NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes it true, I live in a Labour heartland and, if I could, would vote Tory. Its a problem I've discovered when someone asked who would you vote for, I would be better respected if I said
"stuff that I hate politics, on poling day I will be engaged in my favourite hobby, eating kittens"
If I was a communist people think, aah he's taken an interest in politics, but no they think, oooh what greasy little tick. WHY!

I'm sure all you left wingers will says its perfectly justifiable so here is this post. Take a pop at the Tories and I'll try to err, put your mind at ease. Blaze away.

From my position in the states, Labour and Tories don't seem to be all that different...but of course, it could just be the distance. A lot of Europeans don't see all that much of a difference between the Dems and Repubs. So, who knows...

No matter, vote for whom you feel is correct. If someone looks down on you for having different views from them, they aren't worthy of your company.

its less that we dont see the difference, its more that we dont care, despite what americans think....

I'm voting SSP, go Harvey Duke!!

Rule thumb of thumb, disscuss everything with friend except religion and politics. I'm used to it, it doesn't effect me and besides I don't disscuss politics all the time. Thank you for the support anyway.

Ah, but you are petrified of those damn immigrants coming over here and plluting our supposedly 'pure' British heritage?

lol dont know if you were talking to me, I think not but I'm just going to stick my proverbial oar in anyway. We do have a very proud heritage and it should be preserved but immigrants wont stop us remembering who we are, they'll just add to the rich tapestry of our country. In Britain we are tolerant of our immigrants....

The more the merrier i say lol

Ah, but you are petrified of those damn immigrants coming over here and plluting our supposedly 'pure' British heritage?

At last some one to argue with
*cracks knuckles*

The conservative party is, and has been for a very long time, a pro-immigartion party. Enoch Powell was thrown out of government in the 60s for being too anti-immigaration. We are convervatives we are not the KKK.

However any increase in population, however it occurs, is a burden at first on health care and on housing, and in public services in general, it is there for practical that economic migrants do not enter Britain at a rate that Britain cannot intergrate them.

someone, else, go on,
the miners strike
The Falklands,
black wednesday

come on, some body, please..

I don't see how the sums add up for the Torys "savings". A lot of the stuff they're talking about has already been earmarked for cutting anyway.
I'm not keen on the slightly stronger immigration policy. Setting quotas means that some poor fool qualifies but is just not quite early enough to get in.
I don't see immigrants and asylum seekers causing that much of a problem. No really.
But the real bottom line is I don't trust howard on health. They dismantled the NHS in the 80's (wife works for them so I know this to be true) and cut nurses pay (in real terms). They are pro private sector even though the private hospitals use doctors trained in and by the NHS. I've got no problem with private hospitals but NHS should be first in all things and giving vouchers so the wealthy can have faster service and pay LESS for it is obscene.

Still wont vot Tony though :)

what about
NHS, education, immigration, environment, war, International relations, national secrurity, economy, europe, the stockport metro system, railways, airlines, oil, the channel tunnel, the euro, the pound, racism (incited by tories) , "political correctness" (incited by tories), aid, student fees, xenophobes, police, fear of crime (incited by tories), motorways, polution, social welfare, equality, defence budget, Religion, holidays, workers rights, human rights (the tories want to abolish it), tertiary jobs, Ireland, Iraq, America, and some more stuff.

Im sure many people would like all of these answered.

Well I'll try to explain. At the moment, possibly to do with immigration I grant that, the tories are pro-immigartaion I'll say again its just that the current system incourages breaking the law, the British economy is growing ( a trend I might add that began with John Major) , meaning we are in a more prosperious possition in the world, the governmnet simply has more money to spend. This means that the government can incrrease the money spent each year at the moment by 5%. The conservatives will increase by only 4% and that is how in the future we will cut tax without cutting money to public services by by the fact the government will use take money over time as the money in Britain increases.

why are your propaganda posters so insulting
why did thatcher close the mines?
what about tories and the IRA

1)I can't imagine how they could be

2) The miners striked, Thatcher didn't make them do that. They were unprofitable and now one wanted to buy them. If a russian worker will mine coal at a fifth of the wage then British miners must either work five times as hard or five times as long. If they can't then thats buisness. Its not the goverments job molly coddles industry that shouldn't be publically owned in the first place.

