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I am interested in identifying the most influential nations in NationStates. This poll does NOT, of course, include modified moderator nations.

By influential, I mean the most well-known, persuasive and active players in the game. They may come from any region of any type, and the orientation of the nation is not the issue (e.g, "evil" or "good" have no relevance in this poll.) The poll addresses activity level, participation in regional and interregional activities, and ability to affect regional and interregional politics.

Any candidates?

I wish I qualified :(

I am interested in identifying the most influential nations in NationStates. This poll does NOT, of course, include modified moderator nations.

By influential, I mean the most well-known, persuasive and active players in the game. They may come from any region of any type, and the orientation of the nation is not the issue (e.g, "evil" or "good" have no relevance in this poll.) The poll addresses activity level, participation in regional and interregional activities, and ability to affect regional and interregional politics.

Any candidates?

Within the game itself. I'd say the delegate of the North Pacific (can't remember his name), as it's the largest region in the game. I hear that the North Pacific is pretty active in invading/defending too.

There are several well-connected nations in the game. It would be hard to select one, so I will offer three:

Pope Hope
Grub
General T Franks (just one of many identities)

Well, different players run in different circles.

For example, Automagfreak (AMF) is one of the most influential players in International Incidents.

AMF has chosen to play almost exclusivly in II and has developed quite a reputation there for incredible stories.

Over here in General, we have people like FairyTInkArisen (currently 3rd incarnation), Lunatic Goofballs, Saderijii (sorry for the mis-spelling), Colodia, and several others.

I don't actually even play the game.

I just sit about here in general.

It's hard for people to invade my country when I don't even show up on the radar.

I don't think I have even answered one of the issues in a month.

No one has influence, they just think they do.


You are all controlled by Myrth. (aka Max Barry)




oops I wasn't supposed to share that little secret.

I am interested in identifying the most influential nations in NationStates. This poll does NOT, of course, include modified moderator nations.

By influential, I mean the most well-known, persuasive and active players in the game. They may come from any region of any type, and the orientation of the nation is not the issue (e.g, "evil" or "good" have no relevance in this poll.) The poll addresses activity level, participation in regional and interregional activities, and ability to affect regional and interregional politics.

Any candidates?

I don't really think regional influence is a good sole indicator of status as "most powerful". There are lots of level of interaction in NS, and so many dynamics between them. One can play via UN, region, forum, just nation to nation (sort of a limited regional play), and how much one invests in one can have a large effect on another. I mean, those who peruse the NS forum a lot likely do not have as strong of ties regional ties. Likewise, those that spend time on off-site forums or telegramming and endorsement swapping more of the time are likely to have less say on the NS General forum. I think it's worthwhile to try to say who's the most powerful region-wise, or forum-wise, or UN proposal-wise. But trying to combine the three is entirely subjective.

I think there've been enough forum threads about "most x" General poster for me to speculate on who has the most forum prowess. But, I think regionally one would have to look at the large networks of regions. I'd say either a) Pope Hope of the ADN or b) gates the god of Gatesville (and the Union of Sovereigns) wield the most regiona lpower--through their organizations and large regions. UN proposal-wise? That's hard to say, as most proposal decisions--I feel--are made behind closed doors, and benefactors remain mostly unknown.

So, yeah. Most influential general forum personality is whoever got voted that here, regional personality is pope hope or gates the god, and UN proposal is the cigarette smoking man, or whoever else calls the shots. For other forums, I have no clue

Well, different players run in different circles.

For example, Automagfreak (AMF) is one of the most influential players in International Incidents.

AMF has chosen to play almost exclusivly in II and has developed quite a reputation there for incredible stories.

Over here in General, we have people like FairyTInkArisen (currently 3rd incarnation), Lunatic Goofballs, Saderijii (sorry for the mis-spelling), Colodia, and several others.

