PePe exclaims.

Paco replies: "No PePe, I don't smell nothing..."

"Paco..eees bacon...I smell bacon! Don't chu smell that?" says PePe.

"No, PePe , I don't smell nothing..I think eees a meerage." says Paco.

"OOh, Paco, you done smell no meerage weeth your nose. Eees bacon, for shooore." says PePe.

They go over a hill..and there they see it: A TREE WITH BACON HANGING AND DRIPPING ALL OVER IT...CANADIAN BACON...SMOKED BACON.

"Ooh Paco...we're saved!" exclaims PePe...he runs toward the tree..

BLAM KABANG BLAMM BLAMM ... machine guns blare out, cutting PePe down just when he reaches the tree

PePe cries out: "Paco..no..stay back...eees not a bacon tree.....eees a ham buush!"

Hmmm I LOVE bacon and those little foxes are damm cute...

That's for damn sure.

And, truth be told, we prioritize the cute animals. Not that there is anything wrong with that .... :D

*snip*

Don't. Just don't.

Really.

Just for the record, I'd personally kill every chimp on the planet with my bare hands to save one street junkie with AIDS. A human life is worth infinitely more to me than that of any animal.

Glock 20 with 6" barrel, loaded with 200-220 grain hardcast bullets, and a 2x-4x scope. Perhaps a .357 or .44 mag with said scope if you're of the wheelgun bent.

Fire and repeat, until enough gleaned to open BBQ shop. Sustain BBQ shop until source of food is gone. Retire.

I suspect we'd run out of ammo before we ran out of bacon on the hoof... it's a big island.

PS: I want the Taurus "Raging Thirty". :D
http://www.taurususa.com/newsreviews/CH1203_000.cfm
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=30CSS10&category=Revolver

Save the Fox, great animal, kills stuff

Just for the record, I'd personally kill every chimp on the planet with my bare hands to save one street junkie with AIDS. A human life is worth infinitely more to me than that of any animal.

*Blinks*

Ahmm oooooookaayyyyyyyy

*Backs away slowly and runs when he MU isn't looking*

I suspect we'd run out of ammo before we ran out of bacon on the hoof... it's a big island.


Heh. Well, I do have a few hundred rounds of .357mag, 1000 rounds of .44mag (we can take the Marlin lever action, too), and about 1500 rounds of 10mm waiting to be utilized...we'd be able to carve a rather nice swath. At least a decent dent.


PS: I want the Taurus "Raging Thirty". :D
http://www.taurususa.com/newsreviews/CH1203_000.cfm
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=30CSS10&category=Revolver


Yeah, I've seen those. :)

I have a Total Titanium Tracker in .357mag (Raging Thirty's little bro'). The thing is SWEET! And it's lighter than the Glocks, with no polymer!

Heh. Well, I do have a few hundred rounds of .357mag, 1000 rounds of .44mag (we can take the Marlin lever action, too), and about 1500 rounds of 10mm waiting to be utilized...we'd be able to carve a rather nice swath. At least a decent dent.

Daaaaaamn. I've only got about half a case of .45 FMJ left...

Yeah, I've seen those. :)

I have a Total Titanium Tracker in .357mag (Raging Thirty's little bro'). The thing is SWEET! And it's lighter than the Glocks, with no polymer!

:cool: !!

I still don't like Glocks. Don't like loading the mags, don't like the feel, don't like the action. But they are accurate.

I just got a .50 cal muzzle loader today. Can't wait till the ammo comes.

I'd keep a fox as a pet.

I just got a .50 cal muzzle loader today. Can't wait till the ammo comes.

One of my dreams in life is to get into blackpowder and make all my own bullets... entirely from Mercedes SUVs. Finally put that metal to USE. :headbang:

(Note: I suppose ANY SUV would do, but I really have it in for the Mercedes one. Tell me someone is EVER taking it off-road.)

I'd keep a fox as a pet.

Kind of defeats the purpose... they're supposed to be wild...

i like bacon

Shoot the pigs, make bacon bits.