3) Under the troies the irish stopped blowing up shopping centres, what more do you want?

From my position in the states, Labour and Tories don't seem to be all that different...
You're right.

Well I'll try to explain. At the moment, possibly to do with immigration I grant that, the tories are pro-immigartaion I'll say again its just that the current system incourages breaking the law, the British economy is growing ( a trend I might add that began with John Major) , meaning we are in a more prosperious possition in the world, the governmnet simply has more money to spend. This means that the government can incrrease the money spent each year at the moment by 5%. The conservatives will increase by only 4% and that is how in the future we will cut tax without cutting money to public services by by the fact the government will use take money over time as the money in Britain increases.
I'm sorry that doesn't cut it.
first the sums quoted are accumulative. meaning 5m this year 5m next is 10m.
5m in the 3rd year counts as 15m plus the original 10m. woo hoo 25m spent/saved.
they ALL do it. the numbers are a fix.
putting that aside i don't want you to cut taxes. I want you to increase spending on public services.I want my wife to earn a living wage for the huge number of hours she puts in.
And I want less involvement in the private hospital sector not more.

Oh and I'd like the Euro some time before I die.

NHS, education, immigration, environment, war, International relations, national secrurity, economy, europe, the stockport metro system, railways, airlines, oil, the channel tunnel, the euro, the pound, racism (incited by tories) , "political correctness" (incited by tories), aid, student fees, xenophobes, police, fear of crime (incited by tories), motorways, polution and some more stuff.

All of things are important, many of them are not question, their not even rhetorical ones. I can't say the Tories were never racist but considering the party has existed longer then pracitcally anyother in history( the phrase Tory was first used for supporters of the house of Stuart) its not suprising. They are not now. Political correctness can be a pain, anyone who has been snubbed for ordering black coffee can vouch for that, and surly you cannot sugguest that the Tories "invented" violent crime, dening it helps no one.

Please do my NHS questions. Go on. Please.
It's one of those difficult to defend thing isn't it?
Sort of lining the pockets of those who are wealthy enough to pay for private health care, boosting the private sector and reducing funding the the NHS.

Oh and creating a blind over MRSA which as I'm sure you know was not dealt with efficiently by the last Tory govt. (unlike the Dutch and Belgiums) and thus is out of hand as it is in the US and Japan.
And bringing back sisters? Tony already did that and it suggests that it's all the fault of the nurses and not the private cleaning contracts brought in by the Torys. Also MRSA is endemic in the population and is introduced by visitors and not "grown" in dirty wards. ARGhhhhh.!

Yes it true, I live in a Labour heartland and, if I could, would vote Tory. Its a problem I've discovered when someone asked who would you vote for, I would be better respected if I said
"stuff that I hate politics, on poling day I will be engaged in my favourite hobby, eating kittens"
If I was a communist people think, aah he's taken an interest in politics, but no they think, oooh what greasy little tick. WHY!

I'm sure all you left wingers will says its perfectly justifiable so here is this post. Take a pop at the Tories and I'll try to err, put your mind at ease. Blaze away.

Coughmaggiecough

are the tories going to include the IRA in their war on terrorism?

someone, else, go on,
the miners strike
The Falklands,
black wednesday

come on, some body, please..

You can get away with all of that, but just you try to justify taking free milk.

I'm sorry that doesn't cut it.
first the sums quoted are accumulative. meaning 5m this year 5m next is 10m.
5m in the 3rd year counts as 15m plus the original 10m. woo hoo 25m spent/saved.
they ALL do it. the numbers are a fix.
putting that aside i don't want you to cut taxes. I want you to increase spending on public services.I want my wife to earn a living wage for the huge number of hours she puts in.
And I want less involvement in the private hospital sector not more.

Oh and I'd like the Euro some time before I die.

I can't coment on your wife, does she do a job that others can't or won't do?, besides if shes in trouble she should form a union. It is her right after all. and for hospitals I will try to explain.

Labour
Private: I Hospital treatment
NHS: IIIIIIIII Hospital treatment

just guessing not real figures I thought this might help. 1 in 10 can afford a hip replacement. So 9 people have NHS government. Each op costs hundred pounds and an NHS and Private op use different facilties so can can happen at the same time (more or less) In this example it ciots the government £900 pounds and takes 9 units of time.