I don't really think that anyone, including myself, would consider me "influential". My post count is simply a testament to my longevity on this site, and nothing more. People don't stop disagreeing with me in debates because of who I am, nor do people new to the site automatically show me respect simply because I have a lot of posts (excepting really annoying brown-nosing newbies).

People I would consider "influential" would be people that have directly affected the experience on NationStates of multitudes of players. People such as Francos Spain, who directly affected hundreds, if not thousands, of NSers and indirectly affected thousands more, would be "influential" in my book. People like Goobergunchia, The Basenji, or Euroslavia, whose influence can be seen in Moderation, are "influential". The moderators are "influential". Even Erastide, by maintaining the very visible threads about the player pics and player profiles, could be considered "influential".

It's really dependent on the forum that any particular person frequents.

I don't really think that anyone, including myself, would consider me "influential". My post count is simply a testament to my longevity on this site, and nothing more. People don't stop disagreeing with me in debates because of who I am, nor do people new to the site automatically show me respect simply because I have a lot of posts (excepting really annoying brown-nosing newbies).

People I would consider "influential" would be people that have directly affected the experience on NationStates of multitudes of players. People such as Francos Spain, who directly affected hundreds, if not thousands, of NSers and indirectly affected thousands more, would be "influential" in my book. People like Goobergunchia, The Basenji, or Euroslavia, whose influence can be seen in Moderation, are "influential". The moderators are "influential". Even Erastide, by maintaining the very visible threads about the player pics and player profiles, could be considered "influential".

It's really dependent on the forum that any particular person frequents.
*swoons over your post count*

What did Francos Spain do?

What did Francos Spain do?

Ruled the Pacific with an iron fist for over a year, I believe. He spawned numerous groups dedicated to his ouster.

What did Francos Spain do?


He was the delegate of The Pacific for a long time, if i'm not mistaken.

Very famous guy. I think ns wiki has an article on him.

Ruled the Pacific with an iron fist for over a year, I believe. He spawned numerous groups dedicated to his ouster.

Thats impressive, how did he do that.

Thats impressive, how did he do that.

He booted any opposition to his rule.

He booted any opposition to his rule.

You can just do that? Why would anyone stay?

You can just do that? Why would anyone stay?

Technically, yes, you can do that. There is nothing in the rules that states you cannot; just as long as your are not booting natives.

Why would anyone stay? Who knows......fear perhaps. He held control over a large region, and a lot of people with mixed ideals were attracted to him. He was like a dictator, so many were attracted to him. Also, many befriended him to try and overthrow him.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380405

Yet here I still am.

I think at this point it is quite obvious that I am Max Barry, and rule the forums. ;)

I think outside of the Feeder Delegates, that the Powerhungry Chipmunks are among one of the most influential nations in NationStates.

Two resolutions adopted.
Two repeals.

The Powerhungry Chipmunks also have been active in a number of other resolution campaigns *and* seem to be widely respected in the UN forums. I know I happen to respect them. :)

Technically, yes, you can do that. There is nothing in the rules that states you cannot; just as long as your are not booting natives.

What are natives?

Why would anyone stay? Who knows......fear perhaps. He held control over a large region, and a lot of people with mixed ideals were attracted to him. He was like a dictator, so many were attracted to him. Also, many befriended him to try and overthrow him.

Is there some mechanic in the game that allows for this sort of diplomacy, or is it all just role play? And how would he have been oustered, and why was he not.

I just read through NSWiki with the stuff about the "August Revolution" and invasions and such, and I must say that I am a little astonished.

I must state, we all have different ideals of what or who is considered influential. I think this thread would need to narrow it's definition of what is considered influential, because as it stands, it's too broad of a definition.

For instance, the only people I would view as influential in NS are those who go beyond the game and touch the lives of many people in RL rather then just a game. To me......that is inflential.

To someone else, it is who says the most. Yet, to others, it might be who RP's good; defends/invades well; held rule over a region the longest; caused the most trouble. You understand my point.

What are natives?