Kill the porkers I say. Feed the homeless with the healthier specimens. Wild Pig=Good stuff. I fail to see why they haven't been whacking the bloody swine for years now. I should however admit that practicly growing up in my father's Butcher Shop leaves my logic a little skewed. Where many people look at a pig, they see defenseless animal (its not that defenseless actually). When I look at a piig I think of back-ribs, tenderloins, bacon, chops, roasts etc. Food for hungry people and save an endangered species at the same time. Besides, those foxes are much cuter than wild-pigs. PETA gets money for cute lil' foxes, not fat smelly pigs.

Daaaaaamn. I've only got about half a case of .45 FMJ left...


Heh, if that impresses ya, I've got a good 8000 rounds of various calibers. Whee. When you reload, you start accumulating, for some reason.


:cool: !!

I still don't like Glocks. Don't like loading the mags, don't like the feel, don't like the action. But they are accurate.

The mags can be a pain to load--I have a special loader for those. I do love the grip, once a Hogue slip-on is in place--and I absolutely love the action. You literally can empty the mag in less than two seconds. But that's kind of a waste--you are nowhere near as accurate. ;)

One of my dreams in life is to get into blackpowder and make all my own bullets... entirely from Mercedes SUVs. Finally put that metal to USE. :headbang:

(Note: I suppose ANY SUV would do, but I really have it in for the Mercedes one. Tell me someone is EVER taking it off-road.)

It'd be much easier to melt lead in your garage than an SUV. :)

I've never been one for muzzleloaders. Too long between shots. I'm impatient.

It'd be much easier to melt lead in your garage than an SUV. :)

I've never been one for muzzleloaders. Too long between shots. I'm impatient.

Perhaps easier, but far less satisfying. :D

The idea:

1) Sell tickets to people who want to kill the pigs.
2) Allow them to use whatever way to kill the pigs.

The result:

1) The pigs get killed
2) Money


And SUVs are as useful as Ferraris... you can only really use them as targets.

And SUVs are as useful as Ferraris... you can only really use them as targets.

Yeah, but I see far fewer Ferraris here in New England...

People will also pay to see the little foxies(alive, of course). If the Golden Eagles aren't endangered and they aren't native to the area, blast them. Extinction caused by human action is bad for the environment. Natural extinction that isn't the result of humans tampering with the ecosystem is kinda good. We need the environment to live. People like foxes. The government payed to have wolves become extinct, but then stopped when it was learned that leaving the environment alone and fixing our f-ups are good for the earth. That and people would pay to see wolves living in a natural setting.

People will also pay to see the little foxies(alive, of course). If the Golden Eagles aren't endangered and they aren't native to the area, blast them. Extinction caused by human action is bad for the environment. Natural extinction that isn't the result of humans tampering with the ecosystem is kinda good. We need the environment to live. People like foxes. The government payed to have wolves become extinct, but then stopped when it was learned that leaving the environment alone and fixing our f-ups are good for the earth. That and people would pay to see wolves living in a natural setting.
From what I can tell the eagles have nothing to do with this. And for anybody that has seen one close up (I have, I'm sure not many have and By close up I mean like about a foot and a half) they will see it is a truely breathtaking sight. And to top it off they are a protected species.

EDIT: reread the article and found that eagles are invovled, but if you get rid o' the piggies it still solves the eagle problem. So let the eagles be and kill the fucking pigs

Kill the pigs by making a smear campaign about how they're the secret symbol of the Republican Party!

Tell the REpublicans that the pigs are a secret Democrat symbol and vice versa with the Democrats. Then tell Bush that the pigs are Bathist terrorists who worked with the Taliban and Satan and give him the authority to iradicate the pigs that are bothering the little foxies. Screw the animal rights activists. Shouldn't the foxes have a right to not be extinct? Shouldn't we fix our stupid mistakes? They didn't complain when we stopped killing wolves in mass numbers when wolves were native to the area and were needed for a healthy ecosystem by killing their prey to ensure healthy numbers. What makes saving the environment two animals at a time different?