Conservative.
Private: III Hospital treatment
NHS: IIIIIII Hospital treatment

Under this example more people can afford to go private as half is subsidised. So each private paitent costs the NHS £50. Cost total (NHS) £850 total units of time 7. Just an example but I hope it gives an idea. everybody's a winner!

Oh and the euro isn't working in Europe and I think a trip to boots to change your currency before you go to Ibiza is a small price for keeping contro of the sterling with the bank of England.

I'm the Conservative Candidate for our School (Secondary Grammar School, I'm in the 6th Form).

I'm finding the whole process highly enjoyable, I'm friends with all the other candidates - and we're running a very clean campaign. With the Polls that are being taken within School, the Conservative Party have a comfortable majority - but I'm not sitting back on my laurels until the 5th!

Tories, Labour, Lib-Dems - they're all sides of the same coin; the three-sided coin named death...

Please do my NHS questions. Go on. Please.
It's one of those difficult to defend thing isn't it?
Sort of lining the pockets of those who are wealthy enough to pay for private health care, boosting the private sector and reducing funding the the NHS.

Oh and creating a blind over MRSA which as I'm sure you know was not dealt with efficiently by the last Tory govt. (unlike the Dutch and Belgiums) and thus is out of hand as it is in the US and Japan.
And bringing back sisters? Tony already did that and it suggests that it's all the fault of the nurses and not the private cleaning contracts brought in by the Torys. Also MRSA is endemic in the population and is introduced by visitors and not "grown" in dirty wards. ARGhhhhh.!

Okay I accept that however MRSA is a danger to the public and dirty hospitals are the greatest source of death by it, the fact remains that by defination paitents in hospitals are sick. The families of the 5,000 or so paitents killed by MRSA. Perhaps it is true that enough was not done under the Tories where in power, then it was a very small problem now it is much more serious and over the past two governments the LAbour party has done nothing to prevent, all talk no action

Oh! I just remembered something for you, you Tory word missing.

Right, this is something on a local level. My constituency is a tory one. A while ago, Blair announced that he wanted a law to make it compulsory for all school pupils to have access to free transport to the closest 3 public schools ( might not be 3, can't exactly remember). Anyway, shortly after the word missing tories who run my constituency decided to make a point by making it in our area, while they could, that no-one would have free transport to any school that wasn't the closest. The result of this was that when my younger sister got a place at the school where I am, we couldn't get free transport on the coach that already ran there and had seats free, like I do, we have to pay. They said they would have provided free transport to the nearest school, even though that would mean making a completly new bus just for one person!!! That is an example of how you lot don't care about society, you just want to make a point and stand up to Labour.

I'm the Conservative Candidate for our School (Secondary Grammar School, I'm in the 6th Form).

I'm finding the whole process highly enjoyable, I'm friends with all the other candidates - and we're running a very clean campaign. With the Polls that are being taken within School, the Conservative Party have a comfortable majority - but I'm not sitting back on my laurels until the 5th!

good for you, I suppose you were helped by the fact Labour and Libdems want to abolish grammer schools eh!

Oh! I just remembered something for you, you Tory word missing.

Right, this is something on a local level. My constituency is a tory one. A while ago, Blair announced that he wanted a law to make it compulsory for all school pupils to have access to free transport to the closest 3 public schools ( might not be 3, can't exactly remember). Anyway, shortly after the word missing tories who run my constituency decided to make a point by making it in our area, while they could, that no-one would have free transport to any school that wasn't the closest. The result of this was that when my younger sister got a place at the school where I am, we couldn't get free transport on the coach that already ran there and had seats free, like I do, we have to pay. They said they would have provided free transport to the nearest school, even though that would mean making a completly new bus just for one person!!! That is an example of how you lot don't care about society, you just want to make a point and stand up to Labour.

I'm soory providing a bus service is a job for private industry not the government and sending your sister on a bus by her self is simply uneconomical and Most Tories would agree with you. It was the Torys who allowed people to select their schools anyway. I go to a school on the other side of town and I have to pay, its not free in sheffield, for anybody, in one of the poorest areas in Britain.