Is there some mechanic in the game that allows for this sort of diplomacy, or is it all just role play? And how would he have been oustered, and why was he not.

I just read through NSWiki with the stuff about the "August Revolution" and invasions and such, and I must say that I am a little astonished.

Defending/Invading........NS's darker side. ;)

If you want to know more, just contact my nation. I don't want to spam this thread any longer.

Defending/Invading........NS's darker side. ;)

If you want to know more, just contact my nation. I don't want to spam this thread any longer.

I'll TG you, respond if you get time. It isn't really that important, I am really just amazed at how in depth all of this gets.

You can just do that? Why would anyone stay?

Because old-timers like myself and Sdaeriji like to keep you younguns in line, lest we barrage you with "Back in my day" stories.

I'm here primarily because I'd be bored otherwise.

I think outside of the Feeder Delegates, that the Powerhungry Chipmunks are among one of the most influential nations in NationStates.

Two resolutions adopted.
Two repeals.

The Powerhungry Chipmunks also have been active in a number of other resolution campaigns *and* seem to be widely respected in the UN forums. I know I happen to respect them. :)

But that is simply your personal perception speaking. As a non-UN member, Mr. Chipmunks' accomplishments are meaningless to me, and as such, he's had very little influence on my experience, along with the thousands of other non-UN members.

But that is simply your personal perception speaking. As a non-UN member, Mr. Chipmunks' accomplishments are meaningless to me, and as such, he's had very little influence on my experience, along with the thousands of other non-UN members.

Agreed completely. Honesly, I have no idea who Mr. Chipmunk is, so I would not be able to consider him influntial at all.

I must state, we all have different ideals of what or who is considered influential. I think this thread would need to narrow it's definition of what is considered influential, because as it stands, it's too broad of a definition.

For instance, the only people I would view as influential in NS are those who go beyond the game and touch the lives of many people in RL rather then just a game. To me......that is inflential.

To someone else, it is who says the most. Yet, to others, it might be who RP's good; defends/invades well; held rule over a region the longest; caused the most trouble. You understand my point.

*touches DFD*

;)

*touches DFD*

;)


Am I supposed to yell or smile? ;) And that will cost you fifty eight dollars and ninty six cents. Thank you Sdaeriji; have a nice day!

:D

Am I supposed to yell or smile? ;) And that will cost you fifty eight dollars and ninty six cents. Thank you Sdaeriji; have a nice day!

:D
Dony uoi mean sixty nine cents ;) LOL

Am I supposed to yell or smile? ;) And that will cost you fifty eight dollars and ninty six cents. Thank you Sdaeriji; have a nice day!

:D

Ideally, you would touch me back.

$58.96? You having a sale?

:D

Ideally, you would touch me back.

$58.96? You having a sale?

:D


Sale! That's full price! Sale price is 5 dolla! Geez, men thinking they are getting discounts all the time.

;)

Well, different players run in different circles.

For example, Automagfreak (AMF) is one of the most influential players in International Incidents.

AMF has chosen to play almost exclusivly in II and has developed quite a reputation there for incredible stories.



Thanks for the mention. :)

Am I supposed to yell or smile? ;) And that will cost you fifty eight dollars and ninty six cents. Thank you Sdaeriji; have a nice day!

:D

*Reaches through the computer, slaps DFD around abit with a large, smelly trout*

That one was on the house ;)

does anyone know the link to that huge moderation thread about Corinthe's attempt to take over the Pacific from Francos Spain?

Most Influential Nation in NationStates: Myself, Imperial Dark Rome. I influence myself, so I picked myself.

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

does anyone know the link to that huge moderation thread about Corinthe's attempt to take over the Pacific from Francos Spain?Is this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=279723) what you're looking for?
I am interested in identifying the most influential nations in NationStates. This poll does NOT, of course, include modified moderator nations.Most influential in the game and who are not or who were not mods: Ommastrephes, Pope Hope, Quaalochoura, Goobergunchia, Ballotonia, Francos Spain, 1 Infinite Loop, Nusseburg, and Automagfreek would be my nominations.

DemonLordEnigma. hands down

Neo-Anarchists. Very active in General, Moderation and the UN as I can see. She has consistently been making this a nicer place for all of us.

TInk and Neo Anarchists.
And of course me! :eek:
Plus Euroslavia.

Well, different players run in different circles.

For example, Automagfreak (AMF) is one of the most influential players in International Incidents.

AMF has chosen to play almost exclusivly in II and has developed quite a reputation there for incredible stories.

Over here in General, we have people like FairyTInkArisen (currently 3rd incarnation), Lunatic Goofballs, Saderijii (sorry for the mis-spelling), Colodia, and several others.
only second incarnation thank you very much! but thanks for the mention :fluffle:

only second incarnation thank you very much! but thanks for the mention :fluffle:
I was gonna ask you about that expect a TG sometime! :eek:

I was gonna ask you about that expect a TG sometime! :eek:
ask me about what?

ask me about what?
Then what would be the point of the TG?

Then what would be the point of the TG?
lol, good point

I don't know who the most influential nation on NS is, I just know it's not me (although I intend to change that ;))

This ought to be a poll.

Agreed completely. Honesly, I have no idea who Mr. Chipmunk is, so I would not be able to consider him influntial at all.

Ah, but you see ... many of us in the UN forum and International Incidents forum have not been influenced by many of the players who regularly post here.

The answer is honestly "it depends".

But if you consider that UN members have had their nations shifted by his UN resolutions more than anybody else's, that is significant. I'd also argue that the nations that have daily issues have had an impact on the game.

The key here is separating the game from the forum based interactions we have.

Is this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=279723) what you're looking for?
Thanks, that's the one.

Are you looking for influential nations that still exist? If not, look here: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Historic_Nations

Ah, but you see ... many of us in the UN forum and International Incidents forum have not been influenced by many of the players who regularly post here.

The answer is honestly "it depends".

But if you consider that UN members have had their nations shifted by his UN resolutions more than anybody else's, that is significant. I'd also argue that the nations that have daily issues have had an impact on the game.

The key here is separating the game from the forum based interactions we have.You make a good point. I'll have to amend my list to include Powerhungry Chipmunks and Frigben, who was the author of (count 'em) FOUR issues.

Then that makes the selection more obvious. Although I gag on saying it, 1 Infinite Loop is the most influential NS'er. Here are my reasons:

1. He was part of the Farkers, an invasion group that made Max create region control and founders.

2. He then became delegate of The East Pacific and has held the delegacy since he took it in 2003 by ejecting anyone who challenged him by accumulating endorsements.

3. He's made flags for many nations.

4. He's had two issues accepted.

I don't know if he's submitted any UN resolutions that passed and am too unmotivated to do the research. Anyone know? Loop?

You make a good point. I'll have to amend my list to include Powerhungry Chipmunks and Frigben, who was the author of (count 'em) FOUR issues.

Then that makes the selection more obvious. Although I gag on saying it, 1 Infinite Loop is the most influential NS'er. Here are my reasons:

1. He was part of the Farkers, an invasion group that made Max create region control and founders.

2. He then became delegate of The East Pacific and has held the delegacy since he took it in 2003 by ejecting anyone who challenged him by accumulating endorsements.

3. He's made flags for many nations.

4. He's had two issues accepted.

I don't know if he's submitted any UN resolutions that passed and am too unmotivated to do the research. Anyone know? Loop?

Loop has not had any UN resolutions reach quorum, but he has submitted proposals.

http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/Ressummary.pdf

I'll update this tonight to include the most recent "Defining Diplomat Immunity" results, and get the PS.pdf up there as well (which will give Fris his time in the spotlight).