I'm soory providing a bus service is a job for private industry not the government and sending your sister on a bus by her self is simply uneconomical and Most Tories would agree with you. It was the Torys who allowed people to select their schools anyway. I go to a school on the other side of town and I have to pay, its not free in sheffield, for anybody, in one of the poorest areas in Britain.

So wouldn't you rather that it was free? Why should a school bus service be a private rather than public service?

It was the Torys who allowed people to select their schools anyway.

Yeah, cos you believe in running schools like businesses where the best get better and better while the rest all suffer. Bloody elitism.

Because its not like people can't afford a bus ticket, their not expensive and their subsidised for students and school children anyway. It would be unnessary public expenditure. THe money could be spent on police or education itself or a whole raft of things.

good for you, I suppose you were helped by the fact Labour and Libdems want to abolish grammer schools eh!

Now Grammer Schools. Another good one.
I was deemed too stupid to go to grammer school at age 11.
I went to a sink school and struggled to get 3 o levels because the teaching was so bad and half the kids didn't want to learn.
OK you may say I'm stupid so thats fine but it doesn't explain my Bsc in computer science which I got through the Open University.
Which I completed whilst holding down a full time job and which I paid every penny for myself.
My conclusion, for the vast majority grammer schools are EVIL.

Oh and my wife is a staff nurse (deputy ward manager) and her pay is still shit. She can get more working for Woolworths but has too much moral fibre to do it.
And you sums are too simple to work. Money that goes to private hospitals does not go to NHS hospitals thus impovishing them even more.

And I like the euro. It makes busines with europe cheaper.

Because its not like people can't afford a bus ticket, their not expensive and their subsidised for students and school children anyway. It would be unnessary public expenditure. THe money could be spent on police or education itself or a whole raft of things.

We could spend the money on both. All we need is a few more tiers on the tax rates. Ah, 95% at the top again I say.

Yeah, cos you believe in running schools like businesses where the best get better and better while the rest all suffer. Bloody elitism.

Yes i do. Under the current system everybody goes to a comprehensive. Whether you like it or not comprehensives in rough areas cannot get the same quality of staff or parental support as schools in prosperious areas. This means the standard of education depends entirly on where you are born. This is unfair and the reason I have to traipse across town to get to school. The Torys would not introduce secondry moderns but they would grammer schools. IT may not be perfect it may be elitist but its a darn sight fairer then are cuurent system. Besides can you explain why under a conservative government others would suffer exactly?

I go to a school on the other side of town .
Wait. Sorry. You're a teacher right?
It's rude I know but could you tell us your age please.
For the record I'm 43.
I lived through the Maggie years. I served during the Falklands war. I paid interest at 15% on my mortgage and lost 11,000 pounds on the value of my house due to bad Tory management. How have these things affected you?

Bring back the Iron Lady!

"There is no such thing as society!" - Margaret Thatcher

We could spend the money on both. All we need is a few more tiers on the tax rates. Ah, 95% at the top again I say.

your proposal flys in the face of personal insentive it seems more like a punitive tax then anything else. You would stifle private enterprize and generlly mess up Britains economy. I don't think it would be in Britain's best interest.

Bring back the Iron Lady!

"There is no such thing as society!" - Margaret Thatcher

only families and individuels

*sheds a tear*

I'm going now I may be some time.

What about the Tories' ad campaigns. It seems as though they are using purely negative ads attacking the other candidates. Many of them have just been for name-calling.

Wait. Sorry. You're a teacher right?
It's rude I know but could you tell us your age please.
For the record I'm 43.
I lived through the Maggie years. I served during the Falklands war. I paid interest at 15% on my mortgage and lost 11,000 pounds on the value of my house due to bad Tory management. How have these things affected you?
:
Originally Posted by AlanBstard
good for you, I suppose you were helped by the fact Labour and Libdems want to abolish grammer schools eh!



Now Grammer Schools. Another good one.
I was deemed too stupid to go to grammer school at age 11.
I went to a sink school and struggled to get 3 o levels because the teaching was so bad and half the kids didn't want to learn.
OK you may say I'm stupid so thats fine but it doesn't explain my Bsc in computer science which I got through the Open University.
Which I completed whilst holding down a full time job and which I paid every penny for myself.
My conclusion, for the vast majority grammer schools are EVIL.