That said, Loop still plays an extremely vital function in UN affairs. The most recent resolution failed by a margin of 300 or so votes. Yes the difference was 600+, but 300 nations that voted no had voted yes instead, the resolution would nearly have passed. Loop controls enough votes that his decision could change the outcome of some resolutions.

His flag making FAQ is still around, and my region recently turned to Loop's advice on flags when we had a player sporting a Nazi flag come by.

He has those two issues, something few players have accomplished (excepting moderators, they have a back door for issue submission that seems to work well enough).

He does weigh in to Technical and Moderation decisions, and remains active in most aspects of the game.

On a personal note, I like what he said on mIRC not long ago ... the point behind the game (to him) was to interact with people and discover who they are. He seemed to indicate that the best discussions are when people slowly reveal a bit about themselves.

In short, he is somebody I've certainly enjoyed playing NationStates with and I do consider him the most influential nation from my POV.

The most resolutions __adopted__:
Powerhungry Chipmunks x4
Mikitivity x3 (co-authored x2 more, has name hidden in x2 more resolutions) ;)

The Global Market has 4 resolutions reach the floor, but three of them failed, but I still think that the Global Market has shown that he / she knew how to work NationStates. If GM were still around when PC and myself came around, there is no doubt in my mind that GM would have passed us up.

NOTE: Having chatted with PC, I'm positive that neither of us is in a rush or trying to pack the UN with bills. That is why I spend most of my time writing things for others these days and campaigning for others. PC does the same, and many a resolution has reached the floor when he offered to teach a newbie how to telegram.

All that said, I think there is "soft" and "hard" influence. PC and I have never commanded many votes. In fact, I've never been a UN Delegate (too much work for that right now). :) I'd argue we have "soft" influence, in that we are very active in setting the agenda of the UN and the tone of many of the discussions. There are a number of other players that do the same ... but I just want to downplay "soft" influence a bit.

"Hard" influence are the players that come into the picture when votes matter. These tend to be the delegates from larger regions (including places like Gatesville). I certainly have counted on support from the feeders and larger regions. In fact, I like how I've been able to bring some "moderate" / "centrist" resolutions to the UN and get liberals and conservatives agree. Many other players have done the same thing.

I guess the bottom line is that there are many aspects of NationStates play. UN activism is one of many, and looking back on my experiences I think Loop is still extremely influencial in the UN. But I also think the Chipmunks have raised the level of quality of resolutions. I respect them both.

TInk and Neo Anarchists.
And of course me! :eek:
Plus Euroslavia.
tink. so much so that it would not be unreasonable to change the name of the general forum to "TINK'S general forum".

No one has influence, they just think they do.


You are all controlled by Myrth. (aka Max Barry)




oops I wasn't supposed to share that little secret.

Then, in my case, Myrth has a lot o 'splainin to do! :D

Then, in my case, Myrth has a lot o 'splainin to do! :D


Or he'll just censor me with extreme severity :D

Ah, but you see ... many of us in the UN forum and International Incidents forum have not been influenced by many of the players who regularly post here.

The answer is honestly "it depends".

But if you consider that UN members have had their nations shifted by his UN resolutions more than anybody else's, that is significant. I'd also argue that the nations that have daily issues have had an impact on the game.

The key here is separating the game from the forum based interactions we have.


I rarely ever post in General. On the forums, I am a role player. In the game, I'm an Iron Fist Dominatrix Dictator (wait......that's RL). ;) That or I am ruining invader's play time.

And as you say "it depends" ....... very true; that is what I have said. It all depends on your perception of what influential is.