Oh and my wife is a staff nurse (deputy ward manager) and her pay is still shit. She can get more working for Woolworths but has too much moral fibre to do it.
And you sums are too simple to work. Money that goes to private hospitals does not go to NHS hospitals thus impovishing them even more.

And I like the euro. It makes busines with europe cheaper.


There I've put them together to make it easier for you to answer. Aren't I nice!

your proposal flys in the face of personal insentive it seems more like a punitive tax then anything else. You would stifle private enterprize and generlly mess up Britains economy. I don't think it would be in Britain's best interest.

Seeing as I await the day when the world is a giant communist state, I'm not going to lose any sleep over stifling private enterprise to encourage public enterprise. I'd love to stay and argue wih you, but I can't.

I'm a tory too so take a pop at me.

I'm not a Tory, so huzzah! :D

I'm a tory too so take a pop at me.
No "popping" but I'd be greatful if you can answer my questions to AB posted together (badly up at post 38)

Schools (grammer) and the NHS are my areas of concern as well as those years from about 1979 to 1989 when I didn't like what the tories got up to.

my family has always been Tory however, i grew up through the 1980's a relaised how individualism just leads to selfish people IMO.

I hated it, the boom o f 1987 made rich people rich and the poor...stayed where they were.

I don't trust the Tories on the idea that they can cut tax and increase spending...doesn't make sense.

Unltimatly i look at the Tory party confrence and just see old people...now i know i shouldn't be against oldness but the problem is the world moves on the enviroment is an issue...something the Tories don't seem to have an opinion on.

On issues like business the Tory line is privatise it all...but I've seen that and it doesn't work...other than make rich people richer (I'm not against rich people...in fact i could be considered to fill that title) the Tory plicy just seems to increase the divide amongst people.

Because of that I'll be voting Lib Dem

As usual on here no-one ever answers the difficult questions.
I can't be bothered with this.
I shall finish with:-
Michael Who?

cutting political comment eh?
Now I'm gone.

The two thing's that worry me most about the Tory plans is their flat rejection that the EU could be good, and their strange silence about universities.
It's almost as if they regard the EU as some sort of oppressive dictatorship aiming to ruin Britain. I think it is more like a local version of the UN.

On education, the tories seem to be suggesting that the main purpose of education is to get a job (hence their vocational education schemes) which cuts out the possibility for any scientific or cultural advanceand I think encourages narrow mindedness.
For the record, I would vote Lib-Dem if I was old enough.

someone, else, go on,
the miners strike
The Falklands,
black wednesday

come on, some body, please..
The tories sleazy reputation,
Cash for Questions,
The Poll Tax
The city riots of the 80's
THATCHER :upyours:
Any more???

Poll tax was in many ways fairer then the previous Rates system e.g. if five people live in a house then they pay less then one person in a larger house even though they make five times the amount of rubbish use the roads five times as much. Poll tax was also unfair it was a failed atempt to change the system so it was changed to council tax. LAbour then increased the amount of council tax. Thatcher herself is blamed for many of the problems of the 80s unfairly. You have to appreiate before Thatcher with the "winter of discontent" the power workers and public service workers were on strike. The dead were not even buried.
Cash for questions was a disgrace I admit but labour has had its fair share of sleaze. LAbour supporter cannot simply dismiss conservative policy on the baisis of on account of somthing the party did twenty or so years ago.

apologies for grammer

Yes it true, I live in a Labour heartland and, if I could, would vote Tory. Its a problem I've discovered when someone asked who would you vote for, I would be better respected if I said
"stuff that I hate politics, on poling day I will be engaged in my favourite hobby, eating kittens"
If I was a communist people think, aah he's taken an interest in politics, but no they think, oooh what greasy little tick. WHY!

I'm sure all you left wingers will says its perfectly justifiable so here is this post. Take a pop at the Tories and I'll try to err, put your mind at ease. Blaze away.


Good on you. I am a Tory too.

1)

3) Under the troies the irish stopped blowing up shopping centres, what more do you want?

and started on hotels, motorway bridges and didnt stop til Labour came to power - I didnt see the tories in any moves towards a peace process

and the poll tax was a bad joke - it came in when I was 18 and I had to pay the same amount on an income of 6k per year as an apprentice as my mother who was a top level civil servant on 35k a year - how was that fair?