Hmmm.....you should try defending/invading......oye, have to change your UN nation constantly and monitor the countless regions of NS. It only appears so easy, but damn, it can get brutal. I think a lot of people hate me just because I've taken over defending after Dante died. I know I have my buddies......I'm so loved! *cough*

Well, I will conclude my rant with the point that I have been trying to make all along.........that to determine the most influential person in NS is practically impossible just because of the countless aspects of this game.

tink. so much so that it would not be unreasonable to change the name of the general forum to "TINK'S general forum".
lol :p I wouldn't have any problems with that :D

You all have made valid points regarding the definition of "influential," as used in this thread. How about we do it this way:

1. Most Influential Forum Contributer (all categories)
2. Most Influential in UN Matters (issues, voting blocks, etc.)
3. Most Influential in Interregional Affairs (politics, raiding and defending, etc.)

I plan on adding these nations to a poll after receiving nominations. It would be easier if you telegram my nation with your candidates for each category you choose to address.

I think my nation goes down as the least influential. I tried to make it completely isolationist: No foreigners, no international aid, no official contact with the outside world, and corporations get fines for doing business with outsiders. I succeeded in making a xenophobic and paranoid society. Now my whole economy's imploded, I guess that's what I get.

You make a good point. I'll have to amend my list to include Powerhungry Chipmunks and Frigben, who was the author of (count 'em) FOUR issues.

Then that makes the selection more obvious. Although I gag on saying it, 1 Infinite Loop is the most influential NS'er. Here are my reasons:

1. He was part of the Farkers, an invasion group that made Max create region control and founders.

2. He then became delegate of The East Pacific and has held the delegacy since he took it in 2003 by ejecting anyone who challenged him by accumulating endorsements.

3. He's made flags for many nations.

4. He's had two issues accepted.

I don't know if he's submitted any UN resolutions that passed and am too unmotivated to do the research. Anyone know? Loop?


I hear rumor he was also once a delagate of one of the other pacifics. Is this true?

I used to have a lot of sway here in General but that was long time ago

I'm about as influential as horse manure.

It's Kanabia for me. He inspired me to go random. Then I excelled and became better than him. :D

I'm about as influential as horse manure.

It's Kanabia for me. He inspired me to go random. Then I excelled and became better than him. :D
Random is a good thing.
http://img183.echo.cx/img183/7863/random2bd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

She's loud, proud, and a comrade spy and Fascist region destroyer, meet Christina! Don't really know her nation, just her reputation.

Mikivity thanks for the kind words, I remember when the Issues we have now beyond the first 30 were just that issues suggestion thread I started, that was fun all the new issue ideas popping up and eventually seeing them in game,

Branin, I was not delegate of another Pacific, my first delegacy was when we invaded Germany to depose the nazi there, I went into a lesser role in missions until I "Retired" from invading and settled,

I have submitted a few resolutions and have them here on my other computer, I had planned to resubmit a few of them, who knows they may make it now.


again I thank you for the kind words, they make an old Loop feel good.

You all have made valid points regarding the definition of "influential," as used in this thread. How about we do it this way:

1. Most Influential Forum Contributer (all categories)
2. Most Influential in UN Matters (issues, voting blocks, etc.)
3. Most Influential in Interregional Affairs (politics, raiding and defending, etc.)

I plan on adding these nations to a poll after receiving nominations. It would be easier if you telegram my nation with your candidates for each category you choose to address.

BUMP

Mikivity thanks for the kind words, I remember when the Issues we have now beyond the first 30 were just that issues suggestion thread I started, that was fun all the new issue ideas popping up and eventually seeing them in game,

Branin, I was not delegate of another Pacific, my first delegacy was when we invaded Germany to depose the nazi there, I went into a lesser role in missions until I "Retired" from invading and settled,

I have submitted a few resolutions and have them here on my other computer, I had planned to resubmit a few of them, who knows they may make it now.


again I thank you for the kind words, they make an old Loop feel good.

Damn, you are old...you old fogey of a nation :P

No one has influence, they just think they do.


You are all controlled by Myrth. (aka Max Barry)




oops I wasn't supposed to share that little secret.

Not a secret. Myrth is to be worshipped on a regular basis. I know I do! :D

I used to have a lot of sway here in General but that was long time ago


Hahaha, Ditto!