I remember friends houses being repossessed due to spiralling morgage interest rates thanks to Tory economic policy - will they wrest control of interest rates back from the Bank of England so they can manipulate them once again for votes?

let us also not forget that student fee's were created by the tories just before they left power and Labour had to continue it - I am sure they wont abolish them

also who can forget the Belgrano being sunk during the falklands as it was sailing AWAY from the Islands and wasnt even in the exclusion zone - thanks for that gem Mrs Thatcher I still howl with laughter each time I see that clip of her getting her knickers in a twist in an interview when a member of the public actually tried to get a straight answer out of her

please also take a moment to remember it was the tories who were involved in the first Iraq war - a war that if it had been done properly would mean we wouldnt have the current Iraq situation

and who here can remember the unemployment situation back then? with companies going bust left, right and centre and millions unemployed? are we to see a return to this?

we also have the tory idea of 'right to buy' to thank for the appalling lack of social housing for those who really need it - what are the tories proposing to do about that?

please also answer me this - if the tory party are so immigration friendly why are there HUGE billboard posters in my constituency crtitcising the current immigration 'crisis'?

and last and not least who can remember Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher? ;)

I will never vote Tory as their values are extremely contrary to my own, I am also not too enamored of the current Labour Party but they will never be as bad as the Tories

Yes it true, I live in a Labour heartland and, if I could, would vote Tory. Its a problem I've discovered when someone asked who would you vote for, I would be better respected if I said
"stuff that I hate politics, on poling day I will be engaged in my favourite hobby, eating kittens"
If I was a communist people think, aah he's taken an interest in politics, but no they think, oooh what greasy little tick. WHY!

I'm sure all you left wingers will says its perfectly justifiable so here is this post. Take a pop at the Tories and I'll try to err, put your mind at ease. Blaze away.

I am still having trouble believing you are a real live Tory. I pretty much figured you guys were an endangered species. Every limey I meet over here is Labour Labour Labour Labour Labour. . . it is damn monotonous. Interesting to finally hear the other side of things from the UK.

and started on hotels, motorway bridges and didnt stop til Labour came to power - I didnt see the tories in any moves towards a peace process

and the poll tax was a bad joke - it came in when I was 18 and I had to pay the same amount on an income of 6k per year as an apprentice as my mother who was a top level civil servant on 35k a year - how was that fair?

I remember friends houses being repossessed due to spiralling morgage interest rates thanks to Tory economic policy - will they wrest control of interest rates back from the Bank of England so they can manipulate them once again for votes?

let us also not forget that student fee's were created by the tories just before they left power and Labour had to continue it - I am sure they wont abolish them

also who can forget the Belgrano being sunk during the falklands as it was sailing AWAY from the Islands and wasnt even in the exclusion zone - thanks for that gem Mrs Thatcher I still howl with laughter each time I see that clip of her getting her knickers in a twist in an interview when a member of the public actually tried to get a straight answer out of her

please also take a moment to remember it was the tories who were involved in the first Iraq war - a war that if it had been done properly would mean we wouldnt have the current Iraq situation

and who here can remember the unemployment situation back then? with companies going bust left, right and centre and millions unemployed? are we to see a return to this?

we also have the tory idea of 'right to buy' to thank for the appalling lack of social housing for those who really need it - what are the tories proposing to do about that?

please also answer me this - if the tory party are so immigration friendly why are there HUGE billboard posters in my constituency crtitcising the current immigration 'crisis'?

and last and not least who can remember Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher? ;)

I will never vote Tory as their values are extremely contrary to my own, I am also not too enamored of the current Labour Party but they will never be as bad as the Tories

THetories were in power for 18 years thats along time during a difficut time in Britain's history so bad things did happen. Bad things happened in labour's previous terms and the wall street crash was about when the liberals were last in power. Personally I look at what the Tories will do now, not what they did twenty or more years ago. You might as well write of labour for failing to delver its promises in the second Attlee government.

Go AlanBstard! I'm in a swing London constituency, and voting Tory tomorrow!

Yes it true, I live in a Labour heartland and, if I could, would vote Tory. Its a problem I've discovered when someone asked who would you vote for, I would be better respected if I said
"stuff that I hate politics, on poling day I will be engaged in my favourite hobby, eating kittens"
If I was a communist people think, aah he's taken an interest in politics, but no they think, oooh what greasy little tick. WHY!

I'm sure all you left wingers will says its perfectly justifiable so here is this post. Take a pop at the Tories and I'll try to err, put your mind at ease. Blaze away.

if your asking why people have that reaction, I just don't know. Most left wingers view right-wingers with vitriol, professing hatred, whereas right-wingers tend to view left wingers as "stupid", professing ridicule. These two views do have a tendancy to fuel each other.

The tories sleazy reputation,
Cash for Questions,
The Poll Tax
The city riots of the 80's
THATCHER :upyours:
Any more???
boom & bust economic policy
destroying public services
botched (& unnecessary) privatisations
20%+ inflation
thatcher, again :mad:
rising inequality of income

who has more?


lets not let that happen ever again

I like the way you're ignoring Eternal Green Rains' questions. If you're seriously under 18 then there isn't much point in the debate.

Also I find it funny that you encouraged people to argue about the past Tory decisions, and when someone made a good post about past-Tories you said that you like to concentrate on the present.

I like the way you're ignoring Eternal Green Rains' questions. If you're seriously under 18 then there isn't much point in the debate.

Also I find it funny that you encouraged people to argue about the past Tory decisions, and when someone made a good post about past-Tories you said that you like to concentrate on the present.

Your right but if I didn't say that then no one would post. I believe that I did answer green rain's questions which were mainly about health, the answers are earlier in the thread. What I object to is being asked the same questions again and again, in fact not even questions just statements. I do take your point I intended to discuss the conservatives in general and should have made this clear in the thread about the beginning.

Okay I will try to explain.

and the poll tax was a bad joke - it came in when I was 18 and I had to pay the same amount on an income of 6k per year as an apprentice as my mother who was a top level civil servant on 35k a year - how was that fair?

It was fair becuse you "cost" the same amount as your mother does. In the previous "rates" system you paid according to how much your house is worth, that is unfair in the way that many proffessional people in one house pay the same as an old lady in her ex-family home. Poll-tax was unpopular so it was replace by council tax which is similar to the old system.

I remember friends houses being repossessed due to spiralling morgage interest rates thanks to Tory economic policy - will they wrest control of interest rates back from the Bank of England so they can manipulate them once again for votes?

simple answer NO. Tories gave the power to the bank of England to stop that happening. We do recognise are mistakes.

let us also not forget that student fee's were created by the tories just before they left power and Labour had to continue it - I am sure they wont abolish them.

Yes they were, universities needed money and at the time that was the best solution available. Now alternative solutions, by both oppersition parties but LAbour is too arrogant to accept either of them.

also who can forget the Belgrano being sunk during the falklands as it was sailing AWAY from the Islands and wasnt even in the exclusion zone -

It was a ship of war manned by a navy attacking British territory. Its perpose was to kill, probably kill British Servicemen, they weren't boy scouts you know.

please also take a moment to remember it was the tories who were involved in the first Iraq war - a war that if it had been done properly would mean we wouldnt have the current Iraq situation

Blame George Bush for that. British is not (at the present) an independant military power, think the suez crisis.

and who here can remember the unemployment situation back then? with companies going bust left, right and centre and millions unemployed? are we to see a return to this?

That was the birth pangs of globalisation and industry moving into the third world, it happend all other europe.

we also have the tory idea of 'right to buy' to thank for the appalling lack of social housing for those who really need it - what are the tories proposing to do about that?

I disagree that the right to buy caused these problems and I personally don't know the answer, I sugguest you ask your local conservative candidate.

please also answer me this - if the tory party are so immigration friendly why are there HUGE billboard posters in my constituency crtitcising the current immigration 'crisis'?

Good question, the conservative are pro-immigration but as I havee already stated population growth of any kind puts a strain on housing and public severices that way it is vaital that economic migrants cannot enter the country at a rate they cannot be accepted, its not fair on anybody.

and last and not least who can remember Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher?

Well lol, all I can say that its discrimination against vegan, that there tax is spent on abusing animals...or somthing

boom & bust economic policy
destroying public services
botched (& unnecessary) privatisations
20%+ inflation
thatcher, again :mad:
rising inequality of income



all of these were problems I admit but they were all solved during the major government NOT by Labour

5 more years of TB. Oh well there's always next elction......